Clay says...<quoted text>
Preston, you're not allowed to determine if Saban is saved or not.
Even under the criteria set forth by the born again movement, Saban would be covered, because in his heart he chose to be baptized. He chose Christ by going to the Baptismal fountain. The initial act of choosing Jesus Christ; or choosing to be baptized came before the water was poured...it couldn't be any other way unless his uncle tackled him and forced water upon him.
His heart sought and accepted Christ when he initially decided to be baptized.
Catholics are different, our parents bring us to Jesus. And their faith and commitment initiates us into Christianity like the Jews at circumcision. Are we automatically saved at 3 months? Of course not. Nobody is automatically saved as long as you have free will. You can lose your salvation anytime you want.
....Preston, you're not allowed to determine if Saban is saved or not.
Michael says......WHY? You Clay, have already condemned the rest of us to HELL!