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7th Day Catholic Rocks

Poplar Bluff, MO

#421821 Feb 11, 2013
Tony17 wrote:
<quoted text> But where there is no law then there is no sin. We are given the definition of what sin is in Gods word and the definition says that sin is the transgression of Gods law and where there is no law ,then there is no sin. So according to your quote of James 4:17 then should wecall thisoneof those contradictions that some say the Bible is full of?
Yes there was Gods Law because the children of israel had been in egypt for 400 years God had to make it known to them.

The consequences of sin his death. God til Adam and eve in the day you eat of the tree of knowledge you will surely die. At that point in time Gods law was made known to Adam and Eve.

(James 1:15 KJV) Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

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#421822 Feb 11, 2013
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Tony17 wrote:
<quoted text> We'll just say that it's just yet another one of those seemingly mis-understood contradictions that is written in scripture.By the way Adam and Eve DID NOT bring sin into the world....Satan did.
I can only show you the truth from God's Word...you have a God given right to reject His teaching....

BTW...When Moses killed the Egyptian...he fled into exile for 40 years before God called on him to save His people from slavery...

If he did not know he had done an evil and unrighteous thing....why did he run????
7th Day Catholic Rocks

Poplar Bluff, MO

#421823 Feb 11, 2013
Tony17 wrote:
<quoted text>Then what do we do with Romans4:15?
That is referring to the children of promise by faith we are Abrahams seed.

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#421824 Feb 11, 2013
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Tony17 wrote:
<quoted text>Well I'll say that Adam and Eve had the law not to "touch" the forbidden fruit. When they disobeyed God and touched the forbidden fruit then THEY SINNED for God had given them a law not to touch that fruit so when they touched the fruit they transgressed Gods law which technically is the definition of sin. There is still no evidence that they had been told not to murder.
By the way it wasn't fruit that they ate or touched. What they did had nothing to dowith eating some forbidden produce.
I do not find the words "forbidden fruit" in my Bible...

I do find:
And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:{thou...: Heb. eating thou shalt eat}
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.{thou shalt surely...: Heb. dying thou shalt die}

After they ate of the tree of knowledge...they knew good and evil....they would know that murder is evil....and as parents, they taught their children about good and evil..

evil - definition of evil by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus
www.thefreedictionary.com/evil
evildoing, transgression - the act of transgressing; the violation of a law or a duty or moral principle;
guest

United States

#421825 Feb 11, 2013
Dust Storm wrote:
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All you did is regurgitate your projections. You still have not addressed Steve Rays point or any of mine for that matter. Call no man Rabbi. I dont accept your title of Doctors (teachers) either. Those are man made titles teaching every wave of doctrine. I am sure the Pope believes he is God since you have concluded thus. He couldnt be a humble servant of God as he said. No, that wouldnt fit your portrait. He couldnt be consecrated to God. No Its odd that you have the authority to say who is Christian and who is not, and all is clear. Your personal validation is required thanks for clearing that up. Good night Indeed.
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Dust Storm: "I dont accept your title of Doctors (teachers) either. Those are man made titles teaching every wave of doctrine."
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You have to be kidding. I KNOW you are kidding. When you have to call the hospital and speak with a doctor ... what do you call them? So in your using an argument like this, it means you are losing the argument and are grasping at straws.
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JESUS said ... JESUS HIMSELF SAID ... "Call no man your Father." and for the Pope to say it is OK means that the Pope feels he has the right to OVERTURN the very words of Jesus himself.
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That doesn't in any way, shape, or form sound like the pope is *humble* to me ... not to mention THIS particular pope's proclivity to cover up the shenanigans of PEDOPHILES!!... that ain't humble Dust Storm ... it's not humble at all.

“YESHUA IS LORD”

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#421826 Feb 11, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
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<quoted text>
I can only show you the truth from God's Word...you have a God given right to reject His teaching....
BTW...When Moses killed the Egyptian...he fled into exile for 40 years before God called on him to save His people from slavery...
If he did not know he had done an evil and unrighteous thing....why did he run????
LOL,Moses wasn't running from God,Moses was running from Pharoah,LOL. Moses didn't know God when he slew that Egyptian NOR DID HE KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT GODS LAW.
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United States

#421827 Feb 11, 2013
Tony17 wrote:
<quoted text> We'll just say that it's just yet another one of those seemingly mis-understood contradictions that is written in scripture.By the way Adam and Eve DID NOT bring sin into the world....Satan did.
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NO.
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Satan did not bring evil into the world. Satan WAS evil.
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By disobeying God, Adam and Eve brought sin into the world, because they 'chose' to obey Satan.
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Had they rejected Satan's advances,*sin* would not have *entered* the world.

“YESHUA IS LORD”

Since: Apr 07

GAWGIA (GEORGIA)

#421828 Feb 11, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
819
<quoted text>
I do not find the words "forbidden fruit" in my Bible...
I do find:
And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:{thou...: Heb. eating thou shalt eat}
Yet Most Christians say that they ate the "forbidden fruit" and many even say it was an apple,LOL,yet scripture says nothing of the kind about an apple or any other kind of fruit. As I stated, there is much confusion in Christianity.If I toldyou what really happened in the Garden of Eden it would cause you to stumble.

Many even believe that when Christ was born in Bethlehemthat the wisemen followed a star to find him yet that is physically impossible for if you try to follow a star you will be going in a circle basically because of the earth moving.
7th Day Catholic Rocks

Poplar Bluff, MO

#421829 Feb 11, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
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What does that have to do with the price of eggs in China!!!!????
Maybe you should make a trip to China and find out. Check on the price of rice whie your there to will ya.

“YESHUA IS LORD”

Since: Apr 07

GAWGIA (GEORGIA)

#421830 Feb 11, 2013
guest wrote:
<quoted text>
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NO.
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Satan did not bring evil into the world. Satan WAS evil.
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By disobeying God, Adam and Eve brought sin into the world, because they 'chose' to obey Satan.
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Had they rejected Satan's advances,*sin* would not have *entered* the world.
Then what you are basically saying is that God created Lucifer in sin. Sorry but Satan was not created as a sinful being,he became that way. Have you not read Ezekiel 28 along with other scriptures? Pride caused Lucifer to sin.
7th Day Catholic Rocks

Poplar Bluff, MO

#421831 Feb 11, 2013
Tony17 wrote:
<quoted text>Yet Most Christians say that they ate the "forbidden fruit" and many even say it was an apple,LOL,yet scripture says nothing of the kind about an apple or any other kind of fruit. As I stated, there is much confusion in Christianity.If I toldyou what really happened in the Garden of Eden it would cause you to stumble.
Many even believe that when Christ was born in Bethlehemthat the wisemen followed a star to find him yet that is physically impossible for if you try to follow a star you will be going in a circle basically because of the earth moving.
Read up on the fruits of the spirit/Holy Spirit then you might have a good idea what kind of fruits Satan had instore for them.

“YESHUA IS LORD”

Since: Apr 07

GAWGIA (GEORGIA)

#421832 Feb 11, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
819
<quoted text>
I do not find the words "forbidden fruit" in my Bible...
I do find:
And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:{thou...: Heb. eating thou shalt eat}
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.{thou shalt surely...: Heb. dying thou shalt die}
After they ate of the tree of knowledge...they knew good and evil....they would know that murder is evil....and as parents, they taught their children about good and evil..
evil - definition of evil by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus
www.thefreedictionary.com/evil
evildoing, transgression - the act of transgressing; the violation of a law or a duty or moral principle;
Oh they had the law not to eat of the tree of good and evil but where is the evidence that God them the law not to murder?

There is no evidence that He gave them that law against murder at that time and to say that He did then you are doing what the RCC is accused of doing and that is taking liberties with Gods word that they should not take.

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#421833 Feb 11, 2013
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Tony17 wrote:
<quoted text>LOL,Moses wasn't running from God,Moses was running from Pharoah,LOL. Moses didn't know God when he slew that Egyptian NOR DID HE KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT GODS LAW.
Moses and every sane person born knows good/evil, because of Adam/Eve eating of the tree of knowledge, unless they are mentally incapable of knowing...
guest

United States

#421834 Feb 11, 2013
Tony17 wrote:
<quoted text>Then what you are basically saying is that God created Lucifer in sin. Sorry but Satan was not created as a sinful being,he became that way. Have you not read Ezekiel 28 along with other scriptures? Pride caused Lucifer to sin.
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I didn't say God created Satan as an evil creature.
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GREED caused him to sin, lusting after the Most High Position in the Heavens. He wanted what was rightfully God's - that being: God's Sovereign Right to Rule over His Creation. When Satan realized he could not have it, he got prideful. Greed came first.

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#421835 Feb 11, 2013
828
Tony17 wrote:
<quoted text>Yet Most Christians say that they ate the "forbidden fruit" and many even say it was an apple,LOL,yet scripture says nothing of the kind about an apple or any other kind of fruit. As I stated, there is much confusion in Christianity.If I toldyou what really happened in the Garden of Eden it would cause you to stumble.
Many even believe that when Christ was born in Bethlehemthat the wisemen followed a star to find him yet that is physically impossible for if you try to follow a star you will be going in a circle basically because of the earth moving.
So now you know you put your foot in your mouth....

“YESHUA IS LORD”

Since: Apr 07

GAWGIA (GEORGIA)

#421836 Feb 11, 2013
7th Day Catholic Rocks wrote:
<quoted text>Read up on the fruits of the spirit/Holy Spirit then you might have a good idea what kind of fruits Satan had instore for them.
Having been a Bible student for about 45 years I am quite familiar with The fruit of the Spirit. But what Satan intended was much worse than what most Christians realized for had he succeeded he would have averted his own doom for God would have failed in what He intended. But by the grace of God Satan failed. He attempted to thwart God again in Genesis 6 and again in other places in scriptures where he attempted to destroy that seedline/bloodline through whom the SAVIOUR was to come.

It was necessary that he fail until the Christ child was born. There were several attempts on the Nation by Satan trying to thwart his own doom. And mistaken Christian have taken one of the most dire attempts on the seedline of the nation and reduced it to the myth that Adam and Eve ate some forbidden produce in Eden.
7th Day Catholic Rocks

Poplar Bluff, MO

#421837 Feb 11, 2013
Genesis 3

Temptation and Fall

1Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, has God said, you shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

2And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:

3But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God has said, You shall not eat of it, neither shall you touch it, lest you die.

4And the serpent said unto the woman, You shall not surely die:

5For God does know that in the day you eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and you shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

6And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

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#421838 Feb 11, 2013
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Tony17 wrote:
<quoted text>Oh they had the law not to eat of the tree of good and evil but where is the evidence that God them the law not to murder?
There is no evidence that He gave them that law against murder at that time and to say that He did then you are doing what the RCC is accused of doing and that is taking liberties with Gods word that they should not take.
As I said earlier...you have the God given right to reject His teaching...

After they ate of the tree of knowledge...they knew good and evil....they would know that murder is evil....and as parents, they taught their children about good and evil..
evil - definition of evil by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus
www.thefreedictionary.com/evil
evildoing, transgression - the act of transgressing; the violation of a law or a duty or moral principle;

“YESHUA IS LORD”

Since: Apr 07

GAWGIA (GEORGIA)

#421839 Feb 11, 2013
guest wrote:
<quoted text>
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I didn't say God created Satan as an evil creature.
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GREED caused him to sin, lusting after the Most High Position in the Heavens. He wanted what was rightfully God's - that being: God's Sovereign Right to Rule over His Creation. When Satan realized he could not have it, he got prideful. Greed came first.
Then are you not erroneous in saying that Adam and Eve brought sin into the world instead of Satan? Do you think Adam and Eve would have disobeyed God and touched the tree had Satan not tempted/persuaded them to disobey God? Think about it.

“YESHUA IS LORD”

Since: Apr 07

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#421840 Feb 12, 2013
7th Day Catholic Rocks wrote:
Genesis 3
Temptation and Fall
1Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, has God said, you shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
2And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
3But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God has said, You shall not eat of it, neither shall you touch it, lest you die.
4And the serpent said unto the woman, You shall not surely die:
5For God does know that in the day you eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and you shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
6And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
Onemust understand when reading scripture that they are full of metaphors,idioms,figures of speech,Hebraisms,symbolism etc,etc, etc. One of the biggest mistakesaBible studentcan make when reading scriptures is to take everyting written literally.

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