Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ. Full Story

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#421791 Feb 11, 2013
Saban fan wrote:
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I'm being asked to leave? You just answered my questions for me...
If you can see words in the following that says you are being asked to leave, that will explain why you don't understand squat about anything!!!!

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I ignored them because they are not on this thread...if you want to...start a new thread...will be most happy to discuss your questions...
Pad

Rockford, IL

#421792 Feb 11, 2013
Dust Storm wrote:
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Jn 8:56 Your Father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad."
Jesus called Abraham Father. Too bad you werent there to correct him. You ignored the biblical texts given and ignore what Jesus was saying. Your only source is your personal opinion of that which you choose to believe.
That is a big difference from calling a man Holy Father,or Pontificus Maximus.Holy Pontiff,and whatever title of a supreme nature.God the Father is our only Source,and no man on this planet can take the place of J E S U S who alone stands as the Redeemer,and Intercessor to the Father.I don't have to correct Jesus,and never have I ever felt that I dsagreed with Him.

He did not call Peter any of the titles the RCC gives the Pope,Peter was an Apostle,which as you know means Shepherd.

The Bible is clear on the relationship Jesus had with His disciples,and especially Peter.So there is nothing that even relates to the Pontifical Office of the Papacy in that relationship Jesus had with Peter and the other Apostles.He said they would be lambs amongst wolves,they would be hated as He was hated.

Abraham was the father of the Hebrew Nation,and Jesus declares His own relationship to that as a Jew.Sorry Dust Storm your reasoning falls short,because frankly you have bought into the idea that man's tradition comes first than the Word of God comes second,oh because Jesus didn't tell us to write a book,or that He did nto establish a book but a church.

The Jews had the Torah,and the Prophets,and the Psalms,and the Lord Jesus made it quite obvious through the Holy Spirit that we should have the Gospels,the Epistles and the book of Revelation along with the OLD Covenant of the Torah,Prophets and the Psalms. I think God is telling us somethin,and it is in His W o r d.

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#421793 Feb 11, 2013
Don't any Catholics read their pope approved NABre Bible...

Here is what it says about the word "church"...

There are several possibilities for an Aramaic original. Jesus’ church means the community that he will gather and that, like a building, will have Peter as its solid foundation. That function of Peter consists in his being witness to Jesus as the Messiah, the Son of the living God.

Does anyone see this saying one thing about any Christianity denomination????!!!!!

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#421794 Feb 11, 2013
And....evidently no Catholics study their Encyclopedia!!!!

Here is what it says about "church"...

The term church (Anglo-Saxon, cirice, circe; Modern German, Kirche; Swedish, Kyrka) is the name employed in the Teutonic languages to render the Greek ekklesia (ecclesia), the term by which the New Testament writers denote the society founded by Our Lord Jesus Christ.

Does anybody see this talking about any Christian denomination????!!!!
Dust Storm

Pennock, MN

#421795 Feb 11, 2013
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>Great place for you tony,you can expound all you want,the non-Catholics who raise any type of questions and respond with any intelligence are thrown off as quickly as they joined.You will be preaching to the choir.
This is Pads way of saying that he was unable to speak with Charity in truth so they threw him off. Your intelligence is very debatable, but you are a huge phony and a deceiver. Honest discussion without projections, theories, slander, unfounded attacks and false teachings and inflammatory spamming full of lies and telling people what they believe as exists in here are your truths. Honest, open, intelligent and respectful disagreements are welcome there.

“YESHUA IS LORD”

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#421796 Feb 11, 2013
Question for any of the advanced Bible students here if there be any. Cain slew Abel but was it a sin?

I think I asked this question once before but no one was able to answer.
guest

United States

#421797 Feb 11, 2013
Dust Storm wrote:
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Jn 8:56 Your Father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad."
Jesus called Abraham Father. Too bad you werent there to correct him. You ignored the biblical texts given and ignore what Jesus was saying. Your only source is your personal opinion of that which you choose to believe.
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Well, Dust storm, taken out of context your Bible quote would seem to make sense.
But as you can see, Jesus was calling Abraham their "father" in a completely different context. He is using the word his accusers used NOT because it was the proper title. His accusers were calling him demon possessed, as well. Jesus honored his Father in the proper way by not seeking glory for himself.

Jesus said, "My Father, whom you claim as your God,..."

Jesus was calling God his Father and letting it be known that these phonies were (falsely) claiming that Christ's Father was their God.

Jesus said, "If I said I did not, I would be a liar like you," ...Dust Storm ... he was calling these men who called Abraham their farther LIARS.

So .. If Jesus was calling them LIARS then doesn't that make them calling Abraham their (spiritual) Father a moot point?
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And THIS is the point for Catholics. Don't take scripture out of context and you will be more able to learn the TRUTH.
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http://niv.scripturetext.com/john/8.htm
The Claims of Jesus About Himself

48 The Jews answered him,“Aren’t we right in saying that you are a Samaritan and demon-possessed?”

49 “I am not possessed by a demon,” said Jesus,“but I honor my Father and you dishonor me. 50 I am not seeking glory for myself; but there is one who seeks it, and he is the judge. 51 I tell you the truth, if anyone keeps my word, he will never see death.”

52 At this the Jews exclaimed,“Now we know that you are demon-possessed! Abraham died and so did the prophets, yet you say that if anyone keeps your word, he will never taste death. 53 Are you greater than our father Abraham? He died, and so did the prophets. Who do you think you are?”

54 Jesus replied,“If I glorify myself, my glory means nothing. My Father, whom you claim as your God, is the one who glorifies me. 55 Though you do not know him, I know him. If I said I did not, I would be a liar like you, but I do know him and keep his word. 56 Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad.”

57 “You are not yet fifty years old,” the Jews said to him,“and you have seen Abraham!”

58 “I tell you the truth,” Jesus answered,“before Abraham was born, I am!” 59 At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds.
Pad

Rockford, IL

#421798 Feb 11, 2013
Dust Storm wrote:
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Nobody believes the Pope is God. No Pope tells anyone to Worship anyone other than God. Try reading the Creed as I know you are the Catholic and Jewish Expert. lol You making things up that have no basis in fact are not truths. The END
Sorry but the Apostles were Holy men. Ye be Holy For I am holy. Saints are Holy. All are sinners. You didnt address his point. Holy does not mean sinless in context. Your projections do not make it mean what you want it to mean out of malice. Call No man Teacher Doctor Dan. lol. Hallmark would be pretty upset if Fathers Day had to be changed to fit your doctrines. Also Jesus should have said Honor thy Father and they Mother was a mistake that Moses chiseled.:0
The bible tells you all and that is why you people are all over the place each one having more authority than any Pope has ever had as if you are ALL God with your infallible truths.
END, and that is what you want me to do,is to end the discussion and humble myself to the Catholic teaching.That would be fine if the Catholic teaching just left things that concern only our Father in heaven to Him and Him alone.No man is worthy of being envisioned as the only Source of life,man needs life,it is not a matter of holiness Dust Storm,it is a matter of who is the Source of that Holiness.

God does not want us to be equal to Him,but to be conduits of His love and holiness,we are such sinful creatures outside of Him who bought us with the great price of His Son.

Just because someone declares a person such and such,does not give them the right to claim solo validity before God.i don't claim that the RCC and the Pope claim that.You claim it in your posts in defence to proclaim your church is the only one.YET at the same time God is doing of His good purpose throughout all of Christianity.You would mock any minister or leader of the denominations who called themselves the Holy Father.

Oh we are suppose to accept that title for the Pope because your church claims it was started at Pentecost?Which it was not,how obvious is that?

It is a matter of conscience as well.How can we as believers call your Pope the Holy Father,when we read in Scripture that God our Father is the only Holy Father? It is only our faith and duty as believers to challenge something so important as to what your Pope is called on a daily basis,and that by your own words have declared that we basically are invalid because we do not accept those teachings,and those titles given to your Pope by men,not God.Good Night!
Dust Storm

Pennock, MN

#421799 Feb 11, 2013
7th Day Catholic Rocks wrote:
<quoted text>Great Grandfather like 28 generations back or something along that count and yes they referred to the Grandfather or uncle simply as Father.
One is not t call a rabbi or minister father however.
Did you read the article Father Dye posted and the arguments given a billion times on this thread? You say that, but that is not the point Jesus was making and that is not how it was understood. Jesus was not contradicting himself. He was making a point! Something not many of you ever get or do.

Now if you read the article and want to point to the flaw and give us your infallible opinions from the Protestant gallery of endless infallible opinions then do so. I have to go to sleep and I have a big day tomorrow. Regardless, if he or other Catholics wish to waste there time with you then by all means have at it. However just once it would be nice to see if you people are even capable of responding to the argument with something that pertains to the argument given rather than just giving your infallible opinion as the gospel truth according to you.
marge

Ames, IA

#421800 Feb 11, 2013
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>Stephen Ray is not the final word on this one Dust Storm.I venture to say that one day when God judges all things,the RCC will have to answer for giving such a title to a man,especially when in the line of Popes,there were men bearing that title and bringing open and secret shame to the whole body of Christ.
Being obstinate about giving a title to a man,does not put the fear of God into me,nor should it have given that Phillipino cause to back down.Stephen Ray had the last word there in such a gathering,but he will stand before the GOD who SEES and give account to the false teaching he gave to 2000 plus people.
Holy Father is given to the One and Only Holy Father,GOD who is omnipotent,and omnipresent.We do not need a world leader who is called Holy Father,as though he were the only intercessor between God and Man.That is another way to look at such a title.Vicar of Christ,the Middle man as it were between the Living God and man on earth.The Father,Christ His Son,and the Holy Spirit are more than capable of running the Church themselves.we all are wanting when we assume that mere men should be given the opportunity to be the Middle man with lofty titles,that will be a judgment in the end!
YEP!
7th Day Catholic Rocks

Poplar Bluff, MO

#421801 Feb 11, 2013
Tony17 wrote:
Question for any of the advanced Bible students here if there be any. Cain slew Abel but was it a sin?
I think I asked this question once before but no one was able to answer.
Of course it was he had knowledge of Good and Evil and already new of death through animal sacrifice seeing Adam and Eve had coats of skin etc.

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#421802 Feb 11, 2013
Catholics deny the truth until they are blue in the face even when it is staring them full in the face!!!!

They are changing Scripture to support their erroneous belief that Christ built a Church...namely, the RCC...which is a denomination!!!!!!!!

They are removing the word church, which is used in Scripture, which is a common noun, and replacing it with a proper noun..Church.....

If that is not sacrilegious, I don't know what is....
guest

United States

#421803 Feb 11, 2013
7th Day Catholic Rocks wrote:
Great Grandfather like 28 generations back or something along that count and yes they referred to the Grandfather or uncle simply as Father.
One is not t call a rabbi or minister father however.
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Dust Storm wrote:
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Did you read the article Father Dye posted and the arguments given a billion times on this thread? You say that, but that is not the point Jesus was making and that is not how it was understood. Jesus was not contradicting himself. He was making a point! Something not many of you ever get or do.
Now if you read the article and want to point to the flaw and give us your infallible opinions from the Protestant gallery of endless infallible opinions then do so. I have to go to sleep and I have a big day tomorrow. Regardless, if he or other Catholics wish to waste there time with you then by all means have at it. However just once it would be nice to see if you people are even capable of responding to the argument with something that pertains to the argument given rather than just giving your infallible opinion as the gospel truth according to you.
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**and the arguments given a BILLION times on this thread?**
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the old saying goes: If you repeat a lie enough people will begin to believe it.
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the corollary should read: No matter how many times you repeat a lie, the person who knows the truth will never believe it.
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We KNOW the *truth* and we believe it: JESUS SAID, "CALL NO MAN YOUR FATHER."
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We don't have to believe the lie, even if you tell us a billion and one times.
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That is the TRUTH and the POPE doesn't have the right to call Jesus a LIAR and overturn what Jesus told us!
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Why can you not understand that?

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#421804 Feb 11, 2013
Tony17 wrote:
Question for any of the advanced Bible students here if there be any. Cain slew Abel but was it a sin?
I think I asked this question once before but no one was able to answer.
slew: to smite with deadly intent:--destroy, out of hand, kill, murder(-er), put to (death), make (slaughter), slay(-er), X surely.

He had intent..he put him to death...that is murder...

One of God's Commandment: Thou shalt do no murder.

Sin: Any thought, word, desire, action, or omission of action, contrary to the law of God, or defective when compared with it.

If that does not answer your question...I don't know what else I can say....
guest

United States

#421805 Feb 11, 2013
Tony17 wrote:
Question for any of the advanced Bible students here if there be any. Cain slew Abel but was it a sin?
I think I asked this question once before but no one was able to answer.
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Murder is a sin.

Cain murdered Abel.

Of course it was a sin.
Dust Storm

Pennock, MN

#421806 Feb 11, 2013
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>END, and that is what you want me to do,is to end the discussion and humble myself to the Catholic teaching.That would be fine if the Catholic teaching just left things that concern only our Father in heaven to Him and Him alone.No man is worthy of being envisioned as the only Source of life,man needs life,it is not a matter of holiness Dust Storm,it is a matter of who is the Source of that Holiness.
God does not want us to be equal to Him,but to be conduits of His love and holiness,we are such sinful creatures outside of Him who bought us with the great price of His Son.
Just because someone declares a person such and such,does not give them the right to claim solo validity before God.i don't claim that the RCC and the Pope claim that.You claim it in your posts in defence to proclaim your church is the only one.YET at the same time God is doing of His good purpose throughout all of Christianity.You would mock any minister or leader of the denominations who called themselves the Holy Father.
Oh we are suppose to accept that title for the Pope because your church claims it was started at Pentecost?Which it was not,how obvious is that?
It is a matter of conscience as well.How can we as believers call your Pope the Holy Father,when we read in Scripture that God our Father is the only Holy Father? It is only our faith and duty as believers to challenge something so important as to what your Pope is called on a daily basis,and that by your own words have declared that we basically are invalid because we do not accept those teachings,and those titles given to your Pope by men,not God.Good Night!
All you did is regurgitate your projections. You still have not addressed Steve Rays point or any of mine for that matter. Call no man Rabbi. I dont accept your title of Doctors (teachers) either. Those are man made titles teaching every wave of doctrine. I am sure the Pope believes he is God since you have concluded thus. He couldnt be a humble servant of God as he said. No, that wouldnt fit your portrait. He couldnt be consecrated to God. No Its odd that you have the authority to say who is Christian and who is not, and all is clear. Your personal validation is required thanks for clearing that up. Good night Indeed.
7th Day Catholic Rocks

Poplar Bluff, MO

#421807 Feb 11, 2013
Tony17 wrote:
Question for any of the advanced Bible students here if there be any. Cain slew Abel but was it a sin?
I think I asked this question once before but no one was able to answer.
James 4:17 Anyone, then, who knows the good he ought to do and doesn't do it, sins.

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#421808 Feb 11, 2013
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7th Day Catholic Rocks wrote:
<quoted text>James 4:17 Anyone, then, who knows the good he ought to do and doesn't do it, sins.
What does that have to do with the price of eggs in China!!!!????

“YESHUA IS LORD”

Since: Apr 07

GAWGIA (GEORGIA)

#421809 Feb 11, 2013
7th Day Catholic Rocks wrote:
<quoted text>Of course it was he had knowledge of Good and Evil and already new of death through animal sacrifice seeing Adam and Eve had coats of skin etc.
Hmmm.However scripture tellsus that sinis the transgression of Gods lawand that where there is no law then there is no sin. There is no scriptural evidence that God had given them a law against killing another person at that time and since there was no law against murder,then did Cain sin when he slew Abel? I like to make people think when they study the scriptures and that question definitely makes one think.

“YESHUA IS LORD”

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#421810 Feb 11, 2013
7th Day Catholic Rocks wrote:
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James 4:17 Anyone, then, who knows the good he ought to do and doesn't do it, sins.
But where there is no law then there is no sin. We are given the definition of what sin is in Gods word and the definition says that sin is the transgression of Gods law and where there is no law ,then there is no sin. So according to your quote of James 4:17 then should wecall thisoneof those contradictions that some say the Bible is full of?

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