I hear a black pope said he aint gonna wear that hat cause it looks too much like a kkk hat.<quoted text>
Where did the cool uniforms come from?
I must say, you guys rock in the style department!!!! Sometimes I find myself expecting Darth Vader to show up at these fancy and important Catholic get togethers. He'd fit right in.
Can this pope keep his cool hat after he retires?
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#421764 Feb 11, 2013
#421765 Feb 11, 2013
I don't care who you are that's got to be funny!!
“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”
Since: Jun 10
"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"
#421766 Feb 11, 2013
God forbids the Necromancer and the practice of witchcraft...which the Roman Catholics practice in consulting the dead...
Deu 18:10 There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch,
Deu 18:11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a ==>necromancer <===
-->Necromancer <-- defined in Hebrew as used in Deu 18:11
A primitive root; properly to tread or frequent; usually to follow (for pursuit or search); by implication to seek or ask; specifically to worship:- ask, X at all, care for, X diligently, inquire, make inquisition,[necro-] mancer, question, require, search, seek [for, out], X surely.
#421767 Feb 11, 2013
Rather than type all the arguuments and counter-arguments, here is a quick link for you.
Once you have taken a look, any question you may still have, or ANY POINT YOU WISH TO DISPUTE (assuming good faith, of course, which you have to admit is generosity on my part) would be most welcome.
The quickest answer in my own words would be that we are not to attribute to ANYONE what we should attribute to God alone.
I have once been called "God," and once "Jesus." Both times, I had a visceral reaction, and made pains to explain to the children who were confused that God is in Heaven, and I am NOT Him.
There ARE those who have taken for themselves what belongs to God. Sun Yung Moon was one, and Jim Jones was another. I am sure they are not unique examples.
I don't really care what people call me. Most adults I encourage to call me by my first name.((My exception to this is in the jail, where I insist on a ritle of respect, because it does not serve the inmates to continue to fail to recognize authority. They need to recognize it, and quickly, or they will have some serious peoblems relatingto the D.O.'s.) My experience with most of my brother priests is the same. It's not a point of Catholic doctrine ... I don't believe it appears ANYWHERE in the CCC, but rather, a title of affection and respect that has grown amongs the people abd their pastors, much like the relationship of Paul and Timothy.
Anti-Catholics seeem to feel they have found the pot of gold in this one. My response is that, if it were essential to the Catholic faith, they WOULD have the pot if gold they so deperately desire.
But if every Catholic stopped using e title "father" tomorrow, the faith of the Church and its Teaching would be completely unaffected.
I consider a difference that makes no diference to be no difference.
#421768 Feb 11, 2013
An interesting question.
We have never ad a retired pope in the age of modern papal vestments.
I know a retired bishop retains his mitre (you would call it his pointy hat), but I do not think a retired bishop carriesva crozier ( Sheperd-staff.)
.(I am going to have to look this up.)
It could be that he will continue with a white zucgetto (sp?) after retirement, or go to the red one worn by cardinals ( as he still is, technically,,), o adopt a color that signifies he retirement.(Grey?)
It'll all be very interesting.
#421769 Feb 11, 2013
You should take the priest's advice Clay,because you have been on here a long time,and you must be exhausted.Actually I think you are the more sincere of Catholics on this thread.
The reason why I have stayed on this thread is because all of the posters here are trying hard to offend each other.To disagree with a person is one thing,but the fanfare of remarks and insinuations does close the door on any possible understanding that could be made.
Saban Fan seems genuine to me,and your dialogue with that person could eventually give some understanding as to how your organization truly operates.He or she perhaps is wondering whether there is some truth or validity in Roman Catholicism,no hostility is in his postings(her?).
I am personally trying to remain open-minded,yes I come on strong at times,it is an observation of both seeing history and the present in a small lens.
#421770 Feb 11, 2013
#421771 Feb 11, 2013
I will read this link. I do appreciate your answer and respect your opinion.
This "difference" seems to be fulfilling a prophesy. That in and of itself to me seems to be a *big difference* because it was important enough to be mentioned as a warning in the inspired scriptures.
I'm headed to the link now.
“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”
Since: Jun 10
"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"
#421772 Feb 11, 2013
The Word of God calls for a Change of Heart...
wearing special clothing does not Change the heart...
Mat_23:27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
Joh 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Joh 3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Joh 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Joh 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
The Change of the heart comes from being BORN OF THE SPIRIT
AND THIS IS THE INSTRUCTIONS....WAY TO BE BORN AGAIN,...
Rom 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
==> That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.<==
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Rom 10:11 For the scripture saith,
Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Rom 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”
Since: Jun 10
"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"
#421773 Feb 11, 2013
IT appears that you pope has made a smart move...
He has made the decision to retire before he has come to the place
where they would euthanize him (as it is rumored) that has been done to
#421774 Feb 11, 2013
Yes Sir we have already gave them scripture for that as well.
#421775 Feb 11, 2013
You are a long time coming. Glad to hear from you.I remember we had some good talks in the past.Do you still visit Orthodox services? Robert F. is on here often,he has decided to follow Jesus,and that is so obvious in his postings.I know we were all concerned that he might remain in Islam,or become a non-Christian.But he has embraced the Cross,and that speaks volumes.
Yes I remember you mentioning their baptisms. You will not stay here long though,it is quite hot here at times.But you know,that back years when you were on here a lot,personal jabbs and negative remarks ran supreme over good dialogue.Keep enjoying SoCa and your granddaughters.
#421776 Feb 11, 2013
Stephen Ray is not the final word on this one Dust Storm.I venture to say that one day when God judges all things,the RCC will have to answer for giving such a title to a man,especially when in the line of Popes,there were men bearing that title and bringing open and secret shame to the whole body of Christ.
Being obstinate about giving a title to a man,does not put the fear of God into me,nor should it have given that Phillipino cause to back down.Stephen Ray had the last word there in such a gathering,but he will stand before the GOD who SEES and give account to the false teaching he gave to 2000 plus people.
Holy Father is given to the One and Only Holy Father,GOD who is omnipotent,and omnipresent.We do not need a world leader who is called Holy Father,as though he were the only intercessor between God and Man.That is another way to look at such a title.Vicar of Christ,the Middle man as it were between the Living God and man on earth.The Father,Christ His Son,and the Holy Spirit are more than capable of running the Church themselves.we all are wanting when we assume that mere men should be given the opportunity to be the Middle man with lofty titles,that will be a judgment in the end!
Since: Jan 08
#421777 Feb 11, 2013
here is where HE failed. knowing that soemthing should have been done, and he knew for decades, yet he did nothing.
which make his tenure a complete dismal failure and for that God will remember him at his day of judgement.
Yet his papacy will be forever intertwined with the sex abuse scandal.
Over the course of just a few months in 2010, thousands of people in Europe, Australia, South America and beyond came forward with reports of priests who raped and molested them as children, and bishops who covered up the crimes.
Recommend Tweet Personal Post .Documents revealed that the Vatican knew well of the problem yet turned a blind eye for decades, at times rebuffing bishops who tried to do the right thing.
Benedict had firsthand knowledge of the scope of the problem since his old office, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith which he had headed since 1982, was responsible for dealing with abuse cases.
He met with victims across the globe, wept with them and prayed with them. He promised that the church must “do everything possible” to ensure such crimes never happen again. The Vatican updated its legal code to extend the statute of limitations for cases and told bishops’ conferences around the world to come up with guidelines to prevent abuse.
But Benedict never admitted any personal or Vatican failure. Much to the dismay of victims, he never took action against bishops who ignored or covered up the abuse of their priests or moved known pedophiles to new posts where they abused again.
#421778 Feb 11, 2013
The feeling I have after reading the link is similar to the feeling I had after I received my first paycheck this year. I had felt cautiously assured that I would see no tax increase based on my salary level but after the first of the year the amount on my check decreased. After receiving the smaller check I once again hear that I've not experienced a tax increase.
#421779 Feb 11, 2013
It was John Paul 2 who kissed the Qu'ran given to him by a leading Imam,@ the interfaith senate or composium in Assisi,Italy.
I would think that the advice to kiss the Qu'ran was really bad,he of course should accept the book,and treat it with reapsect as you said,you did in regards to Muslim prisoners in need of their book.A Christian prelate kissing any book of other religions does show that the prelate in fact supports that the religion and the book are valid before both the world and God.Kissing it shows an intimacy of reassuring full acceptance.
I would not desecrate the book,as I have one here in my home and used it as a resource.But I again would not k i s s it in front of a Muslim to give him or her the ultimate show of affection for such a contemptible false document.
#421780 Feb 11, 2013
LOL...This is your idea of being open minded. You are such a phony. I couldnt stand you from the beginning because I saw right through you. Pope Benedict is a very humble man and he doesnt think he is God the Father but you can add that to your list of things you have you have never understood about the church that you are an expert on. Honestly I cant imagine a Catholic more clueless than you on the faith. Did you respond to his statement? No, you just rattled off a bunch of hostility that has nothing to do with your projections. Look up what the Jewish Encyclopedia says about binding and loosing. I have no intention of dealing with a windbag like you. Maybe you can mock your dead brother a little more being such a great Christian as you are it always seems to make you feel better. After all its Catholics who pick on the Protestants as you say you are all just balls of joy as can be seen. lol
#421781 Feb 11, 2013
Your feelings and projections are not a serious response or intellectual rebuttal to the points made. Pray and reflect on it.
#421782 Feb 11, 2013
Yet another LONG drawn out explanation attempting to convince everyone that Jesus DID NOT *REALLY* MEAN WHAT HE SAID and that it's OK to follow what the Pope said and do the EXACT OPPOSITE of what Jesus said.
1) Jesus *SAID* what he said. "CALL NO MAN YOUR FATHER."
2) Jesus *MEANT* what he said. "CALL NO MAN YOUR FATHER."
Then, of course, there is part of your argument making the point that *IF* the Catholic church stopped this tomorrow *NOTHING* would change in the church. You can publicly make that statement and not be challenged on it, because YOU know the church will not outlaw the use of its title of veneration ... and therefore you can be confident it cannot be tested in the *real* world. So it is nothing more than a transparent argument meant to make parishioners feel good and not look deeper into the Word of God for real answers.
But, yes, I do agree with your statement:
""But if every Catholic stopped using e title "father" tomorrow, the faith of the Church and its Teaching would be completely unaffected.
I consider a difference that makes no diference to be no difference.""
It really makes no difference whether they call you Father or not ... because the Catholic church is SO FAR FROM THE TRUTH that cleaning up that one "little" error will not make any difference at all. It wouldn't even scratch the surface.
#421783 Feb 11, 2013
Proverbs 26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like unto him.
Proverbs 23:9 Do not speak to a fool, for he will scorn the wisdom of your words.
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