Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 589527 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Clay

United States

#421393 Feb 10, 2013
concerned in Eygpt wrote:
<quoted text>
There is only one Church and it has existed since the time of Jesus he founded it the Gospel is the Cornerstone.
YOUR institution called the RCC is a sect that has biblical doctrine and non biblical doctrine like Mary worship and prayers to the dead among many others.
The List is extensive.
I trace my spiritual heritage through the Spirit of God and am United through him to the Body of Christ Past Present and Future.
I do not need an earthly membership card his seal is on my heart.
I need not belong to your heretical sect no more than I need belong to the Lutheran Sect to be in the fullness of God.
What is plain to those who are truly indwelt with the HOLY Spirit the comforter who was sent by Jesus is the RCC has become exactly what the Pharisees were in the NT church.
HYPOCRITES
just as you try to point out four square leadership issues in the past their splinters, you ignore the Board in your RCC's eye.
StarC you walk in Pride.
You love to be able to say I belong to thee one I am in you are out I have you don't.
Never once accepting historical facts
Never once accepting Biblical facts
That are in direct contradiction to your assertions.
God Bless you do have much compassion I have sensed in your posts in the past
"the RCC is a sect that has biblical doctrine and non biblical doctrine, like Mary Worship.."
Then you said: "I trace my spiritual heritage through the spirit of God and am united through him to the body of Christ"
Here is the problem: the first quote above is a lie. No matter how many gazillion times you guys accuse us of worshiping Mary, its still a lie- just like the first time you uttered it.
So am I to believe you are united to Christ when you spread lies about Catholics?
Is that how you're successful in Brazil? By using deceit to get them away from the Catholic Church?
Clay

United States

#421394 Feb 10, 2013
concerned in Eygpt wrote:
<quoted text>
Again you did not think before you posted your Absurd post.
If we are all using the same bible, if we all claim Sola Scriptoria, and we all claim the Holy Spirit reveals Biblical Truth as you just posted then we have lots in Common not just your presupposition that we hate the RCC. Your own post contradicts your conclusion we only have one thing in common.
Clearly uneducated.
Wake up you are digging a grave that 20 feet deep already.
You seem rather smug. We're all just 'uneducated'!!
Preston says I would be getting in over my head with you. lol
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#421395 Feb 10, 2013
Saban fan wrote:
<quoted text>
Good. So we agree he was saved by God's grace just as we are. What would've happened if Noah had only relied on God's grace and he had not followed through with the commands he had been given. In short, was there something he had to do in order to accept the grace God offered?
Once again God give us all a measure of Faith , we didn't work for it. It was God Given

God has given everyone a measure a faith, specific enough for each circumstance and situation we face. Believe it and start using it! Believing isnít the same as having faith, just like walking isnít the same as having legs. Faith means using your legs for something. Faith means being bold and courageous to launch out and take on every challenge that comes your way!
We need to exercise our faith , like our muscles to develope it and help it grow.
So what we may fail a number of times, but we can't quite.
a baby falls many times before he finally walks .
When God created us, He made us with a body, soul and spirit. He gave us individual talents and a personal measure of faith, designed to conquer our own challenges and circumstances. No one can ever say that they canít get out of any circumstance, because ever since the Father made us, He also gave us the Faith, the will and the capacity to overcome every situation in life.
If we are going to please God , its got to be through the faith God gaves us.

Habakkuk 2:2-4 says:ďThen the Lord answered me and said: "Write the vision and make it plain on tablets, that he may run who reads it. For the vision is yet for an appointed time; But at the end it will speak, and it will not lie. Though it tarries, wait for it because it will surely come. It will not tarry. "Behold the proud, His soul is not upright in him; But the just shall live by his faith.

Romans 12

King James Version (KJV)


12 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

4 For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office:

5 So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another
Saban fan

Decatur, AL

#421396 Feb 10, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>yeah, I have seen you campbellites say that your church was there at the beginning. but we know that you are a liar when you say that.if any church can make that claim, it would be the baptsit church, but to Christians, we all know that it is the Born Again church that was first and only church.
so go ahead and shake the dust off of your feet. just shows how dirty that you are. not spiritual.
Where does the baptsit church get its name?
Saban fan

Decatur, AL

#421397 Feb 10, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>nope. I meant to say that Hank is a campbellite, a real nice guy but nonetheless a campbellite, and on some things we have agreed to disagree but when he says that miracles and gifts of the spirit are now gone, then I am not going to stand for that.
oh, I am certain that you can defend your church and its false doctrine. all of you can but fortunately, i have heard it for 20 years or so.lol
How does one follow Campbell?
socci

El Dorado Springs, MO

#421398 Feb 10, 2013
no, the Bible is not catholic. it was in use long before the 4th.

and just because there are baptists or sda who disagree about the day of worship does not then make the catholic right. only they like the catholic reject what is written.

the catholic and baptist both worship the same day. the catholic says their church is the authority and knows better. the baptist does not want to break with the denomination thus continues in error same as catholics.

sda have other errors but on this one they are right!
Saban fan

Decatur, AL

#421399 Feb 10, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>doesnt mean that I called him a campbellite, does it. Hank is on here too.lol
saban and hank, that makes two and two is plural.
when are you going to leave that hatred behind and get saved?
Which of the three of us is being hateful? Me, you, or Truth?
socci

El Dorado Springs, MO

#421400 Feb 10, 2013
Saban fan wrote:
Where does the baptsit church get its name?

their famous breakfast donuts?
Saban fan

Decatur, AL

#421401 Feb 10, 2013
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you against music being played in church Saban.
What about the children of Israel, did they not play the tamborine, didn't King David play a harp and sing to God.
The Psalms
33
Praise to the Creator and Preserver
1
Rejoice in the LORD, O ye righteous:
for praise is comely for the upright.
2
Praise the LORD with harp:
sing unto him with the psaltery and an instrument of ten strings.
3
Sing unto him a new song;
play skilfully with a loud noise.
4
For the word of the LORD is right;
and all his works are done in truth.
5
He loveth righteousness and judgment:
the earth is full of the goodness of the LORD.
6
By the word of the LORD were the heavens made;
and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.
7
He gathereth the waters of the sea together as a heap:
he layeth up the depth in storehouses.
8
Let all the earth fear the LORD:
let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of him.
9
For he spake, and it was done;
he commanded, and it stood fast.
10
The LORD bringeth the counsel of the heathen to nought:
he maketh the devices of the people of none effect.
11
The counsel of the LORD standeth for ever,
the thoughts of his heart to all generations.
12
Blessed is the nation whose God is the LORD;
and the people whom he hath chosen for his own inheritance.
13
The LORD looketh from heaven;
he beholdeth all the sons of men.
14
From the place of his habitation he looketh
upon all the inhabitants of the earth.
15
He fashioneth their hearts alike;
he considereth all their works.
16
There is no king saved by the multitude of a host:
a mighty man is not delivered by much strength.
17
A horse is a vain thing for safety:
neither shall he deliver any by his great strength.
18
Behold, the eye of the LORD is upon them that fear him,
upon them that hope in his mercy;
19
to deliver their soul from death,
and to keep them alive in famine.
20
Our soul waiteth for the LORD:
he is our help and our shield.
21
For our heart shall rejoice in him,
because we have trusted in his holy name.
22
Let thy mercy, O LORD, be upon us,
according as we hope in thee.
Good question, but these examples were under the Old Law. There are several practices followed under the Old Covenant that we don't find being practiced in the NT church.
Saban fan

Decatur, AL

#421402 Feb 10, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>yeah, I have seen you campbellites say that your church was there at the beginning. but we know that you are a liar when you say that.if any church can make that claim, it would be the baptsit church, but to Christians, we all know that it is the Born Again church that was first and only church.
so go ahead and shake the dust off of your feet. just shows how dirty that you are. not spiritual.
It's not *my* church.
socci

El Dorado Springs, MO

#421403 Feb 10, 2013
LTM wrote:
Once again God give us all a measure of Faith , we didn't work for it. It was God Given
God has given everyone a measure a faith, specific enough for each circumstance and situation we face. Believe it and start using it! Believing isnít the same as having faith, just like walking isnít the same as having legs. Faith means using your legs for something. Faith means being bold and courageous to launch out and take on every challenge that comes your way!
We need to exercise our faith , like our muscles to develope it and help it grow.
So what we may fail a number of times, but we can't quite.
a baby falls many times before he finally walks .
When God created us, He made us with a body, soul and spirit. He gave us individual talents and a personal measure of faith, designed to conquer our own challenges and circumstances. No one can ever say that they canít get out of any circumstance, because ever since the Father made us, He also gave us the Faith, the will and the capacity to overcome every situation in life.
If we are going to please God , its got to be through the faith God gaves us.
Habakkuk 2:2-4 says:ďThen the Lord answered me and said: "Write the vision and make it plain on tablets, that he may run who reads it. For the vision is yet for an appointed time; But at the end it will speak, and it will not lie. Though it tarries, wait for it because it will surely come. It will not tarry. "Behold the proud, His soul is not upright in him; But the just shall live by his faith.
Romans 12
King James Version (KJV)
12 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
4 For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office:
5 So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another

Actually there are TWO kinds of faith.

1. the faith of things not seen such as heaven or the second coming - for this we need faith.

2. the faith of Jesus (Rev 14:12) is the religion of Christianity or the Gospel. There is evidence for the faith such as the nation of Israel and city of Jerusalem and much more, including Jesus. There is evidence for the faith. It is not blind faith as some like to claim.
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#421404 Feb 10, 2013
Saban fan wrote:
<quoted text>
Good. So we agree he was saved by God's grace just as we are. What would've happened if Noah had only relied on God's grace and he had not followed through with the commands he had been given. In short, was there something he had to do in order to accept the grace God offered?
Anything we do feeding the poor, helping a neighbour, etc being baptized is works we do.
Noah had God given faith ,

Noah, believed God was going to save Him from the pending flood that was to come.
The works that Noah did was build the ark, He and His family were saved. Because He exercised the faith God gave Him,.
Just like we today exercise our faith in Jesus to save us, we are in Christ like Noah was in the ark.
Catholic say Mary was the Ark,the truth is Jesus is the ark of the New Covenant.
The Ark that Noah built is rotten laying on the side of a Mountain and Mary's flesh is rotten in a grave.
Jesus never knew any decay, He is alive and is sitting on His Throne.
Saban fan

Decatur, AL

#421405 Feb 10, 2013
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you against music being played in church Saban.
What about the children of Israel, did they not play the tamborine, didn't King David play a harp and sing to God.
The Psalms
33
Praise to the Creator and Preserver
1
Rejoice in the LORD, O ye righteous:
for praise is comely for the upright.
2
Praise the LORD with harp:
sing unto him with the psaltery and an instrument of ten strings.
3
Sing unto him a new song;
play skilfully with a loud noise.
4
For the word of the LORD is right;
and all his works are done in truth.
5
He loveth righteousness and judgment:
the earth is full of the goodness of the LORD.
6
By the word of the LORD were the heavens made;
and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.
7
He gathereth the waters of the sea together as a heap:
he layeth up the depth in storehouses.
8
Let all the earth fear the LORD:
let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of him.
9
For he spake, and it was done;
he commanded, and it stood fast.
10
The LORD bringeth the counsel of the heathen to nought:
he maketh the devices of the people of none effect.
11
The counsel of the LORD standeth for ever,
the thoughts of his heart to all generations.
12
Blessed is the nation whose God is the LORD;
and the people whom he hath chosen for his own inheritance.
13
The LORD looketh from heaven;
he beholdeth all the sons of men.
14
From the place of his habitation he looketh
upon all the inhabitants of the earth.
15
He fashioneth their hearts alike;
he considereth all their works.
16
There is no king saved by the multitude of a host:
a mighty man is not delivered by much strength.
17
A horse is a vain thing for safety:
neither shall he deliver any by his great strength.
18
Behold, the eye of the LORD is upon them that fear him,
upon them that hope in his mercy;
19
to deliver their soul from death,
and to keep them alive in famine.
20
Our soul waiteth for the LORD:
he is our help and our shield.
21
For our heart shall rejoice in him,
because we have trusted in his holy name.
22
Let thy mercy, O LORD, be upon us,
according as we hope in thee.
I just noticed I didn't do a great job of answering your question, so here it is:

We listen to music and I have no problem with music in the building, but we don't use music during the worship service because we find no example of its use in the first century church.

I don't know that it is a Salvation issue but, for example, when God instructed Noah to use Gopher wood would it have been OK for him to use something else? We have lots of specific examples of what God expects from us in our worship service to Him and instrumental music is not found.
Anthony MN

Andover, MN

#421406 Feb 10, 2013
concerned in Eygpt wrote:
<quoted text>
STAC C
Long time no post
You would do well not bring up the history of Christian Sects leaders and stick to whether or not your faith in RC doctrine is Biblical.
The provable factual evidence of the 40+ million the RCC has slaughtered in the Past 500 years and the Deeds of its RC Popes is unprecedented in Christian history, not to mention the recent scandals of your Priests and the cover ups with the assault and rape of little boys.
This argument you will lose hands down.
You would do well not to point this finger as three are pointing back.
Definitely the Camp fire Pot calling used tea cup black.
"The provable factual evidence of the 40+ million the RCC has slaughtered in the Past 500 years and the Deeds of its RC Popes is unprecedented in Christian history"

The last time you were here it was 60+ million.

Concerned, your tendency to grossly exaggerate is well known by those of us who've been here a while .

Why did St. James tell us to confess our sins to one another? Why are we to confess to priests? Or "elders" (if you want to change it to that)?
Saban fan

Decatur, AL

#421407 Feb 10, 2013
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
I guess you forgot about the Children of Israel, who sang song of Worship and Praise .
Psalm 33
New King James Version (NKJV)
The Sovereignty of the Lord in Creation and History
Psalm 33
1 Rejoice in the Lord, O you righteous!
For praise from the upright is beautiful.
2 Praise the Lord with the harp;
Make melody to Him with an instrument of ten strings.
3 Sing to Him a new song;
Play skillfully with a shout of joy.
4 For the word of the Lord is right,
And all His work is done in truth.
5 He loves righteousness and justice;
The earth is full of the goodness of the Lord.
6 By the word of the Lord the heavens were made,
And all the host of them by the breath of His mouth.
7 He gathers the waters of the sea together as a heap;[a]
He lays up the deep in storehouses.
8 Let all the earth fear the Lord;
Let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of Him.
9 For He spoke, and it was done;
He commanded, and it stood fast.
10 The Lord brings the counsel of the nations to nothing;
He makes the plans of the peoples of no effect.
11 The counsel of the Lord stands forever,
The plans of His heart to all generations.
12 Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord,
The people He has chosen as His own inheritance.
13 The Lord looks from heaven;
He sees all the sons of men.
14 From the place of His dwelling He looks
On all the inhabitants of the earth;
15 He fashions their hearts individually;
He considers all their works.
16 No king is saved by the multitude of an army;
A mighty man is not delivered by great strength.
17 A horse is a vain hope for safety;
Neither shall it deliver any by its great strength.
18 Behold, the eye of the Lord is on those who fear Him,
On those who hope in His mercy,
19 To deliver their soul from death,
And to keep them alive in famine.
20 Our soul waits for the Lord;
He is our help and our shield.
21 For our heart shall rejoice in Him,
Because we have trusted in His holy name.
22 Let Your mercy, O Lord, be upon us,
Just as we hope in You.
Just to keep things in perspective, the Children of Israel had animal sacrifices too. They were required to follow the Law of Moses.
Anthony MN

Andover, MN

#421408 Feb 10, 2013
concerned in Eygpt wrote:
<quoted text>
Again you did not think before you posted your Absurd post.
If we are all using the same bible, if we all claim Sola Scriptoria, and we all claim the Holy Spirit reveals Biblical Truth as you just posted then we have lots in Common not just your presupposition that we hate the RCC. Your own post contradicts your conclusion we only have one thing in common.
Clearly uneducated.
Wake up you are digging a grave that 20 feet deep already.
"we all claim the Holy Spirit reveals Biblical Truth as you just posted then we have lots in Common not just your presupposition that we hate the RCC."

The Holy Spirit is not the author of confusion and disagreement, which is protestantism.

And the Church is not an invisible body of believers loosely connected by faith in the bible alone. Sorry.
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#421409 Feb 10, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
You seem rather smug. We're all just 'uneducated'!!
Preston says I would be getting in over my head with you. lol
Preston is right. You have no bible knowledge except what you are told to believe.
Which are a bunch of lies clay.
Anthony MN

Andover, MN

#421410 Feb 10, 2013
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
Anything we do feeding the poor, helping a neighbour, etc being baptized is works we do.
Noah had God given faith ,
Noah, believed God was going to save Him from the pending flood that was to come.
The works that Noah did was build the ark, He and His family were saved. Because He exercised the faith God gave Him,.
Just like we today exercise our faith in Jesus to save us, we are in Christ like Noah was in the ark.
Catholic say Mary was the Ark,the truth is Jesus is the ark of the New Covenant.
The Ark that Noah built is rotten laying on the side of a Mountain and Mary's flesh is rotten in a grave.
Jesus never knew any decay, He is alive and is sitting on His Throne.
"and Mary's flesh is rotten in a grave."

I will pray a Hail Mary for you.

They looked for her grave. They never found it. She was assumed into heaven like Enoch and Elijah.

"[T]he Apostles took up her body on a bier and placed it in a tomb; and they guarded it, expecting the Lord to come. And behold, again the Lord stood by them; and the holy body having been received, He commanded that it be taken in a cloud into paradise: where now, rejoined to the soul,[Mary] rejoices with the Lord's chosen ones..." Gregory of Tours, Eight Books of Miracles, 1:4 (inter A.D. 575-593).
Saban fan

Decatur, AL

#421411 Feb 10, 2013
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
Anything we do feeding the poor, helping a neighbour, etc being baptized is works we do.
Noah had God given faith ,
Noah, believed God was going to save Him from the pending flood that was to come.
The works that Noah did was build the ark, He and His family were saved. Because He exercised the faith God gave Him,.
Just like we today exercise our faith in Jesus to save us, we are in Christ like Noah was in the ark.
Catholic say Mary was the Ark,the truth is Jesus is the ark of the New Covenant.
The Ark that Noah built is rotten laying on the side of a Mountain and Mary's flesh is rotten in a grave.
Jesus never knew any decay, He is alive and is sitting on His Throne.
In short, my point was that Noah had to do something to accept the grace he was granted. That does not mean he wasn't saved by grace.

When I'm baptized for the remission of my sins (Acts 2:38) it doesn't mean I am not saved by grace. It is only through God's grace anyone is saved. However, we are given commandments to follow and obey.
Doctor REALITY

Little Rock, AR

#421412 Feb 10, 2013
The False Prophet mentioned in the book of Revelation will likely come from the Roman Catholic church.

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