Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Just my view on Apostolic Succession here....
The split of Orthodox and Rome was of a spiritual, and temporal one. Spiritually, there was more a mystical quality in the Orthodox, and they wanted to preserve it. Rome was hierarchical, and wanted to preserve it.
It is difficult for a mystical quality authority to co-ordinate and lead. And so the area of Constantinople weakened itself when they left the authority of Rome, and suffered ever since.(That is not to say they were wrong, merely that they have suffered.) Over the years, various Middle Eastern influences seperated the Orthodox and Roman authorities, but these have gone their courses, and may soon end in reconciliation. It is always a hope.
The course of Protestantism has been in serious decline. And the newer evangelical and neo-reformists have emerged. But at what cost? Preserving a small "select" group of believers(churches), for a generation or two, as opposed to becoming part of the "universal" Church. It would seem better to me that a renewal of faith be directed toward the "universal"(catholic ) Church, rather than remaining seperated....
I really wonder why Catholics are so sure that their organization is the only one?Protestants may be in serious decline,but the church that is immersed in the Spirit still lives and the TESTIMONY is alive and well.

The whole Body of Christ is suffering from the assault daily of being in this W O R L D.God did not give to the church a new fresh look at the world,but a focus of what He wants for the Church in regards to Christ.

The World never ceases to disvalue the role of the Church in relationship to the souls of men and women in need of Salvation.All need to be saved,and only JESUS can complete Himself through His people."Many are called,few are chosen."It is not God's plan to only use one facet of the Church,but to proclaim liberty to captives by means of the whole Body.

If each segment of the Church begins to fall short,it is not because they have a fraction of truth,but because they have allowed their eyes to focus on this World rather than the Master.It is not a matter of what we joined,but Whom we joined into.The Lord Jesus gives the Roll Call,and if we respond,than we are chosen to continue to make a difference in this present World.

I find partiality to church preference ill-sought when people look to that preference rather than to the Master Himself.We can exalt our church all we want,but it takes Faith to live out what JESUS said"He who does the Will of My Father is my brother,sister and mother."

I respect your walk with Christ regardless of your affiliation.It makes no difference to me that you attend a RCCh,but it does make a difference to God if you are listening to His Son.

Protestantism fails for one reason only,not because someone says it is Babel,but rather that it takes its eyes off of the GOAL who is JESUS.

ARE we to think that eventually our church affiliation will make us savvy to the Kingdom of God? If so,than we miss the opportunity to hear His voice rather than to seek to find out the kingdom of God in our church organization. The Church is the bride of Christ,not the Kingdom of God our Father.

It is the Spiritual Manna from Heaven that will keep us going ,not our interpretation of what Communion is or is not.Baptism is for those who repent of their sins and follow Christ,can a n infant rightly make that decision? Of course not.We are not to seek initiation,but to understand that In Christ we have our being and are s a v e d,baptism spiritually brings us to acknowledge His Burial.

But who can argue these points? You believe that your church which teaches us those things we ultimately reject like infant baptism,is the only true church.Our response to the Word of God is to:believe,repent and be baptized.So much more to face as mature people the truth:To make that decision!
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The Real Presence of Jesus Christ in the Eucharist.
Aposolic Succession.
Authoritative Teaching, rooted in Apostolic Succession.
A Church that is One, in all the p,aces where the Gospel of Jesus Christ is proclaimed.
A Church that is catholic, a notion many Protestants reject, and a word hey have even dared to remove from the Apostles' Creed and the Nicene Creed.
The Communion of the Saints.
The Graces offered to us by the Holy Spirit in the Sacraments.
The intercession of the Blessed Mother, forever pointing us to her Divine Son.
I could go on, but you probably already have 4 or 5 things from the list which you reject, and it'd only raise your blood pressure.
Protestantism has graces in it, an a Purpose, one given to it because of misbehavior on the pepart of Catholic leadership before the Reformation.
But we ought never to forget that Protestantism is ALSO a Tower of Babel, a structure erected (in intent) APART from the One God originally intended.
I often wonder how much better the faith of Christianity would be, had they been True Reformers (as St. Francis of Assisi was), rather than the Rebels they turned out to be. That is not a criticism of the ones who inherited from them, b the way, as I am convinced there are saints among their heirs.
LOTS of them.
But that does not make their antescedants any less rebels rather than true reformers.
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It would be so nice to know exactly what is wrong with being born again,(believing,repenting,and being baptized),knowing that Christ is our all-sufficiency? Having a TESTIMONY of what Christ has done in our lives,being in fellowship with many believers who have similar testimonies and to pray with them,experience the Holy Spirit in worship,and so on.

I do not believe that RCs realize that we have these things I mentioned and that the Bible confirms them,and we live accordingly. It is my experience that Christians in many places,Believe-Repent and are baptized,and continue to live their lives in Christ,knowing His voice through the Spiritual life.When I have traveled years ago,Christians in Wales,Britain,Viet Nam,Thailand,Canada and in Mexico for starters all had similar testimonies as to who and what Christ is.Believers and their congregations do the same things everywhere.

Bibles are read,pastors expound on what is taught in Scripture,hymns and songs are sung to the glory of God,worship is the same wherever one goes.The only difference is the language if it is not of course English.

The same good works are done in Belgium within evangelical communities as are done with believers in Singapore.The poor are fed,clothed,and loved,and given the heartfelt message to turn to Christ who will change a person and give them life eternal.

The Authority is that basic trust in JESUS who is the only authority concerning His relationship with His Father in glory.No one knows the Father as Jesus does,and vice versa. Through the Holy Spirit Jesus is revealed to us,and in the teachings of Jesus as confirmed through Scripture,the Father is known to us as well.

Authority comes through the Person of Jesus Christ,we trust and love Him,and He uses us as vessels to serve and love Him,and that is shed abroad to others around us,by the Holy Spirit,and our obedience to the Spirit of Truth.
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The Real Presence of Jesus Christ in the Eucharist.
Aposolic Succession.
Authoritative Teaching, rooted in Apostolic Succession.
A Church that is One, in all the p,aces where the Gospel of Jesus Christ is proclaimed.
A Church that is catholic, a notion many Protestants reject, and a word hey have even dared to remove from the Apostles' Creed and the Nicene Creed.
The Communion of the Saints.
The Graces offered to us by the Holy Spirit in the Sacraments.
The intercession of the Blessed Mother, forever pointing us to her Divine Son.
I could go on, but you probably already have 4 or 5 things from the list which you reject, and it'd only raise your blood pressure.
Protestantism has graces in it, an a Purpose, one given to it because of misbehavior on the pepart of Catholic leadership before the Reformation.
But we ought never to forget that Protestantism is ALSO a Tower of Babel, a structure erected (in intent) APART from the One God originally intended.
I often wonder how much better the faith of Christianity would be, had they been True Reformers (as St. Francis of Assisi was), rather than the Rebels they turned out to be. That is not a criticism of the ones who inherited from them, b the way, as I am convinced there are saints among their heirs.
LOTS of them.
But that does not make their antescedants any less rebels rather than true reformers.
Rob
ACTUALLY father Rob,you reject us more than we reject you.It is that simple.Your calling yourself Catholic does not make you anymore a Christian,than my calling myself a Catholic makes me a Christian.

As a Roman Catholic you reject us because you believe that we do not have the authority of Christ at all,but perhaps you think we have the crumbs that fell to the floor for the dogs to eat.In order to be a true Catholic in your teaching,one must be a Roman Catholic.The Orthodox,Anglicans and Lutherans would refute that would'nt they?

Many protestants and evangelicals through the years have said in fact they are C a t h o l i c,but not Roman Catholic.Well what is the point of saying I am a Catholic if I do not adhere to the Papacy? I reject the concept of what Roman Catholics view as Catholic,more so than I actually feel about the word Catholic itself. Being Catholic does not bother me,but I can never really be one because I basically reject being a Roman Catholic.

Being part of the UNIVERSAL body of Christ is a given when we believe,repent of our sins,and are baptized into the Godhead(Father/Son and Holy Spirit).But if calling oneself Catholic is that important,it will soon be frivolous if oneself decides that they cannot be a Roman Catholic.Is there such a criter as a Catholic,who is not Roman Catholic?

If you say the Orthodox are Catholics,that may be true,but yet you say also that the Anglicans,Methodists,Lutherans ,and Reformed are not Catholics.

It is a term that can be refuted for hours,but yet it is meaningless to Christians who have no stake in becoming Roman Catholic. Wesleyan Methodists,who are very evangelical,in their CREED(Apostle's),say Christian and Holy Catholic Church.Most evangelicals do not even recite the Apostle's creed.YET they acknowledge every ounce of faith in the Living God,His Son,and the Holy Spirit,the communion of all saints,not just the ones canonized by the RC tradition.

We can argue till the cows come home authority and titles,but it all boils down to the simple message of the Gospel,to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved.GRACE is what God uses to save us,and faith is the impetus to do such,we cannot save ourselves.If we could than the Cross is in Vain.
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The Real Presence of Jesus Christ in the Eucharist.
Aposolic Succession.
Authoritative Teaching, rooted in Apostolic Succession.
A Church that is One, in all the p,aces where the Gospel of Jesus Christ is proclaimed.
A Church that is catholic, a notion many Protestants reject, and a word hey have even dared to remove from the Apostles' Creed and the Nicene Creed.
The Communion of the Saints.
The Graces offered to us by the Holy Spirit in the Sacraments.
The intercession of the Blessed Mother, forever pointing us to her Divine Son.
I could go on, but you probably already have 4 or 5 things from the list which you reject, and it'd only raise your blood pressure.
Protestantism has graces in it, an a Purpose, one given to it because of misbehavior on the pepart of Catholic leadership before the Reformation.
But we ought never to forget that Protestantism is ALSO a Tower of Babel, a structure erected (in intent) APART from the One God originally intended.
I often wonder how much better the faith of Christianity would be, had they been True Reformers (as St. Francis of Assisi was), rather than the Rebels they turned out to be. That is not a criticism of the ones who inherited from them, b the way, as I am convinced there are saints among their heirs.
LOTS of them.
But that does not make their antescedants any less rebels rather than true reformers.
Rob
The Communion of Saints is basically an ambigious term as according to the RCC the only saint is one who is canonized by the Papacy,which includes the Cardinals and dthe Pope.It would be ridiculous to spend anytime trying to convince you that many precious believers who are not Roman Catholic are indeed s a i n t s.I have met some over the years,and they will never be made a Saint by your church,by virtue of their not being Roman Catholic.

Holiness is not limited to being a priest,nun,brother and deacon.Holiness is not limited to martyrdom either although that is definitely a good reason to call those who were martyred:S A I N T S.

Non-RC Christians do not seek to have the title saint in front of their name,but would rather hear the Lord say"Enter into my abode,you faithful servant."But we know that God calls us what He will,if He chooses to call us saints than so be it. Of course the RCC and the Orthodox traditions naturally have their whole retinue of saints.Personally I cannot argue over who of them is truly a saint and whatever.BUT it is so obvious that most of them are either priests,nuns,brothers or deacons.

I have not seen in the Scriptures the RC saints canonized,nor do I see the Apostle's ever alluding to the forming of saints as your church claims it has the ability to do.It does not matter who you canonize a saint,that person will face the same judgment before the King Jesus,as we all will be judged by Him.The Great Throne Judgment is for all those who are not believers in YESHUA.

No I do not condemn them to hell,I will not begin to comment on what happens to those who do not know Him our Lord.He is full of mercy and compassion,we all agree to that,HOW Wide is His Mercy?Only God can know that and respond to the claim of the Word on His behalf.

Nevertheless,Christ did not die in Vain,and we are called to preach the gospel to a l l Nations,baptizing them in the Name of the Father,Son and Holy Spirit! The Communion of saints simply to us means,all believers in the communion of His body and blood,a spiritual body!
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The Real Presence of Jesus Christ in the Eucharist.
Aposolic Succession.
Authoritative Teaching, rooted in Apostolic Succession.
A Church that is One, in all the p,aces where the Gospel of Jesus Christ is proclaimed.
A Church that is catholic, a notion many Protestants reject, and a word hey have even dared to remove from the Apostles' Creed and the Nicene Creed.
The Communion of the Saints.
The Graces offered to us by the Holy Spirit in the Sacraments.
The intercession of the Blessed Mother, forever pointing us to her Divine Son.
I could go on, but you probably already have 4 or 5 things from the list which you reject, and it'd only raise your blood pressure.
Protestantism has graces in it, an a Purpose, one given to it because of misbehavior on the pepart of Catholic leadership before the Reformation.
But we ought never to forget that Protestantism is ALSO a Tower of Babel, a structure erected (in intent) APART from the One God originally intended.
I often wonder how much better the faith of Christianity would be, had they been True Reformers (as St. Francis of Assisi was), rather than the Rebels they turned out to be. That is not a criticism of the ones who inherited from them, b the way, as I am convinced there are saints among their heirs.
LOTS of them.
But that does not make their antescedants any less rebels rather than true reformers.
Rob
My blood pressure is not raised. Graces from spiritual communion with Christ are for all believers.It is very apparent that Communion,baptism,anointing with oil,benediction of blessing from the WORD,Marriage in Christ between a man and a woman,who become Husband and Wife,the baptism in the Spirit,are all graces benefited to the whole body.Each member of the body can experience these things.Single people who choose not to marry can serve Christ that is grace applied by the Spirit as well.

Good works,ministires of help,love,and support through many different ways are all graces from God,as He alone inspires us to live a life that works for the good of those around us,and those who are helped through Missions.

I cannot see any fellowship in Christ void of graces,for everything done in Christ requires faith,faith comes from God it is His gift to us,and we share in His Will which includes His love that works its way through us,when we by faith trust and open the door to our hearts.Conduits for Christ,all believers regardless of affiliation can be.

Sorry but I do not see saying a rosary as a grace conduit,the prayers said to Christ,and the love shared concerning His sacrifice is a vehicle of grace.You can use the rosary if you will,and may it be whatever you hope it to be,but it is not a source of grace for me as a believer.

Naturally it is a matter of faith,and if Catholics see the rosary or the wearing of medals and scapulars as a vehicle of grace,God will see their hearts and that remains alone in His sight to judge the reins of the heart.I will not condemn you or any Catholic for using those things to enhance faith,or to claim grace is applied through such.God alone judges these matters.

The things that RCs may consider the vehicles of God's grace may or may not be the same as what we see,but it is wrong for me as a believer to mock,or ridicule what you do in your private time before the Living God.I do not have any desire to say the rosary,or to wear medals,and scapulars.If you do and you believe your time in purgatory will be shorter,enjoy that belief,it does not injure my relationship with you as a believer in Christ..

What injures my relationship with any believer is when they claim that my worship,prayers and the things I do in Christ are invalid because I am not a member of their church.That works both ways.Your loving and serving Christ is paramount to me,and I see that above all you may do in regards to the choices you make to serve HIM best!
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The Real Presence of Jesus Christ in the Eucharist.
Aposolic Succession.
Authoritative Teaching, rooted in Apostolic Succession.
A Church that is One, in all the p,aces where the Gospel of Jesus Christ is proclaimed.
A Church that is catholic, a notion many Protestants reject, and a word hey have even dared to remove from the Apostles' Creed and the Nicene Creed.
The Communion of the Saints.
The Graces offered to us by the Holy Spirit in the Sacraments.
The intercession of the Blessed Mother, forever pointing us to her Divine Son.
I could go on, but you probably already have 4 or 5 things from the list which you reject, and it'd only raise your blood pressure.
Protestantism has graces in it, an a Purpose, one given to it because of misbehavior on the pepart of Catholic leadership before the Reformation.
But we ought never to forget that Protestantism is ALSO a Tower of Babel, a structure erected (in intent) APART from the One God originally intended.
I often wonder how much better the faith of Christianity would be, had they been True Reformers (as St. Francis of Assisi was), rather than the Rebels they turned out to be. That is not a criticism of the ones who inherited from them, b the way, as I am convinced there are saints among their heirs.
LOTS of them.
But that does not make their antescedants any less rebels rather than true reformers.
Rob
The Intercession of Mary to enable and give a greater love of her Son.I have no fault with that,but I do believe that the realm of prayer beyond the grave is to God alone,why?Because He simply tells us to sekk Him,in a closet as it were,and He will reward you openly.The praying to God by any man or woman is astounding enough for the human mind let alone pray to another human being.Is not the whole issue of the Bible and faith in God the most important direction one must make to find the Living God?

When we seek HIM above all else,that takes all of our attention,to ONE we cannot SEE with our eyes.It is important that we realize that God the Father,the Son and the Holy Spirit is our Focus.All else can be a distraction.

I of course believe that if Mary came to me personally,she would exalt her Son in a way far greater than I could ever do now,because she has the advantage of raising Him from infancy to manhood,and she witnessed His death.

However father Dye,I do not believe for one minute that Mary would come to me and tell me to make an image of her,and venerate her through that image,or to use the image to bless my house or protect it.I would never believe that she would want me to build a huge edifice that is named for her,and that great devotions,litanies and prayers should be said to her in appeasement for sin,or for her to approach her Son,as though He is more approachable only through her.

There is a big difference brother, between Mary sharing the beauty of her son to us,and or requiring our obedience to make images of her,say rosaries,and build fantastic cathedrals in her name.Apparitions of Mary all require those who saw them to say litanies to her Pure heart,her immaculate conception,and to recite rosaries which the majority of the prayers are to her.The Apparitions all required those who saw them to make images or statues of her,and to build large edifices in her name,to exalt and bring a glory to her person.I can read,and many of those who have read the same and are not RC see the same things I did.We reject the Apparitions,not because Mary might have a word from her Son to us all,but that she requires obesiance to her,which is not Judeo-Christianity.

The Mary of the Bible is not one who would go against the Jewish laws of true worship to God alone,that which includes latria worship and veneration to her person,in order to appease for sin,or make shorter time in Purgatory,and or approach Jesus as though He is better approachable through her.
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The Real Presence of Jesus Christ in the Eucharist.
Aposolic Succession.
Authoritative Teaching, rooted in Apostolic Succession.
A Church that is One, in all the p,aces where the Gospel of Jesus Christ is proclaimed.
A Church that is catholic, a notion many Protestants reject, and a word hey have even dared to remove from the Apostles' Creed and the Nicene Creed.
The Communion of the Saints.
The Graces offered to us by the Holy Spirit in the Sacraments.
The intercession of the Blessed Mother, forever pointing us to her Divine Son.
I could go on, but you probably already have 4 or 5 things from the list which you reject, and it'd only raise your blood pressure.
Protestantism has graces in it, an a Purpose, one given to it because of misbehavior on the pepart of Catholic leadership before the Reformation.
But we ought never to forget that Protestantism is ALSO a Tower of Babel, a structure erected (in intent) APART from the One God originally intended.
I often wonder how much better the faith of Christianity would be, had they been True Reformers (as St. Francis of Assisi was), rather than the Rebels they turned out to be. That is not a criticism of the ones who inherited from them, b the way, as I am convinced there are saints among their heirs.
LOTS of them.
But that does not make their antescedants any less rebels rather than true reformers.
Rob
The Tower of Babel should never be referred to any believer who seeks to live for Christ,reads the Word,and obeys Christ,and most of all seeks to do the Will of the Father.

When Christians meet no matter what their affiliation,Prayer is made,Worship is conducted through music and praise,the Holy Scriptures are read,expounded upon,testimonies are also given within reasonable time,prayer is made to invite souls to Christ,Communion is shared basically once a month or in some churches twice,or even more.I knew a Lutheran pastor who was forced out of his pulpit because he believed in healing,he had communion in his church every Sunday.That pastor married my wife and I,we went to his church for several years.

I have been to many different kinds of Evangelical churches,all had similar formats,all used the Word in respect and holiness.All practiced Communion ,and most of them shared a very spiritual time while remembering the death of Christ,and taking of the elements.

I never heard in any evangelical church regardless of affiliation,that Jesus was not God,or that He was not born of a Virgin.Baptisms are the same in most evangelical churches,great times of seeing men,women and children show that they publicly accept Christ,and in obedience go down into the water,are immersed for the remission of sins.The only difference sometimes is the casualness of the way some do things,some may be very serious and respectful,some are very casual,laid back as it were.I have personal opinions about that.

But the same gospel is preached in all Christian churches:Christ lived,taught,called out His Apostles,healed the sick,cleansed the lepers.He was arrested,suffered,scourged,cro wned with thorns,crucified on a cross(tree),died was buried,and Rose again on the third day.
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The Real Presence of Jesus Christ in the Eucharist.
Aposolic Succession.
Authoritative Teaching, rooted in Apostolic Succession.
A Church that is One, in all the p,aces where the Gospel of Jesus Christ is proclaimed.
A Church that is catholic, a notion many Protestants reject, and a word hey have even dared to remove from the Apostles' Creed and the Nicene Creed.
The Communion of the Saints.
The Graces offered to us by the Holy Spirit in the Sacraments.
The intercession of the Blessed Mother, forever pointing us to her Divine Son.
I could go on, but you probably already have 4 or 5 things from the list which you reject, and it'd only raise your blood pressure.
Protestantism has graces in it, an a Purpose, one given to it because of misbehavior on the pepart of Catholic leadership before the Reformation.
But we ought never to forget that Protestantism is ALSO a Tower of Babel, a structure erected (in intent) APART from the One God originally intended.
I often wonder how much better the faith of Christianity would be, had they been True Reformers (as St. Francis of Assisi was), rather than the Rebels they turned out to be. That is not a criticism of the ones who inherited from them, b the way, as I am convinced there are saints among their heirs.
LOTS of them.
But that does not make their antescedants any less rebels rather than true reformers.
Rob
Saint Francis may have been able to reform the church to some extent,and bless his heart he no doubt did.But he again was ultimately cloistered,along with Saint Clare as well.They reformed the Holy Orders or communities of single men and women sacrificing their lives for Christ.Com mendable,and wonderful to sa the least.

That is a big difference though for the laity of those times.Many poor and the very salt of the earth.History does not paint a pretty picture for your church politically and so on.We know that the Papacy although it may not have done away with people like Saint Francis,it did persecute those who were not in total agreement with them.

But that is not relevant today is it?Does the Catholic church persecute those who do not agree with them? Majority would say no,there is some exception in third world countries where RCism is state religion or church,and outsiders would be limited by different means,sometimes even physical assault.

Nevertheless,the reformers knew in their day that the only way to shed the corruption of the RCC was to sever themselves from that organization completely.We see that today,as some Christians feel they must separate totally from denominations.The large reformer churches such as Presbyterian,Methodist and Congregationalist or reformed,all witnessed exoduses because of liberalism and watered-down gospel.

The Salvation Army in England opposed the coldness of Anglicanism,and confronted poverty and human misery headon,with a gospel message that valued the soul and gave hope to the addicted,afflicted and despised of society.

God has purpose,and He should be given the glory for any endeavor that raised humans out of despair and sinful addiction.What a Catholic priest may not be able to do Rob,a pastor like Dave Wilkerson did with the Lord in the streets of Brooklyn,with vicious gangs.And you can say the same for some of the endeavors your priests,brothers and sisters do.But God is ALL in all,and we Christians have that benefit of the limitless power of Christ to reach the lost through all of us who are yielded to the LOVE of Jesus.

It takes faith not denomination to do of His good pleasure.He uses men and women and children in all denominations,and those organizations can be a help in financing endeavors,praying behind ministries,and corporate worship to the glory of God. But nothing takes the place of men and women who are yielded to Him,and will trust Him by faith,and do HIS Will as He Leads by the Holy Spirit of Promise.
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<quoted text>It would be so nice to know exactly what is wrong with being born again,(believing,repenting,and being baptized),knowing that Christ is our all-sufficiency?.
Nothing, if that's all you know. There are so many good Protestants and people of all faiths.
Catholics have said many times you guys can get to Heaven. Well, it may get harder for someone in a teaching capacity, who learns the truth, but ignores it to save the embarrassment from peers.
But that's a different thing ..

The issue is: your team is telling us we are going to hell for worshiping Mary etc. At that point, the debate gets bigger. Instead of just being content with your relationship with Jesus Christ and declaring your love for Him, you're entering into a different arena by attempting to be an authority on the scriptures.

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Confrinting--your mind, heart and soul is so anti-catholic perverted and polluted in the bondage of hostility, that you will "frantically, say or do (anything) in order to attack our Catholic Faith!! What you fail to realize is that "it won't work! NO CATHOLIC---Not one of us---or ANY OF THE 1.168 Billion CATHOLICS around the world are listening to your "trash talking"--phoney history lesson regarding Constantine!!
Manipulating, distorting, mis-interpreting and mis-quoting of the "true meaning" of Gods word, is all that you have "EVER DONE" from the very first day that you came on this forum!..... "EVERY VERSE THAT YOU LIST" is based on one thing, and one thing only!!(Your personal anti-catholic animosity, vengeance and hatred toward Jesus Christ and His One (and only) True Apostolic Catholic Church! THIS IS THE ONLY THING YOU KNOW!! This is the ONLY thing that your bible only Ministry is grounded in!!!! Hate toward other Christians, their personal faith and salvation in Jesus Christ and the Churches they worship in--especially Catholics.
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I confront with the word of God the Bible...

and since what your Constantinian facade does not tech the word of God

It is only natural for it to speak against antichrist doctrines..

Rake your grievances up with God...

I didn't write the Bible ...I only write what it says..

I AM A PREACHER.... AND I HAVE BEEN SENT...YOU REJECT IT

YOU WILL HAVE... AN ETERNAL HELL... TO PAY...FOR YOUR REJECTION!

Best receive the message and thank God for the messenger...

THE BIBLE SAYS..

Rom 10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

Rom 10:15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

Rom 10:16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?

Rom 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Rom 10:18 But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.

You don't want to believe it, that's not my problem.

YOUR ACCOUNTABILITY to God's word INCREASES EACH TIME YOU ARE GIVEN THE TRUTH OF IT.
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title is pride
pride is sin or error

We not be teach call anyone Lord..no..
''don't have another god before me''
''how many lord you have''
We are deference!
My teachers teach me about Gospidine =gospel..its mean as Creator words have to be spread...when we pray we believe in Jesus Christ name..yes
''name'' yes all of us have name..which name is holy..but my rosary..yes yes yes you don't liked rosary.its not going make me very angry when you express yourself because about what rosary..poor my rosary..yes yes yes..Who created us..Are you for sure you are my Creator or Croator?

Because of that you don't liked me and my people.

Thank you very much!
Its very nice from you, you explain yourself.

My rosary to me, liked or not I am not to much care.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

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Clay wrote:
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Nothing, if that's all you know. There are so many good Protestants and people of all faiths.
Catholics have said many times you guys can get to Heaven. Well, it may get harder for someone in a teaching capacity, who learns the truth, but ignores it to save the embarrassment from peers.
But that's a different thing ..
The issue is: your team is telling us we are going to hell for worshiping Mary etc. At that point, the debate gets bigger. Instead of just being content with your relationship with Jesus Christ and declaring your love for Him, you're entering into a different arena by attempting to be an authority on the scriptures.
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THE BIBLE SAYS

Exo_34:14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:

YOUR PROXY RELATIONSHIP (with Mary standing between you and Christ)

is as a man that has another person between him and His bride/wife

It is called adultery.....in your case it is spiritual adultery.

1Ti_2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Heb_8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

Heb_9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

Heb_12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

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2Co 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy:

-->for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

2Co 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
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<quoted text>I dont have a problem with Paul being Baptised. All of us should be baptised after we accept Jesus as our Lord, as Paul did on that road to Damascus.
the bottom line is that I refuse to allow people to lie about what Jesus said or didnt say and He never told Ananias to Baptise Paul, which is why you couldnt prove it.
If it wasn't because of Jesus' teaching why did Ananias baptize Paul? You cannot separate Jesus from Baptism.

Why is it we "should be baptized" and which "one baptism" was Paul referring to in Eph. 4? Was it John's baptism, the Holy Spirit baptism that happened to the apostles or was it baptism into Jesus and Jesus' Kingdom for the remission of sins as Peter taught at Pentecost?
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to be with envy=jelouse..ah yes yes basebubel..is that your delal..how you call that..i don't call that Jesus Christ.

Why you against Jesus Christ?
Why you liked split husband and wife?
Are you follower of Satan as split personality?
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...or was it infant baptism Paul was referring to?
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I express myself ..Paul is not alive Jesus Christ Apostol.

Many many many will come in my name..its not me=its Jesus Christ words.
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Why you call Mediator?
Whats deference between Mediator and Creator?
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confrinting with the word wrote:
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I confront with the word of God the Bible...
and since what your Constantinian facade does not tech the word of God
It is only natural for it to speak against antichrist doctrines..
Rake your grievances up with God...
I didn't write the Bible ...I only write what it says..
I AM A PREACHER.... AND I HAVE BEEN SENT...YOU REJECT IT
YOU WILL HAVE... AN ETERNAL HELL... TO PAY...FOR YOUR REJECTION!
Best receive the message and thank God for the messenger...
THE BIBLE SAYS..
Rom 10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
Rom 10:15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
Rom 10:16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
Rom 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Rom 10:18 But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.
You don't want to believe it, that's not my problem.
YOUR ACCOUNTABILITY to God's word INCREASES EACH TIME YOU ARE GIVEN THE TRUTH OF IT.
My accountability is not bound by your interpretations of sacred Scriptures. Nor is it to the thousands of other paper Popes. Its not responsible for anyone to follow anyone but the Church- which was given authority from God. All you do is cherry pick their canon of Scripture anyway.
Confronting with if word? Nah. You're confronting with some of the word. You're not using 7 other sacred books that Christians used for 1,600 yrs before the Protestants removed them without any authority. Its their hands that has the blood. By you teaching their errors, you're participating in their sin.

"remember me and look at me, punish me not for my sins and ignorances, and the sins of my fathers, who have sinned before thee. For they obeyed not thy commandments. Wherefore thou hast delivered us for a spoil; and unto captivity and unto death. And for a proverb of reproach to all the nations among who we are dispersed"

Book of Tobit 3: 3-4
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This man in the picture was hanged by the ‘religion of peace’ Islam, for believing in Jesus as the Christ. And note the smile on his face as he seems at peace knowing he will soon see the Son of God. For Christians are ready to meet Jesus. But for atheists and unbelievers there is only the unknown.

What would you do if this ‘religion of peace’ were here in the United States? And was in control of this country and you were going to put to death or better yet would your Christianity even be at issue because they have no reason to consider you a threat?

Click the link and view what the other photos of this crime:
http://www.holycrime.com/CrimeNews34.asp

As these Muslims are only obeying their book:
“Terrorize and behead those who believe in scriptures
other than the Qur’an.” Koran 8:12
“When opportunity arises, kill the infidels wherever you catch them.” Koran 9:5
“Do not hanker for peace with the infidels;
behead them when you catch them.” Koran 47:4
“Surely we have prepared for the unbelievers chains and shackles
and a burning fire.”(Sura 76, verse 4).

This coming weekend outside a Church in Los Angeles they will be public support of both Islam and sodomy. Please repost this on your facebook page as these pictures so that others can know of this event, and these crimes happening in Iran.

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