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#421162 Feb 9, 2013
Saban fan wrote:
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Also, why then would Ananias baptize him? If he were saved already - WHY Baptize?
Baptism doesnt save any person. Only the Blood of Jesus saves a Person as it is written, without the shedding of Blood, there is no remission of sin(hebrew 9:22).

if water SAVED any person, then Jesus would not have had to lose His life for the Unsaved.

I realize that you belong to the campbellite cult,and really are sincere in your beliefs, but you are sincerely WRONG.

Ananias baptised Paul thinking that this act would save paul, and he did it in ignorance of the Scriptures, just like your church does today.and the catholics also.

and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

As he neared Damascus on his journey, suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him.

4 He fell to the ground and heard a voice say to him, Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?

5 Who are you, Lord? Saul asked. I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting, he replied.

here Paul acknowledges that Jesus is Lord and his Lord.maing paul a Christian already and a candidatge to be Baptised by ananias, now on the other hand if Paul doesnt acknowledge Jesus as Lord, he would have been a person who just got wet and that would have been it.

speaking for myself, I was Saved on 8/25/82, filled with the Holy Ghost on 8/27/82 and Baptised by water on May 28, 1983.

and speaking for YOU, if you got baptsied by water(whatever day) you still are not a Christian if you are depending on that ritual saving your soul.
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#421163 Feb 9, 2013
Saban fan wrote:
<quoted text>
Also, why then would Ananias baptize him? If he were saved already - WHY Baptize?
You must know that Paul was already saved,.Damascus
Acts 22:16 does not teach that baptism is necessary for salvation?"

the Bible is clear that salvation is by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, not by works of any kind, including baptism (Ephesians 2:8-9). So, any interpretation which comes to the conclusion that baptism, or any other act, is necessary for salvation, is a faulty interpretation.

Acts 22:16, "And now what are you waiting for? Get up, be baptized and wash your sins away, calling on his name."
1. Paul said that he did not receive or hear the Gospel from Ananias, but rather he heard it directly from Christ.
Galatians 1:11-12 says, "For I would have you know, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man. For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but I received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ." So, Paul heard and believed in Christ on the road to Damascus. Paul had already believed in Christ when Ananias came to pray for him to receive his sight (Acts 9:17).

2. It also should be noted that Paul at the time when Ananias prayed for him to receive his sight, he also received the Holy Spirit (Acts 9:17)--this was before he was baptized (Acts 9:18). Acts presents a transition period where God's focus turns from Israel to the Church. The events recorded in Acts are not always normative. With regard to receiving the Holy Spirit, the norm is that a person receives and is permanently indwelt by the Holy Spirit at the moment of salvation.

3. The Greek aorist participle, epikalesamenos, translated "calling on His name" refers either to action that is simultaneous with or before that of the main verb, "be baptized." Here Paul’s calling on Christ’s name for salvation preceded his water baptism. The participle may be translated "having called on His name" which makes more sense, as it would clearly indicate the order of the events.

4. Concerning the words, "be baptized, and wash away your sins," because Paul was already cleansed spiritually at the time Christ appeared to him, these words must refer to the symbolism of baptism. Baptism is a picture of God’s inner work of washing away sin (1 Corinthians 6:11; 1 Peter 3:21).

5. It is also interesting that when Paul recounted this event again later in Acts (Acts 26:12-18), he did not mention Ananias or what Ananias said to him at all. Verse 18 again would confirm the idea that Paul received Christ as Savior on the road to Damascus since here Christ is telling Paul he will be a messenger for Him concerning forgiveness of sins for Gentiles as they have faith in Him. It would seem unlikely that Christ would commission Paul if Paul had not yet believed in Him.

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#421164 Feb 9, 2013
marge wrote:
John answered them all, "I baptize you with water. But one more powerful than I will come, the thongs of whose sandals I am not worthy to untie. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire.
you cant tell these campbellites anything, they think that they know everything
truth

Perth, Australia

#421166 Feb 9, 2013
nazarine
did he say like that..yes yes yes
but
did he say i am light
but
did he help
but
you know dhut up
you try say he not

many nice things happened to people in earthly life to be save..now
how on heaven it is on earth

why is not like that..

many asked who is on my place..yes they posses or reprogram life of others..
we call that lupez=thief tude srece..
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#421167 Feb 9, 2013
Those who believe that baptism is required for salvation are quick to use 1 Peter 3:21 as a “proof text,” because it states “baptism now saves you.” Was Peter really saying that the act of being baptized is what saves us? If he were, he would be contradicting many other passages of Scripture that clearly show people being saved (as evidenced by their receiving the Holy Spirit) prior to being baptized or without being baptized at all (like the thief on the cross in Luke 23:39-43). A good example of someone who was saved before being baptized is Cornelius and his household in Acts 10. We know that they were saved before being baptized because they had received the Holy Spirit, which is the evidence of salvation (Romans 8:9; Ephesians 1:13; 1 John 3:24). The evidence of their salvation was the reason Peter allowed them to be baptized. Countless passages of Scripture clearly teach that salvation comes when one believes in the gospel, at which time he or she is sealed “in Christ with the Holy Spirit of promise”(Ephesians 1:13).

Thankfully, though, we don’t have to guess at what Peter means in this verse because he clarifies that for us with the phrase “not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience.” While Peter is connecting baptism with salvation, it is not the act of being baptized that he is referring to (not the removal of dirt from the flesh). Being immersed in water does nothing but wash away dirt. What Peter is referring to is what baptism represents, which is what saves us (an appeal to God for a good conscience through the resurrection of Jesus Christ). In other words, Peter is simply connecting baptism with belief. It is not the getting-wet part that saves but is the “appeal to God for a clean conscience” which is signified by baptism, that saves us. The appeal to God always comes first. First belief and repentance, then we are baptized to publicly identify ourselves with Christ.
truth

Perth, Australia

#421168 Feb 9, 2013
my feet=fire
45 degree if you put hand there no you don't say it is as it is..then you will say it is in your mind..
no its not in my mind..

one things for certain
when i go in bath
putt feet there how its look
ljepilo =sticky like graveyard body= raspadno stanje tvojih nogu..

my hand in middle start again..how its look
not yet visible like last week..inside you can fill..
Are you for sure its not mind..can be,but not necessary as real point.
My feet in water as you coming from fire..but i look normal..even when i fill that.
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#421169 Feb 9, 2013
Those who hold baptism to be required for salvation point to “born of water” as evidence. As one person has put it,“Jesus describes it and tells him plainly how—by being born of water and the Spirit. This is a perfect description of baptism! Jesus could not have given a more detailed and accurate explanation of baptism.” However, had Jesus actually wanted to say that one must be baptized to be saved, He clearly could have simply stated,“Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is baptized and born of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.” Further, if Jesus had made such a statement, He would have contradicted numerous other Bible passages that make it clear that salvation is by faith (John 3:16; John 3:36; Ephesians 2:8-9; Titus 3:5).
We should also not lose sight of the fact that when Jesus was speaking to Nicodemus, the ordinance of Christian baptism was not yet in effect. This important inconsistency in interpreting Scripture is seen when one asks those who believe baptism is required for salvation why the thief on the cross did not need to be baptized to be saved. A common reply to that question is:“The thief on the cross was still under the Old Covenant and therefore not subject to this baptism. He was saved just like anyone else under the Old Covenant.” So, in essence, the same people who say the thief did not need to be baptized because he was “under the Old Covenant” will use John 3:5 as “proof” that baptism is necessary for salvation. They insist that Jesus is telling Nicodemus that he must be baptized to be saved, even though he too was under the Old Covenant. If the thief on the cross was saved without being baptized (because he was under the Old Covenant), why would Jesus tell Nicodemus (who was also under the Old Covenant) that he needed to be baptized?
If “being born of water and the Spirit” is not referring to baptism, then what does it mean? Traditionally, there have been two interpretations of this phrase. The first is that being “born of water” is being used by Jesus to refer to natural birth (with water referring to the amniotic fluid that surrounds the baby in the womb) and that being born of the “Spirit” indicates spiritual birth. While that is certainly a possible interpretation of the term “born of water” and would seem to fit the context of Nicodemus’ question about how a man could be born “when he is old,” it is not the best interpretation given the context of this passage. After all, Jesus was not talking about the difference between natural birth and spiritual birth. What He was doing was explaining to Nicodemus his need to be “born from above” or “born again.”
cont
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#421170 Feb 9, 2013
cont
The second common interpretation of this passage and the one that best fits the overall context, not only of this passage but of the Bible as a whole, is the one that sees the phrase “born of water and the Spirit” as both describing different aspects of the same spiritual birth, or of what it means to be “born again” or “born from above.” So, when Jesus told Nicodemus that he must “be born of water and the Spirit,” He was not referring to literal water (i.e. baptism or the amniotic fluid in the womb), but was referring to the need for spiritual cleansing or renewal. Throughout the Old Testament (Psalm 51:2,7; Ezekiel 36:25) and the New Testament (John 13:10; 15:3; 1 Corinthians 6:11; Hebrews 10:22), water is often used figuratively of spiritual cleansing or regeneration that is brought forth by the Holy Spirit, through the Word of God, at the moment of salvation (Ephesians 5:26; Titus 3:5).
The Barclay Daily Study Bible describes this concept in this way:“There are two thoughts here. Water is the symbol of cleansing. When Jesus takes possession of our lives, when we love Him with all our heart, the sins of the past are forgiven and forgotten. The Spirit is the symbol of power. When Jesus takes possession of our lives it is not only that the past is forgotten and forgiven; if that were all, we might well proceed to make the same mess of life all over again; but into life there enters a new power which enables us to be what by ourselves we could never be and to do what by ourselves we could never do. Water and the Spirit stand for the cleansing and the strengthening power of Christ, which wipes out the past and gives victory in the future.”
Therefore, the “water” mentioned in this verse is not literal physical water but rather the “living water” Jesus promised the woman at the well in John 4:10 and the people in Jerusalem in John 7:37-39. It is the inward purification and renewal produced by the Holy Spirit that brings forth spiritual life to a dead sinner (Ezekiel 36:25-27; Titus 3:5). Jesus reinforces this truth in John 3:7 when He restates that one must be born again and that this newness of life can only be produced by the Holy Spirit (John 3:8).
There are several reasons why this is the correct interpretation of the phrase “born of water and the Spirit.” First of all, we should note that the Greek word translated “again” has two possible meanings. The first one is “again,” and the second one is “from above.” Nicodemus apparently assumed the first meaning “again” and found that idea incomprehensible. That is why he could not understand how as a grown man he could re-enter his mother’s womb and be “born again” physically. Therefore, Jesus restates what He had just told Nicodemus in a different way so that it would be clear He was referring to being “born from above.” In other words, both “born from above” and “born of water and Spirit” are two ways of saying the same thing.
Second, it is important to note the Greek grammar in this verse would seem to indicate “being born of water” and “being born of the Spirit” are thought of as one item, not two. Therefore, it is not speaking of two separate births, as Nicodemus incorrectly thought, but of one birth, that of being “born from above” or the spiritual birth that is necessary for anyone to “see the kingdom of God.” This need for one to be “born again,” or to experience spiritual birth, is so important that Jesus tells Nicodemus of its necessity three different times in this passage of Scripture (John 3:3, 3:5, 3:7).
Third, water is often used symbolically in the Bible to refer to the work of the Holy Spirit in sanctifying a believer, whereby God cleanses and purifies the believer’s heart or soul. In many places in both the Old and New Testaments, the work of the Holy Spirit is compared to water (Isaiah 44:3; John 7:38-39).
cont
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#421171 Feb 9, 2013
cont
Jesus rebukes Nicodemus in John 3:10 by asking him:“Are you the teacher of Israel, and do not understand these things?” This implies that what Jesus had just told him was something Nicodemus should have known and understood from the Old Testament. What is it that Nicodemus, as a teacher of the Old Testament, should have known and understood? It is that God had promised in the Old Testament a time was coming in which He would:“sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols. Moreover, I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; and I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will be careful to observe My ordinances.”(Ezekiel 36:25-27). Jesus rebuked Nicodemus because he failed to recall and understand one of the key Old Testament passages pertaining to the New Covenant (Jeremiah 31:33). Nicodemus should have been expecting this. Why would Jesus have rebuked Nicodemus for not understanding baptism considering the fact that baptism is nowhere mentioned in the Old Testament?
While this verse does not teach baptism is required for salvation, we should be careful not to neglect baptism’s importance. Baptism is the sign or the symbol for what takes place when one is born again. Baptism’s importance should not be downplayed or minimized. However, baptism does not save us. What saves us is the cleansing work of the Holy Spirit, when we are born again and regenerated by the Holy Spirit (Titus 3:5).
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socci

El Dorado Springs, MO

#421172 Feb 9, 2013
babel wrote:
my feet=fire
45 degree if you put hand there no you don't say it is as it is..then you will say it is in your mind..
no its not in my mind..
one things for certain
when i go in bath
putt feet there how its look
ljepilo =sticky like graveyard body= raspadno stanje tvojih nogu..
my hand in middle start again..how its look
not yet visible like last week..inside you can fill..
Are you for sure its not mind..can be,but not necessary as real point.
My feet in water as you coming from fire..but i look normal..even when i fill that.

This is why Roman Church is called Babylon.

LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#421173 Feb 9, 2013
To all the catholic's on this thread, Jesus could be talking to you as He talked to Nicodemus.

Jesus rebukes Nicodemus in John 3:10 by asking him:“Are you the teacher of Israel, and do not understand these things?” This implies that what Jesus had just told him was something Nicodemus should have known and understood from the Old Testament. What is it that Nicodemus, as a teacher of the Old Testament, should have known and understood? It is that God had promised in the Old Testament a time was coming in which He would:“sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols. Moreover, I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; and I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will be careful to observe My ordinances.”(Ezekiel 36:25-27). Jesus rebuked Nicodemus because he failed to recall and understand one of the key Old Testament passages pertaining to the New Covenant (Jeremiah 31:33). Nicodemus should have been expecting this. Why would Jesus have rebuked Nicodemus for not understanding baptism considering the fact that baptism is nowhere mentioned in the Old Testament?
While this verse does not teach baptism is required for salvation, we should be careful not to neglect baptism’s importance. Baptism is the sign or the symbol for what takes place when one is born again. Baptism’s importance should not be downplayed or minimized. However, baptism does not save us. What saves us is the cleansing work of the Holy Spirit, when we are born again and regenerated by the Holy Spirit (Titus 3:5).

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#421174 Feb 9, 2013
I am glad that God will deal with us to get Baptised. as I said, with my neck the way it is, i didnt want someone shoving me backwards, but God continue to show me that it would be okay. and in may 1983, I went down to hear my Pastor preach at his fathers church, and of course, he preached on being Baptised, and he didnt know that I was coming down, but God knew.

and that sunday afternoon, God really blessed that day.
socci

El Dorado Springs, MO

#421175 Feb 9, 2013
LTM wrote:
To all the catholic's on this thread, Jesus could be talking to you as He talked to Nicodemus.
Jesus rebukes Nicodemus in John 3:10

The gnostic Nicolaitanes too, in the book of Revelation Jesus says:

2:6 But this you have, that you hate the deeds of the Nicolaitanes, which I also hate.

2:15 So have you also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes, which thing I hate.

2:16 Repent; or else I will come to you quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.
socci

El Dorado Springs, MO

#421176 Feb 9, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
I am glad that God will deal with us to get Baptised. as I said, with my neck the way it is, i didnt want someone shoving me backwards, but God continue to show me that it would be okay. and in may 1983, I went down to hear my Pastor preach at his fathers church, and of course, he preached on being Baptised, and he didnt know that I was coming down, but God knew.
and that sunday afternoon, God really blessed that day.

Did you get baptized? Great! Me too, about 14 years ago.

Here's a little book why baptism is needed..

• Baptism: Is It really Necessary?

http://abc.eznettools.net/mobxpozd/baptism.ht...

truth

Perth, Australia

#421177 Feb 9, 2013
socci will save this world..he is god of what?
Can we know..its very nice know you are save others not.
Its free will have life..we have rights on this life others according justice judging and oppose what so ever..but time will come for them too.

reprogram..no no no you don't need except that..its not belong to you..as well other evil people try posses what is not belong for them..i hope..general destruction will come as they wish because possessors is not CREATOR..I mean real Creator.

kolo srece uokolo se okrece

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#421178 Feb 9, 2013
socci wrote:
<quoted text>
Did you get baptized? Great! Me too, about 14 years ago.
Here's a little book why baptism is needed..
• Baptism: Is It really Necessary?
http://abc.eznettools.net/mobxpozd/baptism.ht...
yes, of course, I got Baptised. nine months and three days after I was Saved, and nine months and one day after I was baptised with the Holy Ghost.just to inform everyone, I believe that when a person gets saved they receive the Spirit of Christ, this is different than Being Baptised in the Holy Ghost.
truth

Perth, Australia

#421179 Feb 9, 2013
repent we say ..izmisljotina..posessors can't wait they liked posess everuthing for themself what is not belong to them

why you on hurry izmisljotino.
Is that very rood tell others..one way yes..on other way not..depend hpow you understood.
an en in on
at it

izmisljotina=innovation ''in''

now in=within izmisljotina
izmisljotina=uvreda=as you hurt others
in reality not
izmisljas=innovation

o jedna izmisljotino tko ce ti se vjerovati..yes izmisljotina=innovation visible and not invisible

Did we have warning about izmisljotina=innovation?

yes yes yes
vanity vanity vanity
eccelestic
ece +n=nece=no

Izmisljotina=innovation=your first prophets long time ago see and call izmisljotina..that and that and many prophets don't have words describe your izmisljotina=innovation..no..n ow you call that buble buble game..
Saban fan

Decatur, AL

#421180 Feb 9, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>Baptism doesnt save any person. Only the Blood of Jesus saves a Person as it is written, without the shedding of Blood, there is no remission of sin(hebrew 9:22).
if water SAVED any person, then Jesus would not have had to lose His life for the Unsaved.
I realize that you belong to the campbellite cult,and really are sincere in your beliefs, but you are sincerely WRONG.
Ananias baptised Paul thinking that this act would save paul, and he did it in ignorance of the Scriptures, just like your church does today.and the catholics also.
and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
As he neared Damascus on his journey, suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him.
4 He fell to the ground and heard a voice say to him, Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?
5 Who are you, Lord? Saul asked. I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting, he replied.
here Paul acknowledges that Jesus is Lord and his Lord.maing paul a Christian already and a candidatge to be Baptised by ananias, now on the other hand if Paul doesnt acknowledge Jesus as Lord, he would have been a person who just got wet and that would have been it.
speaking for myself, I was Saved on 8/25/82, filled with the Holy Ghost on 8/27/82 and Baptised by water on May 28, 1983.
and speaking for YOU, if you got baptsied by water(whatever day) you still are not a Christian if you are depending on that ritual saving your soul.
The demons knew Jesus was Lord, right? We're they saved?
Only through the blood of Christ does my baptism have any meaning - I'll agree with you there.
Was Noah saved by water? Was Noah saved by the ark?
Was Noah saved by God's grace? Yes!
Did Noah believe in God? Yes. Was that enough to save him, or did he have to have an obedient faith?
Are we saved by God's grace? Yes!
But we, like Noah must have an obedient faith. Why is there so much attention given to baptism in scripture?
truth

Perth, Australia

#421181 Feb 9, 2013
sword=drows
$word=you pay everything today even word=your internet=''in''ternet

nowsword drows..drove..dot to dot..
we call dota as woman have and give to someone who married you..do you understood..no
please tell me why not understood..

dot to dot to dot ..........your every city place house
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...
rivers mountains and so on stay in correction as it is..now
because
it is on earth it is on heaven

why in heaven better
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooo

/=os
s=c=co 15;19
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...

i walk in blue light i walk between them i see man who collecting them is that you Shime..i think he is my friend Orthodox friend he is been married catholic..no no is Jesus look like that..its frozen..but i don't fill cold..i see many many in bags

you have there on window where Jesus stay on Cross.
When i come i sit there where stage mother Mary meet her son.

Are you for sure not will be sini sunce?
Saban fan

Decatur, AL

#421182 Feb 9, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>Baptism doesnt save any person. Only the Blood of Jesus saves a Person as it is written, without the shedding of Blood, there is no remission of sin(hebrew 9:22).
if water SAVED any person, then Jesus would not have had to lose His life for the Unsaved.
I realize that you belong to the campbellite cult,and really are sincere in your beliefs, but you are sincerely WRONG.
Ananias baptised Paul thinking that this act would save paul, and he did it in ignorance of the Scriptures, just like your church does today.and the catholics also.
and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
As he neared Damascus on his journey, suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him.
4 He fell to the ground and heard a voice say to him, Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?
5 Who are you, Lord? Saul asked. I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting, he replied.
here Paul acknowledges that Jesus is Lord and his Lord.maing paul a Christian already and a candidatge to be Baptised by ananias, now on the other hand if Paul doesnt acknowledge Jesus as Lord, he would have been a person who just got wet and that would have been it.
speaking for myself, I was Saved on 8/25/82, filled with the Holy Ghost on 8/27/82 and Baptised by water on May 28, 1983.
and speaking for YOU, if you got baptsied by water(whatever day) you still are not a Christian if you are depending on that ritual saving your soul.
How do you know you were saved?
How do you know you were filled with the Holy Ghost? Did you begin speaking in languages you'd never learned?
Why were you baptized?
Where do you find examples in scripture of conversions that happened in the same sequence as yours?

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