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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 699596 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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#420744 Feb 7, 2013
Dust Storm wrote:
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And they called to Lot,“Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us, that we may KNOW them
Your argument is astoundingly brilliant here. Knew you say means marital relations. So the men in Sodom and Gomorrah didnt know they had to be married to know them or did the bible sanction homosexual marriage and they were secretly married. Your conclusions are sola confusing. lol
you know that this word as used here meant for the men to have sexual intercourse and rapine with what they thought were mere men while in reality they were and did have the ability to destroy them.

in fact, the town became a name forever known in History for this type of deviant behavior.

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#420745 Feb 7, 2013
ReginaM wrote:
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"Michal the daughter of Saul had no children till the day of her death" (2 Sam. 6:23)....And this proves that Michal had children after her death.
POOF!
you are to intelligent to act this stupid, and you know it.

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#420746 Feb 7, 2013
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Anthony MN wrote:
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No, I don't acknowledge they had marital relations after Jesus' birth, and neither do the scriptures.
You are grasping at straws..again..I never said you acknowledged they had martial relations after Jesus' birth!!!!!!!

I said:

The question was asked: What does the word KNEW mean in the vesre?

You said: Marital relations. The verse is saying they didn't have marital relations before she bore a son, it doesn't mean he "knew" her afterwards.

Mah words: So...you acknowledge they had marital relations...per Scripture...Then you say it did not happen before nor after the birth of Christ...so, when did they have intercourse.....

Answer my question....so, when did they have intercourse.....

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#420747 Feb 7, 2013
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Robert F wrote:
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Oxbow
lol...So true. Nor would I believe what you think my religion teaches....
It is better for me to have faith, and then learn.
On this matter...it is not what I think your religion teaches...it is what I know it teaches...and on this matter I fully agree with them..

Then this does not apply to you: Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

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#420748 Feb 7, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
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Wrong. All first born children in that era were called first born regardless of whether there was a second, third, fourth...
pri·mo·gen·i·ture [ pr&#63494;m&#333; jénni ch&#63510;r ] 1.first-born's right of inheritance: the right of the first-born child, usually the [[eldest]] son, to inherit the parents' entire estate
2.first-born status: the state of being the first-born child of a set of parents
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guess that you are wrong.

and in the Bible,the eldest received the blessing and the estate. nothing had changed

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#420749 Feb 7, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
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I can only show you what your religion teaches...I cannot make you believe it...
robert f changes religion more than the kardasians change husbands.
Clay

Melrose Park, IL

#420750 Feb 7, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
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You are grasping at straws..again..I never said you acknowledged they had martial relations after Jesus' birth!!!!!!!
I said:
The question was asked: What does the word KNEW mean in the vesre?
You said: Marital relations. The verse is saying they didn't have marital relations before she bore a son, it doesn't mean he "knew" her afterwards.
Mah words: So...you acknowledge they had marital relations...per Scripture...Then you say it did not happen before nor after the birth of Christ...so, when did they have intercourse.....
Answer my question....so, when did they have intercourse.....
You deny that Jesus is divine.
Does it really matter what your opinion is on anything else?
The Bible ain't yours ox. Its not for you to decide.

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#420751 Feb 7, 2013
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Clay wrote:
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You deny that Jesus is divine.
Does it really matter what your opinion is on anything else?
The Bible ain't yours ox. Its not for you to decide.
Your mud missile missed by a mile!!!! I never denied the Divinity of Christ....

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#420752 Feb 7, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
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Answer;
Gen 8:7 -- the raven "did not return TILL the waters were dried up..." Question: Did the raven return? NO!
Deut 34:6 -- Moses died "and no one knows his grave TILL this day." Question: Have we found Moses' grave? NO!
2 Sam 6:23 -- Michal "had no children TILL the day of her death." Question: Did she have children after she died? NO!
1 Macc 5:54 -- "...not one of them was slain TILL they had returned in peace." Was Judas M and his troops killed when they returned? NO!
Luke 1:80 -- John the B "was in the deserts TILL the day of his manifestation to Israel." Did John the B stay in the desert? YES!(cf. Matt 3:1; Mark 1:3-4; Luke 3:2-4)
John 4:49 -- "Sir, come down BEFORE my child dies!" Did he die? NO!
Rom 8:22 -- "...the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs together UNTIL now." Is it still groaning? YES! <groanI found this for you. it shows the difference between the two words and ther is adifference, slight but adiffereence.

> :)
1 Cor 15:25 -- "For He must reign TILL He has put all enemies under His feet." After all enemies are put away, will Christ be reigning? YES!
Eph 4:12-13 -- "...for the equipping...for the work of ministry.... for the edifying....TILL we all come to the unity of the faith...." Once we become unified, will equipping, ministry, and edification still be necessary? YES!
1 Tim 4:13 -- "TILL I come, give attention to reading, to exhortation, to doctrine." When Paul arrives, no more reading, no more exhorting, no more doctrine? NO!
1 Tim 6:14 -- "....that you keep this commandment without spot, blameless UNTIL our Lord Jesus Christ's appearing..." When Jesus comes back, we should disobey these commandments? NO!
Rev 2:25-26 -- "But hold fast what you have TILL I come. And he who overcomes and keeps My works UNTIL the end, to him I will give power..." Should we stop holding fast and stop obeying when Jesus returns? NO!
http://www.philvaz.com/apologetics/num27.htm
I found this for you. it shows the difference between the two words and there is a difference, slight but a differeence.

But till is perfectly good English and the choice of whether to use it or until is often decided by the rhythm of the sentence.

and the rhythm of the sentence concerning mary and joseph was determined by the time of her cleanliness and purification

throughout the interval extending to : during the whole time from the starting point up to : up or down to a specified time : UNTIL -- used with an implication of termination or change at the time mentioned <till his return> <till after four o'clock> <till next week> <to live till ninety>

“The Black Mermaid”

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#420753 Feb 7, 2013
Catholic Girl wrote:
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Hi, I'm lead to believe she never had relations with Joseph or any other man. during my research for info. about Joseph for my tours at Basilica, I discovered that he was quite old when he married Mary. He was married for 50 yrs. with children and his wife died. In fact when he discovered she was with child, he was going to divorsce her silently and silently because if the village had found this out, they would have stoned her to death. But that night, an angel paid Joseph a visit and set him straight about the child Mary was carrying.
and you know the rest of the story.
peace, and trust in God.
Yes, I remember Mary would have been stoned for her "sin" but Joseph had a dream where an angel told him he could trust Mary's word. Joseph must have been a very loving and compassionate person. But would it have made any difference if he and Mary DID have sex?

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#420754 Feb 7, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
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Yes, well, the bible wasn't written in Kings English. And the King understood it the way Catholics do. Sorry bud.
sorry, but the king undserstood his english and so do we. you do too but you are to much of a coward to admit it.since that goes against all of the lies that you have been taught.

lst night, I showed that the kjv is 'spot on' with teh english transliteration of the Hebrew.

no reason to think it would b e the same with greek and it is.

and the answer to your question is Yes.

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#420755 Feb 7, 2013
Catholic Girl wrote:
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Hi, I'm lead to believe she never had relations with Joseph or any other man. during my research for info. about Joseph for my tours at Basilica, I discovered that he was quite old when he married Mary. He was married for 50 yrs. with children and his wife died. In fact when he discovered she was with child, he was going to divorsce her silently and silently because if the village had found this out, they would have stoned her to death. But that night, an angel paid Joseph a visit and set him straight about the child Mary was carrying.
and you know the rest of the story.
peace, and trust in God.
where did you find this gem of info that Joseph had been married for over 50 years when he married Mary?

common sense tells me this, either you are lying or your info is a lie.

this would have made jospeh over 70 years old, and no doubt to feeble to walk all of the distance down to egypt.

dont people like you have any common sense or did the nums beat that out of you idiots.BTW, I HATE STUPIDITY

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#420756 Feb 7, 2013
never mind I found it. and the article is laugable, now they have old joe at over 90 years old.

now this is really insane to think that old joe could walk all of the way to egypt at that advanced age.lol
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#420757 Feb 7, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
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You are grasping at straws..again..I never said you acknowledged they had martial relations after Jesus' birth!!!!!!!
I said:
The question was asked: What does the word KNEW mean in the vesre?
You said: Marital relations. The verse is saying they didn't have marital relations before she bore a son, it doesn't mean he "knew" her afterwards.
Mah words: So...you acknowledge they had marital relations...per Scripture...Then you say it did not happen before nor after the birth of Christ...so, when did they have intercourse.....
Answer my question....so, when did they have intercourse.....
Not gonna play word games with you. The best way to communicate with you is one or two syllable words and short sentences.

You;

"Mah words: So...you acknowledge they had marital relations...per Scripture."

Me;

No they didn't. Scripture never says they did.

Answer to your question;

They didn't.

End of discussion with you.
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#420758 Feb 7, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>pri·mo·gen·i·ture [ pr&#63494;m&#333; jénni ch&#63510;r ] 1.first-born's right of inheritance: the right of the first-born child, usually the [[eldest]] son, to inherit the parents' entire estate
2.first-born status: the state of being the first-born child of a set of parents
.
guess that you are wrong.
and in the Bible,the eldest received the blessing and the estate. nothing had changed
Wrong. In those times, the first born was still called the first born regardless of whether there were second, third or no more.
7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#420759 Feb 7, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>with your very poor grammar on thsi post, it is difficult to even understand what you are inferring with your [double negative} type of talking.lol
anyway I showed you that an angel did appear [sitting down] and you said none ever did.
7th Day Catholics Rock wrote:
<quoted text>Read your Bible Christ or an Angel never appeared to anyone sitting down ever it is alway standing.
anyway, Liked I said, it was Jesus as God had told me too.
He was not sitting he SAT therefore he was standing to begin with.

No one is here for an English Lesson Percy !!!
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#420760 Feb 7, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>I found this for you. it shows the difference between the two words and there is a difference, slight but a differeence.
But till is perfectly good English and the choice of whether to use it or until is often decided by the rhythm of the sentence.
and the rhythm of the sentence concerning mary and joseph was determined by the time of her cleanliness and purification
throughout the interval extending to : during the whole time from the starting point up to : up or down to a specified time : UNTIL -- used with an implication of termination or change at the time mentioned <till his return> <till after four o'clock> <till next week> <to live till ninety>
Who cares?

Matt. 1:25 - this verse says Joseph knew her "not until ("heos", in Greek)" she bore a son. Some Protestants argue that this proves Joseph had relations with Mary after she bore a son. This is an erroneous reading of the text because "not until" does not mean "did not...until after." "Heos" references the past, never the future. Instead, "not until" she bore a son means "not up to the point that" she bore a son. This confirms that Mary was a virgin when she bore Jesus. Here are other texts that prove "not until" means "not up to the point that":

http://www.scripturecatholic.com/blessed_virg...
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#420761 Feb 7, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>sorry, but the king undserstood his english and so do we. you do too but you are to much of a coward to admit it.since that goes against all of the lies that you have been taught.
lst night, I showed that the kjv is 'spot on' with teh english transliteration of the Hebrew.
no reason to think it would b e the same with greek and it is.
and the answer to your question is Yes.


Wrong.

Matt. 1:25 - this verse says Joseph knew her "not until ("heos", in Greek)" she bore a son. Some Protestants argue that this proves Joseph had relations with Mary after she bore a son. This is an erroneous reading of the text because "not until" does not mean "did not...until after." "Heos" references the past, never the future. Instead, "not until" she bore a son means "not up to the point that" she bore a son. This confirms that Mary was a virgin when she bore Jesus. Here are other texts that prove "not until" means "not up to the point that":

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#420762 Feb 7, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
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On this matter...it is not what I think your religion teaches...it is what I know it teaches...and on this matter I fully agree with them..
Then this does not apply to you: Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
Oxbow

Whatever, you think, you know ontologically speaking, may or may not be true, thus your knowledge and understanding may or may not be true of a thing.

Faith seeks understanding, or in another sense, belief seeks knowledge.

So...,

To know a thing, or the understanding of a truth, is not to know All Things and All Truth from which you make a general statement which is not true...albeit "Then this does not apply to you:..."

You are proved wrong in the single instance of the matter, and in the fuller meaning. Thus you do not understand what is taught by the Church. And your "agreeing" with what the Church teaches is faulty to begin with in your presentation.

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#420763 Feb 7, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>robert f changes religion more than the kardasians change husbands.
preston

lol....Its not the religion that changes, its my beliefs! Beliefs are based in knowledge and experience. Thus as I learn, my beliefs change....

Since your knowledge doesn't change, and you know everything, you remain stuck in your beliefs, and watch everyone changing around you as they learn and pass you by in the race....(smile)

I was just kidding....But you do resist learning you ole....

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