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Melbourne, FL

#420420 Feb 6, 2013
MICHAEL wrote:
<quoted text>
1) If you say you hate perverted priests, they say you hate their church.
2) If you say you aren't catholic, they say you hate God.
3) If you disagree with them, they say you hate their church and you hate God.
Its laughable, how much FEAR they instill in themselves.
I wonder what's worse?

1... Hating their god?

2... Hating their church?

3... Or hating how one of the most powerful institutions on earth acts like a bully and uses its power to block justice for sexually abused orphans?

Personally, I hate boastful, self-righteous bullies.
marge

Ames, IA

#420421 Feb 6, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
You really need to start explaining sola scripture Preston. It seems your entire Christian faith is based on how you...and YOU only see the Bible. That in itself is not Biblical.
How can you base so much on something that was never even taught by Jesus Christ Himself?
But He answered and said, "It is written,'MAN SHALL NOT LIVE ON BREAD ALONE, BUT ON EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDS OUT OF THE MOUTH OF GOD.'"
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#420422 Feb 6, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>you are the idiot that said mary sacrificed her son, not me.
and sorry, but it isnt the least difficult to explain that Jesu was not taken by force. I love the OT but I am well versed in the NT also.unlike you.all a person has to do is read about the garden incident(I aint talking about ricky nelson and the [garden party]either
your words"Those who are born again, know that they must sacrifice themselvs in order for the new creature to live...."
that is about as dumb as clays statement, do you catholics take stupity 202 in your sunday school classes?
tHE "new creature" lives because he died and it is NOTHING THAT WE DO OR HAVE DONE.as every Born Again Chrsitan willa ttest to
ROBERT, YOU TRY AND ACT LIKE YOU ARE SMART AND ALL IT DOES IS SHOW HOW IGNORANT THAT YOU ARE.
Robert does a very good job. This is evident in your frustrations. You been proven in error on your theology.
This has gotta be devastating to someone who's spent their entire lives telling everyone what scripture is saying. Now, rather than admit error, your going to call everyone idiots, including Ignatius; ordained a Bishop by the Apostles.

Hail Mary, full of Grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst woman and Blessed is the fruit of your womb Jesus.
Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death.
Amen.

Since: Jan 08

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#420423 Feb 6, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
You really need to start explaining sola scripture Preston. It seems your entire Christian faith is based on how you...and YOU only see the Bible. That in itself is not Biblical.
How can you base so much on something that was never even taught by Jesus Christ Himself?
what part of luke saying that mary didnt undestand what jesus was saying confuses you. it isnt me saying that she knew, it was robert and those few verses prove he dont know what he is talking about as Oxbor also showed about him.

that last verse explained it self.

Luk 2:50 And they understood not the saying which he spake unto them.

what part of that can you not understand?

does the word[not] mean anything to you, can you understand that?

Mary didnt even know what role her son was going to play in the battle against satan for our very soul, and you catholics are so dumb that you call her a queen of heaven, and the mother of god.
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#420424 Feb 6, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>it is very [UNREASONABLE] THAT GROWN MEN AND WOMEN WOULD ACCOMPANY A WOMEN WHO WAS NOT EVEN RELATED TO HER, ISNT IT?lol.
and yes it is very reasonable why Joseph would not enter into the Holiest of arks, SINCE THERE AINT NO SUCH THING.
are you trying to discuss the Holy of Holies that only a high priest could enter?
so it finally comes out, you catholics do think that God had sex with mary, which still would make Jesus half man/half god.
either way, you dont win with false doctrines.
The Bible says that Jesus was her FIRSTBORN and Joseph did not know her intimately UNTIL she gave birth to Jesus. The Bible does not say that she remained a virgin, nor does the Bible say that Jesus was her only child. This teaching that suggests that Mary remained a virgin is antibiblical. Mary did not remain a virgin. This is for certain.
For a woman to remain a virgin while being married to her husband would be considered a sin by God's standards. God created marriage. The two become one flesh and the bed is undefiled in marriage. Mary and Joseph were married in every sense of the word. Joseph took Mary to be his wife, not a roommate.
Had she remained a virgin her entire married life, this would have been very dysfunctional. It would have displeased her husband and the Lord.
The Bible says that Jesus was her FIRSTBORN and Joseph knew her not
(intimately) TILL she gave birth to Jesus. The Bible specifically says that Jesus had brothers and even mentions their names. Jesus had sisters too.
I would love for any catholic to prove that mary never had any more children.
Actually, the onus is on you to prove it. Its the Catholic Church's Bible. They get to define it and interpret it. They wrote it, compiled it and printed it.
You got guts butting in and telling them how to read it. Heck, you don't even know if its authentically written by the Apostles? Unless the Apostle Paul told your Grandpa to tell you the 27 books in your KJV Bible are authentic?
For the record, the Bible does not say Mary gave birth to ANYONE but Jesus Christ.
Other than that, you'd be correct in saying that the Bible does not detail her entire life.
marge

Ames, IA

#420425 Feb 6, 2013
He humbled you, causing you to hunger and then feeding you with manna, which neither you nor your fathers had known, to teach you that man does not live on bread alone but on every word that comes from the mouth of the LORD.

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#420426 Feb 6, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>so tell us robert when you received the Holy spirit and dont say that you cant remeber. a special Spirtiual Experience likle that a person never forgets and if you did, why have you drifted in and out of your religion.
and just reading your drivel convinces us that you havent received Him when you say that the fruit of the spirit is given to other people also. it isnt any wonder that I consider you a flake( a nice guy but a flake).
Jesus made it clear in that seventh chapter of John that the holy Spirit is only given to those that Believe in Him so that makes you a liar. robert.
preston

I am sorry preston. But when one accepts the Holy Spirit, one generally doesn't take down the date, and the hour. I leave that to the temporally minded.

I would rather not describe my experience on this sort of forum, not because of fear or ridicule, but rather depending upon an experience is more a belief, than it is of faith. And I accept that my beliefs change as my understanding changes.

(By the way. John7. I see nothing about a strict, or literal interpretation that the Spirit is given to ONLY those that believe on him....But of course you would. I would that you could see.)

I will keep praying for you.
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#420427 Feb 6, 2013
marge wrote:
<quoted text>
But He answered and said, "It is written,'MAN SHALL NOT LIVE ON BREAD ALONE, BUT ON EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDS OUT OF THE MOUTH OF GOD.'"
Who said the New Testament is the Bible? The Roman Catholic Church.
Who organized it and decided all those books belonged in the Bible?
The Roman Catholic Church.
They get to define it.
And they did just that. You and the conspiracy christians are nuts.

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#420428 Feb 6, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Robert does a very good job. This is evident in your frustrations. You been proven in error on your theology.
This has gotta be devastating to someone who's spent their entire lives telling everyone what scripture is saying. Now, rather than admit error, your going to call everyone idiots, including Ignatius; ordained a Bishop by the Apostles.
Hail Mary, full of Grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst woman and Blessed is the fruit of your womb Jesus.
Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death.
Amen.
clay, almost every thing that robert says, I contradict with the Word of God.for instance he just said that all people have the fruits of the Spirit when only Christians are given the spirit of Christ. as far as iggie, what you catholics have made him into,i call a idiot just as I do catholic mary who is not the Mary in the bible.

and the Bible does not say, hail mary full of grace.

Luke 1:28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

Notice that the Biblical text does not say, "Hail Mary full of grace..." This is a misinterpretation of the Greek text.

The Greek word for "highly favoured" means "to grace, that is, indue with special honor:- make accepted, be highly favoured." God gave this special honor to Mary to bear the Messiah. To Grace...not "full of grace."

so why do you make the bible of little value and cheapen it so with these lies told about mary?

as far as my whole life, afraid not, I have only been a christian 30 out of my seventy years.but I do admit as to being brought up in a christian home attending sunday class and studying the Bible from the time that I was around 4 or 5, albeit it was in the form of comic type. but I learned much that way and when i grew up, I didnt depart from that way(and i am getting blessed by the lord.)

but I must admit some frustration with robert being as stupid as he is, this does frustrate me. my wife and many others have told me how patient that I am to teach people in simple terms the Gospel, but robert doesnt even understand that.

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#420429 Feb 6, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>lets look at what God says about mary. not robert.
Luk 2:48 And when they saw him, they were amazed: and his mother said unto
him, Son, why hast thou thus dealt with us? behold, thy father and I have sought
thee sorrowing.
Luk 2:49 And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I
must be about my Father's business?
Luk 2:50 And they understood not the saying which he spake unto them.
This alone proves that Mary did not fully understand the mission that Jesus was to fulfill.
looks like robert is either ignorant or lying. one or the other. both wrong in the eyes of God.
I understand his humanity and how it evolves,something you dont robert f.lol look at how the embryo begins to function as part of the woman(humanity)
preston

You are making an assumption about Joseph and Blessed Mary, about what they were thinking in Luke 2

The opposite assumption is more probable. They feared that Jesus' time had come. And that his disappearance was the doing of God taking him away as a sacrifice, and went back to the Temple after 3 days(remember Jesus was dead 3 days). And so they were sorrowful, even as his Blessed Mother was in sorrow when she looked upon Him on the Cross.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#420430 Feb 6, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Of Course Christ crushed Satan by going to the Cross.
Your use fo metaphors to promote any truths is horrendous.

First off - no where in the "passion" did Jesus "crush Satan" while "going to the Cross".

Otherwise, it would have been written in the Bible, or Mel would've used it in his movie.

Since neither occurred, its not there.

Please stop misleading using your own fears.

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#420431 Feb 6, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh don't feel sorry for me Chuck. Im not the one lost in the world of scripture alone!
Of Course Christ crushed Satan by going to the Cross. But He DID need help from Mary. We all did. Had she said no to the Angel, Christ would not have come into this world. Hello??
clay, why are you acting so silly? if it hadnt been mary, it would have been anotehr young maiden. to think that God couldnt ahv e brought Jesus into this world without mary is not in agreement with the wor of God. and i am glad that I dont know the limited god that you catholics know. my God can do anything. he is God. He can make teh rocks stand up and proclaim Jesu is Lord, if he can do this and he can, he could easily replace mary.

For with God nothing shall be impossible.
luke 1:37.

everything that you say, i prove you dont have a clue about the Power of God.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#420432 Feb 6, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>
I would love for any catholic to prove that mary never had any more children.
You are asking for something that even you can't prove, except through the use of men and what they wrote.

Does thsi really matter when and if Christianity is supposed to be a following of what Jesus taught?

if one is to only utilize what he taught - then his birth monther, whether she had other children, etc., is really irrelevant.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#420433 Feb 6, 2013
New Age wrote:
'if one is to only utilize what he taught - then his birth monther, whether she had other children, etc., is really irrelevant."

To add briefly....

If one is to perpetuate a worshipping of Mary and what nots, it only goes to show that Christianity as a whole, revels in many other individuals besides Jesus, when they promote only Jesus.

You and the others on this forum, are slowly showing that you are no more "Christian" than I am.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#420434 Feb 6, 2013
marge wrote:
He humbled you, causing you to hunger and then feeding you with manna, which neither you nor your fathers had known, to teach you that man does not live on bread alone but on every word that comes from the mouth of the LORD.
And you mimic others, without having a single clue on why you do.
Clay

United States

#420435 Feb 6, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>clay, almost every thing that robert says, I contradict with the Word of God.for instance he just said that all people have the fruits of the Spirit when only Christians are given the spirit of Christ. as far as iggie, what you catholics have made him into,i call a idiot just as I do catholic mary who is not the Mary in the bible.
and the Bible does not say, hail mary full of grace.
Luke 1:28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.
Notice that the Biblical text does not say, "Hail Mary full of grace..." This is a misinterpretation of the Greek text.
The Greek word for "highly favoured" means "to grace, that is, indue with special honor:- make accepted, be highly favoured." God gave this special honor to Mary to bear the Messiah. To Grace...not "full of grace."
so why do you make the bible of little value and cheapen it so with these lies told about mary?
as far as my whole life, afraid not, I have only been a christian 30 out of my seventy years.but I do admit as to being brought up in a christian home attending sunday class and studying the Bible from the time that I was around 4 or 5, albeit it was in the form of comic type. but I learned much that way and when i grew up, I didnt depart from that way(and i am getting blessed by the lord.)
but I must admit some frustration with robert being as stupid as he is, this does frustrate me. my wife and many others have told me how patient that I am to teach people in simple terms the Gospel, but robert doesnt even understand that.
The bible is not as simple as you guys make it out to be. If fact, its just the opposite. It should be read in the form of topology; a geometric connection from the OT flowing into the NT. This is how you begin to understand Catholicism.
Christ started a Church. This Church added 27 books to the Hebrew books. It didn't replace the OT with a NT.
LTM

Sudbury, Canada

#420436 Feb 6, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, the onus is on you to prove it. Its the Catholic Church's Bible. They get to define it and interpret it. They wrote it, compiled it and printed it.
You got guts butting in and telling them how to read it. Heck, you don't even know if its authentically written by the Apostles? Unless the Apostle Paul told your Grandpa to tell you the 27 books in your KJV Bible are authentic?
For the record, the Bible does not say Mary gave birth to ANYONE but Jesus Christ.
Other than that, you'd be correct in saying that the Bible does not detail her entire life.
Unbelieveable, are you for real Clay. Salvation is from the Jews.
It also was Jews who, by inspiration of God wrote the Holy Scriptures.
You got guts taken credit for what the Holy Spirit has done.

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#420437 Feb 6, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, the onus is on you to prove it. Its the Catholic Church's Bible. They get to define it and interpret it. They wrote it, compiled it and printed it.
You got guts butting in and telling them how to read it. Heck, you don't even know if its authentically written by the Apostles? Unless the Apostle Paul told your Grandpa to tell you the 27 books in your KJV Bible are authentic?
For the record, the Bible does not say Mary gave birth to ANYONE but Jesus Christ.
Other than that, you'd be correct in saying that the Bible does not detail her entire life.
guess that you havent read my testimony about my KJV but I will gladly give it again.

when i was first saved, the Lord woke me up and told me to call cathie and when i did she started crying and telling me about her dad, who was not well.when i walked out of my home, the Lord told me to take my Bible that I would need it.when I walked into the ICU, kessler was making a lot of noise and having a hard time breathing. and God told me to kneel and place one hand on him and the other on my Bible. when i began to pray, the Power from that Bible flowed into me and thru me into him.he then began to breath better and settle down.

my kjv was proven to me that day by God, i need no more, and I dont use any other, tho I have a jewish Scripture Bible, and it is in alignment with my kjv.

and for the record, the bible doesnt say that Mary remained a virgin her whole life either. and the fact was this. they were Married, and not to have had more children would have been a sin in the eyes of the lord, and mary was a good jewish woman and loved the Lord so she would have hand many more. the women were commanded by God to multiply, to fail to obey God would have been a sin,now if you love God and mary, you wouldnt want her to be a sinful woman, would you? and to claim that she remained childless you infer that she lived in sin

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#420438 Feb 6, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>you are the idiot that said mary sacrificed her son, not me.
and sorry, but it isnt the least difficult to explain that Jesu was not taken by force. I love the OT but I am well versed in the NT also.unlike you.all a person has to do is read about the garden incident(I aint talking about ricky nelson and the [garden party]either
your words"Those who are born again, know that they must sacrifice themselvs in order for the new creature to live...."
that is about as dumb as clays statement, do you catholics take stupity 202 in your sunday school classes?
tHE "new creature" lives because he died and it is NOTHING THAT WE DO OR HAVE DONE.as every Born Again Chrsitan willa ttest to
ROBERT, YOU TRY AND ACT LIKE YOU ARE SMART AND ALL IT DOES IS SHOW HOW IGNORANT THAT YOU ARE.
preston

2 Cor 5 17
" Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new."

You have to replace the "old creature" if there is a new creature. One is born-again if they are a man in Christ....The old creature must be dead. The only way to do that is to die. To sacrifice oneself totally to Jesus....

You cannot because of your belief(which is based in exerience and thinking in the "old" man), that Jesus is some ontological duplicate of mankind. I know you have the faith. You just need to let go of your way of thinking so that it can be transformed by Christ.

Romans 12 2 "And be not conformed to this world: but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God."

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#420439 Feb 6, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
362 231 213
<quoted text>
Thank you...but no help needed....I can plainly see there is no Scripture that even hints of Mary "offering her son as a sacrifice".....
It does teach: For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Your presentation of all of Isaiah 53 and all of Luke 1, as teaching that Mary offered up her Son as a sacrifice is evident of your total lack of lucidity...
Oxbow

I am happy for you in your new found faith.

Stepping away and getting various viewpoints is the sign of a healthy mind.

We may believe differently, as our experiences dictate.

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