Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 590180 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Dust Storm

Minneapolis, MN

#420196 Feb 5, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
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He's right. I won't be pasting stories of abuse in protestant communities anymore.
Well I cant speak to what Fr. Rob may have meant. However if you are throwing a stone just for the sake of throwing a stone then I would agree. However, if we are to avoid the perception of its a uniquely Catholic issue which is what is portrayed then it is better for everyone to acknowledge the facts. Otherwise isnt failure to acknowledge or take action elsewhere because its only a Catholic issue contribute to the problem? You want to go after the perpetrators alone and not just the insitution then fine. If you want to go after people who listened to psychiatrists fine, but then lets have a universal policy and also psychologists held accountable, police, school administrators etc. So here we have the BBC which mercilessly attacked the church, but when its discovered one of their own abused about 460 children known the head of the BBC knew nothing. He didnt even know anything about the contents of a letter which he hired an attorney to draft.

http://blogs.ssrc.org/tif/2012/07/13/placing-...


A Dutch commission has found that sexual abuse of children after they have been forcibly taken from troubled homes and put into state-funded institutions is common. It estimates around 23 percent of such children are abused - more than three times the national average.

The commission was set up in May 2010 during a similar investigation into Catholic boarding homes.

Chairwoman Rieke Samson said Monday the commission has since received more than 800 complaints, some dating back decades, and referred 42 of them to prosecutors.

The commission found that more than half of abuse came at the hands of other, often older children.

Adult men were the abusers in around two-thirds of the remaining cases, while girls made up two-thirds of victims.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/dutch-commis...
truth

Perth, Australia

#420197 Feb 5, 2013
they play with fetus of unborn child..they claim its not alive

every cell is alive

nowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
its collective organization in darkness

pray
its look nice
in middle hands

oh

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#420198 Feb 5, 2013
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
Mark 3:21
21 When his <<<family>>> heard about this, they went to take charge of him, for they said,“He is out of his mind.”
Mark 3:21
21 And when his <<<kinsfolks> >> heard of it, they went out to lay hold on him: for they said that he was beside himself.
Mark 3:21
21 When his <<<family>>> heard what was happening, they came to take control of him. They were saying,“He’s out of his mind!”
Mark 3:21
21 And when <<<his kinsmen>>> had heard, they went out to hold him; for they said, That he is turned into madness.
*****
2 Corinthians 5:13
13 If we are “out of our mind,” as some say, it is for God; if we are in our right mind, it is for you.
*****
Christ was possessed of one great propelling idea—to do his Father’s will.
Jesus characterized the worldly, disobedient person as blind, as sheep without a shepherd, foolishly going down a road to self-destruction of his own soul.
Who is really mad?
Truth

I agree with you here. Some like preston consider that Jesus' kinsfolk are mocking Jesus here calling him out of his mind. But I just can't see it like that.

I see his kin as being concerned for Jesus' health and safety, and the expression used here is a bit more dramtic in the story, to show how extreme the situation exists.

The question is as Jesus was concerned for eternal salvation for humanity, is that a sane thing for God to demonstrate? In the post ressurrection world, we of course say ,"Yes." But before the glory of Jesus revelation of the Father it would be very difficult to see....
truth

Perth, Australia

#420199 Feb 5, 2013
first i see like tears on my left hand under skin
like pure water..yes then suddenly wounds around over 5cm over my wrist..its been last week..

as hot tears

burning tears
Chuck

Dublin, OH

#420200 Feb 5, 2013
Robert F wrote:
<quoted text>
Truth
I agree with you here. Some like preston consider that Jesus' kinsfolk are mocking Jesus here calling him out of his mind. But I just can't see it like that.
I see his kin as being concerned for Jesus' health and safety, and the expression used here is a bit more dramtic in the story, to show how extreme the situation exists.
The question is as Jesus was concerned for eternal salvation for humanity, is that a sane thing for God to demonstrate? In the post ressurrection world, we of course say ,"Yes." But before the glory of Jesus revelation of the Father it would be very difficult to see....
Robert...question for you

besides the obvious(Jesus' mother) what is the difference between some like Abraham and Mary? Weren't they both faithful servants of God?

God said of Abraham: Now the Lord said to Abram,“Go from your country and your kindred and your father's house to the land that I will show you. And I will make of you a great nation, and I will bless you and make your name great, so that you will be a blessing.
ReginaM

Middletown, NJ

#420201 Feb 5, 2013
Dust Storm wrote:
<quoted text>
Well I cant speak to what Fr. Rob may have meant. However if you are throwing a stone just for the sake of throwing a stone then I would agree. However, if we are to avoid the perception of its a uniquely Catholic issue which is what is portrayed then it is better for everyone to acknowledge the facts. Otherwise isnt failure to acknowledge or take action elsewhere because its only a Catholic issue contribute to the problem? You want to go after the perpetrators alone and not just the insitution then fine. If you want to go after people who listened to psychiatrists fine, but then lets have a universal policy and also psychologists held accountable, police, school administrators etc. So here we have the BBC which mercilessly attacked the church, but when its discovered one of their own abused about 460 children known the head of the BBC knew nothing. He didnt even know anything about the contents of a letter which he hired an attorney to draft.
http://blogs.ssrc.org/tif/2012/07/13/placing-...
A Dutch commission has found that sexual abuse of children after they have been forcibly taken from troubled homes and put into state-funded institutions is common. It estimates around 23 percent of such children are abused - more than three times the national average.
The commission was set up in May 2010 during a similar investigation into Catholic boarding homes.
Chairwoman Rieke Samson said Monday the commission has since received more than 800 complaints, some dating back decades, and referred 42 of them to prosecutors.
The commission found that more than half of abuse came at the hands of other, often older children.
Adult men were the abusers in around two-thirds of the remaining cases, while girls made up two-thirds of victims.
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/dutch-commis...
I'm going to chime in here, hope you don't mind. I agree with what you're saying and am of the mind that the problems within the Church are bad enough without the lies, distortions, and exaggerations that most non-Catholics indulge in. To dispute a lie, to even the playing field by bringing in a reality check is in no way pointing a finger. Sorry, but that sounds far too 'politically correct' for my blood. Calling a spade a spade is not sinful. In looking at a particular time period, the 70s, 80s, and even 90s produced far too many 'let's be nice' liberals in the Church. That's what caused most of the problems to begin with. Please, let's not perpetuate it. Thankfully, the Church has finally condemned Wonder-Bread Masses....they're invalid and illicit. To support a revival would be disastrous.
truth

Perth, Australia

#420202 Feb 5, 2013
Who is better then us?

they liked posses everything
before Jesus come

Are you for sure possessors is Creator?
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#420203 Feb 5, 2013
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
Your anti-catholic "heretical condemning and judgemental preaching does NOT offend us either. It ONLY CONFIRMS for us Catholics that the TRUTH has, is and will continue to be in Jesus Christ, His OWN spoken words in the Gospel of Matthew 16 regarding His One True Church and the Eucharist in John 6:47-59 regarding His TRUE BODY AND BLOOD ----and----in His One (and only)True Apostolic Catholic Church, that Our Lord, historically and biblically gave to us. You, Confriniting can quote (or better yet-misquote) and mis-interpret, one bible verse after another, but that "does not", "can no", "nor ever will" make you a Christian.......... The Devil,(in the 3 temptations of Christ) was "very good at" quoting scripture to Jesus, in Luke 4:1-13. God has not in the past, is not in the present, nor "ever will be" in the future, the author of your bible only Protestant "chaos and confusion" of 42,000+ conflicting and contradicting interpretations of the bible.
HOJO says.....

...Your anti-catholic "heretical condemning and judgemental preaching does NOT offend us either.

....but that "does not", "can no", "nor ever will" make you a Christian....

..The DEVIL!..the author of your bible only Protestant "chaos and confusion" of 42,001+ conflicting and contradicting interpretations.

----------

MICHAEL says.......Come on HOJO! tells us how you really feel?
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#420204 Feb 5, 2013
ReginaM wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm going to chime in here, hope you don't mind. I agree with what you're saying and am of the mind that the problems within the Church are bad enough without the lies, distortions, and exaggerations that most non-Catholics indulge in. To dispute a lie, to even the playing field by bringing in a reality check is in no way pointing a finger. Sorry, but that sounds far too 'politically correct' for my blood. Calling a spade a spade is not sinful. In looking at a particular time period, the 70s, 80s, and even 90s produced far too many 'let's be nice' liberals in the Church. That's what caused most of the problems to begin with. Please, let's not perpetuate it. Thankfully, the Church has finally condemned Wonder-Bread Masses....they're invalid and illicit. To support a revival would be disastrous.
Regina M. says......
. I agree with what you're saying and am of the mind that the problems within the Church are bad enough! without the lies, distortions, and exaggerations that most non-Catholics indulge in.

Michael says.

OK ReginaM. Please tell us what lies, distortions and exaggerations are being made?

You made the statement, back up what you claim?

.....Yes the problems in your church are bad enough and catholics like you have done nothing to stop them. Nothing I say!

Remember you pay all the bills of your church. You pay the salaries/benefits of the clergy in your diocese, including all the bad ones. You pay the light and heat bills. You pay for the candles, carpeting, stain glass windows, incense. Shouldn't you expect more from them? Shouldn't catholics be more proactive in finding out what the hell has been going on instead of deflecting the blame on people exposing these sinful characters?

Get your priorities straight. Roll up your sleeves and start demanding accountability. Remember the followers pay all the freight.

No one is saying anything bad about your church. Just the bad apples.

MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#420205 Feb 5, 2013
Dust Storm wrote:
<quoted text>
Well I cant speak to what Fr. Rob may have meant. However if you are throwing a stone just for the sake of throwing a stone then I would agree. However, if we are to avoid the perception of its a uniquely Catholic issue which is what is portrayed then it is better for everyone to acknowledge the facts. Otherwise isnt failure to acknowledge or take action elsewhere because its only a Catholic issue contribute to the problem? You want to go after the perpetrators alone and not just the insitution then fine. If you want to go after people who listened to psychiatrists fine, but then lets have a universal policy and also psychologists held accountable, police, school administrators etc. So here we have the BBC which mercilessly attacked the church, but when its discovered one of their own abused about 460 children known the head of the BBC knew nothing. He didnt even know anything about the contents of a letter which he hired an attorney to draft.
http://blogs.ssrc.org/tif/2012/07/13/placing-...
A Dutch commission has found that sexual abuse of children after they have been forcibly taken from troubled homes and put into state-funded institutions is common. It estimates around 23 percent of such children are abused - more than three times the national average.
The commission was set up in May 2010 during a similar investigation into Catholic boarding homes.
Chairwoman Rieke Samson said Monday the commission has since received more than 800 complaints, some dating back decades, and referred 42 of them to prosecutors.
The commission found that more than half of abuse came at the hands of other, often older children.
Adult men were the abusers in around two-thirds of the remaining cases, while girls made up two-thirds of victims.
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/dutch-commis...
Lets be clear.

....... Put all guilty perpitrators away so they don't harm anyone again. That includes anyone from any profession and that includes ANYONE who had first hand knowledge of these crimes who LIED, DECEIVED and COVERED up these crimes to protect the perptitrators and their institution.

Do you agree?
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#420206 Feb 5, 2013
Dust Storm wrote:
<quoted text>
Well I cant speak to what Fr. Rob may have meant. However if you are throwing a stone just for the sake of throwing a stone then I would agree. However, if we are to avoid the perception of its a uniquely Catholic issue which is what is portrayed then it is better for everyone to acknowledge the facts. Otherwise isnt failure to acknowledge or take action elsewhere because its only a Catholic issue contribute to the problem? You want to go after the perpetrators alone and not just the insitution then fine. If you want to go after people who listened to psychiatrists fine, but then lets have a universal policy and also psychologists held accountable, police, school administrators etc. So here we have the BBC which mercilessly attacked the church, but when its discovered one of their own abused about 460 children known the head of the BBC knew nothing. He didnt even know anything about the contents of a letter which he hired an attorney to draft.
http://blogs.ssrc.org/tif/2012/07/13/placing-...
A Dutch commission has found that sexual abuse of children after they have been forcibly taken from troubled homes and put into state-funded institutions is common. It estimates around 23 percent of such children are abused - more than three times the national average.
The commission was set up in May 2010 during a similar investigation into Catholic boarding homes.
Chairwoman Rieke Samson said Monday the commission has since received more than 800 complaints, some dating back decades, and referred 42 of them to prosecutors.
The commission found that more than half of abuse came at the hands of other, often older children.
Adult men were the abusers in around two-thirds of the remaining cases, while girls made up two-thirds of victims.
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/dutch-commis...
I think what Fr. Dye is saying is we should take our well deserved lumps, learn from it and be confident in the fact that it's God's way of bringing about a renewal to holiness in the Church and a discarding of the filth and worldliness of the post Vatican II regime. It's happening now. Our parish has been a "training parish" for new priests out of seminary for years and I can't tell you how good it is to see these holy and orthodox men coming through the doors.

And he's right that Satan sees the Church as his enemy. He's not worried about the chaos in protestantism and he's happy to let them be fooled into believing they're safe from the scourge of abuse. I can't and won't spend my time posting protestant stories of abuse because it turns my stomach, and I also don't want to be like them. They're scared, they lack faith in their own systems and want to drag us down to their level. All they have on us is the scandal, I feel sorry for them.
ReginaM

Middletown, NJ

#420207 Feb 5, 2013
MICHAEL wrote:
<quoted text>
Regina M. says......
. I agree with what you're saying and am of the mind that the problems within the Church are bad enough! without the lies, distortions, and exaggerations that most non-Catholics indulge in.
Michael says.
OK ReginaM. Please tell us what lies, distortions and exaggerations are being made?
You made the statement, back up what you claim?
.....Yes the problems in your church are bad enough and catholics like you have done nothing to stop them. Nothing I say!
Remember you pay all the bills of your church. You pay the salaries/benefits of the clergy in your diocese, including all the bad ones. You pay the light and heat bills. You pay for the candles, carpeting, stain glass windows, incense. Shouldn't you expect more from them? Shouldn't catholics be more proactive in finding out what the hell has been going on instead of deflecting the blame on people exposing these sinful characters?
Get your priorities straight. Roll up your sleeves and start demanding accountability. Remember the followers pay all the freight.
No one is saying anything bad about your church. Just the bad apples.
This is exactly what I'm talking about.

Anyone who engages in any kind of dialogue with you...*or anyone like you*... about *anything* to do with the Catholic Church should have their head examined.

You are owed no explanations, you are owed *Nothing*.

No, no one is saying anything bad about the Church. What an arrogant little.....
Saban fan

Mobile, AL

#420208 Feb 5, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Finally, someone who says he knows who the real church that Christ started is. Don't keep us in suspense son... Which one of you 42,000 is it??
The church that Christ built (Him being the cornerstone and the apostles as the foundation) would look and operate the way the first century church did, correct? It would follow the teachings established by Jesus and his inspired disciples. This means it could not be a division from the original first century church. It will worship in the exact same manner the first century church did. Find THAT church that is unencumbered by man's influence like the 42,000+ divisions have been, and you will find the real church that Christ started.

Bear in mind, just because it wears the name of Christ, does not mean it is Christ's church, but I am highly doubtful that Christ's church would wear any name other than Christ. Therefore, if I were you I wouldn't begin my search for Christ's church unless Christ's name is on it.

If you are legitimately searching for it, you'll find it.
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#420209 Feb 5, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks Mike, but you never did post about abuse in protestant communities or public schools, and I doubt you'll make it to dinner before the next batch of Catholic abuse stories come...
Anthony says...

...Thanks Mike, but you never did post about abuse in protestant communities or public schools,

Michael says....Father Rob says, do not bring others into the mix. Look after your own. I am following orders of Father Rob.

You posted about others, outside your own. A ROOKIE mistake.

MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#420210 Feb 5, 2013
ReginaM wrote:
<quoted text>
This is exactly what I'm talking about.
Anyone who engages in any kind of dialogue with you...*or anyone like you*... about *anything* to do with the Catholic Church should have their head examined.
You are owed no explanations, you are owed *Nothing*.
No, no one is saying anything bad about the Church. What an arrogant little.....
You made the comment. I am asking you to clarify what you posted. If you don't want to, then don't make such comments.

You wonder why people show anger towards your church/leaders? Read below.

... I posted this morning about how Cardinal Law from Boston shamed himself, cost his diocese $600 MILLION, left destruction of dozens of children, resigned his position, then brought to Rome by the Pope, and was PROMOTED to the head of a Basilica in Rome, instructing american bishops, making $120,000 a year.

You think that is OK? You wonder why people show anger towards your church/leaders? Former Cardinal Law is just the tip of the iceburg. Give me examples of someone who caused so much destruction that was later promoted to position that pays more than he made as a Cardinal.

What will Cardinal Mahonys legacy be? Have you been following his story? Did you read about Cardinal Gomez stripping Cardinal Mahony of his administrative duties?

I know ReginaM. we shouldn't know about any of this. I say BALONEY!

What is it about the truth I posted that you don't want to accept?

UNBELIEVABLE!



Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#420211 Feb 5, 2013
208
Saban fan wrote:
<quoted text>
The church that Christ built (Him being the cornerstone and the apostles as the foundation) would look and operate the way the first century church did, correct? It would follow the teachings established by Jesus and his inspired disciples. This means it could not be a division from the original first century church. It will worship in the exact same manner the first century church did. Find THAT church that is unencumbered by man's influence like the 42,000+ divisions have been, and you will find the real church that Christ started.
Bear in mind, just because it wears the name of Christ, does not mean it is Christ's church, but I am highly doubtful that Christ's church would wear any name other than Christ. Therefore, if I were you I wouldn't begin my search for Christ's church unless Christ's name is on it.
If you are legitimately searching for it, you'll find it.
From the NABre pope approved Catholic Bible...regards Mt 16:18

Church: this word (Greek ekkl&#275;sia) occurs in the gospels only here and in Mt 18:17 (twice). There are several possibilities for an Aramaic original. Jesus’ church means the community that he will gather and that, like a building, will have Peter as its solid foundation.That function of Peter consists in his being witness to Jesus as the Messiah, the Son of the living God.

You don't believe the teaching in your own Bible???!!!!!
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#420212 Feb 5, 2013
ReginaM wrote:
<quoted text>
This is exactly what I'm talking about.
Anyone who engages in any kind of dialogue with you...*or anyone like you*... about *anything* to do with the Catholic Church should have their head examined.
You are owed no explanations, you are owed *Nothing*.
No, no one is saying anything bad about the Church. What an arrogant little.....
ReginaM.

FACT: If there were no bad clergy, there would be no stories.

Are you getting it yet?

If there was no news to watch tonight at 6:00 oclock what would you do?

Our world operates on news. Good or bad, the stories have to be told.

My dear, you must learn to direct your anger towards those that did wrong, not towards those that do right.

Now I am going to eat my dinner....


Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#420213 Feb 5, 2013
Chuck wrote:
<quoted text>
Robert...question for you
besides the obvious(Jesus' mother) what is the difference between some like Abraham and Mary? Weren't they both faithful servants of God?
God said of Abraham: Now the Lord said to Abram,“Go from your country and your kindred and your father's house to the land that I will show you. And I will make of you a great nation, and I will bless you and make your name great, so that you will be a blessing.
Chuck new friend

It is hard to find a difference....

I would compare Abraham and Mary in that they both offered up their son's as a sacrifice. Abraham's was spared death, and Mary's was not..., And both of them, Isaac and Jesus, carried up the wood up where they were offered in the same place, and different times, but different names(Mt Moriah, Calvary).

It was Mary's ultimate trust in the Will of God, that allowed her to offer up Jesus, as Jesus did the Will of God. Such a trust was rewarded in a different way than Abraham. His faith was rewarded in a sense of faith that he would be the father of nations. But Mary would be of an eternal nature, that of being the Mother of the Church

The dynamics of God's revelation of himself in Christ, has made the Grace of God more working in the faithful more apparent to those who adhere(abide) in God....
Catholic Girl

Bethpage, NY

#420214 Feb 5, 2013
MICHAEL wrote:
<quoted text>
We all love our grandmothers too. Why not prayers to Jesus grandmother? Because the church says no. I am sure you love your father as much as your mother for your upbringing, why no praise for step father Joseph??
Why does the church stiff arm Jesus step father Joseph? Didn't he have just as much parental guidance of the raising of Jesus as his mother Mary would have? No accolades to him?? Why? Because the church says no.
Can't you see, the church scripts everything the way they want it, and you just follow along without question.
I am sure you loved YOUR father as much as your mother, and wouldn't seperate their love for you. You do that when you don't thank Joseph Jesus step-father.
Don you know who the grandmother would be?---- St. Ann sill, Mary's mother. St. Ann is the patron saint of seamstress's. I've asked st. ann many times to guide me in my work.
----
As for St. Joseph...not much in scripture on this guy. The last thing in bible about him was when Jesus escaped from Mary & Joseph and they searched and searched for him finding him in the temple, teaching the priests. It's believed that Joseph passed away after that. But what better way to go than being close to Jesus and Mary. Keep in mind that Joseph was not his father, but that God is his father. I know, it's all a mystery. So Michael, I don't believe the church says no just to upset those like you. If there's no other info out there, they do not make it up as I believe other religious mere mortals may, they say nothing because nothing more is known. Joseph was quite old when he married Mary, he was married for 50 yrs. with children and his wife died.
Those in our church know lots more info. than I. yes, I depend on those folks for their knowledge and guidance.
Keep in mind, God loves you.


socci

El Dorado Springs, MO

#420215 Feb 5, 2013
Saban fan wrote:
The church that Christ built (Him being the cornerstone and the apostles as the foundation) would look and operate the way the first century church did, correct? It would follow the teachings established by Jesus and his inspired disciples.

This certainly was not the universal catholic Roman Church rather the Nazarene Christians spoken of in the book of Acts and various historians..

• Nazarenes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazarene_%28sect...

We know what they believed and again it was not what Rome teaches. The Roman Church came along later founded by Simon Magus who blended Egyptian religions with Christianity for a syncronism or universal system of followers. Magus founded a church at Rome and had a statue erected in his honor as a powerful gnostic magi.

Also in the 1st century Christianity was carried to England by Jesus' uncle Joseph of Arimathea.(you can research that one yourself) They built a church there (tho i dont believe the claims of royals descent).

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