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RCC Superiority So BUSTED

Melbourne, FL

#419979 Feb 4, 2013
In order to be a "good" Roman Catholic, one must believe many, many absurd things today.

1... One must believe that Jesus came to save less than 5% of humanity.

2... One must believe that some weird God created all of this in part, for the purpose of torturing 95% of it's highest creation for all eternity.

3... One must believe that Jesus appointed a church that is so absurd and corrupt, that 2000 years later, a Super Bowl ad moves billions of humans to laugh at the church's nonsense.

4... One must believe Jesus used Mussolini to empower this absurd church of "perfect moral teachings."

OMG, it must be difficult for catholics to rationalize this.
ReginaM

Middletown, NJ

#419980 Feb 4, 2013
Dust Storm wrote:
<quoted text>
Ousted permanently 20 years ago. Meanwhile in recent news back at the baptist church where oxbores in denial dont see.
--Bellevue Baptist Church near Memphis, Tenn., a prominent congregation long led by former two-time SBC president Adrian Rogers, became mired in a scandal in 2006 and 2007 when a blog reported that new pastor Steve Gaines knew about past sexual abuse by a staff member but kept it quiet.
An investigation by church leaders found that Paul Williams, a minister and staff member for 34 years, had sexually abused his adolescent son over a period of 12 to 18 months 17 years earlier. Williams was allowed to keep his job, which included counseling with adult victims of sexual abuse, until six months after he confessed to what Gaines originally described as a “moral failure.”
--Much more recently, police in Clinton and Jackson, Miss., launched an investigation after John Langworthy confessed to “sexual indiscretions” committed decades earlier with younger males. A few weeks earlier Langworthy had resigned as longtime associate pastor of music and ministries of Morrison Heights Baptist Church in Clinton. He now faces eight felony charges and is scheduled to stand trial April. 2.
Church elders conducted their own investigation and resisted sharing what they learned with law enforcement, citing clergy-penitent privilege. After Langworthy’s confession, it became public that he was fired in 1989 over abuse allegations at Prestonwood Baptist Church in Dallas, but church leaders including future SBC president Jack Graham failed to report it to the police as required by law.
Graham has not commented publicly on the revelation. Greg Besler, senior pastor of Morrison Heights Baptist Church, was guest preacher for chapel at Southern Seminary on Oct. 25, one week after Langworthy pleaded not guilty in court.
--Two years into a 10-year sentence for multiple counts of sexual indecency with a child, David Pierce, the former long-time minister music at First Baptist Church in Benton, Ark., awaits results of his most recent parole hearing Nov. 15.
A disclaimer says the list represents only “some” of the men who brought scandal to the Southern Baptist Convention and likely is just “the tip of the iceberg.” It does not include ministers that are “credibly accused” but not charged with a crime that are kept in records by the Catholic Church and other denominations.
Five years ago Brown urged leaders of the SBC including Land to begin keeping a database of convicted, confessed or credibly accused sexual predators and create an independent review board to which victims could report alleged abuse. After study the SBC Executive Committee recommended against the idea, saying the convention lacked authority to investigate local churches that are autonomous.
Critics point out that local-church autonomy has not prevented Southern Baptists from kicking out churches for reasons like acceptance of homosexuality and calling a female pastor
http://stopbaptistpredators.blogspot.com/
Oh, my goodness! It never stops with those BAPTISTS!!
Dust Storm

Pennock, MN

#419981 Feb 4, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
...."bigot", "loser", "moron".....
- Having a little problem over there Dust Storm?
- No control of name calling only shows your arrogance and deflection.
Dust Storm wrote:
"Yet you perpetuate along with other Protestants in here that it is a uniquely Catholic Problem and it doesnt exist elsewhere and therefore ignore it."
New Age writes:
- Speculation
- IMO - it sounds like you are deflecting your own anxiety over this topic that doesn't go away.
BTW - one thing in my opinion hasn't changed and that is the continuous perpetuation of the deeds b y individuals in an organization that should not even have such occurrences.
Yet - you deflect from those individuals and point the fingers elsewhere.
You are just as guilty as those who did harm, if you allow it to continue in your organization.
You are a bigot and a loser. Those are facts. You have no concern for the children and that reality is obvious and has shown repeatedly. There is no deflection it continues because you incessantly prove what I and others have said and show your bigotry. There is no reporting of what we do not know. However there is a real denial on your part.

The church has done much to acknowledge and address the problem very arguably more than anyone else. If you wish to deny the obvious that is not painted or perceived as a uniquely Catholic pervert institution read your posts and others. You are not fooling anyone but yourself.

Nobody here supports abuse. What would be nice is a balanced approach not an obsessional focus other than to prove you are a blind bigot with an axe to grind, which has been demonstrated repeatedly. You asked a stupid question and you got an honest, intelligent and reasonable answer. Now you can continue your game of proving Weigel and everyone who knows what you are right again.
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#419982 Feb 4, 2013
RCC Superiority So BUSTED wrote:
<quoted text>
Micheal writes -- "People pray MOSTLY on Sundays. Gods day off."
A PROFOUND TRUTH from Michael -- thank you!
Maybe we should start thinking about God's feelings, instead of laying all of our petty problems on God all the time, especially on Sundays!!!
...Do people really believe God is sitting up in the clouds answering BILLIONS of prayers 24 hours a day? Doesn't God have other duties to attend?

Every hour of the day, billions and billions of prayers coming into God eveyone wanting something.

We were taught God has a divine plan. He worked on it, checked it over, said it was a good plan. He put his plan into operation. Why should any smook pray for something that they want, trying to get God to change his plan? Thats not very nice.

BUSTED!

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#419983 Feb 4, 2013
hey robert F.

when you or any otehr catholic can or will have an Experience that agrees with this one of mine that Jesus talked about,

then come and meet me on even ground.lol

In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.

38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

and this was given to me 36 hours after I was Saved.
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#419984 Feb 4, 2013
RCC Superiority So BUSTED wrote:
In order to be a "good" Roman Catholic, one must believe many, many absurd things today.
1... One must believe that Jesus came to save less than 5% of humanity.
2... One must believe that some weird God created all of this in part, for the purpose of torturing 95% of it's highest creation for all eternity.
3... One must believe that Jesus appointed a church that is so absurd and corrupt, that 2000 years later, a Super Bowl ad moves billions of humans to laugh at the church's nonsense.
4... One must believe Jesus used Mussolini to empower this absurd church of "perfect moral teachings."
OMG, it must be difficult for catholics to rationalize this.
Why did the scriptures waste their time telling us about all the miracles? The stories of Jesus running 4,000 pigs off a cliff ruining some poor towns economy. WHY tell us that?

According to the scriptures the miracle/pig stories had no affect what-so-ever on the outcome of this mans fate.



Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#419985 Feb 4, 2013
RCC Superiority So BUSTED wrote:
<quoted text>
Please support your claim that "Some elsewhere would argue that there was more corruption BEFORE they became a state."
Can you provide a link? I doubt it. Pity, but it does serve to deflect reality.
Before they became a state they were controlled by the secular authorities subject to taxation, confiscation of properties, intimidation by emperors, dictators, English Kings, etc. Other secularists and anti-Catholics have advocated such. I'm sorry, I thought you did too? My mistake.
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#419986 Feb 4, 2013
RCC Superiority So BUSTED wrote:
<quoted text>
Poor dust writes -- "I listened to 3 different protestant preachers on Sunday. All 3 slammed the church."
All that and he still went to Mass! LMAO
Of course they can't defend using diplomatic immunity to thwart justice for sexually-abused orphans, so they attack the messenger and -- whine, whine, whine.
Somehow, I am the evil one because I don't really care about the victims.
Somehow, Catholics are "wronged" because I post -- 100% on board topic BTW -- about real-world events that TOTALLY BUST in the strongest possible way the absurd, mystical RCC claims.
I am attacked because these Catholics-in-denial can NOT refute.
Sounds like you're advocating the revoking of diplomatic immunity. I thought you just denied that?
Dust Storm

Pennock, MN

#419987 Feb 4, 2013
MICHAEL wrote:
<quoted text>
DustStorm says...
...Meanwhile back at the Baptist Church denial and lack of action or accountability continues not for 20 or 30 year old cases.
Michael says....What have you done personally regarding accountability in your own diocese that has had more than its share of bad clergy?.......Nothing Michael!
The reason the scandals just keep on comin' is because of lack of follower intervention.
This will never go away as long as you continue to ALLOW IT.
Remember the clergy work for you. You pay their salaries/benefits. No one else.
Gee Mikey do you have a crystal ball or how is it you know so much about what every Catholic does? You have obviously overlooked at the many changes and posts of what the church has done and its members. Only you Mikey the Atheist are the one who is the clear voice of children everywhere. How fortunate for children everywhere that you are here to point out that only that the Catholic church has abuse. Oops! you missed alot of them. How profound and intellectual your arguments are. You are truly amazing. I would look to studies of abuse in Canada there is so much for you to do as the spokesperson for the world and a shining example to all of what one person like you can do. How you manage to find the time when you live in here is another amazing feat. ;0
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#419988 Feb 4, 2013
Catholics get all weepy and angry everytime they talk about Jesus dieing for our sins.

They want to blame someone. Lets not forget, the story is that God sent his son down to die. No one was to blame. The plan came from heaven. Right?

Why not a better story that Jesus lived for our sins, and everyone lived happily ever after, with no tears of anger towards anyone.

That would have been a good plan (B)





“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#419989 Feb 4, 2013
Dust Storm wrote:
<quoted text>
Ousted permanently 20 years ago. Meanwhile back at the Baptist Church denial and lack of action or accountability continues not for 20 or 30 year old cases.
--Bellevue Baptist Church near Memphis, Tenn., a prominent congregation long led by former two-time SBC president Adrian Rogers, became mired in a scandal in 2006 and 2007 when a blog reported that new pastor Steve Gaines knew about past sexual abuse by a staff member but kept it quiet.
An investigation by church leaders found that Paul Williams, a minister and staff member for 34 years, had sexually abused his adolescent son over a period of 12 to 18 months 17 years earlier. Williams was allowed to keep his job, which included counseling with adult victims of sexual abuse, until six months after he confessed to what Gaines originally described as a “moral failure.”
--Much more recently, police in Clinton and Jackson, Miss., launched an investigation after John Langworthy confessed to “sexual indiscretions” committed decades earlier with younger males. A few weeks earlier Langworthy had resigned as longtime associate pastor of music and ministries of Morrison Heights Baptist Church in Clinton. He now faces eight felony charges and is scheduled to stand trial April. 2.
Church elders conducted their own investigation and resisted sharing what they learned with law enforcement, citing clergy-penitent privilege. After Langworthy’s confession, it became public that he was fired in 1989 over abuse allegations at Prestonwood Baptist Church in Dallas, but church leaders including future SBC president Jack Graham failed to report it to the police as required by law.
Graham has not commented publicly on the revelation. Greg Besler, senior pastor of Morrison Heights Baptist Church, was guest preacher for chapel at Southern Seminary on Oct. 25, one week after Langworthy pleaded not guilty in court.
--Two years into a 10-year sentence for multiple counts of sexual indecency with a child, David Pierce, the former long-time minister music at First Baptist Church in Benton, Ark., awaits results of his most recent parole hearing Nov. 15.
A disclaimer says the list represents only “some” of the men who brought scandal to the Southern Baptist Convention and likely is just “the tip of the iceberg.” It does not include ministers that are “credibly accused” but not charged with a crime that are kept in records by the Catholic Church and other denominations.
Five years ago Brown urged leaders of the SBC including Land to begin keeping a database of convicted, confessed or credibly accused sexual predators and create an independent review board to which victims could report alleged abuse. After study the SBC Executive Committee recommended against the idea, saying the convention lacked authority to investigate local churches that are autonomous.
Critics point out that local-church autonomy has not prevented Southern Baptists from kicking out churches for reasons like acceptance of homosexuality and calling a female pastor
http://stopbaptistpredators.blogspot.com/
Too show both sides of the issues - wouldn't it benefit you (and others) to also post the Catholic priests who are in jail or pending a parole hearing - in order to show that the media attention is balanced?

Right now, you are being biased and showing bigotry toward the Protestant group, when in fact, it only looks like deflecting from the point being made - in accordance with objecting to the title.

Hmmm.....I seem to can't find any, can you help me out?

Thanks!

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#419990 Feb 4, 2013
Dust Storm wrote:
<quoted text>
You are a bigot and a loser. Those are facts. You have no concern for the children and that reality is obvious and has shown repeatedly.
Incorrect.

I am neither. So your facts are wrong.

Better yet, so we can get you to understand correctly, please provide those facts that state I am such characters as you have devised.

I think you are just another Catholic liar who thinks that they can use bullying tactics to shut people down.

You are in for a long run DS, if you think I will back down from your lies and nonsense that is continuing to spread worldwide.

Your "fight" and "hatred: of/with me - is long from over.

And you won't win.
Dust Storm wrote:
<quoted text>
There is no deflection it continues because you incessantly prove what I and others have said and show your bigotry. There is no reporting of what we do not know. However there is a real denial on your part.
Wrong on all accounts. You've deflected more times than an pinball machine.
Dust Storm wrote:
<quoted text>
The church has done much to acknowledge and address the problem very arguably more than anyone else. If you wish to deny the obvious that is not painted or perceived as a uniquely Catholic pervert institution read your posts and others. You are not fooling anyone but yourself.
Nobody here supports abuse. What would be nice is a balanced approach not an obsessional focus other than to prove you are a blind bigot with an axe to grind, which has been demonstrated repeatedly. You asked a stupid question and you got an honest, intelligent and reasonable answer. Now you can continue your game of proving Weigel and everyone who knows what you are right again.
And you are yet to provide any documentation that shows the prevention.

All I've ever seen are settlements that the Vatican has paid out to hide behind the money.

Why do you believe men?

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#419991 Feb 4, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>try and learn your Bible and dont be so ignorant as that sda cultist is.
this person who used that oil on the feet of Jesus is NOT MARY MAGADELEN, IT IS THE SISTER OF MARTHA AND LAZARUS.and they are always portrayed as FRIENDS of Jesus, NEVER AS A SINNER, LIKE YOU ARE CALLING HER.
AS far as the other mary being portrayed as a prostitute, that name calling rests entirely on the catholic church and its pope, right?
and just to help you out as concening my being Born Again. reference John chapter 7, verses 36-39.
that Experience doesnt come to a person that is unsaved. in fact it has come to very few, since ther are few that walk in the Way of Holiness and you wouldnt undestand that since you are acatholic and depend on your rituals instead of being actually Saved and filled with the Holy Ghost Baptism.
and to help you out(you need it)for Mary to recognize that Jesus was the Messiah is ONE thing, to ACCEPT Him as Her Savior, QUITE ANOTHER. adn if she had His siblings had done that, she wouldnt have been outside lookin in. the fact that she told people to do what He said(at the wedding) didnt and doesnt mean that She had accepted Him as Her Savior.
YOU BEING A CATHOLIC LOOK AT THE CARNALITY OF MARY, I LOOK AT THE SPIRTUAL, BEING A CHRISTIAN.BIG DIFFERENCE !!!!!
preston

In Post #479401 you wrote, "where she and his siblings were in the Beginning, on the outside looking in. and she and them remained that way until after His death. even the Prostitute sinner was smarter than Mary, as well as the woman at the well. they were sinners, and acknowledged Him as their Savior, it took Mary even longer, and His siblings even longer as they mocked Him[john 7:2-5]. thankfully,in His mercy and His Grace, they also came to the only Conclusion that a Person can make(a fool says otherwise). He is who He said that He was, He is God.the Son of the Living God."

Please explain who is the "Prostitute sinner smarter than Mary" is?
LTM

Sudbury, Canada

#419992 Feb 4, 2013
Catholic Girl wrote:
Hurray our Ravens WON the Superbowl !!
How's the ice fishing going?
Ice fish is great up here in Canada C.C.

What an awesome game I am a 49ers fan our boys did good.
That 109 yard run was great by Jones, LOL someone turned out the lights. Great game Ravens is a good team to lose to.

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#419993 Feb 4, 2013
Tony17 wrote:
Christ everywhere in the Bible always referred to God as Father except in only one passage in the NT where He referred to Him as God when He was dying on the cross and even then Christ was merely fulfilling prophecy ( Psalms 22). Yet though Christ always called God Father He NEVER called Mary mother. Speaks volumes to those that have SPIRITUAL EARS TO HEAR.
AMEN to that, Brother.
Dust Storm

Pennock, MN

#419994 Feb 4, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Too show both sides of the issues - wouldn't it benefit you (and others) to also post the Catholic priests who are in jail or pending a parole hearing - in order to show that the media attention is balanced?
Right now, you are being biased and showing bigotry toward the Protestant group, when in fact, it only looks like deflecting from the point being made - in accordance with objecting to the title.
Hmmm.....I seem to can't find any, can you help me out?
Thanks!
Funny stuff! The site is run by a baptist who is apparently biased and bigoted toward her church. As we have all stated many times and as the Pope stated the evil must be purged from our midst. Obssessions from those in here who paint this is a Catholic issue in denial it even exists elsehwere or a problem is patently obvious to anyone who has bothered to read. Clearly you cannot read or chose to ignore the obsessive posts of your comrades. It is your choice. Self! lol I have stated many times that I commend the Protestant churches that have acknowledge their failures and problems and have even commended and emulated the reforms of the church. However the response is to a Southern Baptist who is painting a picture while proclaiming his house withour problem.

If you have a desire to protect children then the way to do that is to not focus on an organization. How many Protestant churches have paid for independent or Govt studies that have focused on their group? Does the media Nationally televise every disocvery in a local protestant church? How about what I pointed out in the schools. OOPS you brushed right over that. Catholics here nor I are justifying abuse nor are we trying to make it my church has less than yours. That is the childish, ignorant and bigoted approach that is coming from your side. We have acknowledged a problem. We have done much to change. However when denial that it even exists elsewhere is the common denominator that is something you need to wake up to. You cannot even begin to stop a problem or explore ways to prevent it and implement a universal system to deal with it until you do. Painting the Catholic Church as a uniquely peverted insitution is in fact finger pointing.

Now if everytime the media starts the story and they want to start off with comparing to New Agers or Baptists then there would be no bias right? Laws specifically changed or altered to go after one Institution alone is balanced and unbiased? Laws that state a person who accused whether deemed credible or not with no prosecution required to notify area residents, but ONLY for a Catholic priest. How is that not biased? It is indeed. I am told that during the Vietnam war they listed the killed on tv and radio every day to keep it present in peoples minds. Now if every time an accusation is made it was national news then the problem shines through. St Paul appealed to Ceasar. Why? Because he knew he wasnt going to get any kind of fair hearing. If you want to participate in a witch hunt by all means continue. If you have concern about children then say we can all do more.
Clay

United States

#419995 Feb 4, 2013
Saban fan wrote:
<quoted text>
Exactly what is there about the 1st century church we read about in scripture that is similar to the catholic church? It is in NO WAY similar to the Church Christ established. Man polluted the Church Christ established with man's teachings and went WAY off the reservation! Christ's Church has been restored, but it is not the catholic church.
Finally, someone who says he knows who the real church that Christ started is. Don't keep us in suspense son... Which one of you 42,000 is it??
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#419997 Feb 4, 2013
Dust Storm wrote:
<quoted text>
You are a bigot and a loser. Those are facts. You have no concern for the children and that reality is obvious and has shown repeatedly. There is no deflection it continues because you incessantly prove what I and others have said and show your bigotry. There is no reporting of what we do not know. However there is a real denial on your part.
The church has done much to acknowledge and address the problem very arguably more than anyone else. If you wish to deny the obvious that is not painted or perceived as a uniquely Catholic pervert institution read your posts and others. You are not fooling anyone but yourself.
Nobody here supports abuse. What would be nice is a balanced approach not an obsessional focus other than to prove you are a blind bigot with an axe to grind, which has been demonstrated repeatedly. You asked a stupid question and you got an honest, intelligent and reasonable answer. Now you can continue your game of proving Weigel and everyone who knows what you are right again.
I am going through the bible and I can't find anywhere where Jesus called someone a BIGOT and a LOSER.

Dust Storm says......

..The church has done much to acknowledge and address the problem very arguably more than anyone else.

Michael says.....the church never made one, 9-1-1 call. It was always the victims and their families. Why?

Quit patting the church on the back. The ONLY reason they are addressing these issues NOW is because they got caught and couldn't cover them up anymore. Now the church is trying to make themselves seem like the "good guys" You know that!

GOOGLE......priest gets caught......bishop gets caught......and it will take you 20 years to read all the relevant stories, with the very same systematic coverups right around the world.

Want to do something constructive? Write to your bishop asking what the hell has been going on. 192 priest/bishop litigants in Los Angeles diocese alone!$660 MILLION (so far) in court costs. UNBELIEVABLE!

In america ALONE! First it was arch-diocese Boston. Over half BILLION dollars in settlements. Last year arch-diocese of Philadelphia, a monsignor went to Jail for coverups. Now Los Angeles.

Not counting many other dioceses right around the world.

What diocese is next?








MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#419998 Feb 4, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Finally, someone who says he knows who the real church that Christ started is. Don't keep us in suspense son... Which one of you 42,000 is it??
Its obvious you have a fetish with numbers. Something about 42,001. What number would you like to be?
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#419999 Feb 4, 2013
Dust Storm wrote:
<quoted text>
Gee Mikey do you have a crystal ball or how is it you know so much about what every Catholic does? You have obviously overlooked at the many changes and posts of what the church has done and its members. Only you Mikey the Atheist are the one who is the clear voice of children everywhere. How fortunate for children everywhere that you are here to point out that only that the Catholic church has abuse. Oops! you missed alot of them. How profound and intellectual your arguments are. You are truly amazing. I would look to studies of abuse in Canada there is so much for you to do as the spokesperson for the world and a shining example to all of what one person like you can do. How you manage to find the time when you live in here is another amazing feat. ;0
Dust Storm says....

..point out that only that the Catholic church has abuse. Oops! you missed alot of them.

Michael says....Oops! you missed all of them!

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