Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 589163 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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LTM

Sudbury, Canada

#419825 Feb 3, 2013
Rob:

Cont
A Proposed Definition of Truth

In defining truth, it is first helpful to note what truth is not:

• Truth is not simply whatever works. This is the philosophy of pragmatism – an ends-vs.-means-type approach. In reality, lies can appear to “work,” but they are still lies and not the truth.
• Truth is not simply what is coherent or understandable. A group of people can get together and form a conspiracy based on a set of falsehoods where they all agree to tell the same false story, but it does not make their presentation true.
• Truth is not what makes people feel good. Unfortunately, bad news can be true.
• Truth is not what the majority says is true. Fifty-one percent of a group can reach a wrong conclusion.
• Truth is not what is comprehensive. A lengthy, detailed presentation can still result in a false conclusion.
• Truth is not defined by what is intended. Good intentions can still be wrong.
• Truth is not how we know; truth is what we know.
• Truth is not simply what is believed. A lie believed is still a lie.
• Truth is not what is publicly proved. A truth can be privately known (for example, the location of buried treasure).

The Greek word for “truth” is aletheia, which literally means to “un-hide” or “hiding nothing.” It conveys the thought that truth is always there, always open and available for all to see, with nothing being hidden or obscured. The Hebrew word for “truth” is emeth, which means “firmness,”“constancy” and “duration.” Such a definition implies an everlasting substance and something that can be relied upon.

From a philosophical perspective, there are three simple ways to define truth:

1. Truth is that which corresponds to reality.
2. Truth is that which matches its object.
3. Truth is simply telling it like it is.

First, truth corresponds to reality or “what is.” It is real. Truth is also correspondent in nature. In other words, it matches its object and is known by its referent. For example, a teacher facing a class may say,“Now the only exit to this room is on the right.” For the class that may be facing the teacher, the exit door may be on their left, but it’s absolutely true that the door, for the professor, is on the right.

Truth also matches its object. It may be absolutely true that a certain person may need so many milligrams of a certain medication, but another person may need more or less of the same medication to produce the desired effect. This is not relative truth, but just an example of how truth must match its object. It would be wrong (and potentially dangerous) for a patient to request that their doctor give them an inappropriate amount of a particular medication, or to say that any medicine for their specific ailment will do.

In short, truth is simply telling it like it is; it is the way things really are, and any other viewpoint is wrong. A foundational principle of philosophy is being able to discern between truth and error, or as Thomas Aquinas observed, "It is the task of the philosopher to make distinctions."

cont
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#419826 Feb 3, 2013
Dust Storm wrote:
Bolivar Baptist Church (Denton County, TX): Retains as its pastor a man whose "best" defense against a clergy molestation allegation was to say, "I didn't have sex with her when she was 16 or younger." The woman says he abused her starting when she was 14. But even if people believe the pastor as to the girl's age, is that the sort of man who should stand in a Baptist pulpit in a position of spiritual trust? The woman also has a paternity judgment against the pastor for the child she gave birth to at age 18. She had to get a paternity judgment in order to even get the pastor to financially support the kid that he fathered.
Branchville Baptist Church (Summerville, South Carolina): Hired a pastor who had a prior conviction for criminal sexual conduct with a minor.
Why don't you tell us about the catholic abuses in almost every diocese in america? Thousands of catholic priests who stood up in the pulpit at every mass telling catholics to never commit the sins that they have committed themselves.

Arch Diocese of Las Angeles in 2007 paid out $660 MILLION in lawsuits,$660 MILLION!! and today over 190 priests from the one diocese have their stories told right on the arch-diocese website.

Cardinal Gomez spanked Cardinal Mahony and relieved him of any catholic administrative duties just last week.

There is much infighting within the ranks of the catholic clergy.

Catholics need to pay attention.

UNBELIEVABLE!
LTM

Sudbury, Canada

#419827 Feb 3, 2013
Rob
Cont

God and Truth

During the six trials of Jesus, the contrast between the truth (righteousness) and lies (unrighteousness) was unmistakable. There stood Jesus, the Truth, being judged by those whose every action was bathed in lies. The Jewish leaders broke nearly every law designed to protect a defendant from wrongful conviction. They fervently worked to find any testimony that would incriminate Jesus, and in their frustration, they turned to false evidence brought forward by liars. But even that could not help them reach their goal. So they broke another law and forced Jesus to implicate Himself.

Once in front of Pilate, the Jewish leaders lied again. They convicted Jesus of blasphemy, but since they knew that wouldn’t be enough to coax Pilate to kill Jesus, they claimed Jesus was challenging Caesar and was breaking Roman law by encouraging the crowds to not pay taxes. Pilate quickly detected their superficial deception, and he never even addressed the charge.

Jesus the Righteous was being judged by the unrighteous. The sad fact is that the latter always persecutes the former. It’s why Cain killed Abel. The link between truth and righteousness and between falsehood and unrighteousness is demonstrated by a number of examples in the New Testament:

• For this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they will believe what is false, in order that they all may be judged who did not believe the truth, but took pleasure in wickedness”(2 Thessalonians 2:9–12, emphasis added).

•“For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness”(Romans 1:18, emphasis added).

•“who will render to each person according to his deeds; to those who by perseverance in doing good seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life; but to those who are selfishly ambitious and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, wrath and indignation”(Romans 2:6–8, emphasis added).•“[love] does not act unbecomingly; it does not seek its own, is not provoked, does not take into account a wrong suffered, does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth”(1 Corinthians 13:5–6, emphasis added).

What is truth?- Conclusion

The question Pontius Pilate asked centuries ago needs to be rephrased in order to be completely accurate. The Roman governor’s remark “What is truth?” overlooks the fact that many things can have the truth, but only one thing can actually be the Truth. Truth must originate from somewhere.

The stark reality is that Pilate was looking directly at the Origin of all Truth on that early morning over two thousand years ago. Not long before being arrested and brought to the governor, Jesus had made the simple statement “I am the truth”(John 14:6), which was a rather incredible statement. How could a mere man be the truth? He couldn’t be, unless He was more than a man, which is actually what He claimed to be. The fact is, Jesus’ claim was validated when He rose from the dead (Romans 1:4).

There’s a story about a man who lived in Paris who had a stranger from the country come see him. Wanting to show the stranger the magnificence of Paris, he took him to the Louvre to see the great art and then to a concert at a majestic symphony hall to hear a great symphony orchestra play. At the end of the day, the stranger from the country commented that he didn’t particularly like either the art or the music. To which his host replied,“They aren’t on trial, you are.” Pilate and the Jewish leaders thought they were judging Christ, when, in reality, they were the ones being judged. Moreover, the One they convicted will actually serve as their Judge one day, as He will for all who suppress the truth in unrighteousness.

cont
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#419828 Feb 3, 2013
RCC Superiority So BUSTED wrote:
<quoted text>
According to the link your provided...
http://cara.georgetown.edu/CARAServices/reque...
17% of world population is Catholic.
24% of these are reported as practicing Catholics.
.17 x .24 = about 4.1% of humanity is a practicing Catholic.
Therefore, either this RCC "one-true" claim is 100% baloney, or ...
Jesus died a horrific death in order to "save" 4.1% of humanity.
Ummmm? Let history and reality guide us to the truth.
The truth must be told.

The information I posted is right from roman catholic news sources.

How many of the 4.1% are really devout catholics? Maybe cut that in half.

BUSTED....again!
LTM

Sudbury, Canada

#419829 Feb 3, 2013
Rob: Cont

Pilate evidently never came to a knowledge of the truth. Eusebius, the historian and Bishop of Caesarea, records the fact that Pilate ultimately committed suicide sometime during the reign of the emperor Caligula—a sad ending and a reminder for everyone that ignoring the truth always leads to undesired consequences.
truth

Perth, Australia

#419830 Feb 3, 2013
truth is so simple
i come tell them justice is not justice as Jesus tell them before..
asked what is bona fide what they used..
by
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#419831 Feb 3, 2013
Dust Storm wrote:
Bolivar Baptist Church (Denton County, TX): Retains as its pastor a man whose "best" defense against a clergy molestation allegation was to say, "I didn't have sex with her when she was 16 or younger." The woman says he abused her starting when she was 14. But even if people believe the pastor as to the girl's age, is that the sort of man who should stand in a Baptist pulpit in a position of spiritual trust? The woman also has a paternity judgment against the pastor for the child she gave birth to at age 18. She had to get a paternity judgment in order to even get the pastor to financially support the kid that he fathered.
Branchville Baptist Church (Summerville, South Carolina): Hired a pastor who had a prior conviction for criminal sexual conduct with a minor.
Roman Catholic clergy abuse files just from Los Angeles Diocese.

Over 192 priests and bishops that we know of, not counting ones that catholics were afraid to report against, and the arch-bishop of the largest diocese in america, relieved of his administrative duties, for his own coverups..........slides quietly into retirement.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/02/01/us-...

http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/01/us/california-s...

....first it was Arch-diocese of Boston. Then last year arch-diocese of Philadelphia, now Los Angeles, which diocese is next?

.....sometimes the truth hurts, but the truth shall prevail.

UN-BELEIVABLE!
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#419832 Feb 3, 2013
Its obvious leaders of christian organizations have a perverted sub culture within.

Non christian religions must be aghast at what they read about catholic/protestant clergy sinful, criminal behavior.

No one to blame but themselves.
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#419833 Feb 3, 2013
truth wrote:
truth is so simple
i come tell them justice is not justice as Jesus tell them before..
asked what is bona fide what they used..
by
Its too bad many of your roman catholic church leaders were not telling the "truth" for many years.

I understand the clergy abuse is just as bad in Australia.

truth trumps everything.

LTM

Sudbury, Canada

#419834 Feb 3, 2013
LTM wrote:
Rob: Cont
Pilate evidently never came to a knowledge of the truth. Eusebius, the historian and Bishop of Caesarea, records the fact that Pilate ultimately committed suicide sometime during the reign of the emperor Caligula—a sad ending and a reminder for everyone that ignoring the truth always leads to undesired consequences.
sorry Rob this piece is fro Gotquestions.ca
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#419835 Feb 3, 2013
..Today February 3, 2013 Roman Catholic priest with a history of sexual molestation given a new post in a church in arch-diocese of Newark NJ.....as reported today in the N.J. HERALD newspaper.

http://www.njherald.com/story/20947141/priest...

I post the truth, the truth catholics don't want to know, and would rather blame others instead of facing reality.

So many claims, so many charges, I would never trust any religious clergy member today.

I don't create the stories. Church leaders do. I just report them.

UNBELIEVABLE!
truth

Perth, Australia

#419836 Feb 3, 2013
you liked put your opinion to believers..
alive church is billions numbers..

still others can be converted..o yes yes yes

better before to be late..
hojo

Saint Paul, MN

#419837 Feb 3, 2013
MICHAEL wrote:
<quoted text>
Of course the numbers are going to go up. The world population increases 10s of millions every year.
Of course the numbers are going to go up. The world population increases 10s of millions every year.
Population growth has "absolutely NOTHING to do" with the rapid increase of new vocations to the priesthood as well as "sisters joining the convents". The "younger generation" today has seen what has, and is happening to our society, to the current middle aged generation and the moral "degredation" that is polluting our country, which is encouraged by Obama and his liberal Democratic political "hacks" who are "in bed" with the mainstream media to "push" his agenda!!!The fact is, that over 60% of the 500,000 people who gathered in Washington DC for the "pro-life march were 21 and under. They are a part of the "new evangelization" among the Catholic Church that is seeing that Jesus Christ and His the One True Church Catholic Church, has is and will continue to be the answer to bringing "sanity" and the TRUE FAITH back to the people of this nation and around the world. Michael!!! You are just another "axe to grind" ex-Catholic, who has "nothing better to do" with his time, except to -----hostily, beligerently and desperately"search out" and "dig up" whatever exaggerated and perverted anti-catholic (National Inquirer----kind of heresy that you can find.... The Catholic Church, has, is and will continue to survive,grow and preach the TRUE GOSPEL of Jesus Christ despite people like you, Confrinting, 4GVN, and other anti-catholic "trash-talking" ding-a-lings!!!
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#419838 Feb 3, 2013
ReginaM wrote:
A plague of Atheists has Descended, and Catholics are the Target
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/society-and-cul...
Attacking Christians is Not Really Clever, Witty or Funny.
FROM time immemorial, this world has been troubled by plagues. From bogong moths in Canberra to frogs in biblical Egypt, unwelcome and unlovely creatures have the awkward habit of turning up in bulk.
Just now, we are facing one of our largest and least appealing infestations. Somewhat in advance of summer's blowflies, we are beset by atheists. Worse, they are not traditional atheists. These tended to be quiet blokes called Algie with ancillary interests in nudist ceramics, who were perfectly happy as long as you pretended to accept a pamphlet in Flinders Lane.
No, the new hobby atheist is as brash, noisy and confident as a cheap electric kettle. They want everyone to know that they have not found God, and that no one else should. Their particular target seems to be Catholics. On the surface, this is odd, as there are plenty of other religious targets just waiting to be saved from a vengeful, non-existent deity. Smaller herds, such as the Christadelphians or the Salvation Army, might seem more manageable. But the Catholic Church has two incomparable advantages as an object of the wrath of proselytising atheists. First, it is the biggie. Taking out the Catholics is the equivalent of nuking the Pentagon. Guerilla bands of Baptists and Pentecostals can be liquidated at leisure.
Second, the Catholics have the undeniable advantage that they do still demonstrably believe in something. Attacking some of the more swinging Christian denominations might mean upsetting people who believe a good deal less than the average atheist.
http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/society-and-cul...
No one is attacking anyone. What is it about the truth you don't want to know?

Read the news from the ARCH-DIOCESE of Los Angeles OWN website.

Go to resources on the right side. Look down under clergy files......read and learn what the ARCH-DIOCESE posted to ALL catholics today, about 192 roman catholic priests and bishops. Not good!

http://www.la-archdiocese.org/Pages/default.a...

I didn't create these stories, your own church leaders did, and its their own damn fault.

There is good KARMA and bad KARMA......and bad KARMA is now coming back to haunt them.

I myself, have much GOOD KARMA. Everyday something good or nice happens to me. See the differnce of being good or bad?



MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#419839 Feb 3, 2013
Thanks for reading my posts.



Clay

United States

#419840 Feb 3, 2013
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
If You Tell me again you don't worship Mary , It would be a fib.
If you accuse us again, you're boldly violating the 9th commandment... Again!
You may as well be spitting in the face of God- as many times as you deliberately break His
commandment.

I swear you guys can't function unless you lie!
truth

Perth, Australia

#419841 Feb 3, 2013
Accusers on every street you have brothel..go there you can ague there..lived church in peace.
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#419842 Feb 3, 2013
With so many scandals rocking the catholic church, its a wonder it continues to function.

Remember, the church leaders created these messes themselves. No one to blame but them.

I still can't believe roman catholics do not want to know what is going on behind the scenes of their church.

Remember catholics the clergy works for you. You pay all their bills, their salaries, pensions, benefits. Catholics need a greater voice in their church.

Its time to step forward and demand accountability, unless! UNLESS you like being controlled.

I control my destiny not them.
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#419843 Feb 3, 2013
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
Of course the numbers are going to go up. The world population increases 10s of millions every year.
Population growth has "absolutely NOTHING to do" with the rapid increase of new vocations to the priesthood as well as "sisters joining the convents". The "younger generation" today has seen what has, and is happening to our society, to the current middle aged generation and the moral "degredation" that is polluting our country, which is encouraged by Obama and his liberal Democratic political "hacks" who are "in bed" with the mainstream media to "push" his agenda!!!The fact is, that over 60% of the 500,000 people who gathered in Washington DC for the "pro-life march were 21 and under. They are a part of the "new evangelization" among the Catholic Church that is seeing that Jesus Christ and His the One True Church Catholic Church, has is and will continue to be the answer to bringing "sanity" and the TRUE FAITH back to the people of this nation and around the world. Michael!!! You are just another "axe to grind" ex-Catholic, who has "nothing better to do" with his time, except to -----hostily, beligerently and desperately"search out" and "dig up" whatever exaggerated and perverted anti-catholic (National Inquirer----kind of heresy that you can find.... The Catholic Church, has, is and will continue to survive,grow and preach the TRUE GOSPEL of Jesus Christ despite people like you, Confrinting, 4GVN, and other anti-catholic "trash-talking" ding-a-lings!!!
I am PRO-LIFE and I am not religious.

Don't make it sound like pro-life is all about catholicism.

FACT:

...... More roman catholic women in america (USA) have abortions than protestant women per 1,000 abortions.

http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/Catholic/2001... #

During the past 40 years there have been several REPUBLICAN administrations in power, and they never did anything about abortion.

If you really want to do something positive, start adopting all these unwanted children instead of marching around with placards that just draw attention to themselves.



rider

Gwinn, MI

#419844 Feb 3, 2013
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