Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ. Full Story

Since: Nov 08

usa

#419570 Feb 2, 2013
Garlic man wrote:
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Try garlic. It works wonders!
love garlic,put it on everything,cook with it quite often,good anti-oxident,and if someone is pestering you,take a bite of a clove eat it then stand close to the person and breath heavily while talking :)

Since: Nov 08

usa

#419571 Feb 2, 2013
hojo wrote:
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It amazes me how "bitter and angry" of a "condemning and hostile" life that you lead, when it comes to "persistently" attacking the Catholic Church. The fact is Michael, I don't hate (anyone), not you, confrinting, Orville, justachristian, jethro or any other person who spreads their anti-catholic exaggerated distortion, lies and deceit. We, as Catholics will "leave the hate" to "you and those Protestants, agnostics or atheists, who in their own frustration, are living lives of the "bondage" of wrath and extreme anger!! Interesting to see "how you deal" with it: and what caliber of gun do you plan to use when "nothing" seems to be going your way"!!!!
i post the history of the church that no one likes to talk about,they are very decieving people,they say one thing,then behind closed doors they do another. if you doubt a post of mine look it up yourself,other than a catholic site,and you'll find the same factual authenticated true history of the dark side of the church.AND why didn't you answer my question? if a child of yours was molested by a priest would you still defend the church like you do? instead of senseless dribble you allways post,let's try an honest answer for a change ok.
truth

Australia

#419572 Feb 2, 2013
have bath in vinegar
don't drink to much
Clay

Chicago, IL

#419573 Feb 2, 2013
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
Once again I tell you it isn't the catholic church, The Catholic Church is a worldly church.
Gods Church is a Spiritual Church Lead by the Holy Spirit.
God reigns from Heaven on Earth, He did not leave control of His Holy Church in the hands of a human,
God's church are Spirit filled born again believers; people who follow the Lord Jesus Christ.
That's just a fantasy you guys have, LTM.

Where were you 'born again' people for 1800 yrs?

The problem is, you born agains get down in the dumps.. Hooked on drugs or something. Then throw your hands into the sky and God in His infinite love zaps you with the Holy Spirit. Then, you submit to unrelenting ignorance and assume you're authorities on sacred scripture.
Christ is calling everyone on Earth into the Catholic Church. There are many variables as to why people can't or won't. Christ still loves you and knows the reasons why you won't come into his Church.

I just feel terrible for all the career ministers who know the truth in Catholicism, but ignore it so they won't face the humiliation from their friends and family. Whoa to them. They are rejecting Jesus Christ by rejecting His Church.
Clay

Chicago, IL

#419574 Feb 2, 2013
jethro8 wrote:
<quoted text>i post the history of the church that no one likes to talk about,they are very decieving people,they say one thing,then behind closed doors they do another. if you doubt a post of mine look it up yourself,other than a catholic site,and you'll find the same factual authenticated true history of the dark side of the church.AND why didn't you answer my question? if a child of yours was molested by a priest would you still defend the church like you do? instead of senseless dribble you allways post,let's try an honest answer for a change ok.
"if a child of yours was molested by a Priest, would you still defend the Catholic Church"

No, this Priest would make me dismiss all of Catholicism from top to bottom; from 33 AD - 2013 AD.

Man oh man Jethro.

Who can seriously respond to such ignorance spewing from your mouth?
hojo

Saint Paul, MN

#419575 Feb 2, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
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~~~
I have pleaded with you to listen to truth but you would rather believe a your lies..
The fact is Confrinting----you have "little or no truth" to listen to!..It is "not there" and never has been!!!....Your comments are just a "listing of a bunch of bible verses", interpreting (or better yet) misinterpreting the true meaning of these verses and then adding your distorted "personal opinion",(laced) with anti-catholic lies, condemnation and judgemental vengeance! Bible verse "quoting" doesn't make you or ANY Protestant a Christian, especially when "the only reason" you are "flipping bible verses" is to elevate your continual "hate and hostility" against Jesus Christ and His (historically and biblically proven)One True Catholic Church. I can only feel sorry for you (being a former bible only Protestant) for vengeance that you show against other Christians (especially Catholics) refusing to see "Jesus Christ" as the eucumentical Savior of the World --Catholics and Protestants alike!! May God have "pity" on you judgmental and condemning soul!!!
truth

Australia

#419576 Feb 2, 2013
he already except me on his CROSS
there its very nice
so beautiful
love there is complete

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#419577 Feb 2, 2013
LTM wrote:
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How this
John was born in Bethsaida on the Sea of Galilee.the son of Zebedee (Matthew 4:21) and Salome, who was apparently the sister of Mary, Jesus' mother. Compare the following two verses:
Mark 15:40 - There were also women looking on afar off: among whom was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the less and of Joses, and Salome;
John 19:25 - Now there stood by the cross of Jesus his mother, and his mother's sister, Mary the wife of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalene.
If Mary and Salome were sisters, John the Apostle and Jesus were first cousins. This would make him related to John the Baptist whose mother was Mary's cousin Elisabeth, see the story in Luke 1.
John was also the brother of James the Greater. Together they were often called after their father "the sons of Zebedee" and received from Christ the honorable title of Boanerges, i.e. "sons of thunder" (Mark 3:17).
LTM

Hmmm....Respectfully. Just look at where this thinking starts:

As the writer "assumes"....

"Salome, who was apparently the sister of Mary, Jesus' mother...."

Apparently...,apparently, apparently....(The writer meant assumed and used the word apparently)

What is happening here is a sort of desperation to come up with some kind of clever geneology of Jesus, John the Apostle, and John the Bapist....It is a necessary ingredient in so many of the divisions in Christianity to come up with some unique identity to hold together its adherents, rather than becoming part of the the One Mystical Body of Christ.

I have went along this way for a time. I think most Christians do seek to find some "secret" within the Bible that seems to satisfy for a time. But in the end is merely another idea, which the brain connects, and misses the main point which is the Love of God in Christ....

Of course I am not saying to not investigate or study the Bible, but this is a vain geneology.(Titus 3:9 "and foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about law, stand away from -- for they are unprofitable and vain.")
hojo

Saint Paul, MN

#419578 Feb 2, 2013
jethro8 wrote:
<quoted text>i post the history of the church that no one likes to talk about,they are very decieving people,they
Jethro8--you post --"zero"---true church history. It is just more of the same old (anti-catholic) "bogus and heretical" history that you "dug up" in some (obscure and remote website) written by either an ex-catholic, an agnostic or an atheists, who has an "axe to grind" with Jesus Christ and His One True Catholic Church. Deception??? Yes!!!----In your attempt to "deceive yourself" as you attempt to "deceive others"!!

Since: Nov 08

usa

#419579 Feb 2, 2013
Clay wrote:
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"if a child of yours was molested by a Priest, would you still defend the Catholic Church"
No, this Priest would make me dismiss all of Catholicism from top to bottom; from 33 AD - 2013 AD.
Man oh man Jethro.
Who can seriously respond to such ignorance spewing from your mouth?
jjust asking a simple question,you would dismiss catholocism,but since none of your children have been harmed,yet thousands of others have,that doesn't bother you? it must not since your still with the church,don't undrstand how anyone could do that.

Since: Nov 08

usa

#419580 Feb 2, 2013
LOS ANGELES (AP) Retired Roman Catholic Cardinal Roger Mahony defended his tattered legacy in a sharply worded letter to his successor, a day after Archbishop Jose Gomez stripped him of his administrative duties and bowed to a court order to release thousands of pages of confidential files on sexually abusive priests.

In a letter posted Friday on his personal blog, Mahony challenged Gomez for publicly shaming him and said he developed policies to safeguard children after taking over in 1985, despite being unequipped to deal with the molester priests he inherited.

Mahony had apologized two weeks ago after another release of similar files showed he and other top aides worked behind the scenes to protect the church from the growing scandal, keep offending clerics out of state and prevent public disclosure of sex crimes committed by priests.

Gomez was well aware when he took over in 2011 of the steps Mahony had taken to develop better clergy sex abuse policies and never questioned his leadership until Thursday, Mahony wrote.Gomez was well aware when he took over in 2011 of the steps Mahony had taken to develop better clergy sex abuse policies and never questioned his leadership until Thursday, Mahony wrote.

"Unfortunately, I cannot return now to the 1980s and reverse actions and decisions made then. But when I retired as the active archbishop, I handed over to you an archdiocese that was second to none in protecting children and youth," Mahony wrote.

The letter was remarkable because it revealed infighting between two highly placed church leaders when members of the Roman Catholic hierarchy rarely break ranks publicly, said the Rev. Thomas Doyle, a canon lawyer who worked for the Vatican's Washington, D.C., embassy who also has served as an expert witness for victims in clerical abuse cases.

"It is so rare because they stick together like glue," he said. "The fact that Gomez said what he said, this had to have been cleared by the Vatican, they had to have discussed this with the Vatican. Mahony took the fall."

continued.

Since: Nov 08

usa

#419581 Feb 2, 2013
Gomez declined an interview request from The Associated Press.

The exchange also indicates the stress Mahony is under following several weeks of damaging disclosures of priest personnel files that reveal he and a top aide, Thomas Curry, who is now a bishop, maneuvered to shield priests from prosecution, kept parishioners in the dark and failed to call police about sex crimes against minors.

Gomez's public rebuke of Mahony, 76, for failing to take swift action against abusive priests adds tarnish to a career already overshadowed by the church sex abuse scandal, but it does little to change his role in the larger church.

The archbishop also accepted a resignation request from Curry, who most recently served as auxiliary bishop in charge of the archdiocese's Santa Barbara region.

The fallout will get worse as parishioners themselves begin to read the thousands of pages of documents that are now posted on the archdiocese website.

The files were to be released as part of a record-breaking $660 million settlement with more than 500 victims of sex abuse, but lawyers for the archdiocese and individual priests waged a five-year battle to keep them sealed. On Thursday, a judge ordered them released without significant redactions after attorneys for The Associated Press and Los Angeles Times intervened.

Since: Nov 08

usa

#419582 Feb 2, 2013
An attorney for the media organizations contacted the archdiocese Friday with concerns that certain documents were improperly redacted.

Several of the documents in the newly released files echo recurring themes that emerged over the past decade in dioceses nationwide, where church leaders moved problem priests between parishes and didn't call police.

Studies commissioned by the U.S. bishops found more than 4,000 U.S. priests have faced sexual abuse allegations since the early 1950s, in cases involving more than 10,000 children mostly boys.

In one instance, a draft of a plan with Mahony's name on it calls for sending a molester priest to his native Spain for a minimum of seven years, paying him $400 a month and offering health insurance. In return, the cardinal would agree to write the Vatican and ask them to cancel his excommunication, leaving the door open for him to return as a priest someday.In another case, Mahony resisted turning over a list of altar boys to police who were investigating claims against a visiting Mexican priest who was later determined to have molested 26 boys during a 10-month stint in Los Angeles. "We cannot give such a list for no cause whatsoever," he wrote on a January 1988 memo.

While Gomez's decision to strip Mahony of his administrative duties and reduce his public role was unprecedented in the American Roman Catholic Church, Mahony can still act as a priest, keep his rank as cardinal and remain on a critical Vatican panel that elects the next pope.

Victims were quick to point out the contrast between Mahony's pared-down local standing and his continued position as a cardinal who travels frequently to Rome and remains in good standing there.

The decision "is little more than window dressing. Cardinal Mahony is still a very powerful prelate," Joelle Casteix, the Western regional director of the Survivors Network of Those Abused by Priests, said at a Friday news conference outside the Los Angeles cathedral. "He's a very powerful man in Rome and still a very powerful man in Los Angeles."

Since: Nov 08

usa

#419583 Feb 2, 2013
The Vatican's former sex crimes prosecutor, Bishop Charles Scicluna, has said Canon Law provides for sanctioning bishops who show "malicious or fraudulent negligence" in their work, but he acknowledged that such laws have never been applied in the case of bishops who covered up sex abuse cases.

In the past, even high-ranking members of the church hierarchy who have spoken out about how senior church officials handled clergy abuse crisis have been rebuked by the Holy See.

In 2010, for example, Viennese Cardinal Cristoph Schoenborn criticized the former Vatican No. 2, Cardinal Angelo Sodano, in an interview for his handling of a notorious sex abuse case. Schoenborn didn't use Sodano's name in his critique but was nonetheless forced to come to Rome to explain himself to the pope and Sodano.

The Vatican publicly rebuked Schoenborn, saying that only the pope has authority to deal with accusations against a cardinal.

The Vatican's silence about Gomez's actions indicates that officials there were aware of it, said Patrick Wall, a former Benedictine monk and priest and vocal church critic who consults on clergy abuse cases.

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#419584 Feb 2, 2013
Clay wrote:
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Let me get this straight: Saint Ignatius, Disciple of the Apostle John, author of some very early Christian teachings, was arrested for being linked to the Apostles.(He was ordained a Bishop by John)
While en route to his execution, he penned a series of important writings, that the church still has to this day... One of them, he wrote asking his followers to not intervene as he went to the beasts, because he understood the cause he was dying for!
Fast forward to the 20th century. A man named Preston says his grandpa died; went to Heaven and spoke verbally to Jesus and the Apostles. Then, his grandpa came back to Earth to tell Preston that God had a big plan for him. He is to preach the New Testament. Because, since it wasn't available til the 15th century, people are confused to what Christ really wanted.
But that's not the funny part...
The funny part is: Preston calls Saint Ignatius a kook!!!
Clay
Peace

I gotta smile at this....

It seems preston's preference is for the O.T., so actually, it is a New Old Testament, or rather a Revised O.T., he preaches. I think it starts like this....

A LETTER TO THE PRESTONIANS

Paul, an Apostle, to you all. I am writing to you all, that the teachings of the Prestonians are an invention of a heretical mind....
RCC Superiority So BUSTED

Melbourne, FL

#419585 Feb 2, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Maybe you could show us how Constantine (ism)
Dictated Catholicism?
Until then, save your silly lies for the victims in your compound.
DUH!!!!!!! Ever hear of the first Nicene Creed?

Yes, it can be said that Constantine dictated Catholicism.

PS -- imitation is the highest form of flattery.

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#419586 Feb 2, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>and what is ironic is that now robert F, a luke warm catholic, has now become their main voice of unreason.
robert has joined probably 5 different types of religious organizations in the last 10 years or so.
and probably soon, robert f will show the world how much he loves the catholic church and its truths by participating in self immolation, which would be comparable to the devotion that old iggie showed when he wanted to be killed, even tho he was afraid of those leopards. He wanted to die but he was afraid to be killed. go figure!
preston

lol....If I explore other religions, does not make me unfaithful? Or does it make me more open to see God in everyone?

But alas, for someone like you that equates being faithful to holding pride as a stubbornly opinionated virtue, how could I explain faith to you?

Since: Nov 08

usa

#419587 Feb 2, 2013
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
Jethro8--you post --"zero"---true church history. It is just more of the same old (anti-catholic) "bogus and heretical" history that you "dug up" in some (obscure and remote website) written by either an ex-catholic, an agnostic or an atheists, who has an "axe to grind" with Jesus Christ and His One True Catholic Church. Deception??? Yes!!!----In your attempt to "deceive yourself" as you attempt to "deceive others"!!
since you just snipped a piece from my post and did not use the whole thing,nice attempt to make me look bad,like i said many times you can look up the same history i have and find exactly what i posted,and i see you left out the question i asked you,would you support the church if a child of yours was molested by a priest?? why won't you answer the question? clay was brave enough,are you afraid of the church? is that why you won't answer?
Clay

Chicago, IL

#419588 Feb 2, 2013
jethro8 wrote:
<quoted text>jjust asking a simple question,you would dismiss catholocism,but since none of your children have been harmed,yet thousands of others have,that doesn't bother you? it must not since your still with the church,don't undrstand how anyone could do that.
You don't understand because you're an ignorant bigot.
Why on Earth would I dismiss 2,000 yrs of Catholicism because 1% of her Priests committed abuse?

You're beyond ignorant my friend. There is no hope for any rational conversation with such ignorance.

Since: Nov 08

usa

#419589 Feb 2, 2013
history channel 3/3/13 the bible will be on check your time listings where you live.

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