Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ. Full Story
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#419428 Feb 1, 2013
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
Like I said before: You still don't get it!! OK Michael, stay hostile, stay angry, hold on to your hatred, keep firing your anti-catholic antagonistic (blanks) until you finally go out and buy that AK-47. Then you can do what the elementary school assassin did when he killed 20+ children in the same kind of rage hostility and anger. You can start "blasting" in Catholic Churches against "preists and bishops" like you "spray your blank bullets" on this forum, against Clay, Anthony, Regina and myself. "NO DIFFERENCE!!! No wonder you left the Catholic Church!!--No wonder you are not a Christian!! Is it NOW an agnostic or an atheist! Whatever it is Michael--you have some "serious anger-hatred issues!
You are one crazy dude and you need help...

No one is angry. No one shows hatred. I just bring the other side of the story.

Its obvious you have some very deep seated issues. Its obvious with YOUR burst of anger, you are not sure of what you really believe.

We understand why you are so befuddled, your church leaders have deceived you and you want to blame someone other than them, so you blame me.

MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#419429 Feb 1, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
Married protestant clergy have sex with congregants which is adultery. Unmarried protestant clergy have sex with congregants which is fornication. They both do it at a far higher rate than priests who break their vow of celibacy. I assume it means they're breaking their 'oaths', if such oaths exist in protestantism, I don't know.
Again, the question is; if protestant clergymen/women have sex outside of marriage and get the clap, is it not as bad as a gay priest who gets AIDS?
I mean, you were the one who made the post about sexually transmitted diseases in the first place LTM. Why can't you deal with the sin in your own communities?
Here you go again ANTHONY!

Excuse me, but you ANTHONY are very familiar with the news story that broke just a few years ago indicating that the AIDS epidemic is running rampant through the cathoic clergy for having unprotected sex with other men. Priests are 4 times more likely to contact AIDS than the general population. 400% more likely!

Report says, 6 out of every 10 catholic priests in Kansas city who submitted to the survey are knowledgeable about a priest with AIDS.

http://www.actupny.org/YELL/catholicpriests.h...

http://kcsweb.kcstar.com/projects/priests/

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religi...

.....and your church leaders scream against Gays and radical feminist nuns.

UNBELIEVABLE!



Dust Storm

Pennock, MN

#419431 Feb 1, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
Mary was embarrassed. Mary took a long time to figure out Jesus was her Saviour.
I guess He would've been better off having you two around to keep everybody straight.
Incredible.
Mary was a horrible Mother. Jesus did not respect her. She was just a piece of flesh that bore the saviour of little signicficants and worthy of berating. There was probably no umbilichal chord. Preston and LTM are pathetic. If only God had Chosen Preston and LTMs Mother then they wouldnt proclaim God chose such a useless person as Mary after all they are far more capable then God in deciding what is good and truth.
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#419432 Feb 1, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
So-called "Christians" love to read more into the text than necessary.
How else did Catholicism evolve?
NASL says.......

....How else did Catholicism evolve?

Michael says.......just like all the characters in Shakespeare, but I don't believe they were COUSINS.
marge

Ames, IA

#419433 Feb 1, 2013
53When Jesus had finished these parables, he moved on from there. 54Coming to his hometown, he began teaching the people in their synagogue, and they were amazed.“Where did this man get this wisdom and these miraculous powers?” they asked. 55“Isn’t this the carpenter’s son? Isn’t his mother’s name Mary, and aren’t his brothers James, Joseph, Simon and Judas? 56Aren’t all his sisters with us? Where then did this man get all these things?” 57And they took offense at him.

But Jesus said to them,“Only in his hometown and in his own house is a prophet without honor.”

58And he did not do many miracles there because of their lack of faith.

“Don't be afraid-I don't bite”

Since: Dec 06

Near my mother

#419434 Feb 1, 2013
I was Catholic for over 40 years(no longer), and while I haven't read every single post here-I have an big objection for the Pope to declare that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true Church. I don't believe that I have to pray the rosary and pray to Mary to get God to listen to me. The Bible says the ONLY way to the Father is thru the SON. Jesus said when he died, "IT IS FINISHED"...He never talked about Purgatory anywhere in the scripture. Unless you read a CATHOLIC Bible. He told his Disciples to go fulfill the great commission. That is to make Disciples of others. How a Church that has blatantly shoved Child Predators into the background for years, and denied there's a problem can call itself the one true Church is blasphemy in my book. Thousands, maybe tens of thousands of poor INNOCENT boys molested by Priests forced to be celibate by a Church who condones pedophiles to stay in their ranks? This isn't the Church that Jesus founded. And the excuse that Peter was the first Pope just because Jesus said, "And I also say to you that you are Peter (petros), and on this rock (petra) I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it." Agreeing with this, the statement written by Paul in 1 Cor. 3:11, "For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ." Likewise, in Ephesians 2:20 - "And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief corner-stone."

Peter WASN'T the Rock or cornerstone-Jesus was talking about the Singular Church that was/is ONE body of believers.

The word "Church" in this statement is singular. He said, "I will build My church." He didn't promise to set up a vast conglomeration of denominational bodies; he didn't say, "I will build my churches." There is one church! "The body" in Ephesians 1:22,23 is singular. "There is one body," (Eph. 4:4), and "...by one spirit we were all baptized into one body," (1 Cor. 12:12,13).

Yes-there is and should be only ONE TRUE CHURCH. One that Jesus himself set into motion. One body of believers united. Jesus never intended for there to be thousands of Churches nor thousands of people divided. The Catholic Church wants people to believe that they are the one true Church to keep the coffers filled and people under their control. Jesus didn't die for you or me for me to live in fear of purgatory. That alone shows me someone is wrong. Is it God and his word-or the fallacy/control on which the Catholic Church wants people to be scared of? There is NO purgatory-I don't need to pray to Mary to get access to God. I don't need a gaudy and rich Pope to tell me how to live my life. I don't need a Church to tell me that it's the one true Church. God's body of believers are the one true Church.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#419435 Feb 1, 2013
375
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
Wrong.
Not one word about establishing Christianity in all of scripture.
He did establish His Church...and it IS in scripture;
And I say to you: That you are Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 19 And I will give to you the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever you shall bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever you shall loose on earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.
Only a Catholic can deny the truth when it is staring him straight in the face!!!!

258

For you to be able to erroneously say that, you have to do what amounts to changing Scripture..The word is church....a noun. You change it to Church which is a proper noun.

And He never built a "church"...He established Christianity. Quote:
church: ekklhsia a calling out, i.e.(concretely) a popular meeting, especially a religious congregation (Jewish synagogue, or Christian community of members on earth or saints in heaven or both):--assembly, church.

The Catholic religion is a denomination....same as all Protestant religions...they are all denominations.....
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#419436 Feb 1, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
i CANT STAND THIS WEATEHR.
Wed. is was around 70 degrees, thurs. rainy with heavy wind , today, it was around 9 degrees with about an inch of snow.
wouldnt even want to guess what it will be tomorrow
If you can't stand the cold get on one of your horses and head south. If you want it COLDER gallop to Minnesota where its cold and snowing 364 days a year.

Blame your ancestors for settling so far north.

The choice is yours. Quit whinning.
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#419437 Feb 1, 2013
ohnonothimagain wrote:
I was Catholic for over 40 years(no longer), and while I haven't read every single post here-I have an big objection for the Pope to declare that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true Church. I don't believe that I have to pray the rosary and pray to Mary to get God to listen to me. The Bible says the ONLY way to the Father is thru the SON. Jesus said when he died, "IT IS FINISHED"...He never talked about Purgatory anywhere in the scripture. Unless you read a CATHOLIC Bible. He told his Disciples to go fulfill the great commission. That is to make Disciples of others. How a Church that has blatantly shoved Child Predators into the background for years, and denied there's a problem can call itself the one true Church is blasphemy in my book. Thousands, maybe tens of thousands of poor INNOCENT boys molested by Priests forced to be celibate by a Church who condones pedophiles to stay in their ranks? This isn't the Church that Jesus founded. And the excuse that Peter was the first Pope just because Jesus said, "And I also say to you that you are Peter (petros), and on this rock (petra) I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it." Agreeing with this, the statement written by Paul in 1 Cor. 3:11, "For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ." Likewise, in Ephesians 2:20 - "And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief corner-stone."
Peter WASN'T the Rock or cornerstone-Jesus was talking about the Singular Church that was/is ONE body of believers.
The word "Church" in this statement is singular. He said, "I will build My church." He didn't promise to set up a vast conglomeration of denominational bodies; he didn't say, "I will build my churches." There is one church! "The body" in Ephesians 1:22,23 is singular. "There is one body," (Eph. 4:4), and "...by one spirit we were all baptized into one body," (1 Cor. 12:12,13).
Yes-there is and should be only ONE TRUE CHURCH. One that Jesus himself set into motion. One body of believers united. Jesus never intended for there to be thousands of Churches nor thousands of people divided. The Catholic Church wants people to believe that they are the one true Church to keep the coffers filled and people under their control. Jesus didn't die for you or me for me to live in fear of purgatory. That alone shows me someone is wrong. Is it God and his word-or the fallacy/control on which the Catholic Church wants people to be scared of? There is NO purgatory-I don't need to pray to Mary to get access to God. I don't need a gaudy and rich Pope to tell me how to live my life. I don't need a Church to tell me that it's the one true Church. God's body of believers are the one true Church.
Welcome aboard "former catholic" ....#89,765,999

....all the points you made, have been made here 1,000 times or more before, but thats OK.

Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#419438 Feb 1, 2013
Dust Storm wrote:
<quoted text>
Mary was a horrible Mother. Jesus did not respect her. She was just a piece of flesh that bore the saviour of little signicficants and worthy of berating. There was probably no umbilichal chord. Preston and LTM are pathetic. If only God had Chosen Preston and LTMs Mother then they wouldnt proclaim God chose such a useless person as Mary after all they are far more capable then God in deciding what is good and truth.
And she probably would have left Jesus in the car while she ran into the bar for a few drinks and the casino to blow her welfare checks...
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#419439 Feb 1, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
So if the 20-30 percent of protestant clergy who have adulterous sexual contact with congregants get the clap, that's better than AIDS?
It is very clear what you are saying Anthony, that leaders of organized religions are more kinky than the followers.

The sad part is everytime one of these church leaders gets into legal trouble, catholic followers help foot his legal bill.

Thats not good!
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#419440 Feb 1, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
375
<quoted text>
Only a Catholic can deny the truth when it is staring him straight in the face!!!!
258
For you to be able to erroneously say that, you have to do what amounts to changing Scripture..The word is church....a noun. You change it to Church which is a proper noun.
And He never built a "church"...He established Christianity. Quote:
church: ekklhsia a calling out, i.e.(concretely) a popular meeting, especially a religious congregation (Jewish synagogue, or Christian community of members on earth or saints in heaven or both):--assembly, church.
The Catholic religion is a denomination....same as all Protestant religions...they are all denominations.....
Wrong. Again.

Not one word about establishing Christianity in all of scripture.

He did establish His Church...and it IS in scripture;

And I say to you: That you are Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church (not Christianity, not denominations), and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 19 And I will give to you the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever you shall bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever you shall loose on earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#419441 Feb 1, 2013
MICHAEL wrote:
<quoted text>
It is very clear what you are saying Anthony, that leaders of organized religions are more kinky than the followers.
The sad part is everytime one of these church leaders gets into legal trouble, catholic followers help foot his legal bill.
Thats not good!
Then don't contribute. It's a free country, becoming less so, but it's still free.
marge

Ames, IA

#419442 Feb 1, 2013
3Jesus’ brothers said to him,“You ought to leave here and go to Judea, so that your disciples may see the miracles you do. 4No one who wants to become a public figure acts in secret. Since you are doing these things, show yourself to the world.” 5For even his own brothers did not believe in him.
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#419443 Feb 1, 2013
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>

The Nations Capital and the political "liberal hacks" will make it happen!!
Have you ever had a "happy moment" in your life?

....You hate protestants, you tell us so. You hate non christains, you tell us so. You hate the national catholic news reporter, you hate the 47,000 nuns in america, you hate the new catholic priest ASSOCIATION and its priest members, you hate president Obama,

.......that just leaves you, and you probably hate yourself.
7Th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#419444 Feb 1, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry 'bout that. In defending Mary from the onslaught of attacks from ignorant pretenders like LTM you got caught in the cross-fire.
I hope your statement was meant to rebuke LTM's stupidity stating that Mary was embarrassed by Jesus.
It was in defense of Mary.
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#419445 Feb 1, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
Then don't contribute. It's a free country, becoming less so, but it's still free.
I don't contribute Anthony.

......... Why would I put money on the collection basket in the church if I know damn well some of it is going to pay for the defense council of some wayward clergy member who is trying to get off on some bogus technicality? I give my money to animal rescues and SPCA. Why? Because people can make decisions and its obvious many of them make wrong decisions. Animals can't make decisions so I would rather contribute to them.

YOu should know where every dollar goes that you stuff into the collection baskets in your church.

In 2007 in Los Angeles alone over $660 MILLION was paid in legal settlements for bad clegy. I am sure every practicing catholic in California paid something towards their defense. Why? Why would catholics financially support legal council to get some bad priest a lighter sentence for committing the worst sins of all. Its almost as if catholics themselves are enablers of criminal behavior.

Start asking questions in your church. Where is all our money going!.........you won't.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#419446 Feb 1, 2013
ohnonothimagain wrote:
I was Catholic for over 40 years(no longer), and while I haven't read every single post here-I have an big objection for the Pope to declare that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true Church. I don't believe that I have to pray the rosary and pray to Mary to get God to listen to me. The Bible says the ONLY way to the Father is thru the SON. Jesus said when he died, "IT IS FINISHED"...He never talked about Purgatory anywhere in the scripture. Unless you read a CATHOLIC Bible. He told his Disciples to go fulfill the great commission. That is to make Disciples of others. How a Church that has blatantly shoved Child Predators into the background for years, and denied there's a problem can call itself the one true Church is blasphemy in my book. Thousands, maybe tens of thousands of poor INNOCENT boys molested by Priests forced to be celibate by a Church who condones pedophiles to stay in their ranks? This isn't the Church that Jesus founded. And the excuse that Peter was the first Pope just because Jesus said, "And I also say to you that you are Peter (petros), and on this rock (petra) I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it." Agreeing with this, the statement written by Paul in 1 Cor. 3:11, "For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ." Likewise, in Ephesians 2:20 - "And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief corner-stone."
Peter WASN'T the Rock or cornerstone-Jesus was talking about the Singular Church that was/is ONE body of believers.
The word "Church" in this statement is singular. He said, "I will build My church." He didn't promise to set up a vast conglomeration of denominational bodies; he didn't say, "I will build my churches." There is one church! "The body" in Ephesians 1:22,23 is singular. "There is one body," (Eph. 4:4), and "...by one spirit we were all baptized into one body," (1 Cor. 12:12,13).
Yes-there is and should be only ONE TRUE CHURCH. One that Jesus himself set into motion. One body of believers united. Jesus never intended for there to be thousands of Churches nor thousands of people divided. The Catholic Church wants people to believe that they are the one true Church to keep the coffers filled and people under their control. Jesus didn't die for you or me for me to live in fear of purgatory. That alone shows me someone is wrong. Is it God and his word-or the fallacy/control on which the Catholic Church wants people to be scared of? There is NO purgatory-I don't need to pray to Mary to get access to God. I don't need a gaudy and rich Pope to tell me how to live my life. I don't need a Church to tell me that it's the one true Church. God's body of believers are the one true Church.
You seem to follow what "Jesus said".

What about these teachings by Jesus?

You do believe in ALL of what he taught, right?

http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/gth_pat_rob.htm
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#419448 Feb 1, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
And she probably would have left Jesus in the car while she ran into the bar for a few drinks and the casino to blow her welfare checks...


No job (welfare)= case of beer, lottery scratch tickets, and big screen TV.

Welcome to America!

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#419449 Feb 1, 2013
440 375 258
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
Wrong. Again.
Not one word about establishing Christianity in all of scripture.
He did establish His Church...and it IS in scripture;
And I say to you: That you are Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church (not Christianity, not denominations), and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 19 And I will give to you the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever you shall bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever you shall loose on earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.
From the Catholic Encyclopedia:

As signifying the Church, the word Ecclesia is used by Christian writers, sometimes in a wider, sometimes in a more restricted sense.

It is employed to denote all who, from the beginning of the world, have believed in the one true God, and have been made His children by grace. In this sense, it is sometimes distinguished, signifying the Church before the Old Covenant, the Church of the Old Covenant, or the Church of the New Covenant. Thus St. Gregory (Book V, Epistle 18) writes: "Sancti ante legem, sancti sub lege, sancti sub gratiâ, omnes hi ... in membris Ecclesiæ sunt constituti" (The saints before the Law, the saints under the Law, and the saints under grace — all these are constituted members of the Church).

Show me where it refers to the Catholic denomination or any Protestant denomination...you can't!!!!

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