Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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When Jesus return what he will tell you..i don't know you.
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Also, if Jesus says that everyone who does the will of the Father in heaven is His brother, sister and mother why then must we assume that everyone mentioned in scripture are His biological siblings?
If you don't know by now after 2,000 years who all the players were in the bible and how they fit biologically with each other it makes the whole story dysfunctional.

You say brothers meant cousins but you have no information to back up your claim. Maybe James and others mentioned as brothers were really NEIGHBORS kids and not cousins or brothers at all.(lol)

2,000 years and no one has a clue who the real characters were that were written about in the bible.

Its almost like a Shakespeare play where all the characters seem to come to life, even though they never existed.
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<quoted text>why are their two different explanations as to who started teh church. reg says jesus and cal says the apostles, you want to make it unanimous and vote?
anyway, anyone with common sense knows that Christianity is the Church.
For the purpose of this study, we will look at the idea of "the church" in the context of "the Christian church," which is a New Testament concept.
Jesus was the first to mention the church:
Matthew 16:16–18
Simon Peter replied,“You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” And Jesus answered him,“Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven. And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.(ESV)
Some Christian denominations, such as the Catholic Church, interpret this verse to mean that Peter is the rock upon which the church was founded, and for this reason, Peter is considered the first Pope. However, Protestants as well as other Christian denominations understand this verse differently. Though many believe Jesus noted the meaning of Peter's name here as rock, there was no supremacy given to him by Christ. Rather, Jesus was referring to Peter's declaration: "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God." This confession of faith is the rock upon which the church is built, and just like Peter, everyone who confesses Jesus Christ as Lord is a part of the church.
New Testament Definition of the Church
The word "church" as rendered in the New Testament comes from the Greek term ekklesia which is formed from two Greek words meaning "an assembly" and "to call out" or "called out ones." In summary, the New Testament church is a body of believers who have been called out from the world by God to live as his people under the authority of Jesus Christ (Ephesians 1:22-23). This group of believers or "the body of Christ" began in Acts 2 on the Day of Pentecost through the work of the Holy Spirit and will continue to be formed until the day of the rapture of the church.
Becoming a Member of the Church
A person becomes "a member" of the church simply by exercising faith in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.
The Church Local Versus the Church Universal
The local church is defined as a local assembly of believers or a congregation that meets together physically for worship, fellowship, teaching, prayer and encouragement in the faith (Hebrews 10:25). At the local church level, we are able to live in relationship with other believers—we break bread together (Communion), pray for each other, disciple, and strengthen one another. At the same time, all believers are members of the universal church. The universal church is made up of every single person who has exercised faith in Jesus Christ for salvation, including members of every local church body throughout the earth (1 Corinthians 12:13; Ephesians 1:22-23).
Doesn't matter what some protestant commentator says, nor you. Scripture never says a word about Jesus establishing Christianity, it only says He built His Church.. And an important part of His statement is the fact that He said "MY Church" not "a" church. AND He says His Church will be visible, seen by the world, not just some invisible group of people connected by their faith in the bible alone. Sorry Preston.
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When you read the bible reverse all the biological terms to other meanings as catholics claim.

For instance if someone is known as a BROTHER, he is really a COUSIN. If someone like John Baptist as the scriptures say was a COUSIN of jesus he was really his BROTHER.

Maybe even the miracle characters were mixed up. Lazerous was really the blind man, and the blind man was really the man brought back from the dead.

Maybe Judas didn't deceive Jesus after all but one of the other 12 apostles and Judas was fingered just because the catholic fathers didn't like Judas and wrote him into the story.

.....we will NEVER know the real truth, yet the book is suppose to be about the truth.(lol)

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Wed. is was around 70 degrees, thurs. rainy with heavy wind , today, it was around 9 degrees with about an inch of snow.

wouldnt even want to guess what it will be tomorrow
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So what you're saying is Jesus sinned by breaking the commandment to honor His mother.
Once again you are trying to put words in my mouth .

I am asking if you can't recognize the brothers of Jesus as His really brother how can you recognize Mary as His really mother based on Catholic Logic.

Because Jesus recognized anyone who did the will of His Father in heaven as His brothers, His sisters, and His Mother.
Your saying it wasn't Jesus' really brothers, with that kind of think Mary isn't His really Mother then .

Mary and the brothers were not part of the crowd they came after, and were signaled out as 'THE MOTHER AND BROTHERS OF JESUS'.
JESUS RECOGNIZED EVERYONE BUT THEM AS HIS BROTHERS AND MOTHER.

So where did that leave Mary.
ANTHONY.
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i CANT STAND THIS WEATEHR.
Wed. is was around 70 degrees, thurs. rainy with heavy wind , today, it was around 9 degrees with about an inch of snow.
wouldnt even want to guess what it will be tomorrow
LOL we are to thank God in all things Preston.
We have had a whole week of schools being closed heavy snow, freezing rain and more snow and more freezing rain.
It is very sunny today but it is about 30% below zero.
And the streets are an ice rink. We are in for more snow tomorrow.
Ah our Canadian winters. LOL

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Doesn't matter what some protestant commentator says, nor you. Scripture never says a word about Jesus establishing Christianity, it only says He built His Church.. And an important part of His statement is the fact that He said "MY Church" not "a" church. AND He says His Church will be visible, seen by the world, not just some invisible group of people connected by their faith in the bible alone. Sorry Preston.
dont be asinine.lol.

His Church is NOT your church.

His Church is the Born Again Christian, not 3 weeks old babies.lol

Christianity (from the Ancient Greek: &#935;&#961;&#953; &#963;&#964;&#953; &#945;&#957;&#972; &#962; Christianos[1] and the Latin suffix -itas) is a monotheistic and Abrahamic religion[2] based on the life and teachings of Jesus as presented in canonical gospels and other New Testament writings.[3] It also considers the Hebrew Bible, which is known as the Old Testament, to be canonical. Adherents of the Christian faith are known as Christians.[1]

The mainstream Christian belief is that Jesus is the Son of God, fully divine and fully human and the savior of humanity. Because of this, Christians commonly refer to Jesus as Christ or Messiah.[4] Jesus' ministry, sacrificial death, and subsequent resurrection are often referred to as the Gospel, meaning "Good News" (from the Greek: &#949;&#8016;&#945 ;&#947;&#947;&#941 ;&#955;&#953;&#959 ;&#957; euangélion). In short, the Gospel is news of God the Father's eternal victory over evil,[5] and the promise of salvation and eternal life for all people, through divine grace.[6]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity

When Christianity came to a region and people became believers then a CHURCH was formed from those Believers.

but hey, anthony dont believe me, this is only common sense.

something that you robots are not allowed to pursue or possess.lol
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Doesn't matter what some protestant commentator says, nor you. Scripture never says a word about Jesus establishing Christianity, it only says He built His Church.. And an important part of His statement is the fact that He said "MY Church" not "a" church. AND He says His Church will be visible, seen by the world, not just some invisible group of people connected by their faith in the bible alone. Sorry Preston.
The holy bible......

If BROTHER means COUSIN, then maybe CHURCH means SYNAGOGUE.

NAZARETH in the NT, but not recorded anywhere else during this era.

......remember everything written in the bible is opposite of what it really means.

It was the catholic fathers way of placing secret codes into the bible, and hoping 2,000 years later that someone like me, might crack it.


..........Nazareth, The City That Never Was


.......The evidence for a 1st century town of Nazareth does not exist – not literary, not archaeologically, and not historically.

......Biblical scholars and clergy alike have always had difficulty accepting the possibility that at the time of Jesus there was no city called “Nazareth.” They have always resisted this possibility and sometimes, quite vigorously.

.......The Encyclopaedia Biblica, a work written by theologians, and perhaps the greatest biblical reference work in the English language, says: "We cannot venture to assert that there was a city of Nazareth in Jesus' time."

.......Nazareth is not mentioned in any historical records or biblical texts of the time and receives no mention by any contemporary historian. Nazareth is not mentioned in the Old Testament, the Talmud (the Jewish law code), nor in the Apocrypha and it does not appear in any early rabbinic literature.

......Nazareth was not included in the list of settlements of the tribes of Zebulon (Joshua 19:10-16) which mentions twelve towns and six villages, and Nazareth is not included among the 45 cities of Galilee that were mentioned by Josephus (37AD-100AD), a widely traveled historian who never missed anything and who voluminously describes the region. The name is also missing from the 63 towns of Galilee mentioned in the Talmud.

......The first reference to Nazareth is in the New Testament where it can be found 29 different times. However, there is still cause for speculation as to whether or not the city existed at the time of Jesus. It is mentioned only in the Gospels and Acts. These books do refer to Nazareth, but they did not originate at this time, they are later writings. The earlier writings of the NT (Paul etc) mention Jesus 221 times - BUT NEVER MENTION, Nazareth.

Whatever you read in the bible just think the OPPOSITE. You will be closer to the truth.

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The very NAME of this forum invites argument.
In typical romanist arrogance, it tries to claim how superior it thinks it is.
The romanist DENOMINATION is as man-made as any other denomination.
Live with it, and get used to it. Romanism is a cult, is nothing special, and it is abominable. The thing's days ARE numbered.
Nope!! Wrong again, just-a-christian, which is "no surprise" to ANY of us Catholics who know, believe, adhere to, listen and follow the TRUTH of Jesus Christ's own "spoken words" IN the Gospel. The Catholic Church has never claimed superiority, but it does claim to "hold the FULLNESS of the TRUTH and the FULLNESS of the FAITH that has existed for over 2000 years: the SAME Truth and the SAME Faith, that has "slowly deteriorated and disintegrated" for over 500 years since the Reformation. Protestant "bible only"(personal opinionated) "pick and choose bible interpretation" has produced over 42,000+ contradicting (hodge-podge) of inconsistent (truth???) better known as "relativism"---whate ver each person believes is truth for them!!
Half-truth, half-heresy Christianity has distorted, perverted and twisted the TRUE historical and biblical TRUTH of the "spoken words of Christ IN the Gospel.....It was Jesus Christ HIMSELF, who established, initiated and formed His One (and only) True (Universal - Catholic) Church over 2000 years ago --through HIS Apostles-- who were guided, led, instructed and directed by the Holy Spirit. EVERY PROTESTANT denomination, all 42,000 of them, beginning with Luther were, rebellious and defiant,(hostile & inconsistent) "man-made" doctrines of beliefs, including "sola scriptura" which is a "self-proclaimed" man-made "opinionated myth"
The FULLNESS of the TRUTH and FAITH, has, is and will continue to be in Jesus Christ and His One True Apostolic Catholic Church. Despite your (personal) "false and condemning" anti-catholic heretical attacks---The One True Catholic Church of Jesus Christs---LIVES ON--and will continue, grow and teach the TRUTH of the Gospel of Jesus!!!

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Once again you are trying to put words in my mouth .
I am asking if you can't recognize the brothers of Jesus as His really brother how can you recognize Mary as His really mother based on Catholic Logic.
Because Jesus recognized anyone who did the will of His Father in heaven as His brothers, His sisters, and His Mother.
Your saying it wasn't Jesus' really brothers, with that kind of think Mary isn't His really Mother then .
Mary and the brothers were not part of the crowd they came after, and were signaled out as 'THE MOTHER AND BROTHERS OF JESUS'.
JESUS RECOGNIZED EVERYONE BUT THEM AS HIS BROTHERS AND MOTHER.
So where did that leave Mary.
ANTHONY.
where she and his siblings were in the Beginning, on the outside looking in. and she and them remained that way until after His death. even the Prostitute sinner was smarter than Mary, as well as the woman at the well. they were sinners, and acknowledged Him as their Savior, it took Mary even longer, and His siblings even longer as they mocked Him[john 7:2-5]. thankfully,in His mercy and His Grace, they also came to the only Conclusion that a Person can make(a fool says otherwise). He is who He said that He was, He is God.the Son of the Living God.
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HOJO says..
......... not dependent upon a "small handful of pedphile priests" who have "gone against the virtues, righteousnss and laws of God AND the TRUE DOCTRINE OF TEACHINGS of Catholic Church.
MICHAEL says.....why don't you attack your church leaders who have gone against the virtues and attack the clergy that let the criminals in your church roam freely committing even more disgusting crimes for years!!?
Why would you attack me who has done nothing wrong, and you not attack those that have caused the greatest pain in your church?
Why are you AFRAID to speak out against those that committed the worst sins of all and why are you AFRAID to speak out against the BISHOPS/CARDINALS who allowed these clergy to commit the worst sins/crimes of all?
I have never owned or fired a gun in my life.
If you can't believe what your church leaders tell you today, what makes you think they were any different 2,000 years ago.
You keep on believing, your like a child with a toy.
Like I said before: You still don't get it!! OK Michael, stay hostile, stay angry, hold on to your hatred, keep firing your anti-catholic antagonistic (blanks) until you finally go out and buy that AK-47. Then you can do what the elementary school assassin did when he killed 20+ children in the same kind of rage hostility and anger. You can start "blasting" in Catholic Churches against "preists and bishops" like you "spray your blank bullets" on this forum, against Clay, Anthony, Regina and myself. "NO DIFFERENCE!!! No wonder you left the Catholic Church!!--No wonder you are not a Christian!! Is it NOW an agnostic or an atheist! Whatever it is Michael--you have some "serious anger-hatred issues!
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If a catholic priest's are practising Celibacy, why do so many of them have transmited deceases. Aid is rapid among priest.
Report: Priests hit hard by hidden AIDS epidemic
January 31, 2000
KANSAS CITY, Missouri (AP)-- Roman Catholic priests in the United States are dying from AIDS-related illnesses at a rate four times higher than the general population and the cause is often concealed on their death certificates, The Kansas City Star reported in a series of stories that started Sunday.
In the first of a three-part series, the newspaper said death certificates and interviews with experts indicated several hundred priests have died of AIDS-related illnesses since the mid-1980s and hundreds more are living with HIV, the virus that causes the disease.
"I think this speaks to a failure on the part of the church," said Auxiliary Bishop Thomas Gumbleton of the Archdiocese of Detroit. "Gay priests and heterosexual priests didn't know how to handle their sexuality, their sexual drive. And so they would handle it in ways that were not healthy."
The Star received 801 responses to questionnaires that were sent last fall to 3,000 of the 46,000 priests in the United States. The margin of error of the survey was 3.5 percentage points.
Six of 10 priests responding said they knew of at least one priest who had died of an AIDS-related illness, and one-third knew a priest living with AIDS. Three-fourths said the church needed to provide more education to seminarians on sexual issues.
"How to be celibate and to be gay at the same time, and how to be celibate and heterosexual at the same time, that's what we were never really taught how to do. And that was a major failing," Gumbleton said.
Asked about their sexual orientation, 75 percent said they were heterosexual, 15 percent said they were homosexual, and 5 percent said they were bisexual.
The Rev. John Keenan, who runs Trinity House, an outpatient clinic in Chicago for priests, said he believes most priests with AIDS contracted the disease through same-sex relations. He said he treated one priest who had infected eight other priests.
The Star said precise numbers of priests who have died of AIDS or become infected with HIV is unknown, partly because many suffer in solitude. When priests tell their superiors, the cases generally are handled quietly.
The newspaper cited the case of Bishop Emerson Moore, who left the Archdiocese of New York in 1995 and went to Minnesota, where he died in a hospice of an AIDS-related illness. His death certificate attributed the death to "unknown natural causes" and listed his occupation as "laborer" in the manufacturing industry.
After an AIDS activist filed a complaint, officials changed the cause of death to "HIV-related illness," the Star said, but the occupation was not corrected.
The newspaper said the death rate among priests from AIDS appears to be at least four times that of the rate for the general U.S. population.
Some priests and behavioral experts believe the church has scared priests into silence by treating homosexual acts as an abomination and the breaking of celibacy vows as shameful, the Star said.
Catholic cardinals in the United States and high-ranking church officials in the Vatican declined requests to discuss the newspaper's findings, The Star reported. The Vatican referred questions to local bishops.
Bishop Raymond Boland of the Diocese of Kansas City-St. Joseph said the AIDS deaths show that priests are human.
So if the 20-30 percent of protestant clergy who have adulterous sexual contact with congregants get the clap, that's better than AIDS?
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Once again you are trying to put words in my mouth .
I am asking if you can't recognize the brothers of Jesus as His really brother how can you recognize Mary as His really mother based on Catholic Logic.
Because Jesus recognized anyone who did the will of His Father in heaven as His brothers, His sisters, and His Mother.
Your saying it wasn't Jesus' really brothers, with that kind of think Mary isn't His really Mother then .
Mary and the brothers were not part of the crowd they came after, and were signaled out as 'THE MOTHER AND BROTHERS OF JESUS'.
JESUS RECOGNIZED EVERYONE BUT THEM AS HIS BROTHERS AND MOTHER.
So where did that leave Mary.
ANTHONY.
You keep asking where Mary is left when Jesus says certain things. I can only assume that you're trying to denigrate her role as Jesus's mother. If Jesus was as cavalier towards her as you suggest it would mean He dishonered her and would be breaking the commandment.

The bible says brothers, sisters and mothers a lot when they weren't biologically siblings or parents. The fact is the bible NEVER says Mary was the mother of ANYONE but Jesus.
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Also, if Jesus says that everyone who does the will of the Father in heaven is His brother, sister and mother why then must we assume that everyone mentioned in scripture are His biological siblings?
But your saying they weren't really Jesus brothers/ not me.

The adopted sons and daughters of God are all who follow Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.
Re-birth in the Spirit of "ALMIGHTY GOD THE MOST HIGH GOD"
YOU CAN'T IMPROVE ON GODS WORD.
WE KNOW MARY IS THE MOTHER OF JESUS BECAUSE THE BIBLE SAYS SO.
WE KNOW THAT JESUS HAD BROTHERS AND SISTERS BECAUSE THE BIBLE SAYS SO.
WE ALSO KNOW THAT JOHN THE BAPTIST WAS JESUS' COUSIN BECAUSE THE BIBLE SAYS SO.
WE ALSO KNOW MARY'S COUSIN WAS ELIZEBETH BECAUSE THE BIBLE SAYS SO.

WHEN YOU START MESSING AROUND WITH THE WORD OF THE LORD ,CHANGING IT FROM WHAT IT REALLY SAYS YOU HAVE TO TRY TO COME UP WITH ALL KIND OF SCENERIO'S TO FIT .
THAT IS WHAT YOU CATHOLIC CHURCH FATHER'S DID ANTHONY .
THE CATHOLIC DOCTRINE IS BUILT UPON ONE LIE AFTER ANOTHER.
ASSUMPTION UPON ASSUMPTIONS. DECLARATIONS THAT YOUR POPES HAVE DECLARE TO BE THE DOCTRINE AND YOUR TRADITIONAL BELIEVES TODAY.
ITS NOT BIBICAL. THE MINUTE YOU BUILD A IDOL BOW TO THEM AND PRAY YOU HAVE BECOME AN ABOMINATION TO ALMIGHTY GOD.
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True evil does not develop in a vacuum.
Evil is arrogant. It has no conscience. It is utterly self-serving. It hides from the light and will attack, even destroy others to preserve its own demented delusions. It is an unrestrained sociopath, wallowing in the murky darkness of its own psychosis while endlessly rationalizing its terrible deeds. It infiltrates the weak-minded and subverts the weak of character.
Evil... creates a world of shadows - shadow play - shadow government. It lives by the lie.
“The Big Lie,” once thought to be the exclusive purview of the Nazis, has become canonized in our form of government. And it is growing more perverse—more insidious. Like the Nazis before the fall of the Third Reich, we are a nation wallowing in the murky darkness of our own psychosis.
I can think of no contemporary American family more twisted and evil than the Bush dynasty.
The Bush family’s rapacious greed and depravity can trace its lineage to New England’s Pierce family. Both George Herbert Walker Bush and his wife Barbara Pierce (of Merrill, Lynch, Pierce, Fenner and Smith), as was President Franklin Pierce, are descended from this same family. Originally the powerful Percy family, they changed their name to Pierce and quickly emigrated to America when Thomas Percy’s involvement in the Gun Powder Plot to assassinate King James I was revealed.[*]
Bush’s membership in the shadowy Yale secret society of Skull and Bones (S&B) has likewise not been widely reported. S&B is made up of members recruited exclusively from the ranks of the wealthy Eastern Establishment.[*] As Hoover Institute professor Antony Sutton writes in America’s Secret Establishment: An Introduction to the Order of Skull and Bones:
“Those on the inside know it as The Order. Others have known it for more than 150 years as Chapter 322 of a German secret society. More formally for legal purposes, The Order was incorporated as The Russell Trust in 1856. It was also known as the Brotherhood of Death....”[1]
Many historians claim that S&B sprung up as a direct extension of America’s oldest Greek-letter college secret society, Phi Beta Kappa. As Sutton writes:
“The Order is not just another campus Greek letter fraternal society with passwords and handgrips, common to most campuses.... Chapter 322 is a secret society whose members are sworn to silence. It only exists on the Yale campus. It has rules. It has ceremonial rites. It is not at all happy with prying probing citizens.... Above all the Order is powerful, unbelievably powerful....”[2]
S&B members occupy key positions in commerce, media, diplomacy, education, espionage, finance, law and politics—having a profound impact on world events. As Sutton adds:
“Among academic associations, the American Historical Association, the American Economic Association, the American Chemical Society and the American Psychological Association were all started by members of the Order or persons close to the Order.... These are key associations for the conditioning of society.... The phenomenon of The Order as the first on the scene is found especially among foundations.”[3]
http://www.voxfux.com/features/bush_world_cla ...
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<quoted text>your problem is that you have no understanding of the Bible. yet Mary did and it wasnt even written yet.lol
So I will make it simple for you so that even you and clay can understand.
Jesus was telling the World that all have sinned and Need His forgiveness, and the Comforter.
now on the Other hand, mary knew that, tha she was born with Sin nature and therefore when He was Born SHE[MARY] offerred up a sin offerring.
and the vatican cant deny this since it is written in the Bible.
and also the Bible records that she[Mary} was in the upper room when she along with the rest of those Believers Received the Holy Ghost.
and to help you undestand that, being "full of the Holy Ghost" before Jesus died is not the same Spiritual Experience that they received on that very special day when Jesus and God ,thru the Holy Ghost began to add onto the Church.AND TO LET YOU CATHOLICS KNOW, NONE OF THEM WERE SPRINKLED WHEN THOSE PEOPLE WERE JUST LITTLE BABIES.LOL
This has nothing to do with you and LTM's assertion that Mary was insignifcant in her role as the Mother of the Lord. If you all keep pointing out scripture verses in which Jesus seamingly rebukes her, you must also admit that you are accusing Jesus of dishonoring His mother.
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i CANT STAND THIS WEATEHR.
Wed. is was around 70 degrees, thurs. rainy with heavy wind , today, it was around 9 degrees with about an inch of snow.
wouldnt even want to guess what it will be tomorrow
Minus 17 F when I started my truck this morning.
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If you don't know by now after 2,000 years who all the players were in the bible and how they fit biologically with each other it makes the whole story dysfunctional.
You say brothers meant cousins but you have no information to back up your claim. Maybe James and others mentioned as brothers were really NEIGHBORS kids and not cousins or brothers at all.(lol)
2,000 years and no one has a clue who the real characters were that were written about in the bible.
Its almost like a Shakespeare play where all the characters seem to come to life, even though they never existed.
Why do you care, Jesus didn't exist as far as you're concerned.

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