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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 596746 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#419379 Feb 1, 2013
RCC Superiority So BUSTED wrote:
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Bingo!
Even Clay's own Bible reads "brothers and sisters."
Q: Why would Clay's own Bible read "brothers and sisters?"
A: Because replacing with the word "cousins" would make some Bible verses sound absurd.
We must pray for him.
It wasn't some independant organization that wrote all these scriptures, it was Clays own CATHOLIC FATHERS that he disagrees with.

If we could only coax Jesus to come down from heaven for just a few minutes and clear up the wrong information that catholics are telling.

Why would any scriptures say.....

1) my cousins are all with me.

2) Jesus says, has anyone seen my cousins?

3) John Baptist say..where are Jesus cousins.

4) 12 apostles would say....lets go to Jesus cousins house.

5) Jesus says my cousins are going on a holiday.

6) Blind man says I am going to the store with Jesus cousins.

7) mary says, jesus your cousins are here again!

ENOUGH with the cousins!!

BUSTED! AGAIN!

7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#419380 Feb 1, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>I am sorry that I shared the pic of my grandson with YOU. I am truly ashamed of the deceitfulness and YOU that you are displaying on this forum. they couldnt be the children of Joseph since the Bible doesnt record them along for the ride to Egypt nor to Bethleham, nor are they included when she left Jesus alone by Himself. thankfully God watched over him and today, she would be in jail,SINCE HE WOULDNT HAVE BEEN THE SON OF JOSEPH.
you dont see that mary had other children because you cant accept the FACT that your church is lying, just like the devil.
yet those children were with her constantly after they were born, and to lie and say they were joseph's is rediculous since then they would have been older than her since your church teaches that she was only around 13 or 14.
Oh what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive and boy has your church really practiced a lot of deceiving.
I am really sorry that I ahve tried to portray you as a very nice person, however nice people dont mock the Truth and lie like you are doing.(and Yes, I thought about this statement before I posted it). but might as well say it as think it.

ReginaM wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not sorry...he's a beautiful baby and I love his cute little face. I'm just worried because he hasn't been baptized.
Well, Preston, if you feel you must pout and take your ball and go home, then by all means....
You see, I value the truth and am not here to play children's games. Be sure to say hello to your new best friends, Heckle and Jeckle.

7Th Day

<snicker> .......... rotflmbo
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#419381 Feb 1, 2013
RCC Superiority So BUSTED wrote:
<quoted text>
Odd how the RCC uses the Church/State's diplomatic immunity to keep Cardinal Law and others from testifying against priests you call "sick and filthy."
Why does any Catholic believe that Jesus' "only true church" would use a power bestowed by Bonito Mussolini to protect "sick and filthy" priests?
Catholic words do not match the actions.
Thanks for your opinion.
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#419382 Feb 1, 2013
LTM wrote:
And God will say begone, for I never knew you.
Your pride and desire to please the catholic church and follow the teachings of a false doctrine.
Speak out against Gods Holy Word when presented to you.
Takes priority over your love for Almighty God .
In the verse where the Mother of Jesus and His brothers come and visit Jesus and He said who is my Mother or brothers, If your saying the brothers and sisters where being lumped in with the rest of the crowd or that they were actually Jesus's cousins.
with that train of thought how do we know then that the woman the disciples called Jesus's Mother was actually His mother.
"REMEMBER JESUS SAID MATTHEW 12: 46-50 WHO IS MY MOTHER WHO IS MY BROTHER'S'" POINTING AT HIS DISCIPLES JESUS SAID BEHOLD MY MOTHER AND MY BROTHERS!FOR WHO SO EVER SHALL DO THE WILL OF MY FATHER WHO IS IN HEAVEN ; HE IS MY BROTHER , MY SISTER, AND MY MOTHER.
WAS IT BECAUSE HE WASN'T RECOGNIZING MARY AS HIS MOTHER THEN.
So what you're saying is Jesus sinned by breaking the commandment to honor His mother.
LTM

Sudbury, Canada

#419383 Feb 1, 2013
RCC Superiority So BUSTED wrote:
<quoted text>
Odd how the RCC uses the Church/State's diplomatic immunity to keep Cardinal Law and others from testifying against priests you call "sick and filthy."
Why does any Catholic believe that Jesus' "only true church" would use a power bestowed by Bonito Mussolini to protect "sick and filthy" priests?
Catholic words do not match the actions.
If a catholic priest's are practising Celibacy, why do so many of them have transmited deceases. Aid is rapid among priest.

Report: Priests hit hard by hidden AIDS epidemic

January 31, 2000

KANSAS CITY, Missouri (AP)-- Roman Catholic priests in the United States are dying from AIDS-related illnesses at a rate four times higher than the general population and the cause is often concealed on their death certificates, The Kansas City Star reported in a series of stories that started Sunday.

In the first of a three-part series, the newspaper said death certificates and interviews with experts indicated several hundred priests have died of AIDS-related illnesses since the mid-1980s and hundreds more are living with HIV, the virus that causes the disease.

"I think this speaks to a failure on the part of the church," said Auxiliary Bishop Thomas Gumbleton of the Archdiocese of Detroit. "Gay priests and heterosexual priests didn't know how to handle their sexuality, their sexual drive. And so they would handle it in ways that were not healthy."

The Star received 801 responses to questionnaires that were sent last fall to 3,000 of the 46,000 priests in the United States. The margin of error of the survey was 3.5 percentage points.

Six of 10 priests responding said they knew of at least one priest who had died of an AIDS-related illness, and one-third knew a priest living with AIDS. Three-fourths said the church needed to provide more education to seminarians on sexual issues.

"How to be celibate and to be gay at the same time, and how to be celibate and heterosexual at the same time, that's what we were never really taught how to do. And that was a major failing," Gumbleton said.

Asked about their sexual orientation, 75 percent said they were heterosexual, 15 percent said they were homosexual, and 5 percent said they were bisexual.

The Rev. John Keenan, who runs Trinity House, an outpatient clinic in Chicago for priests, said he believes most priests with AIDS contracted the disease through same-sex relations. He said he treated one priest who had infected eight other priests.

The Star said precise numbers of priests who have died of AIDS or become infected with HIV is unknown, partly because many suffer in solitude. When priests tell their superiors, the cases generally are handled quietly.

The newspaper cited the case of Bishop Emerson Moore, who left the Archdiocese of New York in 1995 and went to Minnesota, where he died in a hospice of an AIDS-related illness. His death certificate attributed the death to "unknown natural causes" and listed his occupation as "laborer" in the manufacturing industry.

After an AIDS activist filed a complaint, officials changed the cause of death to "HIV-related illness," the Star said, but the occupation was not corrected.

The newspaper said the death rate among priests from AIDS appears to be at least four times that of the rate for the general U.S. population.
Some priests and behavioral experts believe the church has scared priests into silence by treating homosexual acts as an abomination and the breaking of celibacy vows as shameful, the Star said.

Catholic cardinals in the United States and high-ranking church officials in the Vatican declined requests to discuss the newspaper's findings, The Star reported. The Vatican referred questions to local bishops.

Bishop Raymond Boland of the Diocese of Kansas City-St. Joseph said the AIDS deaths show that priests are human.

MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#419384 Feb 1, 2013
Clay wrote:
The word brother and sister did not mean biological in the time of the Bible. It meant just about anybody in a whole range of relationship to the person.
This is why the Catholic Church from its earliest possible inception, safely taught Mary being ever virgin. The Orthodox and all the first Protestant Churches also teach that Mary was ever virgin.
Only recently did the cult of born agains - without authority - took it upon themselves to teach scriptures that do not belong to them in the first place.
Now, why an Atheist and a radial bigot would care about this Catholic teaching is beyond me . Don't believe it. Who cares?
CLAY says........The word brother and sister did not mean biological in the time of the Bible. It meant just about anybody in a whole range of relationship to the person.

MICHAEL says......so when Mary talks about her sister Martha it really isn't her sister?

12 apostles: Simon aka Peter maybe his real name is ROCCO.

Simon his brother Andrew......but you say it can't be his brother Andrew it must mean his cousin Andrew.

James brother was John. Does that mean they weren't brothers but cousins?

John Bapist was a cousin of Jesus the bible says. Does that mean they weren't cousins but maybe brothers.

If you can't clearly understand the bible and who all the characters were, then its BUSTED!

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#419385 Feb 1, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
Wrong.
Not one word about establishing Christianity in all of scripture.
He did establish His Church...and it IS in scripture;
And I say to you: That you are Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 19 And I will give to you the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever you shall bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever you shall loose on earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.
why are their two different explanations as to who started teh church. reg says jesus and cal says the apostles, you want to make it unanimous and vote?

anyway, anyone with common sense knows that Christianity is the Church.

For the purpose of this study, we will look at the idea of "the church" in the context of "the Christian church," which is a New Testament concept.
Jesus was the first to mention the church:

Matthew 16:16–18
Simon Peter replied,“You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” And Jesus answered him,“Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven. And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.(ESV)

Some Christian denominations, such as the Catholic Church, interpret this verse to mean that Peter is the rock upon which the church was founded, and for this reason, Peter is considered the first Pope. However, Protestants as well as other Christian denominations understand this verse differently. Though many believe Jesus noted the meaning of Peter's name here as rock, there was no supremacy given to him by Christ. Rather, Jesus was referring to Peter's declaration: "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God." This confession of faith is the rock upon which the church is built, and just like Peter, everyone who confesses Jesus Christ as Lord is a part of the church.

New Testament Definition of the Church
The word "church" as rendered in the New Testament comes from the Greek term ekklesia which is formed from two Greek words meaning "an assembly" and "to call out" or "called out ones." In summary, the New Testament church is a body of believers who have been called out from the world by God to live as his people under the authority of Jesus Christ (Ephesians 1:22-23). This group of believers or "the body of Christ" began in Acts 2 on the Day of Pentecost through the work of the Holy Spirit and will continue to be formed until the day of the rapture of the church.
Becoming a Member of the Church
A person becomes "a member" of the church simply by exercising faith in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.
The Church Local Versus the Church Universal
The local church is defined as a local assembly of believers or a congregation that meets together physically for worship, fellowship, teaching, prayer and encouragement in the faith (Hebrews 10:25). At the local church level, we are able to live in relationship with other believers—we break bread together (Communion), pray for each other, disciple, and strengthen one another. At the same time, all believers are members of the universal church. The universal church is made up of every single person who has exercised faith in Jesus Christ for salvation, including members of every local church body throughout the earth (1 Corinthians 12:13; Ephesians 1:22-23).

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#419386 Feb 1, 2013
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#419387 Feb 1, 2013
LTM wrote:
And God will say begone, for I never knew you.
Your pride and desire to please the catholic church and follow the teachings of a false doctrine.
Speak out against Gods Holy Word when presented to you.
Takes priority over your love for Almighty God .
In the verse where the Mother of Jesus and His brothers come and visit Jesus and He said who is my Mother or brothers, If your saying the brothers and sisters where being lumped in with the rest of the crowd or that they were actually Jesus's cousins.
with that train of thought how do we know then that the woman the disciples called Jesus's Mother was actually His mother.
"REMEMBER JESUS SAID MATTHEW 12: 46-50 WHO IS MY MOTHER WHO IS MY BROTHER'S'" POINTING AT HIS DISCIPLES JESUS SAID BEHOLD MY MOTHER AND MY BROTHERS!FOR WHO SO EVER SHALL DO THE WILL OF MY FATHER WHO IS IN HEAVEN ; HE IS MY BROTHER , MY SISTER, AND MY MOTHER.
WAS IT BECAUSE HE WASN'T RECOGNIZING MARY AS HIS MOTHER THEN.
Also, if Jesus says that everyone who does the will of the Father in heaven is His brother, sister and mother why then must we assume that everyone mentioned in scripture are His biological siblings?
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#419388 Feb 1, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
It doesn't matter Preston. You'll just say Ignatius was a kook, the Apostle John didn't teach him well enough....
Or you'll say Clement had it wrong, the Bible says this...
You guys need the conspiracy Christianity to justify existing. So no matter what is presented, your sticking with x.
Personally, I think its utterly sad you use the Bible like you do. Jesus Christ started a Church. Period.
You think He started a Bible. A Bible that needed to be privately interpreted by evangelicals 1800 yrs later to teach his real ministry- because Rome messed up the first 18 centuries of Christianity.
Man alive!
....World renound highly educated theologens disagree over the meanings in the bible, what makes you smarter than them, when you determine that your own christian fathers wrote down brothers when you say they really meant cousins.

Maybe Joseph was the real biological father of Jesus and not a ghost as you believe. Maybe the term ghost back then meant the name Joseph.

You will never know......the rest of the story.

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#419389 Feb 1, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
So what you're saying is Jesus sinned by breaking the commandment to honor His mother.
your problem is that you have no understanding of the Bible. yet Mary did and it wasnt even written yet.lol

So I will make it simple for you so that even you and clay can understand.

Jesus was telling the World that all have sinned and Need His forgiveness, and the Comforter.

now on the Other hand, mary knew that, tha she was born with Sin nature and therefore when He was Born SHE[MARY] offerred up a sin offerring.

and the vatican cant deny this since it is written in the Bible.

and also the Bible records that she[Mary} was in the upper room when she along with the rest of those Believers Received the Holy Ghost.

and to help you undestand that, being "full of the Holy Ghost" before Jesus died is not the same Spiritual Experience that they received on that very special day when Jesus and God ,thru the Holy Ghost began to add onto the Church.AND TO LET YOU CATHOLICS KNOW, NONE OF THEM WERE SPRINKLED WHEN THOSE PEOPLE WERE JUST LITTLE BABIES.LOL
truth

Perth, Australia

#419390 Feb 1, 2013
When Jesus return what he will tell you..i don't know you.
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#419391 Feb 1, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
Also, if Jesus says that everyone who does the will of the Father in heaven is His brother, sister and mother why then must we assume that everyone mentioned in scripture are His biological siblings?
If you don't know by now after 2,000 years who all the players were in the bible and how they fit biologically with each other it makes the whole story dysfunctional.

You say brothers meant cousins but you have no information to back up your claim. Maybe James and others mentioned as brothers were really NEIGHBORS kids and not cousins or brothers at all.(lol)

2,000 years and no one has a clue who the real characters were that were written about in the bible.

Its almost like a Shakespeare play where all the characters seem to come to life, even though they never existed.
truth

Perth, Australia

#419392 Feb 1, 2013
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#419393 Feb 1, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>why are their two different explanations as to who started teh church. reg says jesus and cal says the apostles, you want to make it unanimous and vote?
anyway, anyone with common sense knows that Christianity is the Church.
For the purpose of this study, we will look at the idea of "the church" in the context of "the Christian church," which is a New Testament concept.
Jesus was the first to mention the church:
Matthew 16:16–18
Simon Peter replied,“You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” And Jesus answered him,“Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven. And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.(ESV)
Some Christian denominations, such as the Catholic Church, interpret this verse to mean that Peter is the rock upon which the church was founded, and for this reason, Peter is considered the first Pope. However, Protestants as well as other Christian denominations understand this verse differently. Though many believe Jesus noted the meaning of Peter's name here as rock, there was no supremacy given to him by Christ. Rather, Jesus was referring to Peter's declaration: "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God." This confession of faith is the rock upon which the church is built, and just like Peter, everyone who confesses Jesus Christ as Lord is a part of the church.
New Testament Definition of the Church
The word "church" as rendered in the New Testament comes from the Greek term ekklesia which is formed from two Greek words meaning "an assembly" and "to call out" or "called out ones." In summary, the New Testament church is a body of believers who have been called out from the world by God to live as his people under the authority of Jesus Christ (Ephesians 1:22-23). This group of believers or "the body of Christ" began in Acts 2 on the Day of Pentecost through the work of the Holy Spirit and will continue to be formed until the day of the rapture of the church.
Becoming a Member of the Church
A person becomes "a member" of the church simply by exercising faith in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.
The Church Local Versus the Church Universal
The local church is defined as a local assembly of believers or a congregation that meets together physically for worship, fellowship, teaching, prayer and encouragement in the faith (Hebrews 10:25). At the local church level, we are able to live in relationship with other believers—we break bread together (Communion), pray for each other, disciple, and strengthen one another. At the same time, all believers are members of the universal church. The universal church is made up of every single person who has exercised faith in Jesus Christ for salvation, including members of every local church body throughout the earth (1 Corinthians 12:13; Ephesians 1:22-23).
Doesn't matter what some protestant commentator says, nor you. Scripture never says a word about Jesus establishing Christianity, it only says He built His Church.. And an important part of His statement is the fact that He said "MY Church" not "a" church. AND He says His Church will be visible, seen by the world, not just some invisible group of people connected by their faith in the bible alone. Sorry Preston.
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#419394 Feb 1, 2013
When you read the bible reverse all the biological terms to other meanings as catholics claim.

For instance if someone is known as a BROTHER, he is really a COUSIN. If someone like John Baptist as the scriptures say was a COUSIN of jesus he was really his BROTHER.

Maybe even the miracle characters were mixed up. Lazerous was really the blind man, and the blind man was really the man brought back from the dead.

Maybe Judas didn't deceive Jesus after all but one of the other 12 apostles and Judas was fingered just because the catholic fathers didn't like Judas and wrote him into the story.

.....we will NEVER know the real truth, yet the book is suppose to be about the truth.(lol)

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#419395 Feb 1, 2013
i CANT STAND THIS WEATEHR.

Wed. is was around 70 degrees, thurs. rainy with heavy wind , today, it was around 9 degrees with about an inch of snow.

wouldnt even want to guess what it will be tomorrow
LTM

Sudbury, Canada

#419396 Feb 1, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
So what you're saying is Jesus sinned by breaking the commandment to honor His mother.
Once again you are trying to put words in my mouth .

I am asking if you can't recognize the brothers of Jesus as His really brother how can you recognize Mary as His really mother based on Catholic Logic.

Because Jesus recognized anyone who did the will of His Father in heaven as His brothers, His sisters, and His Mother.
Your saying it wasn't Jesus' really brothers, with that kind of think Mary isn't His really Mother then .

Mary and the brothers were not part of the crowd they came after, and were signaled out as 'THE MOTHER AND BROTHERS OF JESUS'.
JESUS RECOGNIZED EVERYONE BUT THEM AS HIS BROTHERS AND MOTHER.

So where did that leave Mary.
ANTHONY.
LTM

Sudbury, Canada

#419397 Feb 1, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
i CANT STAND THIS WEATEHR.
Wed. is was around 70 degrees, thurs. rainy with heavy wind , today, it was around 9 degrees with about an inch of snow.
wouldnt even want to guess what it will be tomorrow
LOL we are to thank God in all things Preston.
We have had a whole week of schools being closed heavy snow, freezing rain and more snow and more freezing rain.
It is very sunny today but it is about 30% below zero.
And the streets are an ice rink. We are in for more snow tomorrow.
Ah our Canadian winters. LOL

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#419398 Feb 1, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
Doesn't matter what some protestant commentator says, nor you. Scripture never says a word about Jesus establishing Christianity, it only says He built His Church.. And an important part of His statement is the fact that He said "MY Church" not "a" church. AND He says His Church will be visible, seen by the world, not just some invisible group of people connected by their faith in the bible alone. Sorry Preston.
dont be asinine.lol.

His Church is NOT your church.

His Church is the Born Again Christian, not 3 weeks old babies.lol

Christianity (from the Ancient Greek: &#935;&#961;&#953; &#963;&#964;&#953; &#945;&#957;&#972; &#962; Christianos[1] and the Latin suffix -itas) is a monotheistic and Abrahamic religion[2] based on the life and teachings of Jesus as presented in canonical gospels and other New Testament writings.[3] It also considers the Hebrew Bible, which is known as the Old Testament, to be canonical. Adherents of the Christian faith are known as Christians.[1]

The mainstream Christian belief is that Jesus is the Son of God, fully divine and fully human and the savior of humanity. Because of this, Christians commonly refer to Jesus as Christ or Messiah.[4] Jesus' ministry, sacrificial death, and subsequent resurrection are often referred to as the Gospel, meaning "Good News" (from the Greek: &#949;&#8016;&#945 ;&#947;&#947;&#941 ;&#955;&#953;&#959 ;&#957; euangélion). In short, the Gospel is news of God the Father's eternal victory over evil,[5] and the promise of salvation and eternal life for all people, through divine grace.[6]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity

When Christianity came to a region and people became believers then a CHURCH was formed from those Believers.

but hey, anthony dont believe me, this is only common sense.

something that you robots are not allowed to pursue or possess.lol

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