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LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#419173 Jan 31, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
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Well, you should be starting your own protestant denomination since you're able to infallibly interpret scripture all by your lonesome, uh, I mean you and the Holy Spirit. Where do I sign up?
On your knees talking directly to God is were you start Anthony.
Its not me and the Holy Spirit , it is the Holy Spirit Period
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#419174 Jan 31, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
"Do you see that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only?"
What don't you understand about this verse Anthony, Our works didn't save us our faith alone did.

Ephesians 2:8-9

King James Version (KJV)


8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Chuck

Dublin, OH

#419175 Jan 31, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
The bible uses the word 'justification'. No passage uses the words justification and faith only EXCEPT when St. James says we are NOT justified by faith only. Debate over.
And you don't have any authority to declare who the woman is.
If the woman is Mary then she did have other children????

Later in Rev 12 we read... check this out Tony....

Rev 12:17 Then the dragon became furious with the woman and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring
7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#419176 Jan 31, 2013
MICHAEL wrote:
<quoted text>
Catholic rock says......
...That is why one is to stay with what is stated.
Michael says......Catholics claim that Jesus was an only child, and his mother an ever virgin, yet St Paul says........James was the BROTHER of the Lord.
Does anyone in any authority really know? NO!
http://www.infoplease.com/encyclopedia/people...
A religious group can spin a story anyway they want it to be understood, even if it means hammering a square peg into a round hole, to make it fit.
I say ...BUSTED!
It Would make since to go with what Paul said not a sect like the RCC or any other sect.
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#419177 Jan 31, 2013
1.Rom. 3:28-30, "For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law. 29Or is God the God of Jews only? Is He not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, 30since indeed God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith is one."
2.Rom. 4:5, "But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned as righteousness,"
3.Rom. 5:1, "therefore having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,"
4.Rom. 9:30, "What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, attained righteousness, even the righteousness which is by faith."
5.Rom. 10:4, "For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes."
6.Rom. 11:6, "But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace."
7.Gal. 2:16, "nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we may be justified by faith in Christ, and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law shall no flesh be justified."
8.Gal. 2:21, I do not nullify the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly.
9.Gal. 3:5-6, "Does He then, who provides you with the Spirit and works miracles among you, do it by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith? 6Even so Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness."
10.Gal. 3:24, "Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, that we may be justified by faith."
11.Eph. 2:8-9, "For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God. 9Not by works, lest any man should boast."
12.Phil. 3:9, "and may be found in Him, not having a righteousness of my own derived from the Law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith."
7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#419178 Jan 31, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
"Do you see that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only?"
I see by Faith their works do follow them.
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#419179 Jan 31, 2013
Again, works/Law is contrasted with faith repeatedly and we are told that we are not justified by works in any way. Therefore, we are made right with God by faith, not by faith and our works; hence, faith alone.

James 2:24, not by faith alone

The scriptures clearly teach that we are saved (justified) by faith in Christ and what He has done on the cross. This faith alone saves us. However, we cannot stop here without addressing what James says in James 2:24, "You see that a man is justified by works, and not by faith alone."

There is no contradiction. All you need to do is look at the context. James chapter 2 has 26 verses: Verses 1-7 instruct us not to show favoritism. Verses 8-13 are comments on the Law. Verses 14-26 are about the relationship between faith and works.

James begins this section by using the example of someone who says he has faith but has no works, "What use is it, my brethren, if a man says he has faith, but he has no works? Can that faith save him?" (James 2:14). In other words, James is addressing the issue of a dead faith, a faith that is nothing more than a verbal pronouncement, a public confession of the mind, and is not heart-felt. It is empty of life and action. He begins with the negative and demonstrates what an empty faith is (verses 15-17, words without actions). Then he shows that type of faith isn't any different from the faith of demons (verse 19). Finally, he gives examples of living faith that has words followed by actions. Works follow true faith and demonstrate that faith to our fellow man, but not to God. James writes of Abraham and Rahab as examples of people who demonstrated their faith by their deeds.

In brief, James is examining two kinds of faith: one that leads to godly works and one that does not. One is true, and the other is false. One is dead, the other alive; hence, "Faith without works is dead," (James 2:20). But, he is not contradicting the verses above that say salvation/justification is by faith alone.

Also, notice that James actually quotes the same verse that Paul quotes in Rom. 4:3 amongst a host of verses dealing with justification by faith. James 2:23 says, "and the Scripture was fulfilled which says, and Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness.'" If James was trying to teach a contradictory doctrine of faith and works than the other New Testament writers, then he would not have used Abraham as an example. Therefore, we can see that justification is by faith alone and that James was talking about false faith, not real faith when he said we are not justified by faith alone.

Clay

Chicago, IL

#419180 Jan 31, 2013
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
What don't you understand about this verse Anthony, Our works didn't save us our faith alone did.
Ephesians 2:8-9
King James Version (KJV)
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Its faith + works.
Is not faith alone and its not works alone.
Faith + works.
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#419181 Jan 31, 2013
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
On your knees talking directly to God is were you start Anthony.
Its not me and the Holy Spirit , it is the Holy Spirit Period
I don't think it's the Holy Spirit causing you to lie about the Catholic faith day and night on this board LTM.
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#419182 Jan 31, 2013
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
What don't you understand about this verse Anthony, Our works didn't save us our faith alone did.
Ephesians 2:8-9
King James Version (KJV)
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Doesn't say faith alone. You added that. St. James says were are NOT justified by faith only, but also by works.
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#419183 Jan 31, 2013
Chuck wrote:
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If the woman is Mary then she did have other children????
Later in Rev 12 we read... check this out Tony....
Rev 12:17 Then the dragon became furious with the woman and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring
Mary is our mother. Those who follow her Son are her offspring.

Don't debate the meaning of this Chuck, you don't have the authority.
truth

Perth, Australia

#419184 Jan 31, 2013
law not exist
no

your law is Cross
where you sending good people

desire to wish to have which your leaders don't liked confirm they are materialistic power..they have desire innovation this or that..

honest have tears and Cross
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#419185 Jan 31, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
"Do you see that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only?"
Romans 5:18

18 Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people.
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#419186 Jan 31, 2013
7th Day Catholics Rock wrote:
<quoted text>I see by Faith their works do follow them.
James 2:24 - the phrase "faith alone" (the Greek "pisteos monon") only occurs once in the Bible. "Man is justified by works and NOT faith alone." Unlike what many Protestant churches teach, no where in Scripture does it say that man is justified or saved by "faith alone." To the contrary, man is not justified by faith alone. In Catholic theology, a person is justified by faith and works acting together, which comes solely from God’s divine grace. Faith alone never obtains the grace of justification (Council of Trent, chapter 8, canon 9). Also, the word “justified”(dikaiow) is the same word Paul uses for justification in Rom. 4:3 in regard to Abraham (so Protestants cannot argue James is not referring to “justification” in James 2:24 unless they argue Paul wasn’t in Rom. 4:3 either).

James 1:22-25 - it's the "doers" who are justified, not the hearers. Justification is based on what we do, which means “works.” Notice that there is nothing about “false faith.” The hearers may have faith, but they need to accompany their faith by works, or they will not be justified. See also Rom. 2:13.

James 2:17,26 - James clearly teaches that faith by itself, if it has no works, is dead. Works are a cause, not just an effect, of our justification because good works achieve and increase our justification before God. Scripture never says anything about “saving faith.” Protestants cannot show us from the Scriptures that “works” qualify the “faith” into saving faith. Instead, here and elsewhere, the Scriptures teach that justification is achieved only when “faith and works” act together. Scripture puts no qualifier on faith. Scripture also never says that faith “leads to works.” Faith is faith and works are works (James 2:18). They are distinct (mind and action), and yet must act together in order to receive God’s unmerited gift of justification.

http://www.scripturecatholic.com/
Chuck

Dublin, OH

#419187 Jan 31, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
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Mary is our mother. Those who follow her Son are her offspring.
Don't debate the meaning of this Chuck, you don't have the authority.
ROTFL@U!!! Sorry Tony...doesn't say that...anywhere

New catholic doctrine???

Rev 12:6 and the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, in which she is to be nourished for 1,260 days.

*Please...interpret for me. You're on a roll!!!!!
ReginaM

Middletown, NJ

#419188 Jan 31, 2013
King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
You see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

American King James Version
You see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

American Standard Version
Ye see that by works a man is justified, and not only by faith.

Douay-Rheims Bible
Do you see that by works a man is justified; and not by faith only?

New International Version (©1984)
You see that a person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone.

New Living Translation (©2007)
So you see, we are shown to be right with God by what we do, not by faith alone.

English Standard Version (©2001)
You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.

Holman Christian Standard Bible (©2009)
You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.

International Standard Version (©2012)
You observe that a person is justified through actions and not through faith alone.

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
You see that by works a man is justified and not from faith alone.

Looks like we're not justified by faith alone.
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#419189 Jan 31, 2013
MICHAEL wrote:
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...As you know Anthony, without the followers the catholic church would have no financial resources. No money, to pay the bills.
...Every catholic priest/bishop who was arrested and charged for Sexually molesting a child, has much of their legal defense costs paid for by the followers of the church. Doesn't that make you feel good? In a way of speaking, devout catholics are sitting behind the abusive priest and his defense team in court, supporting him financially.
Aren't you proud of that? Take a big bow ANTHONY!
Where is your voice of anger, as to why church collection money is supporting criminal and unlawful behavior?........ SILENCE!
..I bring the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.
You are taught how to be a good catholic Anthony, and what you must believe to be one.
You were not taught the things of God, and how to be a follower of Jesus Christ.

In the Catholic Church; God it seems is the last person you go to
when it should be the very first.
There is the Priest, the Pope, Mary and other dead saints, whom you ask to go to God for you. That is sad.
Jesus dead to reconcile man with God. So we can go boldly to the throne of God, and talk to Him personaly Anthony.
He doesn't want you to rely your messages and concerns through other people.
How would you like it if your children did that to you, Anthony.
Its terrible how the catholic church teaches you to fear the very person who loves you the most.
Chuck

Dublin, OH

#419190 Jan 31, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
Mary is our mother. Those who follow her Son are her offspring.
Don't debate the meaning of this Chuck, you don't have the authority.
I do not but what I do have is common sense

May be the dumbest thing I've seen you post..no lie
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#419191 Jan 31, 2013
Chuck wrote:
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ROTFL@U!!! Sorry Tony...doesn't say that...anywhere
New catholic doctrine???
Rev 12:6 and the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, in which she is to be nourished for 1,260 days.
*Please...interpret for me. You're on a roll!!!!!
Your turn. Give me the verses that teach bible alone and give us the inspired table of contents.
7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#419192 Jan 31, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
James 2:24 - the phrase "faith alone" (the Greek "pisteos monon") only occurs once in the Bible. "Man is justified by works and NOT faith alone." Unlike what many Protestant churches teach, no where in Scripture does it say that man is justified or saved by "faith alone." To the contrary, man is not justified by faith alone. In Catholic theology, a person is justified by faith and works acting together, which comes solely from God’s divine grace. Faith alone never obtains the grace of justification (Council of Trent, chapter 8, canon 9). Also, the word “justified”(dikaiow) is the same word Paul uses for justification in Rom. 4:3 in regard to Abraham (so Protestants cannot argue James is not referring to “justification” in James 2:24 unless they argue Paul wasn’t in Rom. 4:3 either).
James 1:22-25 - it's the "doers" who are justified, not the hearers. Justification is based on what we do, which means “works.” Notice that there is nothing about “false faith.” The hearers may have faith, but they need to accompany their faith by works, or they will not be justified. See also Rom. 2:13.
James 2:17,26 - James clearly teaches that faith by itself, if it has no works, is dead. Works are a cause, not just an effect, of our justification because good works achieve and increase our justification before God. Scripture never says anything about “saving faith.” Protestants cannot show us from the Scriptures that “works” qualify the “faith” into saving faith. Instead, here and elsewhere, the Scriptures teach that justification is achieved only when “faith and works” act together. Scripture puts no qualifier on faith. Scripture also never says that faith “leads to works.” Faith is faith and works are works (James 2:18). They are distinct (mind and action), and yet must act together in order to receive God’s unmerited gift of justification.
http://www.scripturecatholic.com/
I note also if The RCC bases works on the commandments of God they have failed miserably at doing so.

Nuf said.

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