Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ. Full Story
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#419153 Jan 31, 2013
jethro8 wrote:
<quoted text>this is part of the church,that followers like to sweep under the rug,shame on you for bringing the truth to the forefront. your going to hell you know,telling the truth is against catholic tradition.
Hy Jethro.

....Catholics will swear up and down that what men wrote 2,000 years ago is the whole truth and nothing but the truth, but when men just 500 years ago claim corruption was rampant in their church, they don't believe a word any of them said.

....Every catholic priest/bishop who has been charged with sexually abusing a child, had much of their legal defense budget paid for by the followers of the church. Catholics who put money in the collection baskets in church financially support criminal clergy.

I have yet to hear a catholic say, I am with holding my collection money until every last scoundral has been charged/arrested.
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#419154 Jan 31, 2013
Chuck wrote:
<quoted text>
Can you give me the book and chapter so I can read about it.
As soon as you give me the book, chapter and verse that says we're are justified by faith alone, where it teaches bible alone and gives us the table of contents for the bible.
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#419155 Jan 31, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
Clay, our genius friend jethro has no clue. I suppose in bizzaro world jethro would be brilliant and the pope stupid.
Yes, he did quote from a 14th century emperor and in the context of a speech on religious violence and the need for peaceful dialogue. But don't let the fool jethro fool you, he would love the muslims to do a jihad on the pope.
...As you know Anthony, without the followers the catholic church would have no financial resources. No money, to pay the bills.

...Every catholic priest/bishop who was arrested and charged for Sexually molesting a child, has much of their legal defense costs paid for by the followers of the church. Doesn't that make you feel good? In a way of speaking, devout catholics are sitting behind the abusive priest and his defense team in court, supporting him financially.

Aren't you proud of that? Take a big bow ANTHONY!

Where is your voice of anger, as to why church collection money is supporting criminal and unlawful behavior?........ SILENCE!

..I bring the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.
Chuck

Dublin, OH

#419156 Jan 31, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
As soon as you give me the book, chapter and verse that says we're are justified by faith alone, where it teaches bible alone and gives us the table of contents for the bible.
Sure

Justified - made righteous in the sight of God.

Romans 3:21 But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it 22 the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe.

**Don't debate the passage I gave Tony. Just give me the same for the assumption of Mary just like you said you would.thanks
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#419157 Jan 31, 2013
MICHAEL wrote:
<quoted text>
Hy Jethro.
....Catholics will swear up and down that what men wrote 2,000 years ago is the whole truth and nothing but the truth, but when men just 500 years ago claim corruption was rampant in their church, they don't believe a word any of them said.
....Every catholic priest/bishop who has been charged with sexually abusing a child, had much of their legal defense budget paid for by the followers of the church. Catholics who put money in the collection baskets in church financially support criminal clergy.
I have yet to hear a catholic say, I am with holding my collection money until every last scoundral has been charged/arrested.
I've said it many times, charge them, arrest them, put them in jail, that's where they belong.

So why haven't the police and prosecutors done that? Shouldn't your beef be with the authorities?
ReginaM

Middletown, NJ

#419158 Jan 31, 2013
Catholics do not believe in soul sleep!

The False Doctrine of "Soul Sleep" and Prayers To, For, and From the Dead: the Biblical Evidence Confirms Catholic Belief

Consciousness after death is clearly taught in Scripture. For example: the soul is described as a separate entity from the body:
http://socrates58.blogspot.com/2007/11/false-...
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#419159 Jan 31, 2013
Catholic Girl wrote:
<quoted text>
It is not the usual as stated in your statement. The Assumption of the Blessed Mother is celebrated Aug. 15th. Mary is the only body besides her son that was assumed into Heaven at her death. the rest of us must wait for Jesus to to resurrect us when He comes again. Until that day we are asleep.
This is what's taught to us catholics as it is written, somewhere in that big book.
Catholic girl says..

....This is what's taught to us catholics as it is written, somewhere in that big book.

Michael says......and MOST others in our big world don't believe that, and their big books say so.

..Imagine if by chance you were born into a loving Muslim family, instead of by CHANCE into a catholic family. You would be on this forum telling us your love for Allah. Right?

Interesting that what location in the world more often than not determines what God you worship.

Culture, and your GPS location, is more of a determining factor of what God you worship.

Isn't our world great??

7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#419160 Jan 31, 2013
Chuck wrote:
<quoted text>
Sure
Justified - made righteous in the sight of God.
Romans 3:21 But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it 22 the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe.
**Don't debate the passage I gave Tony. Just give me the same for the assumption of Mary just like you said you would.thanks
Amen

Ephesians 2:8-9

King James Version (KJV)


8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Romans 10:17
So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Colossians 3:16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly as you teach and admonish one another with all wisdom, and as you sing psalms, hymns and spiritual songs with gratitude in your hearts to God.
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1 Thessalonians 2:13 And we also thank God continually because, when you received the word of God, which you heard from us, you accepted it not as the word of men, but as it actually is, the word of God, which is at work in you who believe.
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Hebrews 4:2 For we also have had the gospel preached to us, just as they did; but the message they heard was of no value to them, because those who heard did not combine it with faith.
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#419161 Jan 31, 2013
Chuck wrote:
<quoted text>
Sure
Justified - made righteous in the sight of God.
Romans 3:21 But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it 22 the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe.
**Don't debate the passage I gave Tony. Just give me the same for the assumption of Mary just like you said you would.thanks
No mention of justification by faith ALONE, or verses saying bible alone or the inspired table of contents. Anyway....

"And a great sign appeared in heaven: A woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars."

"Arise, O Lord, into your resting place: you and the ark, which you have sanctified."

Don't debate the passages I gave Chuck, you don't have the authority.
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#419162 Jan 31, 2013
7th Day Catholics Rock wrote:
<quoted text>That is why one is to stay with what is stated clearly and not twist the obscure to their destruction. Study to show thyself approved. The Url presented in no way contridicted other scripture in Gods word on the subject.
Catholic rock says......

...That is why one is to stay with what is stated.

Michael says......Catholics claim that Jesus was an only child, and his mother an ever virgin, yet St Paul says........James was the BROTHER of the Lord.

Does anyone in any authority really know? NO!

http://www.infoplease.com/encyclopedia/people...

A religious group can spin a story anyway they want it to be understood, even if it means hammering a square peg into a round hole, to make it fit.

I say ...BUSTED!

LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#419163 Jan 31, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>I thought that you were more intelligent than that or else you think that I am that dumb.
the letter to the Church at Roma was much later than the First Church at jerusalem was formed and even wiki proves that you are wrong.
sorry Reg, but it is impossible to prove that a lie is the truth.
The most probable ancient account of the beginning of Christianity in Rome is given by a 4th century writer known as Ambrosiaster:[14]
It is established that there were Jews living in Rome in the times of the Apostles, and that those Jews who had believed [in Christ] passed on to the Romans the tradition that they ought to profess Christ but keep the law [Torah] One ought not to condemn the Romans, but to praise their faith, because without seeing any signs or miracles and without seeing any of the apostles, they nevertheless accepted faith in Christ, although according to a Jewish rite.[15]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epistle_to_the_R...
AND SOMETIMES WE CRISTIANS HAVE TO SHOW YOU A LINK SINCE YOU DONT WISH TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE TRUTH
Preston , they don't read anything we post.
Even scripture we post, they call a lie.
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#419164 Jan 31, 2013
ReginaM wrote:
Catholics do not believe in soul sleep!
The False Doctrine of "Soul Sleep" and Prayers To, For, and From the Dead: the Biblical Evidence Confirms Catholic Belief
Consciousness after death is clearly taught in Scripture. For example: the soul is described as a separate entity from the body:
http://socrates58.blogspot.com/2007/11/false-...
Do catholics believe in paying large sums of MONEY for indulgences, to lessen ones time in purgatory?

....As the Church believed in the unbiblical idea of purgatory 5- 600 years ago, roman catholic priests sold certificates called Indulgences to unsuspecting grieving loved ones of those who had died, and, for a large sum of money,'guaranteed' a certain number of years less in purgatory for their loved one, as the priest would pray for his or her soul. Many priests just pocketed the money and ended up very wealthy.

Oh! you didn't know this went 500 years ago in your church Regina M.?

Now you know the REST OF THE STORY!......and you are OK with that.

Money, Power, Control, Corruption in 2013, just as it was in the past.



UNBELIEVABLE!
Chuck

Dublin, OH

#419165 Jan 31, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
No mention of justification by faith ALONE, or verses saying bible alone or the inspired table of contents. Anyway....
"And a great sign appeared in heaven: A woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars."
"Arise, O Lord, into your resting place: you and the ark, which you have sanctified."
Don't debate the passages I gave Chuck, you don't have the authority.
I thought by giving you the meaning of justification it would help...guess not.

I won't debate..I'll just tell you the truth. The Woman is Israel not Mary.
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#419166 Jan 31, 2013
7th Day Catholics Rock wrote:
<quoted text>Amen
Ephesians 2:8-9
King James Version (KJV)
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Romans 10:17
So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Colossians 3:16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly as you teach and admonish one another with all wisdom, and as you sing psalms, hymns and spiritual songs with gratitude in your hearts to God.
----------
1 Thessalonians 2:13 And we also thank God continually because, when you received the word of God, which you heard from us, you accepted it not as the word of men, but as it actually is, the word of God, which is at work in you who believe.
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Hebrews 4:2 For we also have had the gospel preached to us, just as they did; but the message they heard was of no value to them, because those who heard did not combine it with faith.
"Do you see that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only?"
hojo

Saint Paul, MN

#419167 Jan 31, 2013
MICHAEL wrote:
<quoted text>
Spin it any way you want, Catholics by the millions didn't just wake up one morning and say, lets follow Luther.
.....something is terribly wrong HOJO, yet you give them a thumbs up.
makes no common sense...
Yes---I give "thumbs up" to the Catholic Church because it teaches the TRUTH OF DOCTRINE handed down by Jesus Christ over 2000 years ago--and not because of a small "handful of priests" who "by their sinful sexual abusive actions" have "rejected" their priestly vows and commitment to Jesus Christs One True Apostolic Catholic Church. The "inappropriate actions" of a few priests who have "gone astray" is not in (any way shape of form) miY OWN OR ANY other CATHOLICS guidelines for the TRUTH of what the Catholic Church actually proclaims and teaches, in that homosexuality, adultery, sexual child molesting, stealing,(or ANY SIN) is wrong and is still sin in the eyes of God. The issue here for us Catholics is that we follow and believe in the TRUTH OF DOCTRINE and NOT the sin of inappropriate and perverted CONDUCT of some of the Catholic Churches members!! Do you finally "get it now" Michael or are you still "stuck on your anti-catholici vengeance and hostility,continuing to distort the truth!!
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#419168 Jan 31, 2013
ReginaM wrote:
Catholics do not believe in soul sleep!
The False Doctrine of "Soul Sleep" and Prayers To, For, and From the Dead: the Biblical Evidence Confirms Catholic Belief
Consciousness after death is clearly taught in Scripture. For example: the soul is described as a separate entity from the body:
http://socrates58.blogspot.com/2007/11/false-...
God! You believe everything they teach you!(lol)

If you know so much about ones soul, than you must know these answers.

1) How does your soul leave your body?

2) Where in your body is your soul?

3) If you don't know where purgatory, heaven or hell is, how is your soul suppose to get there?

.....I wish I had some swamp land to sell you. I could convince you to buy it all.
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#419169 Jan 31, 2013
Chuck wrote:
<quoted text>
I thought by giving you the meaning of justification it would help...guess not.
I won't debate..I'll just tell you the truth. The Woman is Israel not Mary.
The bible uses the word 'justification'. No passage uses the words justification and faith only EXCEPT when St. James says we are NOT justified by faith only. Debate over.

And you don't have any authority to declare who the woman is.
7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#419170 Jan 31, 2013
ReginaM wrote:
Catholics do not believe in soul sleep!
The False Doctrine of "Soul Sleep" and Prayers To, For, and From the Dead: the Biblical Evidence Confirms Catholic Belief
Consciousness after death is clearly taught in Scripture. For example: the soul is described as a separate entity from the body:
http://socrates58.blogspot.com/2007/11/false-...
Ephesians 3

To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:

2 A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;

14 I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God doeth it, that men should fear before him.

15 That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been; and God requireth that which is past.

16 And moreover I saw under the sun the place of judgment, that wickedness was there; and the place of righteousness, that iniquity was there.

17 I said in mine heart, God shall judge the righteous and the wicked: for there is a time there for every purpose and for every work.

18 I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.

19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.

20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.

21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?

22 Wherefore I perceive that there is nothing better, than that a man should rejoice in his own works; for that is his portion: for who shall bring him to see what shall be after him?

Your Pope only THINKS to change TIMES and Law.

Ecclesiastes 8

6Because to every purpose there is time and judgment, therefore the misery of man is heavy upon him.

7For he knows not that which shall be: for who can tell him when it shall be?

8There is no man that has power over the spirit to retain the spirit; neither has he power in the day of death: and there is no release from that war; neither shall wickedness deliver those that are given to it.

9All this have I seen, and applied my heart unto every work that is done under the sun: there is a time in which one man rules over another to his own hurt.

All Suffer Death

10And so I saw the wicked buried, who had come and gone from the holy place, and they were forgotten in the city where they had so done: this is also vanity.

11Because sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil.

12Though a sinner does evil a hundred times, and his days are prolonged, yet surely I know that it shall be well with them that fear God, who fear before him:

13But it shall not be well with the wicked, neither shall he prolong his days, which are as a shadow; because he fears not before God.

17Then I beheld all the work of God, that a man cannot find out the work that is done under the sun: because though a man labors to seek it out, yet he shall not find it; yea moreover; though a wise man thinks to know it, yet shall he not be able to find it.
hojo

Saint Paul, MN

#419171 Jan 31, 2013
jethro8 wrote:
<quoted text>you accuse the protestants of picking and choosing and throwing out the truth,yet it's the exact same thing the catholic church did,it even went as far as burning some books,it's ok with you because the catholic church did it,but you condenm others who do the same thing,how hypocritical.
Books that were burned, were "blatant heretical lies and fabricated distortions of the TRUTH" by those rebellious and defiant heretics that denied the TRUTH of what Jesus Christ actually handed down--to and by-- to his Apostles. They are just a "repeat" of the story of the prodigal son in Luke 15:11 willfully defiant and rebellious---until---eventuall y---"they eventually came to their senses"!!
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#419172 Jan 31, 2013
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes---I give "thumbs up" to the Catholic Church because it teaches the TRUTH OF DOCTRINE handed down by Jesus Christ over 2000 years ago--and not because of a small "handful of priests" who "by their sinful sexual abusive actions" have "rejected" their priestly vows and commitment to Jesus Christs One True Apostolic Catholic Church. The "inappropriate actions" of a few priests who have "gone astray" is not in (any way shape of form) miY OWN OR ANY other CATHOLICS guidelines for the TRUTH of what the Catholic Church actually proclaims and teaches, in that homosexuality, adultery, sexual child molesting, stealing,(or ANY SIN) is wrong and is still sin in the eyes of God. The issue here for us Catholics is that we follow and believe in the TRUTH OF DOCTRINE and NOT the sin of inappropriate and perverted CONDUCT of some of the Catholic Churches members!! Do you finally "get it now" Michael or are you still "stuck on your anti-catholici vengeance and hostility,continuing to distort the truth!!
You might love your church building, the waxy candle smell, the sparkle of the priceless gold chalices, and be in AW! of the expensive stain glass windows and oak panelling, and love the fragrance of the incense, and the doctrines, but when the very teachers of your faith for centuries have been involved in corruption, and coverups of criminal activity, how can you trust ANYTHING they tell you.?

Its time you went back in history and learned about the very men who control your church..........and you.

The church runs on MONEY. If every catholic decided to stop giving, the church would be gone in less than 2 years.

Keep feeding it!




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