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Truth

Leesburg, VA

#419127 Jan 31, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>if the catholics would stop and take time to read their Bible, they would read that His body was never broken according to the scriptue of Prophecy.
For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken.
therefore since it was not broken, it must be a figure of speech leading to something even greater.
ABSOLUTELY!!!

Thank you, Preston!
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#419128 Jan 31, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>if the catholics would stop and take time to read their Bible, they would read that His body was never broken according to the scriptue of Prophecy.
For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken.
therefore since it was not broken, it must be a figure of speech leading to something even greater.
You have to remember cowboy, that all these bible stories about Jesus, were about a man who was a practicing Jew, who devoutly followed his Jewish belief.

None of these stories have anything to do with christianity, as it had not yet been invented.

hojo

Saint Paul, MN

#419129 Jan 31, 2013
marge wrote:
<quoted text>
And they say Luther was the first to believe in faith in God(Jesus)alone for their Salvation.
Is there another way to heaven?
That is because Luther, started his "Protestant (personal opinion of the bible0 by distorting and (throwing out) the TRUTH of the TRUE INTERPRETATION of Bible (pick and choosing)conveniently eliminating the book of James--to his own destruction!! James 2:14-20 Faith without works is dead--works without faith is dead!!! Jesus Christs One True Catholic Church has taught the TRUTH of "entire bible" hundreds of years before Luther came along where he (decided) to "cafeteria styled" a "cherry picked selection" of verses just like it is being done today, with 42,000+contradicting and conflicting interpretations.(just more Protestant chaos and confusion)
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#419130 Jan 31, 2013
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
Judgmental Christianity of the faith of Catholics, against Jesus Christs One True Catholic Church, started over 500 years ago when the Protestant Reformation began. You and your other 42,000+ contradicting denominations have done "everything possible" to increase your attacks against the Catholic Church,(now in 2013) by 42,000 times since the Reformation...... You, Orville, 4GVN, Michael, justachristian, jethro8, LTM, PAD and any and ALL other bible only Protestants, atheists and agnostics have come on this forum for one purpose only. To spread your distorted Protestant propaganda and to continue your anti-catholic judgment and condemnation attacks,(that began in the 16th century) against our Catholic Faith and Jesus Christs One True Catholic Church. Division came from you (prodigal son) Protestants--"not from Catholics.
Everything taught to you from the bible was about Jesus the devout Jew who practiced his Jewish belief, customs and traditions.

.... If you believe in his miracles, his baptism, his crucifixion, the last supper, were all about a devout jewish man, and his jewish friends, paying thanks to God as Jews. that had nothing to do with official christianity that was created by others centuries later.

....If the Jews had not rejected this man, we would all be Jews today, so man was the determining factor about christianity.
7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#419131 Jan 31, 2013
socci wrote:
At the top of Luther's protest list was the Bible truth on the state of the dead!

Martin Luther correctly said the dead are in their graves until the Second Coming.
http://biblelight.net/luther-tyndale.htm
Enoch, Elijah and Moses are still in their graves!
www.cgom.org/Publications/Booklets/Enoch_Elij...
Since then the error about death/hell have crept back into the Protestant churches and comes from Rome. Mary is in her grave along with all else who have ever lived.
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1 Tim 6:14 "...Lord Jesus, who only has immortality.."
1 Cor.15:50-57 Now this I say, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither does corruption inherit incorruption. Behold, I show you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. O death, where is your sting? O grave, where is your victory? The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. But thanks be to God, which gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
Thanks for sharing very well explained.
But what about Paul’s saying that Enoch "should not see death"?
Which Death Did Enoch Escape?
Enoch lived only three hundred sixty-five years. Then what could Paul possibly have meant by saying: "By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found because God had translated him?" This verse nowhere says that Enoch did not die. Rather, it says that Enoch "should not see death." But what does it mean?
Remember, there is more than one death mentioned in the Bible. There is a first death, and there is a second death (Rev. 20:6). Which death did Paul mean?
The first death is appointed unto men (Heb. 9:27). That death cannot be humanly evaded. It is inevitable. That death Enoch died, as we have already proved.
But Paul was not writing about that death. The phrase "should not see" is in the conditional tense of the verb, having reference to a future event. It is not in the past tense, that he "did not see" death—but that he "should not see death." So this death that Enoch escaped by being translated is one that he can escape in the future ON CERTAIN CONDITIONS!
Did Jesus ever speak of a death that might be escaped? He certainly did! In John 8:51 Jesus said, "Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my sayings, he shall never see death"—shall never see— that is, suffer—the second death! And again in John 11:26, "Whoso liveth and believeth in me shall never die"—or "shall not die forever."
This death is one that can be escaped on condition that men keep the sayings of Jesus and believe Him. This death is not the first death, because Christians who keep Jesus’ sayings die this first death. Then the death which Enoch should escape must be the second death which will NEVER TOUCH THOSE WHO ARE IN THE FIRST RESURRECTION (Rev. 20:6). And Enoch will be in the first resurrection because he met the conditions!
Enoch had faith. He believed God and walked with God, obeying Him. In keeping the sayings of God, Enoch kept the sayings of Jesus too; because Jesus did not speak of Himself, but spoke what the Father commanded Him (John 14:10).
Thus Enoch met the conditions so that he should not see death. The second death shall never touch Enoch, because of his faith and obedience.
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#419132 Jan 31, 2013
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
That is because Luther, started his "Protestant (personal opinion of the bible0 by distorting and (throwing out) the TRUTH of the TRUE INTERPRETATION of Bible (pick and choosing)conveniently eliminating the book of James--to his own destruction!! James 2:14-20 Faith without works is dead--works without faith is dead!!! Jesus Christs One True Catholic Church has taught the TRUTH of "entire bible" hundreds of years before Luther came along where he (decided) to "cafeteria styled" a "cherry picked selection" of verses just like it is being done today, with 42,000+contradicting and conflicting interpretations.(just more Protestant chaos and confusion)
Spin it any way you want, Catholics by the millions didn't just wake up one morning and say, lets follow Luther.

The catholic church was corrupt, millions of educated people saw this, and flaws of teaching elements of the catholic faith that were not biblical especially when money was involved.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_did_Martin_Luth...

jesus was claimed to be the poorest of the poor, yet today the vatican has BILLIONS $$$ invested around the world in huge corporations, priceless art, and gold bullion, as 30,000 children starve to death everyday in our world.

.....something is terribly wrong HOJO, yet you give them a thumbs up.

makes no common sense...

Since: Nov 08

usa

#419133 Jan 31, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
I never heard of the Pope saying anything like that. It might be one of those news stories that Michael finds all the time.
Also, Muslims can't bring down the Church either. They've tried before. If the gates of hell can't bring it down, then no group on Earth won't either.
here's one source:
USATODAY.com - Pope meant no insult to Islam, Vatican says
Pope Benedict XVI did not intend to offend Muslims when he spoke about holy war during his recent pilgrimage to Germany, the Vatican said Thursday. The ...
usatoday30.usatoday.com/.../2006-09-14-&#... - Cached

another source:.BBC NEWS | Europe | Pope'meant no offence' to Islam
The Vatican says the Pope did not intend to offend Muslims, after he is accused of anti-Islamic remarks. Home. News. Sport.... and that clearly includes Islam."
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/534 9578.stm one more source:
Nazareth Islamist To Insult Pope - Inside Israel - News ...
Radical Muslims who live in Nazareth are not pleased at the prospect of a visit from the Pope, and have prepared a special insult for ... the founder of Islam as ...
www.israelnationalnews.com/News/&#8203;Ne... JETHRO: I would consider these reliable sources of truth,of course i expect it to be denied by catholics because it makes the church look bad,BUT if it was a possitive story of the church,catholics would embrace it.

Since: Nov 08

usa

#419134 Jan 31, 2013
hojo wrote:
That is because Luther, started his "Protestant (personal opinion of the bible0 by distorting and (throwing out) the TRUTH of the TRUE INTERPRETATION of Bible (pick and choosing)conveniently eliminating the book of James--to his own destruction!! James 2:14-20 Faith without works is dead--works without faith is dead!!! Jesus Christs One True Catholic Church has taught the TRUTH of "entire bible" hundreds of years before Luther came along where he (decided) to "cafeteria styled" a "cherry picked selection" of verses just like it is being done today, with 42,000+contradicting and conflicting interpretations.(just more Protestant chaos and confusion)
you accuse the protestants of picking and choosing and throwing out the truth,yet it's the exact same thing the catholic church did,it even went as far as burning some books,it's ok with you because the catholic church did it,but you condenm others who do the same thing,how hypocritical.

Since: Nov 08

usa

#419135 Jan 31, 2013
MICHAEL wrote:
Spin it any way you want, Catholics by the millions didn't just wake up one morning and say, lets follow Luther.
The catholic church was corrupt, millions of educated people saw this, and flaws of teaching elements of the catholic faith that were not biblical especially when money was involved.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_did_Martin_Luth...
jesus was claimed to be the poorest of the poor, yet today the vatican has BILLIONS $$$ invested around the world in huge corporations, priceless art, and gold bullion, as 30,000 children starve to death everyday in our world.
.....something is terribly wrong HOJO, yet you give them a thumbs up.
makes no common sense...
this is part of the church,that followers like to sweep under the rug,shame on you for bringing the truth to the forefront. your going to hell you know,telling the truth is against catholic tradition.
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#419136 Jan 31, 2013
7th Day Catholics Rock wrote:
<quoted text>Thanks for sharing very well explained.
But what about Paul’s saying that Enoch "should not see death"?
Which Death Did Enoch Escape?
Enoch lived only three hundred sixty-five years. Then what could Paul possibly have meant by saying: "By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found because God had translated him?" This verse nowhere says that Enoch did not die. Rather, it says that Enoch "should not see death." But what does it mean?
Remember, there is more than one death mentioned in the Bible. There is a first death, and there is a second death (Rev. 20:6). Which death did Paul mean?
The first death is appointed unto men (Heb. 9:27). That death cannot be humanly evaded. It is inevitable. That death Enoch died, as we have already proved.
But Paul was not writing about that death. The phrase "should not see" is in the conditional tense of the verb, having reference to a future event. It is not in the past tense, that he "did not see" death—but that he "should not see death." So this death that Enoch escaped by being translated is one that he can escape in the future ON CERTAIN CONDITIONS!
Did Jesus ever speak of a death that might be escaped? He certainly did! In John 8:51 Jesus said, "Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my sayings, he shall never see death"—shall never see— that is, suffer—the second death! And again in John 11:26, "Whoso liveth and believeth in me shall never die"—or "shall not die forever."
This death is one that can be escaped on condition that men keep the sayings of Jesus and believe Him. This death is not the first death, because Christians who keep Jesus’ sayings die this first death. Then the death which Enoch should escape must be the second death which will NEVER TOUCH THOSE WHO ARE IN THE FIRST RESURRECTION (Rev. 20:6). And Enoch will be in the first resurrection because he met the conditions!
Enoch had faith. He believed God and walked with God, obeying Him. In keeping the sayings of God, Enoch kept the sayings of Jesus too; because Jesus did not speak of Himself, but spoke what the Father commanded Him (John 14:10).
Thus Enoch met the conditions so that he should not see death. The second death shall never touch Enoch, because of his faith and obedience.
catholic says........

....But Paul was not writing about that death. The phrase "should not see" is in the conditional tense of the verb, having reference to a future event. It is not in the past tense, that he "did not see" death—but that he "should not see death." So this death that Enoch escaped by being translated is one.

Michael says.....I am sure theologens, church leaders, and followers would in many instances interpret that scripture differently than you.

The bible is a book of confusion.

Theologens around the world argue with each other over meanings of the scriptures.

Professional language interpretors argue with each other over word terminology of Greek/Jewish conversion meanings of the bible.

If you honestly believe the words of the bible are the inspired words of God, why so much confusion? 42,001 different christian beliefs, each one claiming to be the right one, ALL using the exact same bible to prove their conflicting stories.(lol)

Do you honestly believe that a God would create books that to this day in 2013 remain a conflict to millions?

You might interpret scriptures your way, and millions of others don't.

CONFIRMED & BUSTED!
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#419137 Jan 31, 2013
Scandals & Corruption seems to be the catholic churches middle names.


http://www.lessonsonline.info/Background%20of...

.....and catholics just keep on giving.


Since: Nov 08

usa

#419138 Jan 31, 2013
A notorious Muslim extremist told a demonstration in London yesterday that the Pope should face execution.
Anjem Choudary said those who insulted Islam would be "subject to capital punishment".
His remarks came during a protest outside Westminster Cathedral on a day that worldwide anger among Muslim hardliners towards Pope Benedict XVI appeared to deepen.
his words were taken to mean that he called the prophet Mohammed "evil and inhuman".
He insisted he was "deeply sorry" but his humbling words did not go far enough to silence all his critics or quell the violence and anger he has triggered.
A nun was shot dead in Somalia by Islamic gunmen and churches came under attack in Palestine.
Choudary's appeal for the death of Pope Benedict was the second time he has been linked with apparent incitement to murder within a year.
dailynewsuk online news:at 12:33 18 September 2006

came across this for you to read CLAY,the story is factual,it did happen awhie ago,but unfortunately for the church,muslims do not forget.
7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#419139 Jan 31, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
In other words, you don't know how to answer that without acknowledging the authority of the Roman Catholic Church, who told you Revelation was scripture.
Your hero, Martin Luther said 'Revelation is no prophecy from God at all. Christ is neither taught or known in it'
Imaging the cults that would have never come to be if the KJV did not have the Book of Revelation..
Revelation confirms Daniel's prophecies of the four beast and what was to come also in the future. Therefore we know it to be the inspired word of God by his Apostle John.

It reveals the Harlot RCC and it's anti-christ system.
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#419140 Jan 31, 2013
Every catholic priest/bishop around the world who was charged with sexual deviances against minors, their legal defense costs were/are partially covered by the followers of the church.

Hundreds of millions of dollars given by roman catholics in their churches collection baskets, ends up financially and legally defending criminal clergy in sexual abuse cases of minors.

There is only one payer in the catholic church. The follower.

Any outrage from catholics? JUST SILENCE!

7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#419141 Jan 31, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
In other words, you don't know how to answer that without acknowledging the authority of the Roman Catholic Church, who told you Revelation was scripture.
Your hero, Martin Luther said 'Revelation is no prophecy from God at all. Christ is neither taught or known in it'
Imaging the cults that would have never come to be if the KJV did not have the Book of Revelation..
Luther Ole Boy didn't know what he was talking about then concerning Revelation nor does Luther or your Pope do my my thinking for me as I read the scriptures as to weather what is being taught to be so and come to my own conclusion after doing so.
7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#419142 Jan 31, 2013
MICHAEL wrote:
<quoted text>
catholic says........
....But Paul was not writing about that death. The phrase "should not see" is in the conditional tense of the verb, having reference to a future event. It is not in the past tense, that he "did not see" death—but that he "should not see death." So this death that Enoch escaped by being translated is one.
Michael says.....I am sure theologens, church leaders, and followers would in many instances interpret that scripture differently than you.
The bible is a book of confusion.
Theologens around the world argue with each other over meanings of the scriptures.
Professional language interpretors argue with each other over word terminology of Greek/Jewish conversion meanings of the bible.
If you honestly believe the words of the bible are the inspired words of God, why so much confusion? 42,001 different christian beliefs, each one claiming to be the right one, ALL using the exact same bible to prove their conflicting stories.(lol)
Do you honestly believe that a God would create books that to this day in 2013 remain a conflict to millions?
You might interpret scriptures your way, and millions of others don't.
CONFIRMED & BUSTED!
That is why one is to stay with what is stated clearly and not twist the obscure to their destruction. Study to show thyself approved. The Url presented in no way contridicted other scripture in Gods word on the subject.
7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#419143 Jan 31, 2013
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
"fruit of the vine"
Jesus NEVER referred to the "fruit of the vine" as "His blood."
Jesus said, "take and eat."
He LITERALLY gave them bread and juice.
Maybe you need to be directing your comment to Anthony as I never stated the fruit of his vine was referred to his blood. Nor that the priest was given power to change the bread and wine into the elements of Christ body.

Anthony MN wrote:

<quoted text>
"Transubstantiation is when the priest is given power by the Holy Spirit to change the bread and wine into the body and blood of Christ."
1. The priest isn't given the "power" to change the bread and wine. He's not "doing" it.
2. Transubstantiation describes what takes place with the elements, the conversion of them into His body and blood. It is not describing the "power", the priest, the Holy Spirit, the Sacrifice, etc.
3. Transubstantiation is essentially the description of that moment, the before and after, when the change occurs. Nothing more.
4. Transubstantiation is a part of the doctrine of the Eucharist, it is not the doctrine itself.
You are describig something the Bibe never say's.
Clay

Chicago, IL

#419144 Jan 31, 2013
jethro8 wrote:
<quoted text> here's one source:
USATODAY.com - Pope meant no insult to Islam, Vatican says
Pope Benedict XVI did not intend to offend Muslims when he spoke about holy war during his recent pilgrimage to Germany, the Vatican said Thursday. The ...
usatoday30.usatoday.com/.../2006-09-14-&#... - Cached
another source:.BBC NEWS | Europe | Pope'meant no offence' to Islam
The Vatican says the Pope did not intend to offend Muslims, after he is accused of anti-Islamic remarks. Home. News. Sport.... and that clearly includes Islam."
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/534 9578.stm one more source:
Nazareth Islamist To Insult Pope - Inside Israel - News ...
Radical Muslims who live in Nazareth are not pleased at the prospect of a visit from the Pope, and have prepared a special insult for ... the founder of Islam as ...
www.israelnationalnews.com/News/&#8203;Ne... JETHRO: I would consider these reliable sources of truth,of course i expect it to be denied by catholics because it makes the church look bad,BUT if it was a possitive story of the church,catholics would embrace it.
None of your links work. But I Googled it, and as expected you and your team didn't tell the whole truth.
The incident you're trying to recycle, happened 7 yrs ago, the Pope was quoting a 14th century Emperor. Its not news anymore.
Regardless, the Pope would be correct in condemning Jihad
Clay

Chicago, IL

#419145 Jan 31, 2013
jethro8 wrote:
A notorious Muslim extremist told a demonstration in London yesterday that the Pope should face execution.
Anjem Choudary said those who insulted Islam would be "subject to capital punishment".
His remarks came during a protest outside Westminster Cathedral on a day that worldwide anger among Muslim hardliners towards Pope Benedict XVI appeared to deepen.
his words were taken to mean that he called the prophet Mohammed "evil and inhuman".
He insisted he was "deeply sorry" but his humbling words did not go far enough to silence all his critics or quell the violence and anger he has triggered.
A nun was shot dead in Somalia by Islamic gunmen and churches came under attack in Palestine.
Choudary's appeal for the death of Pope Benedict was the second time he has been linked with apparent incitement to murder within a year.
dailynewsuk online news:at 12:33 18 September 2006
came across this for you to read CLAY,the story is factual,it did happen awhie ago,but unfortunately for the church,muslims do not forget.
Shame on you for attempting to stir the pot on old news. And yeah, Muslims did forget. Even though they can be ignorant at times, the leaders - once they heard the whole story - acknowledged the Pope is not an enemy.
You would love a Holy War to break out so you can see the Church get toppled.
Ha, only in your twisted bigoted mind.
The CC is not going anywhere. Truth is truth.

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#419146 Jan 31, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
098
<quoted text>
Anthony MN wrote:You were not in Ephesus when St. Paul wote these words.
JAC wrote: So you are claiming you WERE? Boy, you ARE old...
How about it Tony??? How was life with out TV and computers??? What did you use instead of toilet tissue???!!!!
That's a darn good question!! They didn't have Sears and Roebuck in them thar days either!:)

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