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Clay

United States

#419014 Jan 30, 2013
Chuck wrote:
<quoted text>
share with the group what it is then Tony.
I don't tell catholics what to believe..the pope does.
Actually, the Pope doesn't either. He has to believe the same teachings as his predecessors.
Therefore, anything He tells us will never go against what was already revealed from the Apostles.
What I'm saying is, if he is 'telling' us what to believe, it isn't coming from his personal opinion on scripture per se, but always in line - and never contradicting sacred scripture.
Chuck

Dublin, OH

#419015 Jan 30, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
I guess if you truly want, you could say Paul was literally calling them Saints - in black and white like you say and in the context you say.
But I don't understand why you think this verse is including everyone on Earth who calls themselves a Christian? Especially since many of you don't share the same theology as Paul or anyone else in that time period.
Why do you make things difficult...it's not.

Eph 4:12 applies to Christians...all Christians..yes even today's Christians.

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#419016 Jan 30, 2013
ReginaM wrote:
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These have got to be the most ridiculous people I've ever encountered. They're lunatics who are actually informing their faith from the INTERNET of all places!!! Two of them are recommending in on this page alone! LOL!!!
They blatantly admit it, with no shame whatsoever....absolutely 100 percent, whacked out, absurd! And we're arguing with that stupidity??!! Ignorance of that kind can never be penetrated...never, ever, never. No wonder most of us just sit back and laugh at them anymore!
ReginaM
Peace

Well. I have to agree. I have been "half" reading some of the ridiculous posts on here.

I just responded to preston, because he has enough reasoning ability to understand....Most of the other anti-Catholic, ant-Christian posts just don't deserve an answer, as it is to difficult to respond with reason to irrational ideas. More or less all are building up their own faith by the destruction and basic hate.(Of course they can't see this. But I think it has something to do with self-loathing.). I believe at times it is ignorance of a fashion.(Mostly invincible), but more a lack of temperance regarding pride.(Of course we are all susceptable, and I know I have transgressed this boundry.)

I just wonder what good comes out of going over and over the same things with the same people....
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#419017 Jan 30, 2013
Robert F wrote:
<quoted text>
preston
"Patristic period
The belief that the Eucharist conveyed to the believer the body and blood of Christ appears to have been widespread from an early date, and the elements were commonly referred to as the body and the blood by early Christian writers. The early Christians who use these terms also speak of it as the flesh and blood of Christ, the same flesh and blood which suffered and died on the cross.
"The short document known as the Teaching of the Apostles or Didache, which may be the earliest Christian document outside of the New Testament to speak of the Eucharist, says, "Let no one eat or drink of the Eucharist with you except those who have been baptized in the Name of the Lord,"[14] for it was in reference to this that the Lord said, "Do not give that which is holy to dogs." Matthew 7:6"
"Other fourth-century Christian writers say that in the Eucharist there occurs a "change",[20] "transelementation", [21] "transformation",[22 ] "transposing",[23] "alteration"[24] of the bread into the body of Christ.
In AD 400, Augustine quotes Cyprian (AD 200): "For as Christ says 'I am the true vine,' it follows that the blood of Christ is wine, not water; and the cup cannot appear to contain His blood by which we are redeemed and quickened, if the wine be absent; for by the wine is the blood of Christ typified,..."[25]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transubstantiati...
The way you write, it is as if you think the Real Presence of Christ in the wine and bread does not exist. The use of the word transubstantiation is merely a later word used to describe through understanding that it is not the accidental, but the essence that is changed....
Back to square one for you....A sinner
Rob, every day when I sit down to supper, and say grace over the food, I remember Jesus. I remember He is the son of God , I remember Jesus died for this sinner, and I am so grateful for what He did.
When I lay on my bed at night and Pray, and give God thanks for everything, I remember Jesus is my Redeemer.
I have Bibles through out the house, if one chooses to read one.
Yes even a catholic Bible Rob.
I have believed in a God since I was 3, I don't have pictures suppositly of mary or Jesus , nor any plaster statues to remind me that there is a God.
I have gone periods not reading the Bible, then slowing I get a longing to read the word, a hunger is more like it.
There isn't one person who has truly been born again, forgets God and the gift of Grace and Mercy in their life.
We are God's we belong to Him, His spirit persues us , He never leaves nor forsakens us.
A picture or statue how little you think of God if you need them to remember Him. And to make Him so small, you think He is in a wafer because the catholic church says so.
'MY GOD IS THE ALMIGHTY GOD OF ISRAEL THE GREAT I AM'
HE REMINDS ME; WHO HE IS,
THE HEAVENS DECLARE THE GLORY OF THE LORD.
ReginaM

Jackson, NJ

#419018 Jan 30, 2013
Chuck wrote:
<quoted text>
Why do you make things difficult...it's not.
Eph 4:12 applies to Christians...all Christians..yes even today's Christians.
That's right...Christians. St. Paul would not consider you or any other protestant a Christian. He and the rest of the Church tossed people like you out on their ears. You were called heretics and rightly so.
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#419019 Jan 30, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, the Pope doesn't either. He has to believe the same teachings as his predecessors.
Therefore, anything He tells us will never go against what was already revealed from the Apostles.
What I'm saying is, if he is 'telling' us what to believe, it isn't coming from his personal opinion on scripture per se, but always in line - and never contradicting sacred scripture.
Sorry Clay, the catholic teachings have changed many times.
They have changed what is sin and what isn't which changes from pope to pope.
They have exalted Mary many times since 1950, making her more powerful each time.
What they haven't changed is the pagan teachings from once a very powerful religion. You know the sungodess, which goes by different name depending on the counry you live in.
You have had the wool pulled over your eyes you can't see so you don't believe.
Blessed are those who believe and can't see.
Chuck

Dublin, OH

#419020 Jan 30, 2013
ReginaM wrote:
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That's right...Christians. St. Paul would not consider you or any other protestant a Christian. He and the rest of the Church tossed people like you out on their ears. You were called heretics and rightly so.
Christians/Saints..at least you get it Regina. Fact is saints are not dead there are alive and well. Thanks for jumping on board.
ReginaM

Jackson, NJ

#419021 Jan 30, 2013
Robert F wrote:
<quoted text>
ReginaM
Peace
Well. I have to agree. I have been "half" reading some of the ridiculous posts on here.
I just responded to preston, because he has enough reasoning ability to understand....Most of the other anti-Catholic, ant-Christian posts just don't deserve an answer, as it is to difficult to respond with reason to irrational ideas. More or less all are building up their own faith by the destruction and basic hate.(Of course they can't see this. But I think it has something to do with self-loathing.). I believe at times it is ignorance of a fashion.(Mostly invincible), but more a lack of temperance regarding pride.(Of course we are all susceptable, and I know I have transgressed this boundry.)
I just wonder what good comes out of going over and over the same things with the same people....
And now I agree with you, Robert. This is pretty much my thinking on the matter also. Pride, envy, a need to justify and rationalize what they believe based solely on the destruction of what they know to be the truth but are too proud to admit (there's that pride again), and of course the abject ignorance. If I'm not mistaken, this is the recipe for bigotry.

I know I've been grossly unkind lately, and that's something I have to work on, but more than anything I detest their lies. It's too unconscionable. We are called to defend the faith and the Church because they are of God, but you're correct in that nothing will change especially after all this time. It does keep one on their toes though, lol! And it's certainly been an eye-opener at the audacity of some people to call themselves Christians. I had no idea protestants were such hateful people!!

Their behavior here is causing me to feel some prejudice toward all protestants now, and that's not good. I wonder if these people are proud of their witness at turning people off?
ReginaM

Jackson, NJ

#419022 Jan 30, 2013
Chuck wrote:
<quoted text>
Christians/Saints..at least you get it Regina. Fact is saints are not dead there are alive and well. Thanks for jumping on board.
They are alive and well in Heaven! They are the Church Triumphant.

Thanks for being exactly how I just described you to another poster.
It's good to be right!:)
Clay

United States

#419023 Jan 30, 2013
LTM wrote:
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Sorry Clay, the catholic teachings have changed many times.
They have changed what is sin and what isn't which changes from pope to pope.
They have exalted Mary many times since 1950, making her more powerful each time.
What they haven't changed is the pagan teachings from once a very powerful religion. You know the sungodess, which goes by different name depending on the counry you live in.
You have had the wool pulled over your eyes you can't see so you don't believe.
Blessed are those who believe and can't see.
Maybe you could show me where the Church taught something about Mary. Then later reversed the teaching?
Things are allowed to be clarified... But never ever reversed to mean opposite.
You and your team have reversed almost everything that Christians once understood. This is why the CC looks so much different than you. You changed. We stayed the same.
Clay

United States

#419024 Jan 30, 2013
Chuck wrote:
<quoted text>
Why do you make things difficult...it's not.
Eph 4:12 applies to Christians...all Christians..yes even today's Christians.
All Christians? Every single one of them, no matter how they live and what they do? As long as they are Christians?
That's a false teaching Chuck.
I would only agree that many are living Saintly lives and only God knows if they'll keep it up until death, and then can be a true Saint in Heaven.

Since: Nov 08

usa

#419026 Jan 30, 2013
to clay;you asked me why muslims were burning down catholic churches,and i told you it was because of an idiot of a pope the church has who shouldn't even be pope you didn't believe me here is part of what he said, stated " Benedict said, I quote,'Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached.' " JETHRO,now tell me i'm wrong about benny being pope only for the fact it gives him diplomatic immunity.
Catholic Girl

Bethpage, NY

#419027 Jan 30, 2013
ReginaM wrote:
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Christ was celibate. I guess she doesn't "agree" with that. How vile. LOL!
Don't recollect ever hearing/reading this about Jesus while he was on earth. I thought with Mary Magdelyne by His side that she was His main squeeze. He came to earth for the experience and of course to save us, why not relations with a woman.

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#419028 Jan 30, 2013
LTM wrote:
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No wonder the catholic people can't understand, when even a priest can't understand simple Scriptures.
LTM, Robert is not the ROB who is a priest. Robert is a shake and bake catholic. today he is a catholic, tomorrow who knows?

many times the catholics on here welcome him back into their fold. as he comes and he goes. he has no foundation to become a Christian so he stays a luke warm catholic.

robert just likes to argue.

Since: Nov 08

usa

#419029 Jan 30, 2013
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
That is right---Jesus Christs One (and only) Church never was and never will be denominational!!!!...... Denominations began with Luther--who "totally split off from the Catholic Church at the Protestant Reformation. Denominations were "non-existent for over 1500 years.-- There are no "CATHOLIC denominations" among Jesus Christ One True (Universal-Catholic) Church---Only "PROTESTANT denominations" --42,000 of them--all inconsistent to one another, all contradicting each others doctrine and all in opposition to each other!!---No connection--what-so-ever to Jesus Christs One True Catholic Church--42,000 different "prodigal sons" --defiant and rebellious to the TRUTH of Our Lords TRUE Catholic Church--the bride of Christ!!!
your saying protestants were around before catholics and christians,muslims too?catholic is a denomination since it is a man made word and the church is of mans creation of christianity and paganism,jesus never mentions "my catholic church",he says "my church". immagine gods church built in a pagan country,i seriously doubt it.

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#419030 Jan 30, 2013
7th Day Catholic Rocks wrote:
<quoted text>Percy wrote:
so I never preach hell fire and dammnation.
7th
You have stated no telling how many times that this one and that one was damned and going to hell so now tell us another one Percy. You ar ethe only person ever I heard tell Christ appeared and he was sitting down in a seat.
Any time a angel or messenger of the Lord appeared he most certainly was not sitting down......lol
preston wrote:
May God find him a nice quite out of the way place in a hot
community. where the sun never shines.
Comments (Page 19,699)
for you mr sda and everyone can see that my words are the same today as they were almost 5 years ago.
atemcowboy
Since: Jan 08
but if you had read my posts, you would have found a man who had found favor with God. you would have found a man who as a young boy, Had a experience that few have had. not many could state that God had sent a relative back from death to tell his grandson that God had a JOB for him to do. and that is why I could state that I believed in a place called Paradise(He seen it and described it to me), that is why ten years later on my way to the "killing fields" of vietnam, Jesus appeared to me, sitting right next to me(Jan 30<1965)
since karen is the only person on here who has heard me Preach. ASK HER IF I PREACH HELL FIRE AND DAMNATION. THAT SHOULD SOLVE IT VERY EASY.

but to use a verse where Jesusa says "to repent or Perish "isnt Preaching.
Fun Facts

Freeland, MI

#419031 Jan 30, 2013
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
OK!! Which one of the 42,000 contradicting Protestant "relative truths" are you referring to in the Word of God?? The bible is "inundated" with "Protestant" interpreted (or better yet mis-interpreted) cherry picked (supposed) Truths.
*In Ephesians 2:20 apostles are called the foundation of the Church
*In I Corinthians 3:11 Jesus is called the foundation of the Church
*In I Corinthians 3:12 the faithful build upon the foundation
*In Matthew 16:18 Jesus builds upon the foundation
*In I Peter 2:5 faithful are called stones of Gods spiritual house
*In Acts 4:11 Jesus is called the stone of Gods house
*In I Corinthians 3:16 the faithful are the temple of God
*In the Apocalypse 21:22 Jesus is the temple of God
*In Acts 20:28 the apostles are called the bishops of the flock
*In I Peter 2:25 Jesus is called the bishop of the flock
So which one of your 42,000 inconsistent "smorgasboard" of (cafeteria style) "pick and choose" (truths) are you talking about!!
Jesus taught us in Sacred Scripture about His One True Church and the authority He granted to his Apostles and their successors. The Bible is the Word of God but it is NOT the ONLY authority for Christians! It can't be --because it cannot interpret itself to arrive at the TRUTH. Most "definitely not" 42,000+ bible only Protestant (inconsistent and conflicting) interpretations...... The Bible directs us to an authority "outside of itself" to understand what it "actually means"! That is why Paul, in 1 Timothy 3:15 calls "the Church (not the bible) the pillar, pinnacle and foundation of the TRUTH. Catholics have the "greatest love for Sacred Scripture, to insure that it is "properly interpreted" and not (abused) by false and heretical interpretations that continue to divide "the body of Christ"
A very nice presentation of the Church as an institution...

if I may I would like to add this...
http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p123a9p3.htm
Clay

United States

#419032 Jan 30, 2013
jethro8 wrote:
to clay;you asked me why muslims were burning down catholic churches,and i told you it was because of an idiot of a pope the church has who shouldn't even be pope you didn't believe me here is part of what he said, stated " Benedict said, I quote,'Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached.' " JETHRO,now tell me i'm wrong about benny being pope only for the fact it gives him diplomatic immunity.
I don't remember asking you why Muslims were burning down Catholic Churches.
And I never heard your quote of Pope Benedict before. Where did you get that?

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#419033 Jan 30, 2013
ReginaM wrote:
<quoted text>
And now I agree with you, Robert. This is pretty much my thinking on the matter also. Pride, envy, a need to justify and rationalize what they believe based solely on the destruction of what they know to be the truth but are too proud to admit (there's that pride again), and of course the abject ignorance. If I'm not mistaken, this is the recipe for bigotry.
I know I've been grossly unkind lately, and that's something I have to work on, but more than anything I detest their lies. It's too unconscionable. We are called to defend the faith and the Church because they are of God, but you're correct in that nothing will change especially after all this time. It does keep one on their toes though, lol! And it's certainly been an eye-opener at the audacity of some people to call themselves Christians. I had no idea protestants were such hateful people!!
Their behavior here is causing me to feel some prejudice toward all protestants now, and that's not good. I wonder if these people are proud of their witness at turning people off?
i am not the least surprised because you are offended. you, clay and anthony have been given BIBLE VERSES to read and ponder on.

[And blessed is he, whosoever shall not be offended in me.]

it is a shame that catholics are offended by the Word of God.

but sad to say, when I defend the Word of God(NOT MY CHURCH), you catholics turn on me like vultures.

and I am not interested in what Robert says.matthew 13:21 fits robert to a tee.
hojo

Saint Paul, MN

#419034 Jan 30, 2013
Robert F wrote:
<quoted text>
ReginaM
Peace
Well. I have to agree. I have been "half" reading some of the ridiculous posts on here.
I just wonder what good comes out of going over and over the same things with the same people....
No surprise here Robert!.....Protestants are "ingrainly stuck" on the same anti-catholic judgmental questions-(-that have been refuted, proven erroneous, and scripturally validated (or disproved (depending on the their ridiculous assertions) over and over again!!!! i.e Infant Baptism, the eucharist, Jesus' visible Church, confession, Church tradition, Bible Only, True Sacred Church History, biblical interpretation, Apostolic Succession, Matthew 16, Primacy of Peter (Petros vs lithos), Mary, the Rosary, Salvation (faith & works) Early Church Fathers, Sin, Abuse, and on and on and on......When one subject after another is refuted by the TRUTH of the bible, the TRUE teachings of the Church or by TRUE Church History (they start all over again, with the same old "merry-go-round" (distorted trash comments) attacking the historical and biblical TRUTH of Jesus Christs One True Catholic, with the same "heretical" Protestant propaganda. Like I have told you before (as an ex-protestant---discussion, arguments, deliberation, or debate, is a "total waste of time". There is "not one" bible only protestant, that is on this forum to learn ANYTHING regarding the TRUTH of what the Catholic Church actually believes and teaches from the Bible, Church tradition, the True Words of Jesus (himself) or the TRUE teachings of the Church.
There only purpose here is to ATTACK the TRUTH of the bible, Jesus Christ and His One True Catholic Church.----I just speak the Truth--let is go at that and pray for their hostile, vengeful, bitter anti-catholic hearts, minds and souls........ Continue to remain strong and committed in the Biblical and historical TRUTH of your Catholic-Christian Faith Robert F.--Gods Blessing!

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