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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 599892 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Clay

United States

#419032 Jan 30, 2013
jethro8 wrote:
to clay;you asked me why muslims were burning down catholic churches,and i told you it was because of an idiot of a pope the church has who shouldn't even be pope you didn't believe me here is part of what he said, stated " Benedict said, I quote,'Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached.' " JETHRO,now tell me i'm wrong about benny being pope only for the fact it gives him diplomatic immunity.
I don't remember asking you why Muslims were burning down Catholic Churches.
And I never heard your quote of Pope Benedict before. Where did you get that?

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#419033 Jan 30, 2013
ReginaM wrote:
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And now I agree with you, Robert. This is pretty much my thinking on the matter also. Pride, envy, a need to justify and rationalize what they believe based solely on the destruction of what they know to be the truth but are too proud to admit (there's that pride again), and of course the abject ignorance. If I'm not mistaken, this is the recipe for bigotry.
I know I've been grossly unkind lately, and that's something I have to work on, but more than anything I detest their lies. It's too unconscionable. We are called to defend the faith and the Church because they are of God, but you're correct in that nothing will change especially after all this time. It does keep one on their toes though, lol! And it's certainly been an eye-opener at the audacity of some people to call themselves Christians. I had no idea protestants were such hateful people!!
Their behavior here is causing me to feel some prejudice toward all protestants now, and that's not good. I wonder if these people are proud of their witness at turning people off?
i am not the least surprised because you are offended. you, clay and anthony have been given BIBLE VERSES to read and ponder on.

[And blessed is he, whosoever shall not be offended in me.]

it is a shame that catholics are offended by the Word of God.

but sad to say, when I defend the Word of God(NOT MY CHURCH), you catholics turn on me like vultures.

and I am not interested in what Robert says.matthew 13:21 fits robert to a tee.
hojo

Saint Paul, MN

#419034 Jan 30, 2013
Robert F wrote:
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ReginaM
Peace
Well. I have to agree. I have been "half" reading some of the ridiculous posts on here.
I just wonder what good comes out of going over and over the same things with the same people....
No surprise here Robert!.....Protestants are "ingrainly stuck" on the same anti-catholic judgmental questions-(-that have been refuted, proven erroneous, and scripturally validated (or disproved (depending on the their ridiculous assertions) over and over again!!!! i.e Infant Baptism, the eucharist, Jesus' visible Church, confession, Church tradition, Bible Only, True Sacred Church History, biblical interpretation, Apostolic Succession, Matthew 16, Primacy of Peter (Petros vs lithos), Mary, the Rosary, Salvation (faith & works) Early Church Fathers, Sin, Abuse, and on and on and on......When one subject after another is refuted by the TRUTH of the bible, the TRUE teachings of the Church or by TRUE Church History (they start all over again, with the same old "merry-go-round" (distorted trash comments) attacking the historical and biblical TRUTH of Jesus Christs One True Catholic, with the same "heretical" Protestant propaganda. Like I have told you before (as an ex-protestant---discussion, arguments, deliberation, or debate, is a "total waste of time". There is "not one" bible only protestant, that is on this forum to learn ANYTHING regarding the TRUTH of what the Catholic Church actually believes and teaches from the Bible, Church tradition, the True Words of Jesus (himself) or the TRUE teachings of the Church.
There only purpose here is to ATTACK the TRUTH of the bible, Jesus Christ and His One True Catholic Church.----I just speak the Truth--let is go at that and pray for their hostile, vengeful, bitter anti-catholic hearts, minds and souls........ Continue to remain strong and committed in the Biblical and historical TRUTH of your Catholic-Christian Faith Robert F.--Gods Blessing!
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#419035 Jan 30, 2013
Chuck wrote:
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"The Council of Trent summarizes the Catholic faith by declaring:‘Because Christ our Redeemer said that it was truly his body that he was offering under the species of bread, it has always been the conviction of the Church of God, and this holy Council now declares again, that by the consecration of the bread and wine there takes place a change of the whole substance of the bread into the substance of the body of Christ our Lord and of the whole substance of the wine into the substance of his blood. This change the holy Catholic Church has fittingly and properly called transubstantiation.’"
**what part was I wrong on???
"Transubstantiation is when the priest is given power by the Holy Spirit to change the bread and wine into the body and blood of Christ."

1. The priest isn't given the "power" to change the bread and wine. He's not "doing" it.

2. Transubstantiation describes what takes place with the elements, the conversion of them into His body and blood. It is not describing the "power", the priest, the Holy Spirit, the Sacrifice, etc.

3. Transubstantiation is essentially the description of that moment, the before and after, when the change occurs. Nothing more.

4. Transubstantiation is a part of the doctrine of the Eucharist, it is not the doctrine itself.
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#419036 Jan 30, 2013
LTM wrote:
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EPH. 1 :4-8 Gee your getting a Bible lesson this morning on what the bible says .
lol.

You were not in Ephesus when St. Paul wote these words. You are not part of the Church today which is the same Church he wrote to. You don't get to claim them because you read the bible, call yourself a saint, or even a Christian. Sorry.
ReginaM

Jackson, NJ

#419037 Jan 30, 2013
Catholic Girl wrote:
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Don't recollect ever hearing/reading this about Jesus while he was on earth. I thought with Mary Magdelyne by His side that she was His main squeeze. He came to earth for the experience and of course to save us, why not relations with a woman.
Please remove the "Catholic" from your name. You are anything but.
Chuck

Dublin, OH

#419038 Jan 30, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
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"Transubstantiation is when the priest is given power by the Holy Spirit to change the bread and wine into the body and blood of Christ."
1. The priest isn't given the "power" to change the bread and wine. He's not "doing" it.
2. Transubstantiation describes what takes place with the elements, the conversion of them into His body and blood. It is not describing the "power", the priest, the Holy Spirit, the Sacrifice, etc.
3. Transubstantiation is essentially the description of that moment, the before and after, when the change occurs. Nothing more.
4. Transubstantiation is a part of the doctrine of the Eucharist, it is not the doctrine itself.
Boy you're right...I was WAYYYYY off. lol

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#419039 Jan 30, 2013
938 890
LTM wrote:
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In the Name of Jesus of course LOL
Of course!!!!!!!
hojo

Saint Paul, MN

#419040 Jan 30, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
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it is a shame that catholics are offended by the Word of God.
No---we are offended by your continuous "distortion, manipulating of the TRUE interpretation of the TRUTH in the Bible, along with the heretical (trash comments) that you Protestants are "so famous for" against Jesus Christ and His (Historically and Biblically PROVEN One True Apostolic Catholic Church. But then, this comes as "no surprise" to ANY of us Catholics, since bible only Protestants are "totally and completely dependent on hostile attacks against Our True Faith and the Catholic Church. You have "proven" over and over again that your bible only beliefs "cannot" stand on its own doctrine of beliefs WITHOUT vengefully condemning and judging the True interpretation of the TRUTH in the Bible which is biblically and historically manifested (only) in Jesus Christ One True Catholic Church!! Until you come to the TRUTH of Jesus Christ and the TRUE Salvation He gives us, you will "continue" as the prodigal son did in Luke 15:11------living on the "outside of the True" always looking in---that is--until--he eventually "came to his senses"!!!!
hojo

Saint Paul, MN

#419041 Jan 30, 2013
Fun Facts wrote:
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A very nice presentation of the Church as an institution...
if I may I would like to add this...
http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p123a9p3.htm
Yes--excellent addition! It continues to spell out the TRUTH that we as Catholics all know, believe, follow and adhere to------ AND that bible only Protestants "willfully, defiantly, rebelliously and ignorantly (reject)"!!!!
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#419042 Jan 30, 2013
LTM wrote:
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Read Romans 8, Romans 10, and Eph 1: 4-8 Anthony,
You need to read them for yourself , hey what you got to lose.
Nothing ventured nothing gained, you do have a priest on this post or will you be breaking a cardinal law; if you read the bible and understand it for yourself.
Read 'em, many times. The bible doesn't belong to you, it belongs to the Church. You may possess a copy and think it applies to you, but it doesn't. It was written, copied, translated and preversed FOR the Church and those IN the Church. Sorry to be so blunt with the truth, but you're one of the reasons protestants are so unlearned and unstable and twist the scriptures to your own destruction.
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#419043 Jan 30, 2013
Chuck wrote:
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Christians/Saints..at least you get it Regina. Fact is saints are not dead there are alive and well. Thanks for jumping on board.
You can call yourselves Christian if you want, but the earliest Christians would not have.

Yes, the saints are alive and well, that's why we ask for their prayers and intercessions.
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#419044 Jan 30, 2013
Chuck wrote:
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Boy you're right...I was WAYYYYY off. lol
No, you were just wrong.
Fun Facts

Freeland, MI

#419045 Jan 30, 2013
hojo wrote:
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Yes--excellent addition! It continues to spell out the TRUTH that we as Catholics all know, believe, follow and adhere to------ AND that bible only Protestants "willfully, defiantly, rebelliously and ignorantly (reject)"!!!!
You may have missed this...

"Toward unity

820 "Christ bestowed unity on his Church from the beginning. This unity, we believe, subsists in the Catholic Church as something she can never lose, and we hope that it will continue to increase until the end of time."277 Christ always gives his Church the gift of unity, but the Church must always pray and work to maintain, reinforce, and perfect the unity that Christ wills for her. This is why Jesus himself prayed at the hour of his Passion, and does not cease praying to his Father, for the unity of his disciples: "That they may all be one. As you, Father, are in me and I am in you, may they also be one in us,... so that the world may know that you have sent me."278 The desire to recover the unity of all Christians is a gift of Christ and a call of the Holy Spirit.279

821 Certain things are required in order to respond adequately to this call:

- a permanent renewal of the Church in greater fidelity to her vocation; such renewal is the driving-force of the movement toward unity;280

- conversion of heart as the faithful "try to live holier lives according to the Gospel";281 for it is the unfaithfulness of the members to Christ's gift which causes divisions;

- prayer in common, because "change of heart and holiness of life, along with public and private prayer for the unity of Christians, should be regarded as the soul of the whole ecumenical movement, and merits the name 'spiritual ecumenism;"'282

- fraternal knowledge of each other;283

- ecumenical formation of the faithful and especially of priests;284

- dialogue among theologians and meetings among Christians of the different churches and communities;285

- collaboration among Christians in various areas of service to mankind.286 "Human service" is the idiomatic phrase.

822 Concern for achieving unity "involves the whole Church, faithful and clergy alike."287 But we must realize "that this holy objective - the reconciliation of all Christians in the unity of the one and only Church of Christ - transcends human powers and gifts." That is why we place all our hope "in the prayer of Christ for the Church, in the love of the Father for us, and in the power of the Holy Spirit."288 "
http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p123a9p3.htm

Make Charity not Division...
or
"make love not war"
Chuck

Dublin, OH

#419046 Jan 30, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
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You can call yourselves Christian if you want, but the earliest Christians would not have.
Yes, the saints are alive and well, that's why we ask for their prayers and intercessions.
I really don't care what I'm called or not called unless it's by God. He says that I am a Christian because of repentance and faith in Jesus Christ.

Alive and well meaning Paul refers to all Christians even today. But please don't pray to me Tony...pray to God alone.
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#419047 Jan 30, 2013
Chuck wrote:
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I really don't care what I'm called or not called unless it's by God. He says that I am a Christian because of repentance and faith in Jesus Christ.
Alive and well meaning Paul refers to all Christians even today. But please don't pray to me Tony...pray to God alone.
He doesn't say anything about you in the bible. The Christians the bible refers to were part of the Church 2000 years ago, and that Church exists today called the Catholic Church. Again, St. Paul held different beliefs than you. All you can do is speculate that he would have considered you a Christian. And we know what he said about folks who didn't believe as he and the Church did.

I will pray FOR you to Jesus and ask the saints to pray to Him on your behalf for your conversion. I hope you don't mind.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#419048 Jan 30, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
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I agree. Jesus is the one who decides who is a saint.
Your response is just as bad as the Protestants.

jesus can't make any decisions - please remember, Jesus is dead and has no voice in your religion.

Why do you have to make such untrue, unfounded statements?

Oh yeah, that is right, you refuse to use honesty.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#419049 Jan 30, 2013
LTM wrote:
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ROMANS 10: YOU SHOULD READ IT ANTHONY, ITS CLEAR WHAT IT SAYS.
I AM INTERPRETING NOTHING. ITS FROM THE HOLY SCRIPTURE IT IS MEANT FOR US TO READ GOD WANTS YOU TO READ IT.
if anything, "Paul" or "God" isn't demanding anyone to read it, but you sure are.

Prove to the forum that "God" said for us to read the Bible.

You do have a specific statement from "God" to Moses, right?

Or are you going to make things up, like your co-patriots, and go into some wild-eyed tangent? Please don't.

Just post the citation to where "God" is saying to all of mankind to read the Bible.

I'll wait.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#419051 Jan 30, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
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Only saints are in heaven.
Making things up again Anthony?

But of course, you don't have any proof, but will announce it from the mountaintops it is true anyhow.

Self.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#419052 Jan 30, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
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I agree. Jesus is the one who decides who is a saint.
Sounds like all saints, or so-called, that became such after Jesus died, aren't really saints after all then, huh?

....but only in the eyes of men they are.

DOH!!

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