Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ. Full Story
Clay

United States

#418958 Jan 30, 2013
Chuck wrote:
<quoted text>
You see Tony....when Jesus talked about His body and blood, the people thought the samething the catholics believe. Is this guy really talking about eating His flesh and blood???
And then a person with common sense would read this and know what Jesus is referring to:
63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life.
However you will still deny this because you are catholic.
I would deny it because it was never taught. If Christ wanted this verse to undo His other passages about eating His flesh, then that's what the Apostles would have taught. The reality is: it wasn't until the Bible was printed, that Luther undid this dogma and taught how you see it today.

"Whoever eats the bread and drinks the wine in an unworthy manner, will be guilty of profaining the Body and Blood of Our Lord"
Apostle Paul, 1 cor 11:27

How can you profaine the actual body and blood of Jesus Christ if its just a symbol?
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#418959 Jan 30, 2013
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
Romans 8:5-6
5 Those who live according to the flesh have their minds set on what the flesh desires; but ~~~~~those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires.~~~~~
6 The mind governed by the flesh is death, but [the mind governed by the Spirit is life and peace.]
Anthony....people who pursue spiritual things, pursue the things of the Spirit.
Hank, you are convinced of your beliefs, others are of theirs. You all claim to be guided by the Holy Spirit, yet the beliefs are contradictory. I agree it's good for us to search for truth, but is it just the searching that will save us or is it in the discovery of it? It's vital that we know what the truth is, our salvation depends on it. We must look beyond our own personal good feeling experiences and rely also on the testimony of the generations of Christians who came before us. They were the closest to the Truth, they heard Him and they heard the apostles.
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#418960 Jan 30, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>you left out three little letters.
They [mis] understood He was talking about eating His flesh.
now that is the corrected version of what transpired.
No Christian, including St. Paul, accepted your version until 15 centuries later.

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#418961 Jan 30, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
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I will overlook your ignorance about my Church because I know you live in a relatively backwards part of the country which has a preponderance of loud-mouthed fire breathing preachers who claim to be the reincarnation of St. Paul and probably scare the hell out of simple minded country folk, so they submit to them in droves.
But I'm not so sure Jesus will.
LOL, you dont know much about Christian Pastors.

Pastors Preach about love of God and giving your life to Him. I learned along time ago that i cant drag people to the altar. satan is much stonger than I am and can drag them back.

It takes the Sweet Holy Spirit to bring someone to God, so I never preach hell fire and dammnation.

SORRY TO DISAPPOINT YOU.But you can mock me all you wish, I dont care.

and since you want to make it personal, look at what is on your side, poor old ROB has to be very careful about sipping some wine in case he falls of the wagon. A Chrsitian that is Saved, would never have to worry about that. when God Saved him/her, they then have the Power to resist the devil, poor old ROB doesnt.

so eyah, like Paul, I too, in my time have saw the lord Jesus, and eeven on my side, I am rediculed by people like the sda, but that doesnt change the Fact that I did see Him, and I am alive to testify of it.

and if you or anyone else that doubts it, makes it to heaven, then ask Jesus where he was at in Jan 1965, 48 years ago tomorrow.lol
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#418962 Jan 30, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
There are plenty of protestant bible scholars out there who know more about the where the bible came from and what's in it than you will ever know. And most disagree with your take on it. The problem is, every protestant who picks up a bible says they're an authority because they say the Holy Spirit is guiding them. Who are you, or any other protestant for that matter, to tell them they're wrong?
Disagree, Anthony!
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#418963 Jan 30, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>we have no problem with that understanding in fact, we agree, your church and your popes havent a clue as to who Paul was calling saints.
now, what your problem is this, you dont know either.
like the Jewish people, catholics have had a veil placed over their eyes so they cant see what is Truth.
The Christians in Ephesus, having been taught by St. Paul, having the Blessed Virgin and St. John among them, were saints.

You and your protestant brethren, 2000 years removed and preaching a contradictory gospel can call yourselves saints all you want. That doesn't make it so.
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#418964 Jan 30, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>I disagree, those so called scholars ONLY give their opinion as to what and where the bible came from.
and then, we come to the end result, do they know God and Jesus? that is the most important thing. not where the Bible came from or anything like that.what was that verse that I quoted the other day about Jesus not calling those who are wise.lol
and I will be honest, I doubt if very many can tell you anymore about being Saved than i can
Oh that's right, I forgot, you're the reincarnation of St. Paul.
Chuck

Dublin, OH

#418965 Jan 30, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
I would deny it because it was never taught. If Christ wanted this verse to undo His other passages about eating His flesh, then that's what the Apostles would have taught. The reality is: it wasn't until the Bible was printed, that Luther undid this dogma and taught how you see it today.
"Whoever eats the bread and drinks the wine in an unworthy manner, will be guilty of profaining the Body and Blood of Our Lord"
Apostle Paul, 1 cor 11:27
How can you profaine the actual body and blood of Jesus Christ if its just a symbol?
Because Christ explains here...do you see this Clay...read it

63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life.

**His body and blood will be shed for our sins. Believe in Him and we will have eternal life.
Clay

United States

#418966 Jan 30, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>you left out three little letters.
They [mis] understood He was talking about eating His flesh.
now that is the corrected version of what transpired.
Hey Preston, how is it possible to profane the Body and blood of Jesus Christ, if its just a symbol?
1cor 11:27
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#418967 Jan 30, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>LOL, you dont know much about Christian Pastors.
Pastors Preach about love of God and giving your life to Him. I learned along time ago that i cant drag people to the altar. satan is much stonger than I am and can drag them back.
It takes the Sweet Holy Spirit to bring someone to God, so I never preach hell fire and dammnation.
SORRY TO DISAPPOINT YOU.But you can mock me all you wish, I dont care.
and since you want to make it personal, look at what is on your side, poor old ROB has to be very careful about sipping some wine in case he falls of the wagon. A Chrsitian that is Saved, would never have to worry about that. when God Saved him/her, they then have the Power to resist the devil, poor old ROB doesnt.
so eyah, like Paul, I too, in my time have saw the lord Jesus, and eeven on my side, I am rediculed by people like the sda, but that doesnt change the Fact that I did see Him, and I am alive to testify of it.
and if you or anyone else that doubts it, makes it to heaven, then ask Jesus where he was at in Jan 1965, 48 years ago tomorrow.lol
Save it for your Ohio country folk Preston, you don't impress me at all.
Chuck

Dublin, OH

#418968 Jan 30, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
The Christians in Ephesus, having been taught by St. Paul, having the Blessed Virgin and St. John among them, were saints.
According to Clay saints are only in Heaven. Who's right...you or Clay?
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#418969 Jan 30, 2013
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
Disagree, Anthony!
Yes, I know. Disagreeing is part of the protestant creed.

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#418970 Jan 30, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
I would deny it because it was never taught. If Christ wanted this verse to undo His other passages about eating His flesh, then that's what the Apostles would have taught. The reality is: it wasn't until the Bible was printed, that Luther undid this dogma and taught how you see it today.
"Whoever eats the bread and drinks the wine in an unworthy manner, will be guilty of profaining the Body and Blood of Our Lord"
Apostle Paul, 1 cor 11:27
How can you profaine the actual body and blood of Jesus Christ if its just a symbol?
why are you and the other catholics changing the Word and subtituting the word[ bread] for flesh and the [wine] for blood?

YOU JUST POSTED WHAT JESUS SAID, SO WHY TRY AND CHANGE HIS WORDS AND THEIR MEANING?

Whoever eats the bread and drinks the wine .

SEE THAT AGAIN. IT IS BREAD, NOT FLESH, WINE, NOT BLOOD.
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#418971 Jan 30, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
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Let's just say I have more confidence in St. Paul's ability to discern who a saint is than you or your protestant pastor.
Then who is in your own opinion is the authority to make saints Anthony, would you believe Jesus Christ is the only one , that is my opinion.
We don't have to die to became a saint in reality we have to be alive to became followers of Jesus .

Romans 8
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.

13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

you do understand that scripture don't you Anthony its very clear.
to be God's saints we have to [recieve the spirit of adoption] to became the children of God (SAINTS OF GOD).
ROMANS 10: YOU SHOULD READ IT ANTHONY, ITS CLEAR WHAT IT SAYS.
I AM INTERPRETING NOTHING. ITS FROM THE HOLY SCRIPTURE IT IS MEANT FOR US TO READ GOD WANTS YOU TO READ IT.
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#418972 Jan 30, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
I would deny it because it was never taught. If Christ wanted this verse to undo His other passages about eating His flesh, then that's what the Apostles would have taught. The reality is: it wasn't until the Bible was printed, that Luther undid this dogma and taught how you see it today.
"Whoever eats the bread and drinks the wine in an unworthy manner, will be guilty of profaining the Body and Blood of Our Lord"
Apostle Paul, 1 cor 11:27
How can you profaine the actual body and blood of Jesus Christ if its just a symbol?
Where is the body???

He hadn't died on the cross yet???

We (Christians) are to proclaim the Lord's death till He comes.

Gospel = the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ....

We cannot have communion with Christ until we are in union with Christ.
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#418973 Jan 30, 2013
Chuck wrote:
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? Tony
Are Christians all over the world equipped to share the Gospel of Jesus Christ?
Not everyone who calls themselves a Christian is really a Christian. A Christian who shares the gospel may do it by feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, etc. Very few are equipped to correctly interpret the scriptures and preach infallibly, and none can do it all by themselves.

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#418974 Jan 30, 2013
it looks by this article that someone on this forum has been lying to us by saying that the Apostles taught transubstantiation. of course, Chrsitians already knew that.

HistoryThe earliest known use of the term "transubstantiation" to describe the change from bread and wine to body and blood of Christ that was believed to occur in the Eucharist was by Hildebert de Lavardin, Archbishop of Tours (died 1133), in the 11th century and by the end of the 12th century the term was in widespread use
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transubstantiati...

now that is almost 1100 years later than the Words of Christ.

Friends if I got to continue to pronounce one lie after another, I would go back to being a lost sinner
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#418975 Jan 30, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
Hank, you are convinced of your beliefs, others are of theirs. You all claim to be guided by the Holy Spirit, yet the beliefs are contradictory. I agree it's good for us to search for truth, but is it just the searching that will save us or is it in the discovery of it? It's vital that we know what the truth is, our salvation depends on it. We must look beyond our own personal good feeling experiences and rely also on the testimony of the generations of Christians who came before us. They were the closest to the Truth, they heard Him and they heard the apostles.
Oh, there is more to it then searching, Anthony.....lots more....

I don't go by the good feeling experiences, Anthony....

I go by the TRUTH found in the Word of God....

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#418976 Jan 30, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
Save it for your Ohio country folk Preston, you don't impress me at all.
It is very seldom that the Truth impresses people that are gullible enough to believe the lies taught by catholicism, so I am not the least bit surprised.
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#418977 Jan 30, 2013
Chuck wrote:
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According to Clay saints are only in Heaven. Who's right...you or Clay?
Only saints are in heaven.

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