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truth

Perth, Australia

#418906 Jan 30, 2013
remember my son
remember words of you father

Who you call Father as child..pa pa pa pa papa?
Did you see or ever hear that word from tiny child when start walking and talking.

Why is like that?
paprati moja
p a pratri p a p rat tri

paprat as dinosaures is first and some two kingdoom of pape father Creator..

follow word in bigining is word

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#418907 Jan 30, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>I thought that you were more intelligent than that or else you think that I am that dumb.
the letter to the Church at Roma was much later than the First Church at jerusalem was formed and even wiki proves that you are wrong.
sorry Reg, but it is impossible to prove that a lie is the truth.
The most probable ancient account of the beginning of Christianity in Rome is given by a 4th century writer known as Ambrosiaster:[14]
It is established that there were Jews living in Rome in the times of the Apostles, and that those Jews who had believed [in Christ] passed on to the Romans the tradition that they ought to profess Christ but keep the law [Torah]… One ought not to condemn the Romans, but to praise their faith, because without seeing any signs or miracles and without seeing any of the apostles, they nevertheless accepted faith in Christ, although according to a Jewish rite.[15]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epistle_to_the_R...
AND SOMETIMES WE CRISTIANS HAVE TO SHOW YOU A LINK SINCE YOU DONT WISH TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE TRUTH
also reg, read Acts, the second chapter and there you will find out that there were visitors from Rome[ Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya near Cyrene, and visitors from Rome]in Jerusalem on the day of Pentecost, and this no doubt was the beginning of the church at Roma, but Acts doesnt record that this was the Roman catholic Church.in fact, the 16th chapter of Romans is a good example of Paul speaking about the Jews who were converted to christianity.

Greet Andronicus and Junia, my compatriots and my fellow prisoners. They are well known to the apostles, and they were in Christ before me[notice this, saved before paul was]. 11 Greet Herodion, my compatriot. Greet those in the household of Narcissus who are in the Lord.

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#418908 Jan 30, 2013
7th Day Catholic Rocks wrote:
1 Corinthians 10:16–17
16 xThe cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the 5communion of
the blood of Christ? yThe bread which we break, is it not the
communion of the body of Christ? 17 For zwe, though many, are one
bread and one body; for we all partake of that one bread.
Institution of the Lord’s Supper
23 For tI received from the Lord that which I also delivered to you:
uthat the Lord Jesus on the same night in which He was betrayed took
bread; 24 and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, 4“Take,
eat; this is My body which is 5broken for you; do this in remembrance
of Me.” 25 In the same manner He also took the cup after supper,
saying,“This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often
as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.”
26 For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim
the Lord’s death vtill He comes.
What is the “body” of Jesus Christ made of? Where did the body of
Jesus Christ come from? These are two key questions to discovering
the true meaning of what Jesus was teaching when He taught us to eat
His flesh. I will start this lesson with a description of the flesh
of Jesus from the book of John:
Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,(and we
beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,)
full of grace and truth.
God sent His Word to a woman to become Flesh and this is why Jesus was
speaking to the disciples that you must eat my flesh. The flesh of
Jesus was the “Word of God” made manifest in this world. The Flesh
of Jesus was the Word of God Visible to your natural eyes. This was
what Jesus was trying to teach us using these natural symbols that
exist in the world. Of course at this time when Jesus taught this,
the disciples lacked the keys to the knowledge to understand this
truth and therefore this was a “hard saying” for them to accept. We
still have this problem in the body of Christ even today.
1Jn 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us
an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him
that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and
eternal life.
1Jn 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son
of God hath not life.
1Jn 1:1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which
we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands
have handled, of the Word of life;
Joh 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye
continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
Joh 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you
free.
u forgot your link source.

http://agapegeek.com/2010/09/28/understanding...
truth

Perth, Australia

#418909 Jan 30, 2013
please tell me
why i am wrong
i am not wrong
i am truth

you not tell me how many times lucy change Eden
where is first Eden
point finger on mAp
for some reason i am not going tell you
but you are wrong

i told you lucy is smart
now
first and real
where

paprati=first kingdoom odf god creation which still exist
dionodaur still exist
now
holy spirit

many spirit left sience creation on this earth

paprat=crown of life..
cro w n
because of that word is alive
pa p rat.ohhh creation as well recreation..you are not thinker

real eden and first eden
where they are today..
hojo

Saint Paul, MN

#418910 Jan 30, 2013
JUST-A-CHRISTIAN wrote:
<quoted text>
same old, same old, same old copy\paste crap.....
Yes!! The same old, same old -----TRUTH----- of 2000 years of TRUE Church History and TRUE Interpretation of the Bible, that "debunks, refutes and exposes" ALL of the "bible only" Protestant heresy, distortions, lies and anti-catholic "trash talking" exaggerations that you are "so famous in spreading"!! You continue to "fool NO ONE but yourselves"!!
hojo

Saint Paul, MN

#418911 Jan 30, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~
you wrote
"My Salvation, as well ANY and ALL OTHER Catholics Salvation, who are on this forum AND the other 1.168 Billion Catholics throughout the world, are NOT dependent upon your Protestant "bogus and distorted "personal opinionated" judgments and condemning obstinate attitude!!!"
___
GOD SAYS
Isa 5:14 Therefore hell hath enlarged herself,
and opened
her mouth
without measure: and
their glory, and
their multitude, and
their pomp, and
he that rejoiceth, shall descend into it.
Isa 5:15 And the mean man shall be brought down, and
the mighty man shall be humbled, and
the eyes of the lofty shall be humbled:
Isa 5:16 But the LORD of hosts shall be exalted in judgment, and
God that is holy shall be sanctified in righteousness.
Isa 5:17 Then shall the lambs feed after their manner, and the waste places of the fat ones shall strangers eat.
Isa 5:18 Woe unto them that draw iniquity with cords of vanity, and sin as it were with a cart rope:
Isa 5:19 That say, Let him make speed, and hasten his work, that we may see it: and let the counsel of the Holy One of Israel draw nigh and come, that we may know it!
Isa 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and
good evil;
that put darkness for light, and
light for darkness;
that put bitter for sweet, and
sweet for bitter!
Isa 5:21 Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and
prudent in their own sight!
Isa 5:22 Woe unto them that are mighty to drink wine, and
men of strength to mingle strong drink:
Isa 5:23 Which justify the wicked for reward, and
take away the righteousness of the righteous from him!
Isa 5:24 Therefore as the fire devoureth the stubble, and
the flame consumeth the chaff,
so
their root shall be as rottenness, and
their blossom shall go up as dust:
because they have cast away the law of the LORD of hosts, and
despised the word of the Holy One of Israel.
You Confrinting, can continue to "deviously" manipulate and distort the true meaning of bible verses to "neatly fit into" your anti-catholic "cracker box" bible only Christianity, making these verses mean ONLY what "you want them to mean",----however- the fact remains that--the TRUTH of TRUE Church History and the TRUE interpretation of the bible, from the Early Church Fathers in 382, 393 and 397 AD---"WILL NEVER" change the TRUTH of the Gospel, that Jesus established and initiated His One True Apostolic Catholic Church. Again I repeat to you:

My Salvation, as well ANY and ALL OTHER Catholics Salvation, who are on this forum AND the other 1.168 Billion Catholics throughout the world, are NOT DEPENDENT upon your Protestant "bogus and distorted "personal opinionated" judgments and condemning obstinate preaching!!!....... I'll (continue) to put my faith, trust and hope in Jesus Christ, at Daily Mass, HIS OWN STATED AND EXPRESSED WORDS (in the Gospel) and in His "true body and true blood" (daily) in the Eucharist, along with the TRUTH of the TRUE teachings that Our Lord left for us. over 2000 years ago, manifested in and through His One True Catholic. Church....... God is NOT, NOR EVER will be, the author of your bible only "(judgmental and condemning) half-truth, half-heresy ministry.
God does NOT call "divisive" Christian ministers to do "Satans (judgmental) dirty work"!!
Clay

United States

#418912 Jan 30, 2013
chuck wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you ever find out who the saints that were being equipped for the ministry were in Ephesians 4:12 or were you hoping it would go away?
No I never found out. Its seems really important to you. I'm guessing you think you've got a 'gotcha moment'; you trapped me?
I promise, I'll try and get the Church teaching on this. Maybe Father Dye or another Catholic can help out.

My take is: The word Saint is broad. Your particular Christian sect may have a different opinion or criteria on what constitutes a saint.
In this letter to the Ephesians, I doubt the author (Paul or his disciples) was declaring them 'saints, as in automatically destined for Heaven. That would be irresponsible to declare someone a Saint before their life is over. A lot can happen in the hrs before someone dies.
You can live a Saintly life. We can look at people, like a Mother Teresa, and say "there is A Saint".
But we don't know if that person will spend their last day on Earth cursing God,... Rejecting Him.
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#418913 Jan 30, 2013
"Through what means has Jesus chosen to make His will known to mankind?"
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#418914 Jan 30, 2013
God's inspired instructions through prophets and apostles are infallible.
RCC Superiority So BUSTED

Melbourne, FL

#418915 Jan 30, 2013
Reality 101...

Great cities in the Americas built by freedom-loving Protestant/deist societies:

New York, Toronto, San Diego

Great cities in the Americas built by freedom-hating, totalitarian Roman Catholic societies:

Mexico City, Tijuana

Roman Catholicism is backward, crime-ridden, and corrupt.
RCC Superiority So BUSTED

Melbourne, FL

#418916 Jan 30, 2013
If Roman Catholicism were so great..........

... why are there so many Roman Catholics trying to escape their "great societies" and almost no Roman Catholics moving to backward RCC societies?

Sure, Catholics here attack the USA as wanting in so many ways -- be they never walk their talk -- do they?

RCC spiritually superior = zero walk plus a lot of hot air.
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#418917 Jan 30, 2013
The Bible provides sufficient guidance for Christians to keep the fundamental unity of the Church (the body of believers.)
Chuck

Dublin, OH

#418918 Jan 30, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
No I never found out. Its seems really important to you. I'm guessing you think you've got a 'gotcha moment'; you trapped me?
I promise, I'll try and get the Church teaching on this. Maybe Father Dye or another Catholic can help out.
My take is: The word Saint is broad. Your particular Christian sect may have a different opinion or criteria on what constitutes a saint.
In this letter to the Ephesians, I doubt the author (Paul or his disciples) was declaring them 'saints, as in automatically destined for Heaven. That would be irresponsible to declare someone a Saint before their life is over. A lot can happen in the hrs before someone dies.
You can live a Saintly life. We can look at people, like a Mother Teresa, and say "there is A Saint".
But we don't know if that person will spend their last day on Earth cursing God,... Rejecting Him.
No...not a gotcha moment.
All I'm saying is the passage is talking about saints/christians here on earth. Christians are eqipped for the ministry.
Ask father dye???? just like all the other questions Clay. You piggy back on other catholics because you don't know. You believe things because that's what you are told to believe.
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#418919 Jan 30, 2013
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
Don't try to put words in my mouth Anthony you catholic's are very good at that.
I was lead to a church where the Holy Spirit was operating in the lives of men and women.
Especially the Pastor, who preaches the word of God under the anointing of the Holy Spirit.
The denomination has nothing to do with it. Anthony.
Hank says the Holy Spirit is operating in the lives of men and women in his church. His pastor also preaches the word of God under the annointing of the Holy Spirit according to him. But his pastor preaches doctrines (developed by his DENOMINATION) which you and your pastor say are wrong.

How can this be possible?
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#418920 Jan 30, 2013
marge wrote:
<quoted text>
Well we really really do trust God alone, does that help?
So you two must be trusting different gods because his is telling him something different than yours.
RCC Superiority So BUSTED

Melbourne, FL

#418921 Jan 30, 2013
Chuck wrote:
<quoted text>
No...not a gotcha moment.
All I'm saying is the passage is talking about saints/christians here on earth. Christians are eqipped for the ministry.
Ask father dye???? just like all the other questions Clay. You piggy back on other catholics because you don't know. You believe things because that's what you are told to believe.
Fr Dye is a troubled man and most here wish him the best. Others use him as a prop.

He knows that it's called faith and nothing more.

Fr Dye is probably on an RCC forum now, where he can discuss faith, not fact. Like me, Fr Dye is troubled by the RCC's promotion of phony mysticism like Fatima and others. Fr Dye does not support the title of this thread, beyond its very technical meaning.

Imagine having to prove something absurd to validate one's faith, like so many Catholics here. It's going against history and reality. Yuck.
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#418922 Jan 30, 2013
LTM wrote:
The Roman Catholic Church believes that the bread and wine of the Holy Eucharist become the actual body and blood of Jesus. They attempt to support their system of thought with passages such as John 6:32-58; Matthew 26:26; Luke 22:17-23; and 1 Corinthians 11:24-25. In A.D. 1551, the Counsel of Trent officially stated, "By the consecration of the bread and wine there takes place a change of the whole substance of the bread into the substance of the body of Christ our Lord and of the whole substance of the wine into the substance of his blood. This change the holy Catholic Church has fittingly and properly called transubstantiation" (Session XIII, chapter IV; cf. canon II). By sharing in the Eucharistic meal, the Church teaches that Catholics are fulfilling John 6:53: "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you."
What does that really mean? Jesus goes on to say that "it is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is of no avail. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life" (John 6:63-64). So, if "the flesh is of no avail," why would we have to eat Jesus' flesh in order to have eternal life? It does not make sense, until Jesus tells us that the words He speaks are "spirit." Jesus is saying that this is not a literal teaching, but a spiritual one. The language ties in perfectly with the aforementioned statement of the apostle Paul: "Present your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God, which is your spiritual worship" (Romans 12:1).
In Jewish thought, bread was equated with the Torah, and "eating of it" was reading and understanding the covenant of God (cf. Deuteronomy 8:3). For example, the apocryphal book of Sirach states, "'He who eats of me will hunger still, he who drinks of me will thirst for more; he who obeys me will not be put to shame, he who serves me will never fail.' All this is true of the book of Most High's covenant, the law which Moses commanded us as an inheritance for the community of Jacob" (Sirach 24:20-22). Quoting from Sirach here is not endorsing it as Scripture; it only serves to illustrate how the Jewish people thought of Mosaic Law. It is important to understand the equating of bread with the Torah to appreciate Jesus' real point.
In John 6, Jesus is actually telling the crowd that He is superior to the Torah (cf. John 6:49-51) and the entire Mosaic system of Law. The passage from Sirach states that those who eat of the Law will "hunger still" and "thirst for more"; this language is mirrored by Jesus when He says, "He who comes to Me will never be hungry, he who believes in Me will never be thirsty" (John 6:35). Jesus is not commanding people to literally eat His flesh and drink His blood, He is telling them the core of all Christian doctrine: belief in Jesus Himself ("The work of God is this: to believe in the One He has sent," John 6:29, emphasis added). Therefore, the Catholic interpretation of John 6 is unbiblical.
Second, there is a very clear analogy in John 6 to the days of Moses and the eating of manna. In the days of Moses, manna was God’s provision for food for the Israelites as they wandered in the wilderness. In John 6, however, Jesus claimed to be the true manna, the bread of heaven. With this statement Jesus claimed to be God’s full provision for salvation. Manna was God’s provision of deliverance from starvation. Jesus is God’s provision of deliverance from damnation. Just as the manna had to be consumed to preserve the lives of the Israelites, so Jesus has to be consumed (fully received by faith) for salvation to be received.
cont
"Counsel of Trent" ???

lol.

I guess you guys really don't take the bible literally.
Clay

United States

#418923 Jan 30, 2013
Chuck wrote:
<quoted text>
No...not a gotcha moment.
All I'm saying is the passage is talking about saints/christians here on earth. Christians are eqipped for the ministry.
Ask father dye???? just like all the other questions Clay. You piggy back on other catholics because you don't know. You believe things because that's what you are told to believe.
Piggy back? Lol. We Christians have to be on the same page. Well...you all may think we don't. You may think its up to each of us to determine the will of Jesus Christ based on our private take on Holy Scriptures. But that would be false.
The Catholic Church does not roll like that. So when i say 'ask Father Dye, I don't mean because he's an authority on Scriptures. But, he may know the teachings you ask. And these teachings will be in communion with Rome, just like it was 2,000 yrs ago.

I don't believe things simply because I'm told to. Rather, its because I have unwavering faith and trust in Jesus Christ. Trust that He will infallibly guide His Church to truth and protect her from error.
You say this original Church 'got it all wrong'. Christ did not protect it from error. He waited until the Bible was printed in 1450 AD?
I gotta ask you Chuck, which one of you are the fortunate ones to be in possession of the truth?
Is it You, Confrint, Ox, Preston, SDA guy, Harold Camping, Benny Hinn, David koresh, and thousands of other people who claimed to an called to preach the Bible?
Chuck

Dublin, OH

#418924 Jan 30, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Piggy back? Lol. We Christians have to be on the same page. Well...you all may think we don't. You may think its up to each of us to determine the will of Jesus Christ based on our private take on Holy Scriptures. But that would be false.
The Catholic Church does not roll like that. So when i say 'ask Father Dye, I don't mean because he's an authority on Scriptures. But, he may know the teachings you ask. And these teachings will be in communion with Rome, just like it was 2,000 yrs ago.
I don't believe things simply because I'm told to. Rather, its because I have unwavering faith and trust in Jesus Christ. Trust that He will infallibly guide His Church to truth and protect her from error.
You say this original Church 'got it all wrong'. Christ did not protect it from error. He waited until the Bible was printed in 1450 AD?
I gotta ask you Chuck, which one of you are the fortunate ones to be in possession of the truth?
Is it You, Confrint, Ox, Preston, SDA guy, Harold Camping, Benny Hinn, David koresh, and thousands of other people who claimed to an called to preach the Bible?
You said saints are only in Heaven. I asked you who the saints are in Eph 4 being eqipped for the ministry and you said you don't know. I said they are the christians here on earth...today. So how do you know that is wrong?

You don't know because you have been taught by man that saints are only in Heaven and there is a pefectly good explaination for Eph 4:12 because of the fact you have been told the opposite...right?
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#418925 Jan 30, 2013
Chuck wrote:
<quoted text>
No...not a gotcha moment.
All I'm saying is the passage is talking about saints/christians here on earth. Christians are eqipped for the ministry.
Ask father dye???? just like all the other questions Clay. You piggy back on other catholics because you don't know. You believe things because that's what you are told to believe.
So it wasn't until you sat down and read John 6 by yourself that you decided the Catholic version was wrong? You never heard that from any protestant? No protestant preacher helped you understand it "correctly"?

Yeah right.

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