Roman Catholic church only true churc...

Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 603092 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Dust Storm

Pennock, MN

#418872 Jan 29, 2013
ReginaM wrote:
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These have got to be the most ridiculous people I've ever encountered. They're lunatics who are actually informing their faith from the INTERNET of all places!!! Two of them are recommending in on this page alone! LOL!!!
They blatantly admit it, with no shame whatsoever....absolutely 100 percent, whacked out, absurd! And we're arguing with that stupidity??!! Ignorance of that kind can never be penetrated...never, ever, never. No wonder most of us just sit back and laugh at them anymore!
I don't believe you have had much experience with Protestants then. If you go to a bible study with them they will be frothing at the mouth at a chance to inform you of the real deal and save you while they argue amongst themselves what scripture says and give you loads of bogus information on what you believe. The reality is there are many ill informed Protestants and there are many Catholics who do not know anything about history and lack knowledge of the faith. The ravenous wolves are out there seeking to devour anyone they can. If one is inclined to believe the many many falsehoods seen in here without reasoned research which none of them ever do or super fair guys like jethro obviously a stand in for the remake of beverly hills but far more clueless. Notice how the Protestants try so hard to save him? So pathetic! How many say they used to be catholic only to find they dont really know anything? ALOT! Apparently they went to church on Christmas and never learned anything else.

2 cor. 11: 13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.

Acts 20:30 Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them.

Galatians 1:7 which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ.

Titus 1:10 For there are many rebellious people, mere talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision group.

2 Peter 2:1 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.

Revelation 2:2 I know your deeds, your hard work and your perseverance. I know that you cannot tolerate wicked men, that you have tested those who claim to be apostles but are not, and have found them false.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#418873 Jan 29, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
"You have no business quoting from the Bible to disprove the Catholic faith when it was the Catholic Church who gave you the Bible. This is the brash arrogance of Protestant Christians, who are ignorant of history and twist the Scriptures to their own destruction. I call it “spoiled brat Christianity.” You despise the very Mother who gave you the Scriptures. The Bible is indeed the Word of God, but you only know that because the Catholic Church told you so. "
"The Catholic Church wrote, translated, copied, and preserved God's written word throughout the ages. That is the only reason you even have a Bible. Quit trying to interpret the Scriptures without the Church, because it is the Bible in the Church, the Church before the Bible, the Bible and the Church (both or neither)."
http://www.scripturecatholic.com/
~~~

THE BIBLE WAS WRITTEN OVER A PERIOD OF 1600 YEARS BY MEN INSPIRED BY THE HOLY GHOST...

The Holy Ghost was the author and the men that penned it down were his secretaries...THE ORTHODOX CHURCH COMPILED IT. put it together.

It really must take some gall for any man to say that his pagan church wrote the Holy Scriptures...and attempt to lay claim to them...

The arrogance is beyond expression.

Thats some more of your Constantine-ism and it is certain constant.

AND CONSISTANT ....ONE LIE AFTER ANOTHER.FROM THOSE THAT/who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

GOD'S WRATH WILL COME FOR YOUR LIES.
____

THE APOSTLE PAUL SAID OF THE WORD OF GOD...

Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Rom 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Anthony MN

Andover, MN

#418874 Jan 29, 2013
Dust Storm wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't believe you have had much experience with Protestants then. If you go to a bible study with them they will be frothing at the mouth at a chance to inform you of the real deal and save you while they argue amongst themselves what scripture says and give you loads of bogus information on what you believe. The reality is there are many ill informed Protestants and there are many Catholics who do not know anything about history and lack knowledge of the faith. The ravenous wolves are out there seeking to devour anyone they can. If one is inclined to believe the many many falsehoods seen in here without reasoned research which none of them ever do or super fair guys like jethro obviously a stand in for the remake of beverly hills but far more clueless. Notice how the Protestants try so hard to save him? So pathetic! How many say they used to be catholic only to find they dont really know anything? ALOT! Apparently they went to church on Christmas and never learned anything else.
2 cor. 11: 13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
Acts 20:30 Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them.
Galatians 1:7 which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ.
Titus 1:10 For there are many rebellious people, mere talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision group.
2 Peter 2:1 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
Revelation 2:2 I know your deeds, your hard work and your perseverance. I know that you cannot tolerate wicked men, that you have tested those who claim to be apostles but are not, and have found them false.
" or super fair guys like jethro obviously a stand in for the remake of beverly hills but far more clueless."

Lol!
7th Day Catholic Rocks

Poplar Bluff, MO

#418875 Jan 29, 2013
alan wrote:
<quoted text>How the H E L L does a Bible character talk to anyboby? Let alone create a universe?


http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Numbers 22:28

Balaam's Donkey

23And the donkey saw the angel of the LORD standing in the way, and his sword drawn in his hand: and the donkey turned aside out of the way, and went into the field: and Balaam struck the donkey, to turn her into the way.

24But the angel of the LORD stood in a path of the vineyards, a wall being on one side, and a wall on the other side.

25And when the donkey saw the angel of the LORD, she thrust herself unto the wall, and crushed Balaam's foot against the wall: and he struck her again.

26And the angel of the LORD went further, and stood in a narrow place, where there was no way to turn either to the right hand or to the left.

27And when the donkey saw the angel of the LORD, she fell down under Balaam: and Balaam's anger was kindled, and he struck the donkey with a staff.

28And the LORD opened the mouth of the donkey, and she said unto Balaam, What have I done unto you, that you have smitten me these three times?

29And Balaam said unto the donkey, Because you have mocked me: I would there were a sword in my hand, for now would I kill you.

30And the donkey said unto Balaam, Am not I your donkey, upon which you have ridden ever since I became yours unto this day? was I ever accustomed to do so unto you? And he said, Nay.

31Then the LORD opened the eyes of Balaam, and he saw the angel of the LORD standing in the way, and his sword drawn in his hand: and he bowed down his head, and fell flat on his face.

32And the angel of the LORD said unto him, Why have you struck your donkey these three times? behold, I went out to withstand you, because your way is perverse before me:

33And the donkey saw me, and turned from me these three times: unless she had turned from me, surely now also I would have slain you, and saved her alive.

34And Balaam said unto the angel of the LORD, I have sinned; for I knew not that you stood in the way against me: now therefore, if it displease you, I will go back again.

35And the angel of the LORD said unto Balaam, Go with the men: but only the word that I shall speak unto you, that you shall speak. So Balaam went with the leaders of Balak.

36And when Balak heard that Balaam was come, he went out to meet him unto a city of Moab, which is on the border of Arnon, which is on the farthest boundary.

37And Balak said unto Balaam, Did I not earnestly send unto you to call you? why came you not unto me? am I not able indeed to promote you to honor?

38And Balaam said unto Balak, Lo, I am come unto you: have I now any power at all to say any thing? the word that God puts in my mouth, that shall I speak.

39And Balaam went with Balak, and they came unto Kiriathhuzoth.

40And Balak offered oxen and sheep, and sent to Balaam, and to the leaders that were with him.

41And it came to pass the next day, that Balak took Balaam, and brought him up into the high places of Baal, that from there he might see the extent of the people.
Anthony MN

Andover, MN

#418876 Jan 29, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~
THE BIBLE WAS WRITTEN OVER A PERIOD OF 1600 YEARS BY MEN INSPIRED BY THE HOLY GHOST...
The Holy Ghost was the author and the men that penned it down were his secretaries...THE ORTHODOX CHURCH COMPILED IT. put it together.
It really must take some gall for any man to say that his pagan church wrote the Holy Scriptures...and attempt to lay claim to them...
The arrogance is beyond expression.
Thats some more of your Constantine-ism and it is certain constant.
AND CONSISTANT ....ONE LIE AFTER ANOTHER.FROM THOSE THAT/who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
GOD'S WRATH WILL COME FOR YOUR LIES.
____
THE APOSTLE PAUL SAID OF THE WORD OF GOD...
Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
Rom 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Once again, the irrefutable fact is you have the Catholic Church to thank for the bible you own (even your abridged version).

And BTW, St. Paul was writing this letter to the Catholic Church in Rome.

" For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;"

This would apply to heretics such as yourself.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#418877 Jan 29, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
"You have no business quoting from the Bible to disprove the Catholic faith when it was the Catholic Church who gave you the Bible. This is the brash arrogance of Protestant Christians, who are ignorant of history and twist the Scriptures to their own destruction. I call it “spoiled brat Christianity.” You despise the very Mother who gave you the Scriptures. The Bible is indeed the Word of God, but you only know that because the Catholic Church told you so. "
"The Catholic Church wrote, translated, copied, and preserved God's written word throughout the ages. That is the only reason you even have a Bible. Quit trying to interpret the Scriptures without the Church, because it is the Bible in the Church, the Church before the Bible, the Bible and the Church (both or neither)."
http://www.scripturecatholic.com/
YOU USE THE INTERNET FOR YOUR REFERENCES...AND QUOTE YOUR (so called church..) History.

YOU MEASURE YOURSELF BY YOURSELF....YOUR SORDID HISTORY..

THAT CONTAINS...TORTURE... MURDER... RAPE... SODOMY...AND A WHOLE LIST OF UNGODLY HORRIFIC SINS...

2Co_10:12 For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise.

I DON'T USE LINKS....I give you SCRIPTURES TO VALIDATE WHAT I WRITE...

I DON'T USE REGURITATED (ALREADY DIGESTED LINKS) I GIVE THE WORD OF GOD
IN MY POST..BOOK CHAPER AND VERSES...

SOMETHING YOU CAN'T DO BECAUSE YOU ARE IGNORANT OF BIBLE
Dust Storm

Pennock, MN

#418878 Jan 29, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
" or super fair guys like jethro obviously a stand in for the remake of beverly hills but far more clueless."
Lol!
Yee Doggie!...That boy has sho done a whole heapa learning. ;)

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#418879 Jan 29, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
One issue that is very damaging to idea of a Pope is the fact that some of the popes were so depraved, even people who professed no religion at all were ashamed of them.
Looking into the history of the papacy, it is easy to see that not all popes were holy men. Accusations against them included but were not limited to blasphemy, simony (the buying and selling of the papal office), perjury, murder, adultery, intercourse with virgins and nuns, incest, sodomy, bestiality, robbery, idolatry, magic, infidelity, and gross and unnatural immorality.
Historians, even Roman Catholic historians will even attest to the fact there have been many sinful popes. Therefore, if popes are supposed to be the "representatives of Christ" here on earth and they are living an immoral lifestyle, should their commands still be obeyed if they are living in sin? No, it would be hypocritical for them to make rulings and decrees, and yet this is exactly what has been done by the popes
So called, "Apostolic Succession" has already been debunked - a Pope dying in about a month could not have rcvd all that was required in all the teachings, in such a short amount of time.
7th Day Catholic Rocks

Poplar Bluff, MO

#418880 Jan 29, 2013
Ciphering is his legacy.
marge

Ames, IA

#418881 Jan 29, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm surprised a Minister would doubt whether or not Jesus Christ could be present in a 'piece of grain'. Especially with all the Biblical evidence supporting it.
Do you believe Christ walked on water? Why?
Did He turn the water into wine at Cana? Why?
Christ held up the Bread and said, "this represents my....wait, He said 'this is a symbol of my body"
Nope. HE said "this IS MY BODY" .
Clay, please, He did not just say that, finish His sentence, don't partake of the lies.

And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying,

"This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me."
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#418882 Jan 29, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
So it's only individuals in your opinion. Hank says the indwelling of the Holy Spirit guides him to the truth preached in his denomination. You say he's wrong. How does a person know which one if you is right? Can your website tell us?
Don't try to put words in my mouth Anthony you catholic's are very good at that.
I was lead to a church where the Holy Spirit was operating in the lives of men and women.
Especially the Pastor, who preaches the word of God under the anointing of the Holy Spirit.
The denomination has nothing to do with it. Anthony.
marge

Ames, IA

#418883 Jan 29, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
So it's only individuals in your opinion. Hank says the indwelling of the Holy Spirit guides him to the truth preached in his denomination. You say he's wrong. How does a person know which one if you is right? Can your website tell us?
Well we really really do trust God alone, does that help?
marge

Ames, IA

#418884 Jan 29, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
Once again, the irrefutable fact is you have the Catholic Church to thank for the bible you own (even your abridged version).
And BTW, St. Paul was writing this letter to the Catholic Church in Rome.
" For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;"
This would apply to heretics such as yourself.
He was writing to the christian church in rome, and us, agree?
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#418885 Jan 29, 2013
ReginaM wrote:
<quoted text>
You disappoint me, Preston. I thought you were more intelligent than the rest of them. Your last statement is particularly ignorant. See the Letter to the Romans.(At least I'm not directing you to a web site, lol!)
Because I do not want to waste any more of my time Regina If you or any of the rest on the catholic's want to know information on scripture check it out yourself.
You won't because the bunch of you are to lazy to do so.
You would rather take a priest or the popes word for it that what he is telling you is true.
Well keep believing the lies Regina, if you won't seek the truth for yourself .
There is nothing intelligent about following someone who has been proven to be a liar, or someone who directs you away from Christ to another human to follow and worship.
Who teaches you to bow to a piece of plaster, and kiss it and pray to it. How intelligent is that.
And if that isn't enough to be dumb enough to believe that a man can call the Lord and Savior down from Heaven and into a wafer.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#418886 Jan 29, 2013
871
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
"You have no business quoting from the Bible to disprove the Catholic faith when it was the Catholic Church who gave you the Bible. This is the brash arrogance of Protestant Christians, who are ignorant of history and twist the Scriptures to their own destruction. I call it “spoiled brat Christianity.” You despise the very Mother who gave you the Scriptures. The Bible is indeed the Word of God, but you only know that because the Catholic Church told you so. "
"The Catholic Church wrote, translated, copied, and preserved God's written word throughout the ages. That is the only reason you even have a Bible. Quit trying to interpret the Scriptures without the Church, because it is the Bible in the Church, the Church before the Bible, the Bible and the Church (both or neither)."
http://www.scripturecatholic.com/
Horse puckett!!!!

English language with the “Morning Star of the Reformation”, John Wycliffe.
John Wycliffe
John Wycliffe

The first hand-written English language Bible manuscripts were produced in the 1380's AD by John Wycliffe, an Oxford professor, scholar, and theologian. Wycliffe,(also spelled “Wycliff” & “Wyclif”), was well-known throughout Europe for his opposition to the teaching of the organized Church, which he believed to be contrary to the Bible.

With the help of his followers, called the Lollards, and his assistant Purvey, and many other faithful scribes, Wycliffe produced dozens of English language manuscript copies of the scriptures. They were translated out of the Latin Vulgate, which was the only source text available to Wycliffe. The Pope was so infuriated by his teachings and his translation of the Bible into English, that 44 years after Wycliffe had died, he ordered the bones to be dug-up, crushed, and scattered in the river!

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#418887 Jan 29, 2013
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
One (and only) Church
Catholic Church
"CATHOLIC denominations"
One True (Universal-Catholic) Church
One True Catholic Church
TRUE Catholic Church
same old, same old, same old copy\paste crap.....
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#418888 Jan 29, 2013
The Roman Catholic Church believes that the bread and wine of the Holy Eucharist become the actual body and blood of Jesus. They attempt to support their system of thought with passages such as John 6:32-58; Matthew 26:26; Luke 22:17-23; and 1 Corinthians 11:24-25. In A.D. 1551, the Counsel of Trent officially stated, "By the consecration of the bread and wine there takes place a change of the whole substance of the bread into the substance of the body of Christ our Lord and of the whole substance of the wine into the substance of his blood. This change the holy Catholic Church has fittingly and properly called transubstantiation" (Session XIII, chapter IV; cf. canon II). By sharing in the Eucharistic meal, the Church teaches that Catholics are fulfilling John 6:53: "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you."
What does that really mean? Jesus goes on to say that "it is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is of no avail. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life" (John 6:63-64). So, if "the flesh is of no avail," why would we have to eat Jesus' flesh in order to have eternal life? It does not make sense, until Jesus tells us that the words He speaks are "spirit." Jesus is saying that this is not a literal teaching, but a spiritual one. The language ties in perfectly with the aforementioned statement of the apostle Paul: "Present your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God, which is your spiritual worship" (Romans 12:1).
In Jewish thought, bread was equated with the Torah, and "eating of it" was reading and understanding the covenant of God (cf. Deuteronomy 8:3). For example, the apocryphal book of Sirach states, "'He who eats of me will hunger still, he who drinks of me will thirst for more; he who obeys me will not be put to shame, he who serves me will never fail.' All this is true of the book of Most High's covenant, the law which Moses commanded us as an inheritance for the community of Jacob" (Sirach 24:20-22). Quoting from Sirach here is not endorsing it as Scripture; it only serves to illustrate how the Jewish people thought of Mosaic Law. It is important to understand the equating of bread with the Torah to appreciate Jesus' real point.
In John 6, Jesus is actually telling the crowd that He is superior to the Torah (cf. John 6:49-51) and the entire Mosaic system of Law. The passage from Sirach states that those who eat of the Law will "hunger still" and "thirst for more"; this language is mirrored by Jesus when He says, "He who comes to Me will never be hungry, he who believes in Me will never be thirsty" (John 6:35). Jesus is not commanding people to literally eat His flesh and drink His blood, He is telling them the core of all Christian doctrine: belief in Jesus Himself ("The work of God is this: to believe in the One He has sent," John 6:29, emphasis added). Therefore, the Catholic interpretation of John 6 is unbiblical.
Second, there is a very clear analogy in John 6 to the days of Moses and the eating of manna. In the days of Moses, manna was God’s provision for food for the Israelites as they wandered in the wilderness. In John 6, however, Jesus claimed to be the true manna, the bread of heaven. With this statement Jesus claimed to be God’s full provision for salvation. Manna was God’s provision of deliverance from starvation. Jesus is God’s provision of deliverance from damnation. Just as the manna had to be consumed to preserve the lives of the Israelites, so Jesus has to be consumed (fully received by faith) for salvation to be received.
cont
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#418889 Jan 29, 2013
cont

It is very clear that Jesus referred to Himself as the Bread of Life and encouraged His followers to eat of His flesh in John 6. But we do not need to conclude that Jesus was teaching what the Catholics have referred to as transubstantiation. The Lord’s Supper / Christian communion / Holy Eucharist had not been instituted yet. Jesus did not institute the Holy Eucharist / Mass / Lord's Supper until John chapter 13. Therefore, to read the Lord’s Supper into John 6 is unwarranted. As suggested above, it is best to understand this passage in light of coming to Jesus, in faith, for salvation. When we receive Him as Savior, placing our full trust in Him, we are “consuming His flesh” and “drinking His blood.” His body was broken (at His death) and His blood was shed to provide for our salvation. 1 Corinthians 11:26,“For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until He comes.”
Whether the Catholic definition of Holy Eucharist is a "re-sacrifice" of Christ or a "re-offering" of Christ's sacrifice, the concept is unbiblical. Christ does not need to be re-sacrificed. Christ's sacrifice does not need to be re-offered. Hebrews 7:27 declares, "Unlike the other high priests, He (Jesus) does not need to offer sacrifices day after day, first for his own sins, and then for the sins of the people. He sacrificed for their sins ONCE for all when He offered Himself." Similarly, 1 Peter 3:18 exclaims, "For Christ died for sins ONCE for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God..." Christ's once-for-all death on the cross was sufficient to atone for all of our sins (1 John 2:2). Therefore, Christ's sacrifice does not need to be re-offered. Instead, Christ's sacrifice is to be received by faith (John 1:12; 3:16). Eating Christ's flesh and drinking His blood are symbols of fully receiving His sacrifice on our behalf, by grace through faith.
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#418890 Jan 29, 2013
"Is prayer to saints / Mary biblical?"
Answer: The issue of Catholics praying to saints is one that is full of confusion. It is the official position of the Roman Catholic Church that Catholics do not pray TO saints or Mary, but rather that Catholics can ask saints or Mary to pray FOR them. The official position of the Roman Catholic Church is that asking saints for their prayers is no different than asking someone here on earth to pray for us. However, the practice of many Catholics diverges from official Roman Catholic teaching. Many Catholics do in fact pray directly to saints and/or Mary, asking them for help – instead of asking the saints and/or Mary to intercede with God for help. Whatever the case, whether a saint or Mary is being prayed to, or asked to pray, neither practice has any biblical basis.
The Bible nowhere instructs believers in Christ to pray to anyone other than God. The Bible nowhere encourages, or even mentions, believers asking individuals in heaven for their prayers. Why, then, do many Catholics pray to Mary and/or the saints, or request their prayers? Catholics view Mary and the saints as "intercessors" before God. They believe that a saint, who is glorified in Heaven, has more "direct access" to God than we do. Therefore, if a saint delivers a prayer to God, it is more effective than us praying to God directly. This concept is blatantly unbiblical. Hebrews 4:16 tells us that we, believers here on earth, can "approach the throne of grace with confidence."
First Timothy 2:5 declares, "For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus." There is no one else that can mediate with God for us. If Jesus is the ONLY mediator, that indicates Mary and the saints cannot be mediators. They cannot mediate our prayer requests to God. Further, the Bible tells us that Jesus Christ Himself is interceding for us before the Father: "Therefore He is able to save completely those who come to God through Him, because He always lives to intercede for them" (Hebrews 7:25). With Jesus Himself interceding for us, why would we need Mary or the saints to intercede for us? Whom would God listen to more closely than His Son? Romans 8:26-27 describes the Holy Spirit interceding for us. With the 2nd and 3rd members of the Trinity already interceding for us before the Father in heaven, what possible need could there be to have Mary or the saints interceding for us?
Catholics argue that praying to Mary and the saints is no different than asking someone here on earth to pray for us. Let us examine that claim.(1) The Apostle Paul asks other Christians to pray for him in Ephesians 6:19. Many Scriptures describe believers praying for one another (2 Corinthians 1:11; Ephesians 1:16; Philippians 1:19; 2 Timothy 1:3). The Bible nowhere mentions anyone asking for someone in heaven to pray for him. The Bible nowhere describes anyone in heaven praying for anyone on earth.(2) The Bible gives absolutely no indication that Mary or the saints can hear our prayers. Mary and the saints are not omniscient. Even glorified in heaven, they are still finite beings with limitations. How could they possibly hear the prayers of millions of people? Whenever the Bible mentions praying to or speaking with the dead, it is in the context of sorcery, witchcraft, necromancy, and divination—activities the Bible strongly condemns (Leviticus 20:27; Deuteronomy 18:10-13). In the one instance when a "saint" is spoken to, Samuel in 1 Samuel 28:7-19, Samuel is not exactly happy to be disturbed. It is clear that praying to Mary or the saints is completely different from asking someone here on earth to pray for us. One has a strong biblical basis; the other has no biblical basis whatsoever.
cont
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#418891 Jan 29, 2013
cont
God does not answer prayers based on who is praying. God answers prayers based on whether they are asked according to His will (1 John 5:14-15). There is absolutely no basis or need to pray to anyone other than God alone. There is no basis for asking those who are in heaven to pray for us. Only God can hear our prayers. Only God can answer our prayers. No one in heaven has any greater access to God's throne than we do through prayer (Hebrews 4:16).

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