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#418890 Jan 29, 2013
"Is prayer to saints / Mary biblical?"
Answer: The issue of Catholics praying to saints is one that is full of confusion. It is the official position of the Roman Catholic Church that Catholics do not pray TO saints or Mary, but rather that Catholics can ask saints or Mary to pray FOR them. The official position of the Roman Catholic Church is that asking saints for their prayers is no different than asking someone here on earth to pray for us. However, the practice of many Catholics diverges from official Roman Catholic teaching. Many Catholics do in fact pray directly to saints and/or Mary, asking them for help – instead of asking the saints and/or Mary to intercede with God for help. Whatever the case, whether a saint or Mary is being prayed to, or asked to pray, neither practice has any biblical basis.
The Bible nowhere instructs believers in Christ to pray to anyone other than God. The Bible nowhere encourages, or even mentions, believers asking individuals in heaven for their prayers. Why, then, do many Catholics pray to Mary and/or the saints, or request their prayers? Catholics view Mary and the saints as "intercessors" before God. They believe that a saint, who is glorified in Heaven, has more "direct access" to God than we do. Therefore, if a saint delivers a prayer to God, it is more effective than us praying to God directly. This concept is blatantly unbiblical. Hebrews 4:16 tells us that we, believers here on earth, can "approach the throne of grace with confidence."
First Timothy 2:5 declares, "For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus." There is no one else that can mediate with God for us. If Jesus is the ONLY mediator, that indicates Mary and the saints cannot be mediators. They cannot mediate our prayer requests to God. Further, the Bible tells us that Jesus Christ Himself is interceding for us before the Father: "Therefore He is able to save completely those who come to God through Him, because He always lives to intercede for them" (Hebrews 7:25). With Jesus Himself interceding for us, why would we need Mary or the saints to intercede for us? Whom would God listen to more closely than His Son? Romans 8:26-27 describes the Holy Spirit interceding for us. With the 2nd and 3rd members of the Trinity already interceding for us before the Father in heaven, what possible need could there be to have Mary or the saints interceding for us?
Catholics argue that praying to Mary and the saints is no different than asking someone here on earth to pray for us. Let us examine that claim.(1) The Apostle Paul asks other Christians to pray for him in Ephesians 6:19. Many Scriptures describe believers praying for one another (2 Corinthians 1:11; Ephesians 1:16; Philippians 1:19; 2 Timothy 1:3). The Bible nowhere mentions anyone asking for someone in heaven to pray for him. The Bible nowhere describes anyone in heaven praying for anyone on earth.(2) The Bible gives absolutely no indication that Mary or the saints can hear our prayers. Mary and the saints are not omniscient. Even glorified in heaven, they are still finite beings with limitations. How could they possibly hear the prayers of millions of people? Whenever the Bible mentions praying to or speaking with the dead, it is in the context of sorcery, witchcraft, necromancy, and divination—activities the Bible strongly condemns (Leviticus 20:27; Deuteronomy 18:10-13). In the one instance when a "saint" is spoken to, Samuel in 1 Samuel 28:7-19, Samuel is not exactly happy to be disturbed. It is clear that praying to Mary or the saints is completely different from asking someone here on earth to pray for us. One has a strong biblical basis; the other has no biblical basis whatsoever.
#418891 Jan 29, 2013
God does not answer prayers based on who is praying. God answers prayers based on whether they are asked according to His will (1 John 5:14-15). There is absolutely no basis or need to pray to anyone other than God alone. There is no basis for asking those who are in heaven to pray for us. Only God can hear our prayers. Only God can answer our prayers. No one in heaven has any greater access to God's throne than we do through prayer (Hebrews 4:16).
Since: Jun 10
#418892 Jan 29, 2013
Well hesh mah moff!!!!!
Since: Aug 12
#418893 Jan 29, 2013
OTC, it's the romanist denomination that is built on sand... SHIFTING SAND, and it's moving closer to the edge of the cliff every day. It denies our Lord Jesus by its idiotic worship of idols and prayers to dead people.
It mocks Jesus by its insistence that a mere priest can 'absolve' anyone from sin.
It flagrantly and arrogantly flies in God's face by daring to call its elected leaders 'His Holiness' and 'The Holy Father'.
It dares the Lord by insisting it can alter the Bible HE GAVE US, and vainly imagines it will not pay for using lifeless, useless statues to pray and kneel before, as well as attempting to name people as 'saints' in its cult.
The romanist cult dares to claim it is THE Church founded by Christ... when real Christians know that is a lie.
The Bible in 1 Corinthians 13 tells us:
1Co 13:4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
1Co 13:5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
1Co 13:6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
The romanist cult engages in charity to be seen; to be noticed and praised... it does indeed puff itself up, and boasts of what it thinks are 'accomplishments'. It aggrandizes, it lies, it boasts, it tries to usurp authority not its own.
It steals, it imitates, it infiltrates.
It uses mind control tactics, it threatens, it demands, it murders.
It resorts to torture of people to force them to 'believe' as it does.
It claims to 'love the Lord' while all the while it loves its elected pope, and serves Satan.
It has no real love.
It bases its salvation on its own doctrines, plus works, feigning adoration AND TRUST of Jesus, who freely offers salvation to ALL who honestly believe on His perfect name. Romanism insists it is 'works plus faith', and even then, romanists 'might' go to Heaven, as its priests often say.... but let us not forget the magical stopoff in its imaginary 'purgatory', or forget to buy useless indulgences and pay for special 'masses' to be chanted in order to buy a person out...
In essence, in all reality, and in all TRUTH, romanism is a cult... a godless, domineering, dominating, power-tripping, heinous CULT. And, its end is assured, as the Bible so clearly tells us in Revelation 17-18.
#418895 Jan 29, 2013
Catholicism and Fundamentalism — The Eucharist
After establishing the biblical basis of the early Church’s belief in the real presence Keating goes on to answer all the main objections of fundamentalists to the Holy Eucharist.
Fundamentalist attacks on the Church always come around, as they must, to the Eucharist. Bart Brewer, Donald F. Maconaghie, Jimmy Swaggart — they all zero in on the Eucharist, and in doing so they demonstrate that fundamentalists, contrary to popular belief, are not always literalists. This is shown in their interpretation of the key scriptural passage, the sixth chapter of John's Gospel, in which Christ speaks about the sacrament that will be instituted at the Last Supper.
This is the only record we have of any of Christ's followers forsaking him for doctrinal reasons. If they merely had misunderstood Him, if they foolishly had taken a metaphor in a literal sense, why did He not call them back and straighten things out? Both the Jews, who were suspicious of Him, and His disciples, who had accepted everything up to this point, would have remained had He told them He meant no more than a symbol.
But He did not correct these first protesters, these proto-Protestants. Twelve times He said He was the bread that came down from heaven; four times He said they would have “to eat my flesh and drink my blood”. John 6 was an extended promise of what would be instituted at the Last Supper — and it was a promise that could not be more explicit. Or so it would seem to a Catholic. But what do fundamentalists say?(A lot of blah, blah, blah as usual.)
Is that so? Let us see what the Early Church thought.
Note the word 'education' in the link. Now I know this will scare away most if not all the fundies here, but do try to be brave and read the article, that is if you can understand the big words.
Since: Jun 10
#418896 Jan 29, 2013
"The Bible nowhere instructs believers in Christ to pray to anyone other than God."
In whose name????
#418897 Jan 29, 2013
And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying,
"This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me."
Since: Aug 12
#418898 Jan 29, 2013
And there was some horrible nuns also --- the 'Mary Magdaline Asylum' really mistreated the prisoners
Since: Aug 12
#418899 Jan 29, 2013
There is no sinless Protestant leader, just as there is no sinless priest or elected pope.
'For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God'.
Ever read that somewhere?
Since: Jun 10
#418900 Jan 29, 2013
Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely....
#418901 Jan 29, 2013
Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be filled.
Jesus Is the Bread from Heaven
25And when they had found him on the other side of the sea, they said unto him, Rabbi, when did you come here?
26Jesus answered them and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, You seek me, not because you saw the miracles, but because you did eat of the loaves, and were filled.
27Labor not for the food which perishes, but for that food which endures unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for on him has God the Father set his seal.
28Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
29Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that you believe on him whom he has sent.
30They said therefore unto him, What sign do you show then, that we may see, and believe you? what do you work?
31Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat.
32Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father gives you the true bread from heaven.
33For the bread of God is he who comes down from heaven, and gives life unto the world.
34Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread.
35And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that comes to me shall never hunger; and he that believes on me shall never thirst.
36But I said unto you, That you also have seen me, and believe not.
37All that the Father gives me shall come to me; and he that comes to me I will in no wise cast out.
38For I came down from heaven, not to do my own will, but the will of him that sent me.
39And this is the Father's will who has sent me, that of all that he has given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40And this is the will of him that sent me, that everyone who sees the Son, and believes on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
41The Jews then murmured at him, because he said, I am the bread which came down from heaven.
42And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? how is it then that he said, I came down from heaven?
43Jesus therefore answered and said unto them, Murmur not among yourselves.
44No man can come to me, except the Father who has sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
45It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that has heard, and has learned of the Father, comes unto me.
46Not that any man has seen the Father, except he who is of God, he has seen the Father.
47Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believes on me has everlasting life.
48I am that bread of life.
49Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.
50This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.
51I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live forever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
52The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?
53Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except you eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, you have no life in you.
54Whosoever eats my flesh, and drinks my blood, has eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
55For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
56He that eats my flesh, and drinks my blood, dwells in me, and I in him.
57As the living Father has sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eats me, even he shall live by me.
58This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eats of this bread shall live forever.
59These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum.
#418902 Jan 29, 2013
John 5:24 "I tell you the truth, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned; he has crossed over from death to life.
Hebrews 7:27 Unlike the other high priests, he does not need to offer sacrifices day after day, first for his own sins, and then for the sins of the people. He sacrificed for their sins once for all when he offered himself.
Christ's Sacrifice Is Once for All
5Therefore when he comes into the world, he says, Sacrifice and offering you desired not, but a body have you prepared me:
6In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin you have had no pleasure.
7Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do your will, O God.
8Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin you desired not, neither had pleasure in them; which are offered by the law;
9Then said he, Lo, I come to do your will, O God. He takes away the first, that he may establish the second.
10By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Christ's One Sacrifice Is Forever
11And every priest stands daily ministering and offering frequently the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
12But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down on the right hand of God;
13From then on waiting till his enemies be made his footstool.
14For by one offering he has perfected forever them that are sanctified.
15The Holy Spirit also is a witness to us: for after this he had said before,
16This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
17And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
18Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
#418903 Jan 29, 2013
1 Corinthians 10:16–17
16 xThe cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the 5communion of
the blood of Christ? yThe bread which we break, is it not the
communion of the body of Christ? 17 For zwe, though many, are one
bread and one body; for we all partake of that one bread.
Institution of the Lord’s Supper
23 For tI received from the Lord that which I also delivered to you:
uthat the Lord Jesus on the same night in which He was betrayed took
bread; 24 and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, 4“Take,
eat; this is My body which is 5broken for you; do this in remembrance
of Me.” 25 In the same manner He also took the cup after supper,
saying,“This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often
as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.”
26 For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim
the Lord’s death vtill He comes.
What is the “body” of Jesus Christ made of? Where did the body of
Jesus Christ come from? These are two key questions to discovering
the true meaning of what Jesus was teaching when He taught us to eat
His flesh. I will start this lesson with a description of the flesh
of Jesus from the book of John:
Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,(and we
beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,)
full of grace and truth.
God sent His Word to a woman to become Flesh and this is why Jesus was
speaking to the disciples that you must eat my flesh. The flesh of
Jesus was the “Word of God” made manifest in this world. The Flesh
of Jesus was the Word of God Visible to your natural eyes. This was
what Jesus was trying to teach us using these natural symbols that
exist in the world. Of course at this time when Jesus taught this,
the disciples lacked the keys to the knowledge to understand this
truth and therefore this was a “hard saying” for them to accept. We
still have this problem in the body of Christ even today.
1Jn 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us
an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him
that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and
1Jn 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son
of God hath not life.
1Jn 1:1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which
we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands
have handled, of the Word of life;
Joh 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye
continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
Joh 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you
#418904 Jan 30, 2013
Whats deference, meaning.. rabbi and teacher?
Many teachers exist today as well preachers..why i am wrong?
If you could teach yourself and stay in line then you are perfect..but believe me without inner yourself as well without love you are nothing at all.
We stay every day attack..not from only others..as it is correct..you wage war with yourself..pozude=desire to have anything what ever is wide way in your mind as well build up in your heart where soul rest.
Now battle with yourself you have many modern teachers
as well highly educated but still fall.
They will tell you treatment..no its not treatment as sikness its soul batlle for your soul here on earth in this life start from your bigining sience you born
after into present life maybe it will be bombarding your spiritual way.
We need have special loving friends it is first our mothers and fathers.Because of that we suffering on masive scale batlle within ourself not to keep in order what our soul need or have to be protected.
This Earthly life is materialistic posessesion to have as materialistic money power and greed make us aneble protect fully our soul.
No i am not fully attacker over Muslim tradition..in that case keep private life as well religion must be clean as well well protected modern then we have today on this planet Earth.
Monastic life too..suffering..yes yes yes many people can except suffering..o its good some as it is not good depend how you teach tyourself not to hurt you..desconected every pain from your mind is only way..but that build within your soul..if you can't give forgiveness.This is that point where you constantly need forgive..
How many times sweet Jesus..ones twice 7x or 77x times..in this new out-coming not will be mercy in future if something past..not will be forgiveness..how many times you need be prepare be correct or perfect..
they calculated 99% correction ..99 in everything..Are you for sure fulfillment on human way can or have to be like that?
no..i am not sure that human civilization is ready for 99 pro-cent of correction.
Did you see now why i wrote this?
Because of you Jesus..you Jesus know that as well you protect all of us as it is written..
Since: Jan 08
#418905 Jan 30, 2013
I thought that you were more intelligent than that or else you think that I am that dumb.
the letter to the Church at Roma was much later than the First Church at jerusalem was formed and even wiki proves that you are wrong.
sorry Reg, but it is impossible to prove that a lie is the truth.
The most probable ancient account of the beginning of Christianity in Rome is given by a 4th century writer known as Ambrosiaster:
It is established that there were Jews living in Rome in the times of the Apostles, and that those Jews who had believed [in Christ] passed on to the Romans the tradition that they ought to profess Christ but keep the law [Torah]… One ought not to condemn the Romans, but to praise their faith, because without seeing any signs or miracles and without seeing any of the apostles, they nevertheless accepted faith in Christ, although according to a Jewish rite.
AND SOMETIMES WE CRISTIANS HAVE TO SHOW YOU A LINK SINCE YOU DONT WISH TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE TRUTH
#418906 Jan 30, 2013
remember my son
remember words of you father
Who you call Father as child..pa pa pa pa papa?
Did you see or ever hear that word from tiny child when start walking and talking.
Why is like that?
p a pratri p a p rat tri
paprat as dinosaures is first and some two kingdoom of pape father Creator..
follow word in bigining is word
Since: Jan 08
#418907 Jan 30, 2013
also reg, read Acts, the second chapter and there you will find out that there were visitors from Rome[ Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya near Cyrene, and visitors from Rome]in Jerusalem on the day of Pentecost, and this no doubt was the beginning of the church at Roma, but Acts doesnt record that this was the Roman catholic Church.in fact, the 16th chapter of Romans is a good example of Paul speaking about the Jews who were converted to christianity.
Greet Andronicus and Junia, my compatriots and my fellow prisoners. They are well known to the apostles, and they were in Christ before me[notice this, saved before paul was]. 11 Greet Herodion, my compatriot. Greet those in the household of Narcissus who are in the Lord.
Since: Jan 08
#418908 Jan 30, 2013
u forgot your link source.
#418909 Jan 30, 2013
please tell me
why i am wrong
i am not wrong
i am truth
you not tell me how many times lucy change Eden
where is first Eden
point finger on mAp
for some reason i am not going tell you
but you are wrong
i told you lucy is smart
first and real
paprati=first kingdoom odf god creation which still exist
dionodaur still exist
many spirit left sience creation on this earth
paprat=crown of life..
cro w n
because of that word is alive
pa p rat.ohhh creation as well recreation..you are not thinker
real eden and first eden
where they are today..
#418910 Jan 30, 2013
Yes!! The same old, same old -----TRUTH----- of 2000 years of TRUE Church History and TRUE Interpretation of the Bible, that "debunks, refutes and exposes" ALL of the "bible only" Protestant heresy, distortions, lies and anti-catholic "trash talking" exaggerations that you are "so famous in spreading"!! You continue to "fool NO ONE but yourselves"!!
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