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#418612 Jan 28, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Christ founded one Church.
Now I could be mistaken on how the word 'Christian' came to be, so any help would be appreciated..
The word Christian was applied as a nickname for the followers of Jesus by people who were not 'Christian'.
If you read the New Testament thru the eyes of someone who didn't have any pre conceived knowledge of religion, you would clearly see Jesus Christ started a Church and made Peter His first leader before He died.
Clay
Peace

St. Evodius is thought to have first used the name Christian. He was the first bishop of Antioch....

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05653a.htm
Clay

Chicago, IL

#418613 Jan 28, 2013
preston wrote:
<quoted text>who are you Clay to dare to tell me that I have no Authority? who gave you that Authority to tell God that he was wrong in choosing me to preach the Gospel? and yet you would choose to believe a idiot like iggie whose own writings were considered suspect by the church fathers.
and yeah, It does matter what I say that Jesus said, especially when I said EXACTLY WHAT HE SAID. i CHANGED NOT ONE WORD.
and it is important enough that your very soul is at stake, not mine. I settled my account on 8/25/82, when HIs Blood cleansed my soul, not a piece of grain.
The issue is that you're changing Apostolic teachings Preston. Was your version taught before the 16th century or not? No.
The issue is not whether one can look at the Bible and see things. Heck, anyone can look at Biblical verses and see whatever they wish.(hence, 42,000 and counting)

We can not ever, under any circumstances go against the Apostles nor their Disciples.
Ignatius, Clement and Justin were not far removed from Peter, Paul and John.
Ignatius and Clement sat with the Apostles and heard the Gospel from them. Martyr sat with Ignatius and Clement.... this is divine word passed down. Infallibly protected by Jesus Christ.

Nothing new can be revealed to you in 1982 concerning the Gospels.
I mean, hundreds of testimonies like yours are told to us. It doesn't matter because we can't undo what was once already revealed by the Holy Spirit.

The bread and wine are the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ upon the words of Jesus Christ said by the validly ordained Priest or Bishop. Is etched in stone. Period.
I will go to the lions myself, before I turn my back on this teaching.
Clay

Chicago, IL

#418614 Jan 28, 2013
preston wrote:
<quoted text>who are you Clay to dare to tell me that I have no Authority? who gave you that Authority to tell God that he was wrong in choosing me to preach the Gospel? and yet you would choose to believe a idiot like iggie whose own writings were considered suspect by the church fathers.
and yeah, It does matter what I say that Jesus said, especially when I said EXACTLY WHAT HE SAID. i CHANGED NOT ONE WORD.
and it is important enough that your very soul is at stake, not mine. I settled my account on 8/25/82, when HIs Blood cleansed my soul, not a piece of grain.
You say God told you to preach the Gospel? How am I supposed to accept that?
God already appointed people to reveal the Gospel. They were called the Apostles of Christ.
If you were called, you can't go against them. But you can still preach the Gospel so as long as its in communion with them and the Church they started. If its different, we need to responsibly dismiss you. Not out of disrespect to you, but out of love and trust in Jesus Christ.
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#418615 Jan 28, 2013
"Is the pope the Vicar of Christ?"

Answer: The term "vicar" comes from the Latin word vicarius, which means "instead of." In the Catholic Church, the vicar is the representative of a higher-ranking official, with all of the same authority and power that that official has. Calling the pope the "Vicar of Christ" implies that he has the same power and authority that Christ had over the church. The title is derived from Jesus' words in John 21:16-17 to Peter, "Feed my lambs ... Take care of my sheep." This, according to Catholic reasoning, defines Peter as the Prince of the Apostles, the first pope, and fulfills the words of Jesus in Matthew 16:18-19 (calling Peter the rock upon which Jesus will build His church).

For a better understanding of whether or not it is biblical to consider that a mere man is the representative of Christ, we turn to the pages of Scripture to find out what it says about Jesus' role in our lives, when He walked the earth and what He continues to do right now. The letter to the Hebrews draws the comparison between Jesus and the high priest Melchizedek (Genesis chapter 14) and contrasts this with the old Levitical priesthood. The question posed is, if perfection could be obtained by following the law, why was another priest to come (Hebrews 7:11)?

The writer says,“For it is clear that our Lord descended from Judah, and in regard to that tribe Moses said nothing about priests. And what we have said is even more clear if another priest like Melchizedek appears, one who has become a priest not on the basis of a regulation as to his ancestry but on the basis of power of an indestructible life. For it is declared ‘You are a high priest forever in the order of Melchizedek.’ The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God”(Hebrews 7:14-19).
truth

Perth, Australia

#418616 Jan 28, 2013
you not follow apostol alive as they are..you follow pavle savle davleeeeeeeeee

now
read be happy

Since: Nov 08

usa

#418617 Jan 28, 2013
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
You ARE MISTAKEN as always with your "distorted ([person opinion) garbage history. You comments are nothing more than... exaggerated and overstated "trash" statistics regarding "who killed what and how many"! You are wasting your time with these "bogus inflated myths and history legends" which you are so "famous for" in spreading on this forum. There is "not one" Catholic on this forum or anywhere else that is interested in the "anti-catholic overstated junk history" that has corrupted your mind, heart and soul. You, jethro8 are living in a world of " I wish it were true", church history "hog-wash"!!!(Get a life)
in other words you wish not to speak the truth about your church? you'll speak right up about every other church but when it comes to the truth of the catholic church,your willing to lie,that's ok lying is an ecceptable catholic tradition,from the pope on down they do it so well.... THE TRUE FACE OF THE ROMAN CATHOLIC INQUISITION: one of the psychological devices priests used to get their female penitents to have sex with them was the threat to lie to the "Holy" Inquisition, so the woman would be torturously murdered. Since history books have been largely rewritten, few people know specific details of this murderous campaign that lasted over 1,200 years, killing "75 million people". But, once you understand the unprecedented horrors of the Inquisition, you will never look at Roman Catholicism the same way again.
the Crusades of the middle ages cost from 58,000 to 133,000 lives. The most realistic figure for the Spanish Inquisition puts the total killed from AD1480 to AD1808 at up to 31,912. Finally, records indicate that the number of witches killed may be over 30,000. Some argue that records don't tell everything and suggest that maybe even 100,000 were killed. These three events, totaling over 264,000 killed, are thought to be the largest atrocities perpetrated by one or another form of Christendom.

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#418618 Jan 28, 2013
Post 418445

atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>dont be as stupid as some others on this forum. the word "conceive' means a BEGINNING, IT DOESNT REFER TO SEX BETWEEN GOD AND MARY. A BEGINNING OF HER PREGNANCY , AS SHE NOW BECAME THE SURROGATE MOTHER OF THE SON OF GOD.
your words"God put an embryo from some unknown source " are rediculous, THE SOURCE IS GOD, NOT SOME UNKNOWN SOURCE.
of course there is no mention of the word"embryo" since it wasnt used until 1548, so get real. AND NO, we might not assume that God caused one of her eggs to become an embryo, it doesnt work that way since it takes male sperm to produce an embryo, BUT GOD DIDNT NEED NOR USE ANY EGG FROM HER SINCE THAT MAKES JESUS HALF MAN/ HALF GOD
preston

If God created Adam, and all have descended from Adam, then how can God create a second Adam(Jesus) to redeem the first Adam, if there is nothing of the first Adam within Jesus?

You have removed Jesus from being descended from Adam with your idea that God put "something" in Mary.(You use the word embryo before, but somehow that offends you now....)

You have come up with the idea also of Mary as a SURROGATE, rather than being the direct earthly mother in which SHE conceived in HER womb(Luke 1:31,35) by the overshadowing of the Holy Spirit, as justification for your "something" in Mary.

Your two ideas of embryo implantation by God,(rather than her conceived in her womb by God), and SURROGACY,(from the line of Adam through Mary), are way outside what the Bible declares.

In essence you have reduced Jesus to being some idea of yours you project onto God, of Jesus without being human, thus nullified the death and ressurrection.
preston

Waverly, OH

#418619 Jan 28, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
You say God told you to preach the Gospel? How am I supposed to accept that?
God already appointed people to reveal the Gospel. They were called the Apostles of Christ.
If you were called, you can't go against them. But you can still preach the Gospel so as long as its in communion with them and the Church they started. If its different, we need to responsibly dismiss you. Not out of disrespect to you, but out of love and trust in Jesus Christ.
it all goes back to this. you say that they[apostles] started your church and reggie says that jesus started your church. one of you is worng or both of you are wrong. i vote for both of you being wrong.

I not only was called to preach back in 1984 but God Himself said that I was also an Apostle, therefore saying that, I can and do say this. my authority to tell you EXACTLY what Jesus said trumps any lies that you have been told concerning this piece of grain being Jesus.

NOT ONE APOSTLE EVER SAID THIS WAS AN ACTUAL BODY THAT YOU CATHOLICS EAT. NOT ONE!!!!! You say that Peter is your first pope, then show us where peter said to you catholics that this piece of grain is actually the real body of Jesus.
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#418620 Jan 28, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
The issue is that you're changing Apostolic teachings Preston. Was your version taught before the 16th century or not? No.
The issue is not whether one can look at the Bible and see things. Heck, anyone can look at Biblical verses and see whatever they wish.(hence, 42,000 and counting)
We can not ever, under any circumstances go against the Apostles nor their Disciples.
Ignatius, Clement and Justin were not far removed from Peter, Paul and John.
Ignatius and Clement sat with the Apostles and heard the Gospel from them. Martyr sat with Ignatius and Clement.... this is divine word passed down. Infallibly protected by Jesus Christ.
Nothing new can be revealed to you in 1982 concerning the Gospels.
I mean, hundreds of testimonies like yours are told to us. It doesn't matter because we can't undo what was once already revealed by the Holy Spirit.
The bread and wine are the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ upon the words of Jesus Christ said by the validly ordained Priest or Bishop. Is etched in stone. Period.
I will go to the lions myself, before I turn my back on this teaching.
Clay your Logic is faulty to say the least.
No One can change the written word, it is so written is what Jesus said to satan in the wilderness.
Now if no one can change what the bible is truly saying then it only stands to reason someone is misrepersenting God.
If it is true the catholic church was left the care taker of His Holy Word, it would have to be your church fathers who have misrepresented God.
Because the bible was not available to everyone, the catholic church made sure of that. Even to the extend of burning Gods Holy Word.
Luther, stood up and declare what the catholic church was teaching the people was a false gospel and not bibical.
How would he know that "CLAY" because himself being a catholic priest had excess to the Holy Scriptures.
Even though people may or may not be a fan of Luther, he knew a lie of deception when it crept into the catholic teaching and wanted nothing to do with it and lead the reform.
In all honesty "CLAY" I think you are not looking for truth you are looking to save face.
Because once your eyes are open to the truth, everything you believed in falls apart, and your pride just will not allow you to think all this time you believed a lie., and a very costly one at that.
the bible says "To love the Lord your God with all your Heart"
, All your soul, and with all your Might"
So it has nothing to do with your religious denomination, or anyone else's (its all God's will to be done not mans)

Since: Nov 08

usa

#418621 Jan 28, 2013
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
You ARE MISTAKEN as always with your "distorted ([person opinion) garbage history. You comments are nothing more than... exaggerated and overstated "trash" statistics regarding "who killed what and how many"! You are wasting your time with these "bogus inflated myths and history legends" which you are so "famous for" in spreading on this forum. There is "not one" Catholic on this forum or anywhere else that is interested in the "anti-catholic overstated junk history" that has corrupted your mind, heart and soul. You, jethro8 are living in a world of " I wish it were true", church history "hog-wash"!!!(Get a life)
how can i be mistaken since the catholic church was around before luther wised up and started the protestant church,not sure how long muslims have been around.catholics treated people like trash,so some of these people got a little payback...good for them.and if they are gods chosen, why didn't he stop henry viii from killing catholics? and the muslims also? i'll tell ypou why,the catholic church means nothig to god or jesus if the theory is real,the church is universal,where jesus is so is his true church.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#418622 Jan 28, 2013
604
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
The ONLY point that I proved was that "you have absolutely no idea" as to what you are talking about, but that is "no surprise" to any of us Catholics who know the TRUTH of TRUE Church History and the TRUE interpretation of the Bible..... This verified, authenticated and PROVEN TRUTH was handed down by the Early Church Fathers, who formed the Canon of Scripture in 382,393, and 397 giving you Protestants the bible, which you "distort, mis-interpret, mis-quote, mis-use and abuse" to your own demise and destruction"....... As I have told you and other "half-truth, half-heresy" (bible only) Protestants over and over again--thast the word Catholic doesn't have to be in the Bible, in order for it to be True!! Just like every word, every phrase, every sentence, does not have to appear in the bible in order for it to be true. The word "Catholic" is recorded, stated and expressed over and over again throughout Church History since 060 AD for over 2000 years. Again--the Greek translation for Church ("ecclesia") means visible, heirarchical, authoritative,Church which (again) parallels Acts 2 and Jesus Christs 1st Church of Antioch, ministered, taught and preached by the Apostles with Bishops, deacons, priests and elders. This is the same (visible) Church that is referred to over 30 times in the New Testament. This is the same heirarchical Church that Jesus established, formed and authenticated in Matthew 16:13-21. This is (also0 the same One True Church that Paul refers to in his letters to the Churches in Philippi, Corinth, Thessalonica, Ephesus, Colossia and on and on and on for over 2000 years through History.
"You see", Oxbow, the only thing that I have proven to you is that "you don't see"!!!!
552 500

Thanks for proving my point:

Mt 16:8 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
In the definition of church, show me the term "Catholic Church"....
You can't....because it is not there!!!!
church: ekklesia a calling out, i.e.(concretely) a popular meeting, especially a religious congregation (Jewish synagogue, or Christian community of members on earth or saints in heaven or both):--assembly, church.

Your vain words do not change the definition of the word "church"..He did not establish a denomination.....which is what the Catholic religion is.....a denomination..

Only the Catholics...The word "church" as found in Scripture is a noun. To perpetuate the erroneous teaching that Christ established the RCC, the noun "church" has been changed to a proper noun "Church"..

Since: Nov 08

usa

#418623 Jan 28, 2013
Tony17 wrote:
I want to ask our Catholic brethren a question. You guys tend to think that Peter was the foundation upon whom Christ built His church. You call Peter "the rock" if you may. However if the leaders of the RCC make Peter the Rock upon whom Christ built His church, ther what does that make Christ?
In Epehsians 2:20 Christ is called the CHIEF cornerstone and if Christ is the Chief Cornerstone upon whom all the Apostles and Prophets are built then how can Peter be the rock upon whom the church is built?
Either the Bible is lying or the leaders of the RCC is lying. Guess who is telling you lies. Hint,it isn't the Bible. Those of you that believe that Peter instead of Christ is the foundation upon which the church is built had better stop listening to the RCC leaders and read EPHESIANS 2;20
a good wall hanging.they hang him up on the walls of the church to scare people into not leaving the church,but luckily they are by the thousands.must be below the 1 billion mark by now.
ReginaM

Jackson, NJ

#418624 Jan 28, 2013
The Danger of Fundamentalists

Catholicism IS Christianity

May 6, 2011

I really want to correct the misconception that Catholicism is just a branch of Christianity and at the same time correct the lie that Catholicism is not Christian. Catholicism is NOT just a branch of Christianity. Catholicism IS Christianity. Other Christian churches are just poor imitations of Catholicism. They separated from Catholicism and invented their own teachings to suit their own personal agenda. Others have strayed so far that calling them Christians is not only inaccurate but absolutely false (E.g., religions that claim to be Christians but reject the Trinity, like Jehovah’s Witnesses and Mormons, which, ridiculously enough, claim they restored Christianity). Mormonism and Jehovah’s Witnesses reject the Trinity but the basic tenet of Christianity is the Trinity, so how can one be a Christian if he, or she, rejects the Trinity? To say that a Christian is someone who follows Jesus’ teachings is being vague since Mormons and Jehovah’s Witnesses have their own version of Jesus. Their Jesus is not the Jesus that Christians know. Jehovah’s Witnesses’ Jesus is just an angel. But when Jehovah’s Witnesses are deliberately trying to mislead Christians away from Christianity, they claim that Jesus is also a god (implying that Jesus is merely a creation among many). In the US Christianity is too watered-down that only a very few have an idea of what Christianity really is. The problem is the watered-down Christianity is spreading like wild fire across the globe so ignorance of Christianity is spreading (Ignorance of Catholicism is ignorance of Christianity). I blame it on the bible fundamentalists who know nothing about the history of Christianity because they’re well-versed in their revisionist history. Bible fundamentalists, who prefer to be called as just “Christians”(to own that word), or “born again”, are continuously lying about the teachings of Catholicism. They also chime in with anti-Catholic “atheists”, or any anti-Catholics, in highlighting the individual Catholic’s flaw in an attempt to say that Catholicism is evil. They would do anything, no matter what it takes, to destroy Catholicism. They mean us harm. No, I’m not being paranoid. In bible fundamentalists’(and anti-Catholics in general) attempt to destroy Catholicism, they’re attempting to destroy our way to know God. But I’m not only blaming the bible fundamentalists. I know that a lot of cradle Catholics (like myself) are guilty of being indifferent for so long that we failed to defend Catholicism from the lies and venom that those bible fundamentalists are spewing against Catholicism. On top of that, Catholicism is also being attacked from within by some Catholics with the same venom and lies that bible fundamentalists spew, not to mention the Catholic priests that gave Catholicism shame (they opened a door for enemies to attack Catholicism by committing crimes against children). Now, many people see that as an opportunity to shame Catholicism into silence in an attempt to destroy Catholicism. So, as devout Catholics, we must make our true doctrines known. Like Fr. Barron said,“Catholic stories are being told by the wrong people in the wrong way. We need to tell our own story. We need to get the message out so as to draw people in”. It is our duty as Catholics to spread the fullness of truth, which is God, and which only Catholicism can provide because Catholicism is The Church that Jesus built. We, Catholics must be steadfast in our devotion to God by defending our faith.
http://lemraq.wordpress.com/tag/the-danger-of...

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#418625 Jan 28, 2013
624
ReginaM wrote:
The Danger of Fundamentalists
Catholicism IS Christianity
May 6, 2011
I really want to correct the misconception that Catholicism is just a branch of Christianity and at the same time correct the lie that Catholicism is not Christian. Catholicism is NOT just a branch of Christianity. Catholicism IS Christianity. Other Christian churches are just poor imitations of Catholicism. They separated from Catholicism and invented their own teachings to suit their own personal agenda. Others have strayed so far that calling them Christians is not only inaccurate but absolutely false (E.g., religions that claim to be Christians but reject the Trinity, like Jehovah’s Witnesses and Mormons, which, ridiculously enough, claim they restored Christianity). Mormonism and Jehovah’s Witnesses reject the Trinity but the basic tenet of Christianity is the Trinity, so how can one be a Christian if he, or she, rejects the Trinity? To say that a Christian is someone who follows Jesus’ teachings is being vague since Mormons and Jehovah’s Witnesses have their own version of Jesus. Their Jesus is not the Jesus that Christians know. Jehovah’s Witnesses’ Jesus is just an angel. But when Jehovah’s Witnesses are deliberately trying to mislead Christians away from Christianity, they claim that Jesus is also a god (implying that Jesus is merely a creation among many). In the US Christianity is too watered-down that only a very few have an idea of what Christianity really is. The problem is the watered-down Christianity is spreading like wild fire across the globe so ignorance of Christianity is spreading (Ignorance of Catholicism is ignorance of Christianity). I blame it on the bible fundamentalists who know nothing about the history of Christianity because they’re well-versed in their revisionist history. Bible fundamentalists, who prefer to be called as just “Christians”(to own that word), or “born again”, are continuously lying about the teachings of Catholicism. They also chime in with anti-Catholic “atheists”, or any anti-Catholics, in highlighting the individual Catholic’s flaw in an attempt to say that Catholicism is evil. They would do anything, no matter what it takes, to destroy Catholicism. They mean us harm. No, I’m not being paranoid. In bible fundamentalists’(and anti-Catholics in general) attempt to destroy Catholicism, they’re attempting to destroy our way to know God. But I’m not only blaming the bible fundamentalists. I know that a lot of cradle Catholics (like myself) are guilty of being indifferent for so long that we failed to defend Catholicism from the lies and venom that those bible fundamentalists are spewing against Catholicism. On top of that, Catholicism is also being attacked from within by some Catholics with the same venom and lies that bible fundamentalists spew, not to mention the Catholic priests that gave Catholicism shame (they opened a door for enemies to attack Catholicism by committing crimes against children). Now, many people see that as an opportunity to shame Catholicism into silence in an attempt to destroy Catholicism.
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Glad to help...

denomination
1. A large group of religious congregations united under a common faith and name and organized under a single administrative and legal hierarchy.

To say that Catholics are not united under a common faith (Christianity) and name (Roman Catholic Church) and organized under a single administrative and legal hierarchy (The Vatacan) displays a denial of reality!!!!!
Clay

Chicago, IL

#418626 Jan 28, 2013
preston wrote:
<quoted text>it all goes back to this. you say that they[apostles] started your church and reggie says that jesus started your church. one of you is worng or both of you are wrong. i vote for both of you being wrong.
I not only was called to preach back in 1984 but God Himself said that I was also an Apostle, therefore saying that, I can and do say this. my authority to tell you EXACTLY what Jesus said trumps any lies that you have been told concerning this piece of grain being Jesus.
NOT ONE APOSTLE EVER SAID THIS WAS AN ACTUAL BODY THAT YOU CATHOLICS EAT. NOT ONE!!!!! You say that Peter is your first pope, then show us where peter said to you catholics that this piece of grain is actually the real body of Jesus.
Of course Jesus started the Church. But He didn't write anything down or go across the known world preaching. He sent His Apostles.

And yes Preston, the Apostles did say what bread and wine are. Jesus Himself said it.
Paul taught it in 1cor 11:23
You reject it. You say Christ didn't really mean it.
Paul didn't really think it was Christs body and blood. The Apostolic fathers were all nuts too for thinking it. Right?
ReginaM

Jackson, NJ

#418627 Jan 28, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
624
<quoted text>
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Glad to help...
denomination
1. A large group of religious congregations united under a common faith and name and organized under a single administrative and legal hierarchy.
To say that Catholics are not united under a common faith (Christianity) and name (Roman Catholic Church) and organized under a single administrative and legal hierarchy (The Vatacan) displays a denial of reality!!!!!
You're ignoring the simple reality that the author is pointing out:

Catholicism IS Christianity. Catholicism is not a "group united under a common faith".....Catholicism IS the Christian faith.....the Christian faith IS Catholicism. They are one and the same. Christianity = Catholicism. Catholicism = Christianity.

Anything else is a pale imitation, a johnny-come-lately, watered down version that's been distorted beyond all recognition. THE Christian Church, that is the Catholic Church, is the Church founded by Jesus Christ on the rock of St. Peter, the apostle, with Christ being the chief cornerstone. You people don't understand what a cornerstone is, do you? It's obvious you don't from your comments here (lol).

The Apostolic faith, meaning the faith taught by the Apostles, can only be found in the Catholic Church, including the Eastern rites. Some of you might love God and are trying to keep His commandments (although very, very few of you as evidenced by your comments), but you do not adhere to faith taught by those He left in charge of His church, His apostles and their successors.

Sorry, but you made your choice. Free will and all that.
ReginaM

Jackson, NJ

#418628 Jan 28, 2013
TOWARD YOUR HAPPINESS
Catholicism and Fundamentalism: A Contrast

A Pastoral Letter to Catholics in Mississippi and Alabama

"I prefer to work with you toward your happiness." 2 Cor. 1:24

8. Fundamentalists, because of their literalist mindset, have led others, by using brief Scripture quotations taken out of context, to world views and judgments very much opposed to our Catholic understanding. They set up an exaggerated contrast between the world (evil) and the Kingdom (good). While it is true that Scripture talks about the antagonism between the world and the Kingdom, it does not condemn our basic creation. The Bible teaches that we often take the good things God has created and misuse them. it is we who can be evil, not the universe. For Catholics, Biblical teaching has always maintained that our world is good and has been entrusted to our care by God. We do not see it as something evil to escape, rather we embrace our world without embracing the sin within it.

The Fundamentalist approach often leads one to an unbalanced spirituality. Holiness, in this view, comes from fleeing the world: perfect holiness will only be achieved when the world is destroyed. This gives the lie to the Incarnation. Christ Jesus entered the world and began the process of its conversion and transformation. What Adam undid through sin, Christ redoes, and more, through the grace of His redeeming Death and Resurrection.
http://www.shc.edu/theolibrary/resources/fund...
truth

Perth, Australia

#418629 Jan 28, 2013
Did they told you about Magus Simon sosero as black no no that peter is not Jesus Christ alive apostol.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Nucci,_Avan...
Guest

Poplar Bluff, MO

#418630 Jan 28, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Of course Jesus started the Church. But He didn't write anything down or go across the known world preaching. He sent His Apostles.
And yes Preston, the Apostles did say what bread and wine are. Jesus Himself said it.
Paul taught it in 1cor 11:23
You reject it. You say Christ didn't really mean it.
Paul didn't really think it was Christs body and blood. The Apostolic fathers were all nuts too for thinking it. Right?
Christ wrote the Ten Commandments with his own finger on stone tablets ) Jesus stated he was the one with the church in the wilderness) and on the wall also in the ground long before the apostles come on the scene.........read his written word then you would know not to say he never wrote anything down.
truth

Perth, Australia

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