Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ. Read more
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#418591 Jan 28, 2013
Who is the true Vicar of Christ?
The Roman Catholic Pope or the Holy Spirit?
As world attention focuses on Pope Benedict XVI, it is important to note that the Vatican officially teaches that the Pope is the substitute for Christ Jesus. The words of the official pronouncement are:
“The Pope, Bishop of Rome and Peter's successor,'is the perpetual and visible source and foundation of the unity both of the bishops and of the whole company of the faithful.'
'For the Roman Pontiff, by reason of his office as Vicar of Christ, and as pastor of the entire Church has full, supreme, and universal power over the whole Church, a power which he can always exercise.”[Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition (Washington, DC: US Catholic Conference, 1994, 1997)#882.]
[Definition:“vicar”—in the broadest sense means someone who is authorized to act as a substitute or agent for a superior / compare “vicarious”—serving in the place of someone else; assuming the position, place, or office of another person]
The world again has a man in the position of “Vicar of Christ,” so it is biblically imperative to examine the true office of the Vicar of Christ. The Lord Jesus Christ entrusted the universal care of souls into the safekeeping of the Divine Person of the Holy Spirit. Concerning this Third Person of the Trinity who was to be His substitute, the Lord promised that,“when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment”(John 16:8). The Holy Spirit convicts of sin as He makes the sinner realize his lost condition and convicts him of his need of Christ's righteousness. He it is who brings a soul dead in sin to life.
This miracle of grace is spoken of in Scripture as,“the exceeding greatness of His power to usward who believe, according to the working of His mighty power, which He wrought in Christ when He raised Him from the dead”(Ephesians 1:19).
The majesty, greatness and indescribable power of the true office of Vicar of Christ are such that a believer stands in awe of His divine Person. That any human being should lay claim to the office of Vicar of Christ seems totally absurd and blasphemous.
truth

Perth, Australia

#418592 Jan 28, 2013
you not give me back..who take me up..or who attacking or bombarding my mind..
blue huge space not so huge if we look with tiny soul or spirit..why you realy think its big or huge..or i just tell you that i see like that..why my mind recorded that..dead body many many many.
Why is like that..i think i am ok.
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#418593 Jan 28, 2013
The History of the claim to be Vicar of Christ

This outlandish assertion came relatively late in the history of the Papacy. To begin with, the Bishop of Rome claimed to be the vicar of Caesar—and his successors the rightful heirs to the Caesars. The city that had been the seat of power for the Roman Empire became the city for the Bishop of Rome to exercise his authority.

Gradually, other Bishops and national monarchs accepted him as vicar and successor to Caesar with the same supreme title of “Pontifex Maximus.”

Next, the Bishops of Rome claimed to be “The vicar of the prince of the

apostles”[1], that is, the vicar of Peter.[2] Thus, in the early fifth century, Bishop Innocent I (401-417 A.D.) insisted that Christ had delegated supreme power to Peter and made him the Bishop of Rome. Following this, he held that the Bishop of Rome as Peter's successor was entitled to exercise Peter's power and prerogatives. Boniface III, who became Bishop of Rome in 607, established himself as “Universal Bishop,” thus claiming to be vicar and master of all other bishops.

It was not until the eighth century, however, that the particular title “Vicar of the Son of God”

[3] was found in the fraudulent document called “The Donation of Constantine.”[4] Although this notorious document was proven false in the early sixteenth century, the Bishops of Rome have used the title “Vicar of Christ” since the eighth century. This title has been the Pope's supreme claim to spiritual and temporal supremacy. The taste of divine power, with which the title resonates, has proven to be addictive. The “Vicar of Christ” is able to recognize no authority other than his own. He looks upon himself as Master of all, and boldly proclaims,“The First See is judged by no one.”[5]

It is truly significant that Joseph Ratzinger was elected as the new Pope as Benedict XVI (April 2005). Before this, he headed up the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith [formerly known as the Office of the Inquisition][6]. Archconservatives in the Church of Rome warmly welcomed him; however, he will not be acceptable to many American Catholics because of his hard-line stance.

This rigid position was seen clearly in the document that he issued on September 5, 2000 called,“Dominus Iesus.”

[7] In that document, he boldly decreed that the Roman Catholic Church is the only “instrument for the salvation of all humanity.”[8]

Dogmatically, he also rules out evangelical churches from being considered as,“Churches in the proper sense,” when he proclaimed,“the ecclesial communities which have not preserved the valid
CONT
truth

Perth, Australia

#418594 Jan 28, 2013
no cemetery exist according you..

please tell me

Why they don't liked see any evidence of life existence?
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#418595 Jan 28, 2013
CONT

The History of the claim to be Vicar of Christ

Episcopate [that is, rulership by Roman Catholic bishops] and the genuine and integral substance of the Eucharistic mystery [that is, partaking of Mass (the Lord's Supper) in the manner of Roman Catholics, including their teaching that the priest miraculously transforms the wine and bread into the actual blood and flesh of Jesus Christ], are not Churches in the proper sense.”[9]

Rome's alleged office of Christ's Vicar on earth is so all embracing and complicated that Benedict XVI, as one man, cannot exercise “supreme, full, immediate, and universal power.” Thus Joseph Ratzinger needs a vast hierarchy to command. The pyramid of power that constitutes his office of the “Vicar of Christ” consists of cardinals, patriarchs, major archbishops, metropolitans, coadjutor archbishops, diocesan bishops, coadjutor bishops, episcopal vicar, eparches, apostolic vicars, apostolic prefects, apostolic administrators and vicars general.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#418596 Jan 28, 2013
552
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
Since when does every word, every phrase, every sentence MUST be in the Bible in order for it to be true. Where does it say "in the bible" that God chose to transmit His divine words ONLY in the bible. NOWHERE!! This "bible only" distorted idea, is a "manufactured, made-up, invented myth---CONCOCTED by Protestants which has absolutely "no basis of biblical of historical truth!!
Consequently--the word Catholic doesn't need to be in the Bible, just like the word Trinity, or the words "bible only" or even the word bible!! I gave you the lengthy Church History historical documented proof of the word Catholic! Do I need to post it again for you???---And by the way---the word "ecclesia" translated from the Greek means heirarchical, authoritative, visible (Church) which parallels the New Testament --in Acts 2, where Paul speaks to the Church in Antioch with Bishops, elders, priests and deacons as (again) authoritative, heirarchical and visible---which is the One True (Universal-Catholic) Church that Jesus intitated in Matthew 16:13-21 and has continued for over 2000 years.
Thanks for proving my point:

500

Mt 16:8 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

In the definition of church, show me the term "Catholic Church"....

You can't....because it is not there!!!!
church: ekklesia a calling out, i.e.(concretely) a popular meeting, especially a religious congregation (Jewish synagogue, or Christian community of members on earth or saints in heaven or both):--assembly, church.
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#418597 Jan 28, 2013
Doctrine and Deeds

The counterfeit nature of the Pope's claim to be “the Vicar of Christ” is shown by his doctrine and deeds. The key role of the True Vicar of Christ is to glorify Christ,“He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you”(John 16:14). The sending of the Spirit was the glorifying of Christ. God the Father glorifies Christ Jesus in heaven, and the Spirit glorifies Him on earth. All the gifts and graces of the Holy Spirit are to glorify Christ.

The Lord Jesus Christ promised the

Apostles,“when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth”(John 16:13).

God's truth is an indissoluble, balanced and harmonious whole. In the Bible we have “all truth,” in this the Holy Spirit truly glorifies Jesus Christ. In stark contrast, the Pope claims to possess “infallible teaching authority.” This neither glorifies Christ nor honors the Spirit of truth.[11] Also the Pope, as “the Vicar of Christ” teaches “rebirth” by baptism, which demeans the glory of Christ.[12][See:“Is water baptism necessary for salvation?” and “Grace”]

By crucifixes, rosaries, and scapulars, the earthly Vicar purports to fortify men and women against the assaults of

Satan. He also maintains that indulgences can shorten the sufferings of souls in purgatory. While presiding over substantially the richest financial institution in the world, he maintains and advocates vows of poverty. Even as thousands of souls are corrupted by unbridled filthiness, he defends the vows of celibacy for his priests. By autonomous proclamations, he releases men and women from their marriage vows in self-declared annulments.[13]

None of these deeds glorify Christ Jesus the Lord. The major enemy of Christ and His Gospel, however, is not materialism nor is it lust, but rather the spiritual pride and the apostasy of the very one who pretends to be His “Vicar”. The first lie of Satan,“ye shall be as gods”(Genesis 3:5) reaches its full fruition in the Papal claim to be “Vicar of Christ.” By this, the words of the Apostle Paul are literally fulfilled,“who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called Godshowing himself that he is God”(II Thessalonians 2:4).

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#418598 Jan 28, 2013
564
JUST-A-CHRISTIAN wrote:
<quoted text>
Romanism IS nothing more than a DENOMINATION.
It is man-made as any other earthly religion.
And as I pointed out, several times, the word "church" used by Christ is not defined as a denomination....it defines "Christianity"...
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#418599 Jan 28, 2013
Habemus papam” we have a Papa!

Vatican, St. Peter's Basilica.
Photo courtesy of

Bibleplaces

The waiting is finished. The senior cardinal-deacon appeared on a balcony overlooking St. Peter's Square and announced:“Habemus papam! we have a Papa!”[14] Catholics and the world are told that they now have a spiritual Papa to look after them.

Christ Jesus constantly spoke about His Father, the word “Father” was seventy times on His lips to show true believers that they have a Father, a Father in Heaven—“my Father, and your Father my God, and your God”(John 20:17). Distinctively true believers have an Abba Father, in the words of the Apostle,“for ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father”(Romans 8:15).

It is precisely because believers have an Abba Father that they are commanded not to call any man “Father” in the spiritual sense. Thus the Lord's command,“call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven”(Matthew 23:9). The Lord Christ Jesus prayed to the only “Holy Father” that exists,“Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are”(John 17:11). The Lord used His usual appellation “Father,” but prefixed it with the word “Holy”. He wanted to emphasize the absolute perfection of the Father's nature.

So intimate and worshipful is this, that in a spiritual sense a true believer will only use the words “The Holy Father” of God alone! The Roman Pontiff not only takes to himself the office of “Vicar of Christ” but also the very title of the Godhead,“The Holy Father.” We must therefore ask the question that Apostle John asks,“Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son”(I John 2:22). In assuming these titles to himself, the Pope shows that he truly is “a vicar of Christ” in the biblical sense of the Antichrist!
hojo

Saint Paul, MN

#418600 Jan 28, 2013
RCC Superiority So BUSTED wrote:
<quoted text>
So much talk, but zero walk.
PROVE IT.
In the early 1970's, the RCC had "independent" tests done on the human tissue from one of their supposed Eucharist real Presence miracles.
The results? It was human heart tissue. Wow! So who was murdered?
Memo to Catholics-in-denial..........
Today, we have developed amazing new forensic tests, including DNA and much more.
So why not do tests today -- like the RCC did over 40 years ago, but this time mankind will have much more information!
Why not? Because the RCC is a fraud, and these so-called miracles are all frauds.
Tests in 1970's but nothing today? Typical of a faker.
BUSTED.

You are "wasting you time" with anti-catholic "gibberish, and meaningless unintelligible talk which has no basis of truth or fact
21 Century (modernistic) tests HAVE BEEN DONE!!---AND---they all continue to concur, agree and co-incide with what the Catholic Church has known, and believed for over 2000 years.... The Eucharist-- was, is and will "continue to remain" the (True Body and the True Blood) of Jesus Christ HIMSELF, manifested in the "real presence" of Christ,each and every day at Daily Mass in the Eucharist. Again--John 6:47-59.
Your "bogus-anti-catholic " confuse personal opinion--has not, will not nor (will EVER) change the TRUTH of the Sacrifice of Holy Communion, of the Lords Supper in the Sacrifice of the Mass.
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#418601 Jan 28, 2013
Conclusion and Personal Response

Today, some compromised and eclectic “Evangelicals” stop their ears and close their eyes to the true Vicar of Christ and mindlessly agree with the festivities that accompanied the white smoke that arose from the Vatican. Ignored once again are the questions: Whom do we honor? Whom do we fear? Is it God or man? As the world and false Evangelicals bow in admiration to the new Pontiff, we might well take a moment to pause and consider where we personally stand as believers in the One Lord Christ Jesus and the One Holy Spirit.

Those who hold the office of Pope claim to mediate between God and man and to hold the keys of heaven and hell. Most appallingly the Pope takes to himself the office of “Vicar of Christ” adding even the attribute of

infallibility to his position,[15] demanding that “a religious respect of intellect and will be paid to his teaching.”[16] The Papal arrogance tallies well with the Scripture's prediction for such claims,“I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High”(Isaiah 14:14).

The words inscribed in the Pope's official miter are “Vicarius Filii Dei,” Latin for “Vicar of the Son of God.” Since there can be but one Vicar of Christ who is infinite, supreme, omnipotent, and all sufficient, the earthly pretender can be none other than a self-energized apostate system which will eventually be judged and utterly condemned by the Lord.

It is the will of God that every true believer “should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints”(Jude 3). Those of us who cling to Christ and His Word alone, and who are saved before the all-Holy God by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone, with all glory and praise to God alone must give voice to our profession of faith.
RCC Superiority So BUSTED

Melbourne, FL

#418602 Jan 28, 2013
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
You are "wasting you time" with anti-catholic "gibberish, and meaningless unintelligible talk which has no basis of truth or fact
21 Century (modernistic) tests HAVE BEEN DONE!!---AND---they all continue to concur, agree and co-incide with what the Catholic Church has known, and believed for over 2000 years.... The Eucharist-- was, is and will "continue to remain" the (True Body and the True Blood) of Jesus Christ HIMSELF, manifested in the "real presence" of Christ,each and every day at Daily Mass in the Eucharist. Again--John 6:47-59.
Your "bogus-anti-catholic " confuse personal opinion--has not, will not nor (will EVER) change the TRUTH of the Sacrifice of Holy Communion, of the Lords Supper in the Sacrifice of the Mass.
Human heart tissue. So what?

At a recent such "miracle" in Poland, the Priest had the good sense to call the police.

In the early 1970's, the RCC had "independent" tests done on the human tissue from one of their supposed Eucharist real Presence miracles.

The results? It was human heart tissue. Wow! So who was murdered?

Memo to Catholics-in-denial..........

Today, we have developed amazing new forensic tests, including DNA and much more.

So why not do tests today -- like the RCC did over 40 years ago, but this time mankind will have much more information!

Why not? Because the RCC is a fraud, and these so-called miracles are all frauds.

Tests in 1970's, but nothing today? No DNA tests. No chromosomal testing. Typical RCC cheap trick.

BUSTED.
truth

Perth, Australia

#418603 Jan 28, 2013
your modern way is destruction..way direct into modern evil destruction..its so easy.

now
You make me very angry..did i need be..everything as you need is to be as child dot to dot..destroy all lot..why is like that?
hojo

Saint Paul, MN

#418604 Jan 28, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
552
<quoted text>
Thanks for proving my point:
500
Mt 16:8 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
In the definition of church, show me the term "Catholic Church"....
You can't....because it is not there!!!!
church: ekklesia a calling out, i.e.(concretely) a popular meeting, especially a religious congregation (Jewish synagogue, or Christian community of members on earth or saints in heaven or both):--assembly, church.
The ONLY point that I proved was that "you have absolutely no idea" as to what you are talking about, but that is "no surprise" to any of us Catholics who know the TRUTH of TRUE Church History and the TRUE interpretation of the Bible..... This verified, authenticated and PROVEN TRUTH was handed down by the Early Church Fathers, who formed the Canon of Scripture in 382,393, and 397 giving you Protestants the bible, which you "distort, mis-interpret, mis-quote, mis-use and abuse" to your own demise and destruction"....... As I have told you and other "half-truth, half-heresy" (bible only) Protestants over and over again--thast the word Catholic doesn't have to be in the Bible, in order for it to be True!! Just like every word, every phrase, every sentence, does not have to appear in the bible in order for it to be true. The word "Catholic" is recorded, stated and expressed over and over again throughout Church History since 060 AD for over 2000 years. Again--the Greek translation for Church ("ecclesia") means visible, heirarchical, authoritative,Church which (again) parallels Acts 2 and Jesus Christs 1st Church of Antioch, ministered, taught and preached by the Apostles with Bishops, deacons, priests and elders. This is the same (visible) Church that is referred to over 30 times in the New Testament. This is the same heirarchical Church that Jesus established, formed and authenticated in Matthew 16:13-21. This is (also0 the same One True Church that Paul refers to in his letters to the Churches in Philippi, Corinth, Thessalonica, Ephesus, Colossia and on and on and on for over 2000 years through History.
"You see", Oxbow, the only thing that I have proven to you is that "you don't see"!!!!
truth

Perth, Australia

#418605 Jan 28, 2013
temple
start like that synagog

words
deference between synagog ..temple ..church

now gog magog

explain or else

i am going within few days find information
for set up
3x heaven

3000 left
from 3000
will be left only
1000
byyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
hojo

Saint Paul, MN

#418606 Jan 28, 2013
RCC Superiority So BUSTED wrote:
<quoted text>
Human heart tissue. So what?
At a recent such "miracle" in Poland, the Priest had the good sense to call the police.
In the early 1970's, the RCC had "independent" tests done on the human tissue from one of their supposed Eucharist real Presence miracles.
The results? It was human heart tissue. Wow! So who was murdered?
Memo to Catholics-in-denial..........
Today, we have developed amazing new forensic tests, including DNA and much more.
So why not do tests today -- like the RCC did over 40 years ago, but this time mankind will have much more information!
Why not? Because the RCC is a fraud, and these so-called miracles are all frauds.
Tests in 1970's, but nothing today? No DNA tests. No chromosomal testing. Typical RCC cheap trick.
BUSTED.
Quite frankly, I could care less "what you chose to believe"! It makes no difference to me, ANY Catholic on this forum, or any of the 1.168 Billion Catholics around the world--who KNOW, BELIEVE, AND ADHERE to the TRUTH of Jesus Christ One True Apostolic Catholic Church and the TRUTH of the Jesus Christs TRUE BODY AND BLOOD in the Eucharist. There is NOTHING to debate, NOTHING to discuss and NOTHING to argue about regarding the TRUE SPOKEN, STATED AND EXPRESSED words of Jesus Christ in the Gospel of Matthew (regarding His One and Only True Church and the Eucharist in the Gospel of John. Go argue with your other 42,000+ bible only Protestant contradicting and inconsistent (relative truth) confused half-truth, half-heresy Christians..... We as Catholics will CONTINUE to follow Jesus Christ in the FULLNESS of the Faith and the FULLNESS of the Truth, manifested in and through Our Lords One True Apostolic Catholic Church....You can do what you want!!
truth

Perth, Australia

#418607 Jan 28, 2013
i allready told you what others set up i am not interesting..they are make me angry..o yes ..they like see that..but i will do find
where is that sin gog

oh
only that

no

much more
3x heaven
left
3000
left
1000
then
is your god there

all personel will hide themself where??????????
whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy?

from whom??????????

say again
how much left
only
1000
Who they are?
Did you know that???????
preston

Waverly, OH

#418608 Jan 28, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
We can't just debate what Christ supposedly 'really meant' from our view in the yr 2013.
The only way to know for sure what was actually taught, is to understand what the first Christians understood about the Eucharist.
Clearly, people thought the bread and wine to be the body and blood of Jesus Christ.
You're too late to change this teaching. The Apostles didn't forget to be clear Preston. They made sure Our Lords will was conveyed to the people.
We give you clear and irrefutable testimony from Ignatius (Disciple of John) and you say "oh well, the man was wrong. I'm right" .
To me, that is as bold as one can get.
Again, we don't accept the Eucharist dogma because we read about it.
Rather, we partake in it and testify to it.
It matters nothing, what you or anyone else say Jesus meant. You do not have the authority to determine such a thing. The Apostles did. They preached by word of mouth in letter. They explained it already. No one can undo it.. not even Pope Benedict The 16th has the authority to undo this. He wouldn't dare attempt to undo these first century teachings. There sacred and untouchable
who are you Clay to dare to tell me that I have no Authority? who gave you that Authority to tell God that he was wrong in choosing me to preach the Gospel? and yet you would choose to believe a idiot like iggie whose own writings were considered suspect by the church fathers.

and yeah, It does matter what I say that Jesus said, especially when I said EXACTLY WHAT HE SAID. i CHANGED NOT ONE WORD.

and it is important enough that your very soul is at stake, not mine. I settled my account on 8/25/82, when HIs Blood cleansed my soul, not a piece of grain.
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#418609 Jan 28, 2013
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
Ah, Yes--the old "graven images" BS again! Why is it Confrinting, that you continue to " stumble and fall all over yourself" digging yourself into a "deeper and deeper" hole of anti-catholic distortion, lies and deceit. Each one of your comments only show how "desperate" that you are with your use of a "smorgasboard pyramid" of mis-interpreted bible verses to "prop up" your collapsing anti-catholic condemning (bible verse pyramid...... EVERY CATHOLIC on this forum (Clay, Anthony, Regina, myself and others ALL have experienced the vengeance, hostility and hatred that has "corrupted" your mind, heart and soul, leading you down the (wide)path of "judgmental and condemning damnation" of other TRUE Christians, especially Catholics. God will only put up with your "hate game" of Catholic Christians and other Christians who follow Jesus Christ (every day) for just "so long". Take heed to words in Galations 6:7 "Be not deceived for God is not mocked, for WHATSOEVER a man soweth--that shall he also reap!!!For he that soweth unto his own flesh, shall of the flesh "reap corruption"!!
Confrinting as you (continue) to sow condemnation, judgement, hate, etc against your other brothers and sisters in Christ, God will eventually "deal with your hostile actions". I/we/and my family as Catholics continue to pray that God will "release you" from the "bondage" of sin that has corrupted you!!
Clay says,......

.....Ah, Yes--the old "graven images" BS again! Why is it Confrinting, that you continue to " stumble and fall all over yourself" digging yourself into a "deeper and deeper" hole of anti-catholic distortion, lies and deceit.

Michael says....Why don't you answer the question instead of continually looking for excuses?

Why create a picture or statue of someone, if you have no idea what this person looked like if they did exist?

If someone cut a mans picture from a magazine and gave it to you and said this was your father, what would you say?

CONFIRMED BUSTED!

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