Roman Catholic church only true churc...

Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 679024 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at CBC News.

hojo

Saint Paul, MN

#418552 Jan 28, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
500
<quoted text>
Mt 16:8 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
In the definition of church, show me the term "Catholic Church"....
You can't....because it is not there!!!!
church: ekklesia a calling out, i.e.(concretely) a popular meeting, especially a religious congregation (Jewish synagogue, or Christian community of members on earth or saints in heaven or both):--assembly, church.
Since when does every word, every phrase, every sentence MUST be in the Bible in order for it to be true. Where does it say "in the bible" that God chose to transmit His divine words ONLY in the bible. NOWHERE!! This "bible only" distorted idea, is a "manufactured, made-up, invented myth---CONCOCTED by Protestants which has absolutely "no basis of biblical of historical truth!!
Consequently--the word Catholic doesn't need to be in the Bible, just like the word Trinity, or the words "bible only" or even the word bible!! I gave you the lengthy Church History historical documented proof of the word Catholic! Do I need to post it again for you???---And by the way---the word "ecclesia" translated from the Greek means heirarchical, authoritative, visible (Church) which parallels the New Testament --in Acts 2, where Paul speaks to the Church in Antioch with Bishops, elders, priests and deacons as (again) authoritative, heirarchical and visible---which is the One True (Universal-Catholic) Church that Jesus intitated in Matthew 16:13-21 and has continued for over 2000 years.

“YESHUA IS LORD”

Since: Apr 07

GAWGIA (GEORGIA)

#418553 Jan 28, 2013
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
Since when does every word, every phrase, every sentence MUST be in the Bible in order for it to be true. Where does it say "in the bible" that God chose to transmit His divine words ONLY in the bible. NOWHERE!! This "bible only" distorted idea, is a "manufactured, made-up, invented myth---CONCOCTED by Protestants which has absolutely "no basis of biblical of historical truth!!
Consequently--the word Catholic doesn't need to be in the Bible, just like the word Trinity, or the words "bible only" or even the word bible!! I gave you the lengthy Church History historical documented proof of the word Catholic! Do I need to post it again for you???---And by the way---the word "ecclesia" translated from the Greek means heirarchical, authoritative, visible (Church) which parallels the New Testament --in Acts 2, where Paul speaks to the Church in Antioch with Bishops, elders, priests and deacons as (again) authoritative, heirarchical and visible---which is the One True (Universal-Catholic) Church that Jesus intitated in Matthew 16:13-21 and has continued for over 2000 years.
Didn't Paul have to chastize PETER, the RCC idea of the 1st so called Bishop of Rome? What would happen today if say a priest were to chastize the Pope,LOL?
Pad

Fishers, IN

#418554 Jan 28, 2013
Regina,Christian women missionaries(non-Catholic) Doctor Helen Rosevear,worked in the Congo 40 years,started a medical school along with her clinic.When the Simbas(a beligerent leftist guerilla group) sought to take over the Congo,they harassed white missionaries relentlessly.Doctor Rosevear was assaulted along with a group of sisters from the "White Sisters of Africa." She stayed with them 6 months,as she and the sisters were forced to stay in the Convent,and endure ill treatment from the Simbas.

Doctor Rosevear told a group of students about that experience,I was there because I was one of the students.What God did for her and the sisters was astounding.

Mary Henderson was in her late 40s when she went to DaNang,Viet Nam as a Missionary.She was an English teacher,trained in England and South Wales.She taught a class of Vietnamese women English,and later was hired to teach the same in 4 different schools run by both the Vietnamese and the Chinese.

The young girls and boys in those schools would go to her home and study the Bible in simple English.The extent of her missionary career was not in the teaching of English,but what she opened her heart to while there,the Vietnamese and Chinese Buddhists.Her love and sweet spirit,opened the way to many hearts,not only children would respond but the parents,and grandparents became interested in what she was doing.

In DaNang 4 churches each with over 300 people were formed,and the ministers were men who went with their children to hear the Bible stories from Mary.Those individuals were converted from Buddhism,and went to be trained in a Vietnamese Bible college,and formed churches,which underwent persecution from the majority of Buddhists.Mary was unique in that she would spend hours helping people and their families when problems would arise.

I met Mary in Saigon,where she stayed until the fall of that city to the Communists.She died in South Wales years later,but what a woman! Her understanding of the Bible was in great tenderness.

Miss Bay(bye) had met the Lord in one of Mary's bible studies.She later went to a Bible College in the Philippines.The uniques story of Miss Bay was that she returned to Viet Nam after her education and worked with missionaries to preach to as many people s they could reach.Her English was superb,and she translated sermons from ministers while they preached in streets,halls,and even in large conference rooms of hospitals and so on.

The thing about her was that she had a gift of being able to draw many educated people to the Lord.Many famous and high ranking Vietnamese would attend the open air meetings in various cities,Miss Bay would explain the gospel to them in such a way,that they were moved to tears,and would seek God's forgiveness for their sins.She was known to be one of the most unique educated women to hold audiences spell bound as she talked about Christ,His life,Crucifixion and Resurrection from the dead.

Naturally I could go on with many more women,whose lives were consecrated to Him,joining in with so many believers to make disciples of all nations.

“YESHUA IS LORD”

Since: Apr 07

GAWGIA (GEORGIA)

#418555 Jan 28, 2013
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>The Muslims,Jehovah Witnesses,the Jews,the Hindus,the Budhists,the Bahais,the Oneness Pentecostals whoever else you want to prove to us, KNOW that Jesus is not God,all have one thing in common,they reject emphatically that Jesus is not God,He cannot be God because God was not BORN,there is no beginning with God.The Scriptures do not have any quotes from Jesus saying that He is G O D,and so on and so forth,wake me up when it is over will you?
Guest,I thought you believed in the Godhead,and that Jesus is the fulfillment of the Godhead? Why are you sharing the obvious why Jesus is not God videos?
By the way,the very fact that all those religions,especially Islam reject the Deity of Christ proves to me even moreso that Jesus is God the Son,and that the Father,the Son,and the Holy Spirit determined in their most holy sanctuary of Divine Essence that JESUS(Yeshua) would be the Incarnation of God,Emmanuel (God with us). It is the most spectacular and Holy Miracle of Divine Origin,which in all truth is beyond every human institution of understanding.God is Love,and that Divine Plan of GOD in Three Persons shows unequivocaly,in Christ the glory of the Father,in the power of the Holy Spirit.ONE GOD,forever, AMEN!
Soo. Didn't Thomas,one of the twelve referto Christ as my Lordand my GOD?

http://www.biblestudytools.com/kjva/john/20-2...

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#418557 Jan 28, 2013
Tony17 wrote:
<quoted text>
Didn't Paul have to chastize PETER, the RCC idea of the 1st so called Bishop of Rome? What would happen today if say a priest were to chastize the Pope,LOL?
How TRUE, Tony17...
Peter even denied Jesus three times, just as Jesus predicted he would. The romanists also crucified Peter... yet they still try to ram it down everyone's throat that 'Peter was their first pope'.
When we think logically, as obviously YOU are... the romanists also claim 'Jesus founded the romanist religion'... yet we know Jesus was a Jew. He would hardly have founded a romanist denomination!
As well, romanists claim Jesus started the romanist religion at the last supper... what nonsense.
But let's also look at Joan of Arc... she was branded a 'heretic' and burned at the stake for refusing to believe romanist lies, but later that same stupendous cult 'declared her a saint'!
Romanism is rife with idle talk and superstition, as well as lies, and its slaves hate it when we point out those lies. As Christians, we would never believe romanist tales; we believe CHRIST, and the Bible God gave us.

“YESHUA IS LORD”

Since: Apr 07

GAWGIA (GEORGIA)

#418558 Jan 28, 2013
So if Christ is not God then why do people in the scriptures worship Him? Isn't it wrong to worship anyone except God?
'

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#418559 Jan 28, 2013
Tony17 wrote:
I want to ask our Catholic brethren a question. You guys tend to think that Peter was the foundation upon whom Christ built His church. You call Peter "the rock" if you may. However if the leaders of the RCC make Peter the Rock upon whom Christ built His church, ther what does that make Christ?
In Epehsians 2:20 Christ is called the CHIEF cornerstone and if Christ is the Chief Cornerstone upon whom all the Apostles and Prophets are built then how can Peter be the rock upon whom the church is built?
Either the Bible is lying or the leaders of the RCC is lying. Guess who is telling you lies. Hint,it isn't the Bible. Those of you that believe that Peter instead of Christ is the foundation upon which the church is built had better stop listening to the RCC leaders and read EPHESIANS 2;20
RIGHT ON, Tony17.
Considering these romanists claim 'Jesus founded the romanist religion at the last supper, and created its eucharist'... Christians KNOW that to be a lie.
Jesus held the last supper to commemorate his impending death on the cross, and the Lord's Table is a memorial of that supper, and a remembrance of His atoning sacrifice.. THAT is believable, and we, as Christians, believe it.
For romanists to claim Jesus instituted the romanist cult, then by rights, Jesus would have been their first pope. But looking at history, all romanist popes have been elected by mere men, and that literally attempts to shove Jesus to the back burner.

Papal claims are that 'the pope will judge mankind, but he will be judged by no one'... but we Christians also know THAT to be a heretical, blasphemous lie. Jesus will judge us all, including every pope!
Their 'eucharist' is also a lie, knowing that one of their elected popes calling himself 'Innocent 111rd' invented that tale known as transubstantiation. He insisted all romanists slaves would believe it 'on pain of excommunication and death by burning as heretic'.
Christians know that Jesus did say,'This do in remembrance of me', and He spoke figuratively when He said the bread (wafer in romanist cases) was his body, and the wine was His blood. Romanists are too brainwashed to see that.

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#418560 Jan 28, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>We have the Eucharist. You don't.
There is no change in the elements of bread and wine at the Lord's Table. Therefore, transubstantiation does not exist, and the romanist claim TO it is a lie.

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#418561 Jan 28, 2013
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
Horse apples.
Catholic spelled with the first letter in lower case denotes universalism, according to dictionary definition. But that same word with the first letter in upper case denotes nothing more than romanism.
How many times need you be corrected on this, hoho?
You're so busy copy/pasting your same old same old, you have no time to actually LEARN anything.
But then, knowing you're a misled romanist slave, you CAN'T learn anything, can you? Your elected pope and his minions do all your thinking for you.

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#418563 Jan 28, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Then please offer me an alternative scenario.
First of all, thanks for the migraine prayers.
Did the Bible fall out of the sky printed and ready to go- promptly handed out to the folks by the Apostles?
Does your Bible tell you which books belong in it?
No.
How did the books come to fruition as the New Testament and combined with the OT?
God used men of all different walks of life to write the Bible. He did not simply 'use Catholics'!
And since all Scripture is God-breathed, HE would determine the order of the books themselves.
While it is true the RC denomination had the first printing press and was able to duplicate the Bible, the religion itself did not 'give us the bible' or 'decide what went into it'.
And you are most welcome for the prayers concerning your migraines. I hope you are feeling better soon.

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#418564 Jan 28, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
If someone went back in a time machine to 200 AD , 800 AD or any year before Protestants established 'denominations' they would quickly find out no one would know what the heck they are talking about when they say, "scripture alone, faith alone, born again, evangelical, denomination, etc..the list goes on.
There was only the Catholic Church.
Romanism IS nothing more than a DENOMINATION.
It is man-made as any other earthly religion.

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#418565 Jan 28, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Lol. no I'm not on any meds.
I don't really think people in cults follow the word of God either.
what I meant to say is, they THINK they are.
THAT is well put.
They THINK they do.... but you see, Clay -- the religion of Rome also thinks it follows God, but in reality, it does not.
It argues against what the Bible teaches.
It takes away from His Words, and also adds to them. It misquotes the Bible, in that it makes Mary an intercessor, co-redeemer, etc...it tries to make her into deity.
It cheats the Lord by insisting He created the RC denomination in the first place.
It lies about the Lord by insisting He is re-sacrificed over and over again in its 'mass'. The Bible CLEARLY states that our Lord Jesus died ONCE for all who believe on His perfect name. Romanism clearly denies that.
UNACCEPTABLE.
Give me the REAL JESUS and the Bible God gave us, any day.

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#418566 Jan 28, 2013
guest wrote:
<quoted text>
-
-
<quoted text>
-
-
I agree LTM.
-
The ideology propounded by Ratzinger, and all Catholics, is the same tired old stuff, repeated ad nauseam by Catholic leaders and Catholic followers.
-
Jesus' name was not even mentioned here by Ratzinger - I wonder if any of the Catholics here noticed that? and for Ratzinger to say that "Peter has *repeatedly* stood as The Rock" is nothing short of blasphemy.
-
Peter is DEAD and incapable of standing as the rock.
-
JESUS is NOT DEAD, but has been resurrected and sits at the right hand of the Father. JESUS is the ROCK the Christian Faith was built on. Not Peter.
AMEN, Brother. AMEN.

I decided to write this little poem to say:

Papists believe their church can save;
But it was Jesus whose life He gave.
Romanists depend on their elected pope,
But it's JESUS ALONE who gives us hope.
Popery is rife with false tall tails
But Jesus takes the wind from their sails.
'To belong to Rome' their pope says we must...
But I'll take Jesus, who is True and Just.
For Christ doesn't lie, and doesn't coerce
Like popery does, and what is worse
For torture and murder, I hold no respect;
And a 'wafer god' I'll never elect
For clinging to popery, its slaves will pay...
This Christian will take Jesus ANY day.
Clay

Melrose Park, IL

#418567 Jan 28, 2013
JUST-A-CHRISTIAN wrote:
<quoted text>
There is no change in the elements of bread and wine at the Lord's Table. Therefore, transubstantiation does not exist, and the romanist claim TO it is a lie.
Let me testify to the Eucharist.

If there was one Priest left in MN, and I had to walk ten miles barefoot in the snow to partake in the Eucharist, I would.
In fact, after Protestants slaughtered tens of thousands of Priests in Ireland in the 18th century, the Irish did something similar to that. They went in the middle of the night, to a secret place in the hills. The Priest was hidden from view so no one could identify him. He said Mass and the people snuck back home and the Priest would go anonymously with a family. He would stay in something called a 'Priest hole'. This is where he would hide til the next Mass. Anyone caught hiding a Priest or celebrating the Eucharist was arrested and killed. Google it if you think I'm lying.

We Catholics are in awe of the mystery of the Eucharist.
preston

Athens, OH

#418568 Jan 28, 2013
Tony17 wrote:
<quoted text>
You are not a Bible student are you? I can tell from some of your comments. If I were to take you on a deeper level in the scriptures and explain to you just what that chariot and whirlwind that took Elijah into heaven was it would blow your mind.
it doesnt take much expertise to know that am is a flake does it?
common sense was enough to know that one man couldnt carry that ark all of those miles by himself
preston

Athens, OH

#418569 Jan 28, 2013
Guest wrote:
<quoted text>Mathew 24
4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
I think the above scriptures would include Vietnam and put you in the catagory as a FALSE PROPHET !!!
LOL
I think your comment borders on ignorance and passes stupidity.

Gills exposition on the Bible.

And then if any man shall say to you,.... During those days of tribulation and affliction, or when shortened and at an end:

lo! here is Christ, or lo! he is there; the Messiah has appeared in such or in such a place, to deliver you from your national distresses and calamities, and from the Roman yoke and bondage:

that was a personal experience meant for me to validate my calling. you can like it or nt. God doesnt care.

and you use this often when i speak of my Spiritual Expereince, I would think by now, that you would have learned what those verses mean.
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#418570 Jan 28, 2013
Tony17 wrote:
That article you posted above about Ron Wyatts discovery of the Ark was interesting and actually sent chills through me when I read it. Then I remembered where I read in Revelation where it states that the Ark of the covenant was seen in heaven in the Temple. Therefore then Ron Wyatt is a liar and a fake if he claims that he found the Ark of the Covenant in 1982.
Can we see what happened to the bronze serpent that Moses made?

2 Kings 18:4

4 He removed the high places, smashed the sacred stones and cut down the Asherah poles. He broke into pieces the bronze snake Moses had made, for up to that time the Israelites had been burning incense to it.(It was called Nehushtan.

If the Ark of the Covenant did exist, then men would have a tendency to make idols out of the things in it or the actual Ark.

Would God want that???
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#418571 Jan 28, 2013
Tony17 wrote:
That article you posted above about Ron Wyatts discovery of the Ark was interesting and actually sent chills through me when I read it. Then I remembered where I read in Revelation where it states that the Ark of the covenant was seen in heaven in the Temple. Therefore then Ron Wyatt is a liar and a fake if he claims that he found the Ark of the Covenant in 1982.
Even though the Ark is not specifically mentioned, we are can see the articles of the temple of the Lord where returned to the Israelites when they returned from captivity.

Ezra 1:7

7 Moreover, King Cyrus brought out the articles belonging to the temple of the Lord, which Nebuchadnezzar had carried away from Jerusalem and had placed in the temple of his god.
preston

Athens, OH

#418572 Jan 28, 2013
preston wrote:
<quoted text>it doesnt take much expertise to know that am is a flake does it?
common sense was enough to know that one man couldnt carry that ark all of those miles by himself
for tony, maybe he can enlighten am who thought that elijah carried the Ark by himself.

What was the estimated weight of the ark of the covenant and the mercy seat?

Answer
The Bible says that the Ark was 2 1/2 cubits long, 1 cubit wide and 1 1/2 cubits high, and made from shittim wood, heavily overlaid with gold, with silver adornments. The mercy seat was said to have been 2 1/2 cubits long and 1 1/2 cubits wide, and made of pure gold (Exodus 25:17 "Mercy seat of pure gold" KJV), as were the two cherubim that surrounded it (Exodus 25:18 "two cherubim of gold, of beaten work" KJV). Since gold is roughly twice as heavy as lead, the structure would have weighed several tonnes.

another answer.
The Christian Bible and Jewish Torah describes the Ark as being COVERED all over with the purest gold, NOT MADE OF PURE GOLD. The Ark was, according to the Bible, made of shittah-tree wood (acacia). This can be all found spelled out very clearly in the book of Exodus 25:10-11. It would have been somewhat heavy and several bearers would have been required to carry it.

Some sources indicate that Egyptian gold, during Pharaohic times, was "pure" to a degree of up to 23K. Giving the craftsmen of the day the benefit of being able to purify to this degree gives a theoretical basis for relative gold weight. Sources also point out that taking the dimensions and design specifications that are laid out in Exodus, assuming a gold density of 1061 lbs (481.26Kg) per cubic foot, and a gold overlay method available to craftsmen of the day of 0.02cm, a total Ark weight of approximately 183lbs./83Kg can be ascertained. This is a very manageable weight for the bearers of the Ark to carry and far less than the weight of "tons" that has been suggested.

so take your pick, but one thing is obvious, it either would have been to heavy for one man to carry or it would still have been to bulky.

and so once again, tony's mentor show how ignorant that he is and always has been
preston

Athens, OH

#418573 Jan 28, 2013
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
Even though the Ark is not specifically mentioned, we are can see the articles of the temple of the Lord where returned to the Israelites when they returned from captivity.
Ezra 1:7
7 Moreover, King Cyrus brought out the articles belonging to the temple of the Lord, which Nebuchadnezzar had carried away from Jerusalem and had placed in the temple of his god.
do you notice that there is no mention of them being taken away nor brought back

Tell me when this thread is updated:

Subscribe Now Add to my Tracker

Add your comments below

Characters left: 4000

Please note by submitting this form you acknowledge that you have read the Terms of Service and the comment you are posting is in compliance with such terms. Be polite. Inappropriate posts may be removed by the moderator. Send us your feedback.

Pope Benedict XVI Discussions

Title Updated Last By Comments
News What Divides Catholics and Protestants? (Apr '08) 6 hr Jaimie 84,699
News United House of Prayer for All People: Bishop's... (Apr '08) Wed Apostolic of anot... 10,545
News How the war-of-words between Trump and Pope Fra... Tue WhollyConcrete 8
News President Trump to meet with Pope Francis Tue Rico from East Lo... 4
News Muslim Americans Have Some Advice For Trump On ... May 21 Jay Em 7
News Pope Francis says 2,000 sex abuse cases backlog... May 17 hamlet 6
News Pope to canonize 2 Fatima children a century af... May 14 South Knox Hombre 9
More from around the web