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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 603026 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Anthony MN

Saint Paul, MN

#418246 Jan 26, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
Passages misused in supporting Sola Scriptura
In the attempt to "prove" Sola Scriptura some passages are given a meaning they simply don't have.
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.(2 Timothy 3:16)
This verse doesn't say anything about "only scripture."
http://www.northforest.org/ProtestantErrors/S...
ONLY THE DEVIL TRIES TO BELITTLE THE WORD OF GOD. REMEMBER THAT CLAY
Nice picture of your grandson Preston.

2 Tim. 3:14 - Protestants usually use 2 Tim. 3:16-17 to prove that the Bible is the sole authority of God's word. But examining these texts disproves their claim. Here, Paul appeals to apostolic tradition right before the Protestants' often quoted verse 2 Tim. 3:16-17. Thus, there is an appeal to tradition before there is an appeal to the Scriptures, and Protestants generally ignore this fact.

2 Tim. 3:15 - Paul then appeals to the sacred writings of Scripture referring to the Old Testament Scriptures with which Timothy was raised (not the New Testament which was not even compiled at the time of Paul's teaching). This verse also proves that one can come to faith in Jesus Christ without the New Testament.

2 Tim. 3:16 - this verse says that Scripture is "profitable" for every good work, but not exclusive. The word "profitable" is "ophelimos" in Greek. "Ophelimos" only means useful, which underscores that Scripture is not mandatory or exclusive. Protestants unbiblically argue that profitable means exclusive.

2 Tim. 3:16 - further, the verse "all Scripture" uses the words "pasa graphe" which actually means every (not all) Scripture. This means every passage of Scripture is useful. Thus, the erroneous Protestant reading of "pasa graphe" would mean every single passage of Scripture is exclusive. This would mean Christians could not only use "sola Matthew," or "sola Mark," but could rely on one single verse from a Gospel as the exclusive authority of God's word. This, of course, is not true and even Protestants would agree. Also, "pasa graphe" cannot mean "all of Scripture" because there was no New Testament canon to which Paul could have been referring, unless Protestants argue that the New Testament is not being included by Paul.

2 Tim. 3:16 - also, these inspired Old Testament Scriptures Paul is referring to included the deuterocanonical books which the Protestants removed from the Bible 1,500 years later.

2 Tim. 3:17 - Paul's reference to the "man of God" who may be complete refers to a clergyman, not a layman. It is an instruction to a bishop of the Church. So, although Protestants use it to prove their case, the passage is not even relevant to most of the faithful.

2 Tim. 3:17 - further, Paul's use of the word "complete" for every good work is "artios" which simply means the clergy is "suitable" or "fit." Also, artios does not describe the Scriptures, it describes the clergyman. So, Protestants cannot use this verse to argue the Scriptures are complete.

http://www.scripturecatholic.com/
Anthony MN

Saint Paul, MN

#418248 Jan 26, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>excuse me clay, but let me interject into this convdersation.
your church says that "sola scripture" is invalid, so lets see you and/or them PROVE IT!
Jesus tells us to live by of every Word that Proceeded out of His Mouth.
that is Scripture and your church has no Authority over jesus, It is supposed to be the other Way around, isnt it?
here is some marlakey(and it cant be called anything but that)to try and refute SS.
Passages misused in supporting Sola Scriptura
In the attempt to "prove" Sola Scriptura some passages are given a meaning they simply don't have.
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.(2 Timothy 3:16)
This verse doesn't say anything about "only scripture."
THIS IS ABOUT AS STUPID AS STUPID CAN GET.LOL.
LOOK AT THE BEGINNING OF THAT bIBLE VERSE. IT SAYS [ALL].
SO JUST WHAT ELSE ARE CHRISTIAN SUPPOSED TO FOLLOW? IF NOT, THE WORD?
FOR IT IS WRITTEN; THE WORD WAS WITH GOD AND THE [WORD] WAS GOD.
as for me, along with Abraham, who heard the Word and journeyed to a far of land, i am going to follow the Scriptures[Word] and some day enter into that land of Canaan, which is my final rest.
but people like you, clay, can mock all you wish concerning those who follow the [Word] completely, if that is what you desire.
there is nothing on this Earth that has been given, that sets equally with the Bible.NOTHING!!!
"SO JUST WHAT ELSE ARE CHRISTIAN SUPPOSED TO FOLLOW? IF NOT, THE WORD?"

The problem with allowing anybody to read and interpret the bible on their own without guidance is obvoius when one sees people like Oxbow run around leading people astray.

You believe you are an authority on scripture. But if sola scriptura is your belief and therefore private interpretation, you have no right or authority to tell anyone else (who also testify that they have the same calling by God as you do), that their interpretation is wrong.
Anthony MN

Saint Paul, MN

#418249 Jan 26, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>lol.
If you really want to know what I think on this, then look up what the Catholic Church authoritatively teaches on it.
THAT IS LIKE SOME BROWBEATEN POOR EXCUSE FOR A HUSBAND TO SAY.
YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT I THINK? ASK MY WIFE!!!!
sorry to all wives, but as soon as I read his reply, that came to mind.lol.
but hey, dont worry about it clay, Dust Storm will come on and tell us what you think.
Do you not believe you are an authority on scripture? Do people think they're browbeaten when they ask for your help with scripture?
Clay

United States

#418250 Jan 26, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>excuse me clay, but let me interject into this convdersation.
your church says that "sola scripture" is invalid, so lets see you and/or them PROVE IT!
Jesus tells us to live by of every Word that Proceeded out of His Mouth.
that is Scripture and your church has no Authority over jesus, It is supposed to be the other Way around, isnt it?
here is some marlakey(and it cant be called anything but that)to try and refute SS.
Passages misused in supporting Sola Scriptura
In the attempt to "prove" Sola Scriptura some passages are given a meaning they simply don't have.
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.(2 Timothy 3:16)
This verse doesn't say anything about "only scripture."
THIS IS ABOUT AS STUPID AS STUPID CAN GET.LOL.
LOOK AT THE BEGINNING OF THAT bIBLE VERSE. IT SAYS [ALL].
SO JUST WHAT ELSE ARE CHRISTIAN SUPPOSED TO FOLLOW? IF NOT, THE WORD?
FOR IT IS WRITTEN; THE WORD WAS WITH GOD AND THE [WORD] WAS GOD.
as for me, along with Abraham, who heard the Word and journeyed to a far of land, i am going to follow the Scriptures[Word] and some day enter into that land of Canaan, which is my final rest.
but people like you, clay, can mock all you wish concerning those who follow the [Word] completely, if that is what you desire.
there is nothing on this Earth that has been given, that sets equally with the Bible.NOTHING!!!
No Preston, its on you guys to prove sola scripture. Protestants added this teaching a few hundred yrs ago. It wasn't taught prior in all of Christianity since 33 AD.
When Jesus said to "live by every word that proceeded from his mouth" this would include things not written down.
Pad

Rockford, IL

#418251 Jan 26, 2013
ReginaM wrote:
The Audacity of Pope
I used to believe that the Protestants had a more humble, God-honoring approach, and that the Catholics had an indefensibly high view of the human element within the Church. Things like the succession of the apostolate, the authority of the Church, the so-called “infallibility” of the pope – all of this stuff seemed to me to form a borderline blasphemous package that vaunted and exalted mere human beings at the expense of Christ and His work.
Yet in time, although I saw my previous perspective as eminently understandable, it became clear that it had been an understandable misunderstanding; a misunderstanding that had the peculiar effect of causing me to see things upside down. What I came to recognize, in other words, was that the Catholic position was in actuality the much more humble of the two. Indeed, it was downright self-effacing. For the Catholic position, paradoxically, was that it is precisely because mere men can claim no genuine spiritual authority that the successors of the apostles could claim it; and, in particular, it is precisely because no man can possibly be infallible that the bishop of Rome had to be.
http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2012/08/the-...
I read much of what your article here is part of,interesting,and you know under different circunstances of what has resulted in the formation of your Roman Catholicism,we all as Christians are deep down wanting Communion between all of like mind in Christ.

That has already been achieved in the Spirit,we cannot as sinful beings unite ourselves in the Spirit,without a transformation of our own ambitions and desires in Christ.

Jesus first also promised His Disciples:"Nevertheless, I tell you the truth: it is to your a d v a t a g e that I go away, for if I do not go away, the Helper(Comforter) will not come to you. But if I go, I will send Him to you."
JOHN 16:7.

But again Regina we have a dilemna which has been the main source of separation between all Christians in this physical realm.Paul the Apostle brings it out somewhat in this verse from Romans 7:"Who will free me from this life that is dominated by S I N and death? Thank God! The anser is in Jesus Christ our Lord. So you see how it is: In my mind I really want to obey God's law but because of my sinful nature I am a slave to sin."(Romans 7:25).

It takes T I M E for good fruit to cultivate in a believer,and that complicates the unity of the overall assembly of the righteous,in that we all face the same challenges in dealing with the flesh and the spirit within us all.

AND that has a great deal to do with the whole C h u r c h,every facet of it.

I have not been in a Protestant church that does not teach the gospel,the morals of life,the direction of the Holy Spirit and the confirmation of the Word of God in regards to the Guiding and direction of the Holy Spirit,so that is what unifies us all in the basic teachings of Scripture,and the work of the Spirit in the life of a believer.

The infallibility of the Word,is that Christ died,Christ Rose, and Christ will come again for His own.We all teach this,and some with more clarity than others.

Fruit does not magically appear but rather it is grown and cultivated over time. Fruit is how we measure spirituality.Not trying harder but cultivating the fruit of the Holy Spirit.Now that can be applied to the Corporate extent of the Body of Christ.It is first to the individual believer than it is corporately.Continued:

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#418252 Jan 26, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
"SO JUST WHAT ELSE ARE CHRISTIAN SUPPOSED TO FOLLOW? IF NOT, THE WORD?"
The problem with allowing anybody to read and interpret the bible on their own without guidance is obvoius when one sees people like Oxbow run around leading people astray.
You believe you are an authority on scripture. But if sola scriptura is your belief and therefore private interpretation, you have no right or authority to tell anyone else (who also testify that they have the same calling by God as you do), that their interpretation is wrong.
sorry, but you are really mistaken. the Bible is our ONLY authority, not me, nor anyone else.

however when I make a point(unlike clay) i reinforce my opine with what is written in the Bible.

then when a person disagees, they are disagreeeing with God, not me.

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#418253 Jan 26, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
No Preston, its on you guys to prove sola scripture. Protestants added this teaching a few hundred yrs ago. It wasn't taught prior in all of Christianity since 33 AD.
When Jesus said to "live by every word that proceeded from his mouth" this would include things not written down.
sorry, but I dont have the liability to disprove your false theology of [sola scripture] not being scriptual.

that statement is rediculous, to say the least that it isnt Scriptual.

the bottom line is this, how can you Clay, say that you have to lead your life by something that Jesus said 2,000 years ago, yet you dont even know what it is, since it wasnt written down.

see how rediculous that is to people with some knowledge and ability to THINK for themselves, unlike your response to oxbow, in which you basically said, yeah, i know what I think, let me look it up from a catholic apologist magazine, and I will tell you.

and so the bottom line is this clay et al, you risk your soul for something not written down and mock those of us who choose to listen to His Word and follow IT!

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#418254 Jan 26, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
No Preston, its on you guys to prove sola scripture. Protestants added this teaching a few hundred yrs ago. It wasn't taught prior in all of Christianity since 33 AD.
When Jesus said to "live by every word that proceeded from his mouth" this would include things not written down.
for some reason, Luke the Author of Two of the Gospels doesnt agree with you and false theology.

Inasmuch as many have undertaken to compile an account of the things accomplished among us, just as they were handed down to us by those who from the beginning were eyewitnesses and servants of the word, it seemed fitting for me as well, having investigated everything carefully from the beginning,[[[to write it out for you in consecutive order, most excellent Theophilus; so that you may know the exact truth about the things you have been taught." Luke 1:1-4]]].

to write it out for you.

so you may know the exact truth.

not one mention of you ,clay ,to need anything else but what is written so YOU may know the exact truth.

but I really dont beleive that you will accept that for one simple reason.

IT IS SOLA SCRIPTURE AND STANDS ON ITS OWN, UNLIKE WHAT YOUR CHURCH WISHES TO DISCLAIM.
Anthony MN

Saint Paul, MN

#418255 Jan 26, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>sorry, but you are really mistaken. the Bible is our ONLY authority, not me, nor anyone else.
however when I make a point(unlike clay) i reinforce my opine with what is written in the Bible.
then when a person disagees, they are disagreeeing with God, not me.
No. The bible is an authority, but it cannot be the ONLY authority because we MUST get it right. And if two people who claim to be led by the Holy Spirit have contradictory 'biblical' positions, we MUST be able to tell who's right. If Clay uses the bible only and you use the bible only, it's a stalemate.

Jesus NEVER intended for us to be left in a stalemate. He founded a Church with authority (keys, bind and loose, etc.).
Clay

United States

#418256 Jan 26, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>lol.
If you really want to know what I think on this, then look up what the Catholic Church authoritatively teaches on it.
THAT IS LIKE SOME BROWBEATEN POOR EXCUSE FOR A HUSBAND TO SAY.
YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT I THINK? ASK MY WIFE!!!!
sorry to all wives, but as soon as I read his reply, that came to mind.lol.
but hey, dont worry about it clay, Dust Storm will come on and tell us what you think.
wow, talk about hypocrisy!
Aren't you the fella who claims Jesus spoke to him and told you to preach the Gospel? Your Grandpa died; spoke to God and came back to Earth with a message for you... You said you had a unique experience, therefore we all should listen to YOU?

You want people to consider you an authority on sacred scripture, so don't mock me for seeking what I consider the authority: The teaching Magistrium of the Holy Catholic Church.
Anthony MN

Saint Paul, MN

#418257 Jan 26, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>for some reason, Luke the Author of Two of the Gospels doesnt agree with you and false theology.
Inasmuch as many have undertaken to compile an account of the things accomplished among us, just as they were handed down to us by those who from the beginning were eyewitnesses and servants of the word, it seemed fitting for me as well, having investigated everything carefully from the beginning,[[[to write it out for you in consecutive order, most excellent Theophilus; so that you may know the exact truth about the things you have been taught." Luke 1:1-4]]].
to write it out for you.
so you may know the exact truth.
not one mention of you ,clay ,to need anything else but what is written so YOU may know the exact truth.
but I really dont beleive that you will accept that for one simple reason.
IT IS SOLA SCRIPTURE AND STANDS ON ITS OWN, UNLIKE WHAT YOUR CHURCH WISHES TO DISCLAIM.
Douay
"...that you may know the verity of those words in which you have been instructed."

"Official" KJV

"...That thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed."

There is NO word "exact".

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#418258 Jan 26, 2013
Matthew 4:1-11. Three times Jesus was tempted by the Devil and each time Jesus replied exactly the same three dangerous words that defeated the Devil: "IT IS WRITTEN" Read it for yourself!

AND AT NO TIME DID jESUS STOP AND SAY TO THE devil, LET ME GO BACK AND READ WHAT THE RCC SAYS ABOUT THIS[AS CLAY JUST DID] SO I CAN USE SOME ORAL TRADITION AGAINST YOU.

No, he said; it is written;
Clay

United States

#418259 Jan 26, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>for some reason, Luke the Author of Two of the Gospels doesnt agree with you and false theology.
Inasmuch as many have undertaken to compile an account of the things accomplished among us, just as they were handed down to us by those who from the beginning were eyewitnesses and servants of the word, it seemed fitting for me as well, having investigated everything carefully from the beginning,[[[to write it out for you in consecutive order, most excellent Theophilus; so that you may know the exact truth about the things you have been taught." Luke 1:1-4]]].
to write it out for you.
so you may know the exact truth.
not one mention of you ,clay ,to need anything else but what is written so YOU may know the exact truth.
but I really dont beleive that you will accept that for one simple reason.
IT IS SOLA SCRIPTURE AND STANDS ON ITS OWN, UNLIKE WHAT YOUR CHURCH WISHES TO DISCLAIM.
Well, my personal testimony is, I wasn't led to Christ because I read something.
Put me in the group of billions that were led to Christ WITHOUT a Bible.(or I should say,'without a personal printed family Bible)

In fact, the Catholic Church is unique from all of you, because they didn't read about Jesus, then form a Church. They didn't read Matthew 16:18, then establish a Pope. They didn't read the Gospel of John and 1Cor and establish the Eucharist..
These things were in place for hundreds of yrs, THEN they put together a Bible.
I know you know this. But if you still want to argue it...could you please tell me how you think the Bible came to be? Why were the books put into the Bible and by whom and when??
Pad

Rockford, IL

#418260 Jan 26, 2013
Regina, the Audacity of the Pope: continued.........The Apostle Peter writes in his first epistle chapter 2:
verse2"As newborn babes d e s i r e the sincere Milk of the w o r d, that you may grow thereby:
3 "If so be you have tasted that the Lord is gracious.
4 "To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men,but chosen of God and precious.
5 "You also, as lively S T O N E S, are built up a Spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ."
verse 8 "AND a s t o n e of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.
9 "BUT you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a PECULIAR, people; that you should s h o w forth the praises of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvellous light." 1Peter 2

VERSE 10"WHICH in time p a s t were not a people, but are now the people of God; which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.
11"Dearly beloved, I beseech you as strangers and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul:"

It is a constant reminder that the Church no matter what age or time period struggled with the flesh and the spirit,it was in the individuals and it was in the church corporately.Those things determined the outcome of how believers survived to either continu the existance of the Body or congregation,or to lose it.Persecution was bad enough to contend with,but infighting always threatened the unity of the believers.

Jesus was that stone of stumbling for the House of Israel,and He in effect is the same to all humanbeings,even though we may be believers.Our unity only is in the Perfect life of Christ,in and when He is manifested through the Holy Spirit who guides us,and is in us.

we are a peculiar people,I mean every believer no matter what the affiliation.We all base our faith on Christ,and what He did,in both His life and DEATH,and the Father raised Him from the grave,Later He ascended into heaven,and we all long for His Return.

How basic and unified are we when we trust in those truths that include the very life,teachings,sufferings,cruc ifixion,death,Resurrection and Soon coming of our Lord?For one day is as a thousand years to the Lord.

PECULIAR- distincly strange or unusual, belonging exclusively to some p e r s o n, group or thing. Distinguished in nature or character from others.
Synonyms-bizzare,eccentric,odd , u n i q u e.).

Do I agree that we need unity? of course,but only in the Spirit.He alone knows what is of Christ in us and what is not.It is true individually,and corporately.

I have learned as a believer to live in this walk without the things you Catholics so treasure.I think you know what I mean,it really does not pay to expound on those things all the time.Statues-beads,the veneration of Mary,liturgy,the titles of Holy Father for the Pope,the politics of the RCC,past and present.

All of these things have no contribution to my faith in Christ,and to Know Him is to Love Him.Those things I mentioned have no bearing on the life I have learned to live from the Scriptures,and that never tires,it is sometimes as fresh as when it all first began in my life.

We are cultivating even as we post here,the fruit of the Spirit has to overcome those fruits of darkness that we so long harbored in our lives,even before we MEET with Christ,and allow His change in us.

It is sad that we all are divided,but all yet claim to be from the same Lord Jesus Christ.But what is more important that we main steadfast in loving Him,no matter that we as brothers and sisters strongly disagree on how to worship,and serve Him best.

Those things which divide us also are stumbling blocks,but we can still care and love one another,that is the main ingredient to serving Christ that we love one another. You say it is hate that consumes many of us:cont.

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#418261 Jan 26, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
wow, talk about hypocrisy!
Aren't you the fella who claims Jesus spoke to him and told you to preach the Gospel? Your Grandpa died; spoke to God and came back to Earth with a message for you... You said you had a unique experience, therefore we all should listen to YOU?
You want people to consider you an authority on sacred scripture, so don't mock me for seeking what I consider the authority: The teaching Magistrium of the Holy Catholic Church.
No, clay, the hypocrisy came from YOU.

I havent ever asked you to believe me in anything, which is why I use the Bible to prove my point. which you didnt when you said you had an opinion, yet you couldnt give it.

If I have an opinion, I dont need to go back to some magazine nor some church doctrine and theology to give it to you. I do realize that I am more astute than many on here when it comes to what the Bible says and what it teaches.and my experiences [validate] my calling, just as Paul gave his experiences, when he first came into a new place to preach the Gospel, therefore validating his Calling.

and I do realize that as people mocked Paul, people will mock me, goes with the territory, but that doesnt take away from the gospel Message
Anthony MN

Saint Paul, MN

#418262 Jan 26, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
Matthew 4:1-11. Three times Jesus was tempted by the Devil and each time Jesus replied exactly the same three dangerous words that defeated the Devil: "IT IS WRITTEN" Read it for yourself!
AND AT NO TIME DID jESUS STOP AND SAY TO THE devil, LET ME GO BACK AND READ WHAT THE RCC SAYS ABOUT THIS[AS CLAY JUST DID] SO I CAN USE SOME ORAL TRADITION AGAINST YOU.
No, he said; it is written;
Jesus relied on oral tradition as well, not just written.
Clay

United States

#418263 Jan 26, 2013
I never bother Protestants who wish to live by Scripture alone and try to be the best Christian possible. Do I think they are missing out? Yeah. They are looking at the menu without partaking in the meal. But that is their choice.

However, when they step up and claim to be an authority on these Books and tell me I'm not saved and going to hell, I will matter -of -factly tell them their errors. Go in your room; read the Bible and pray.
And remember, those verses you ponder were already infallibly taught once. They were revealed. You will not offer a new revelation on Sacred Scriptures.
Clay

United States

#418264 Jan 26, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>No, clay, the hypocrisy came from YOU.
I havent ever asked you to believe me in anything, which is why I use the Bible to prove my point. which you didnt when you said you had an opinion, yet you couldnt give it.
If I have an opinion, I dont need to go back to some magazine nor some church doctrine and theology to give it to you. I do realize that I am more astute than many on here when it comes to what the Bible says and what it teaches.and my experiences [validate] my calling, just as Paul gave his experiences, when he first came into a new place to preach the Gospel, therefore validating his Calling.
and I do realize that as people mocked Paul, people will mock me, goes with the territory, but that doesnt take away from the gospel Message
I'm not mocking you. I'm defending my faith.
You consider me not saved. I'm going to hell by my own choosing to stay in the Catholic Church. Right?
Well, I will kindly point out your false assumptions about Catholicism to the best of my ability.
Pad

Rockford, IL

#418265 Jan 26, 2013
Regina continued:I see many things about Roman Catholicism that continues to divide the Body.It is very hard for evangelicals especially to forsake the original commandments by forcing a unity with Roman Catholicism,in regards to the houses of worship and the use of images and so on.Those protestants who seek to be RC may have no problem with certain things,but eventually will have problems with the lack of real fellowship,that creates a greater bond with individual believers.

I do not personally have a problem with the RC Liturgy,and of course I respect it.But to me than that is all there is,because you have to seek out those who have been converted as you say.

We who are not RC receive the truth of the Liturgy through the preaching of the Word,and I will not argue whether or not that is the case in your estimation,although you can comment on that if you want. But truth and the exposition of such in preaching and teaching brings out the Liturgy of what you hear at Mass. Of course I know that Communion is different.

What you think we may lack,is what many fail to see in the very act of being present to HEAR and receive of what is true,noble,of good report,and holy in the Body of Christ.

Spiritual life is strong in our circles,and we know that we must receive first in order to be nurtured to a positive end.IT takes much time to cultivate,and we all as followers of Christ must be first confronted with the awesomeness of the WORD itself,before the Spirit of life can effectively give to us the understanding we need to believe,live and later to die for Him as well.

Serving Christ is part of every aspect of becoming believers.That is the DOERS of the Word,as James teaches,not just hearers.

That uniqueness in Christ that we all have does set apart all who follow Him.We grow in that grace and knowledge of what sets us apart. We are not of this w o r l d,and that has to be seen in how we deal with sin,not how we look.

Unity can only be a spiritual understanding of what connects us to begin with.If we look at our ways of conducting services,or the mass,we will rebel from the notion that we are ONE in Christ.But if we see Him in us,than in fact we are ONE in Christ,and the truth of His Word and Prayer to His Father is fulfilled.

Many may see that we have to be under one title of Christian faith,but if we really open our eyes of understanding,we realize that our UNITY is spiritually motivated by the Spirit in Christ.

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#418266 Jan 26, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
No Preston, its on you guys to prove sola scripture. Protestants added this teaching a few hundred yrs ago. It wasn't taught prior in all of Christianity since 33 AD.
When Jesus said to "live by every word that proceeded from his mouth" this would include things not written down.
sorry but clay, you got things backwards, the early church always taught [sola scripture] and your church disagreed with [sola scripture] in the 16th century and they brought forth their own false thelogy equating oral traditon on a par with the bible.

Part of the reason for this is based on the findings of the Council of Trent that was held in the mid 16th Century. The Catholic Encyclopedia reports:

The Council, as is evident, held that there are Divine traditions not contained in Holy Scripture, revelations made to the Apostles either orally by Jesus Christ or by the inspiration of the Holy Ghost and transmitted by the Apostles to the Church. Holy Scripture is therefore not the only theological source of the Revelation made by God to His Church. Side by side with Scripture there is tradition, side by side with the written revelation there is the oral revelation.
http://www.cogwriter.com/tradition.htm

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