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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 599645 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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ReginaM

Jackson, NJ

#417924 Jan 24, 2013
LTM wrote:
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Sharlayne, I don't I posted that; then Posted what the bible truly says .:)
Well, well, well, look who's here...LTM the murderer.
Pad

Rockford, IL

#417925 Jan 24, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
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"Joining the RCC does not make you anymore better a believer than watching Martial Arts on TV makes you a practitioner of Martial Combative Arts."
Being able to partake of the Bread of Life and the Cup of Salvation is reason enough for most converts.
REMEMBERING and partaking of the elements of the bread and the wine(juice) is sufficient for millions of believers,and does not take one iota of holiness away from what Christ suffered.It is semantics we squabble over,because Christ cannot be divided into whether He is in a piece of bread or a cup of wine,but that His sacrifice was sufficent enough for our salvation.The real debate is in the sacrifice,because we are called to believe it,for our salvation.The Elements are for the believer to partake and remember what Christ did.There is no proof whatsoever Anthony that you partaking of the REal Presence makes you a better believer than a non-Catholic Christian who partakes of his or her communion.Christ is not divided,and that is the real issue here.

ROMAN Catholics talk about being fulfilled,when a changed life is the epitome of fulfillment in Him who DOES it."Faithful is He who calls you who also will do it."Thessalonians.I know Catholics who partake of the Eucharst weekly yet they are not walking with Christ,are often very liberal,and mock other Christians,I have seen it. What did they take in their bodies?

What is more powerful is that one walks in Christ experiences His transforming power and remembers the death of the Lord and walks in holiness.

You are fulfilled in being Roman Catholic,I am fulfilled in Christ,is that what we have to say to each other?Is that really what it boils down to?
LTM

Sudbury, Canada

#417927 Jan 24, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
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And what I said to LTM goes for you too. Any chump who buys into the fraud Benny Hinn shouldn't be allowed to teach Sunday school to 5 year olds.
Anthony, let me get one thing straight with you ok.
First I am not a fan of Benny Hinn,He has a brother who came here to Sudbury and appeared at the Grand Theater, I left don't very impressed with him.
I have gone to prayer meetings of other preachers, when I went up for prayers, I wasn't expecting it but the preacher came at me and sort of hit me on the forehead and pushed me down some stairs.
I was not as they say slayed in the spirit.
I do not watch T.V. teachers although there is one I like very much. he is small time, and preaches straight from the Bible.
I have gone to many churches and prayer meetings over the years, 2 of them I remember very much and they were both black preachers.
One preached from a store front, he wrote the song "RUN TERRY RUN".
The other man was from, a place if you even looked like you are thinking Jesus they would kill you right away.
Not once did they put their Bibles down, Gods presents was every where Anthony, They preached Jesus, the Power of God, and the freedom in the Joy of knowing who Christ is . Not once did they ask for money or donations.
They were offered a place to sleep and a plate at the guest table that was their payment.
There were no envelopes passed around, no offering plates.
They were not adore in robes of gold , fancy suits chains of gold around there necks, or a 35 credit ring on their fingers.
They had no big fancy church to go back to, just a small following of men who travelled with them.
I didn't want to leave, I was sorry when the meetings were over.
They past through and on to another place.
Gods word is a live Anthony, what a man preshes should always match up with the Bible, if it doesn't its false teaching.
When a person who is born again, Baptism in the Holy Spirit, you know when you are getting solid teaching from a man who is anointed by God , and when they are not.
LTM

Sudbury, Canada

#417928 Jan 24, 2013
ReginaM wrote:
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Well, well, well, look who's here...LTM the murderer.
Well Well Well, Regina, who did I murder.
That is a pretty strong charge against me.

I will not play the name calling game with you Regina grow up.
ReginaM

Jackson, NJ

#417929 Jan 24, 2013
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>Take away your statues,rosary beads,and apparitions of Mary,priests who alone can consecrate the Communion supper which( ALL believers practice ),plenary indulgenses,scapulars giving false hope to those who wear it,the Roman Curia and Papacy,and WHAT ever else that is not biblical,and maybe we will become ROMAN Catholics.
By the way all Christians were Catholic(universal) believers,before the ROMAN infiltration that politicized the Christian faith.No doubt many great and marvelous teachers and people lived under the auspices of Roman Catholicism,but it is not the Lord Jesus' only true church."To live is Christ,to die is gain".We need Him alone,and,He is the proof that HE alone is able to sustain us and to be with us against that day. You can have your church,and call it all you like,but when you stand on your mountain and proclaim you are the only true,holy,CAtholic, and Apostolic,you are stating to all Christians that Christ is not sufficient for them,and they need your church to be truly identified in Him.That is not true,not Scriptural,and is a LIE from Satan.
When the Church adheres to these words in faith, she is not being triumphalistic but humbly recognizing in wonder and thanksgiving the victory of God over and through human weakness. Whoever deprives these words of their force for fear of triumphalism or of human usurpation of authority does not proclaim that God is greater but diminishes him, since God demonstrates the power of his love, and thus remains faithful to the law of the history of salvation, precisely in the paradox of human impotence. For with the same realism with which we declare today the sins of the popes and their disproportion to the magnitude of their commission, we must also acknowledge that Peter has repeatedly stood as the rock against ideologies, against the dissolution of the word into the plausibilities of a given time, against subjection to the powers of this world.

When we see this in the facts of history, we are not celebrating men but praising the Lord, who does not abandon the Church and who desired to manifest that he is the rock through Peter, the little stumbling stone:“flesh and blood” do not save, but the Lord saves through those who are of flesh and blood. To deny this truth is not a plus of faith, not a plus of humility, but is to shrink from the humility that recognizes God as he is. Therefore the Petrine promise and its historical embodiment in Rome remain at the deepest level an ever-renewed motive for joy: the powers of hell will not prevail against it …4

4. Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, Called to Communion: Understanding the Church Today, Ignatius Press (1996): 61-65, 72-74.

http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2012/08/the-...
ReginaM

Jackson, NJ

#417930 Jan 24, 2013
LTM wrote:
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Well Well Well, Regina, who did I murder.
That is a pretty strong charge against me.
I will not play the name calling game with you Regina grow up.
Who are you kidding? You call names on here every single day.
It's you who needs to grow up.

So how many Catholics have you murdered so far today?
Pad

Rockford, IL

#417931 Jan 24, 2013
Clay wrote:
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He was a Minister at Trinity Presbyterian Church in Fairfax, VA
Are you saying this Church questioned the Trinity??
Scott Hahn and his wife Kimberly claim they were former EVANGELICAL Presbyterians.
The term evangelical is used to describe a narrow approach to serving Christ.But to many it simply means that to express the message of the Gospel.

Evangelicals adhere to the Bible and the experience of being born-Again. All Presbyterian institutions cover both the liberal and conservative end of their profession of faith.Presbyterians by nature are more liberal,because they base their theology on what John Calvin taught.Calvinism in teaching selection and predestination has caused many who follow to wonder whether they themselves in fact are truly saved.It is a fallacy of theology to believe anything Calvin taught on Predestination,and the security of only those chosen for salvation.

I am not surprised that Marcus Grodi and Scott Hahn converted to Catholicism.

When you hear their testimonies and when they expound,they often separate the evangelical from their own Presbyterian theology they came out of.

So they became Catholics? What is wrong with that right? But they both act as though they previously were great protestants and link all of non-Catholic Christianity with their Presbyterian roots.Presbyterians often mix all of what they learn and come up with their own bent on Christian philosophy and so on.But they are rooted in the elitism of pre-selection,and that is a deep error within their theology.

There are times I can stomach Marcus Grodi,and there are times when he turns my stomach.But than I realize he was a presbyterian for a whole life time,and that is what he came out of,not evangelical Christian faith.I do watch JOURNEY HOME as often as I can.Same old Catholic rhetoric,many prots who convert need to be part of the winning team as they see it,a team that has been around a long time,Catholicism has become so,as for the most part presbyterians,methodists,angli cans and congregationalists and reformers are not winning teams any longer.
LTM

Sudbury, Canada

#417932 Jan 24, 2013
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>And that is true of the Apostles in the first century,they turned the world upside down,we know that being changed by the LORD through His Son,and in the power of the Holy Spirit,makes that difference that we can turn the world upside down as well.Christians are suffering for the Lord in many countries,martyrs are being sent to the Lord daily,and the countries where Christians suffer persecution are going through upheavals.The Christians are salt and light,we are making a difference.
I like what Preston posted that you responded to,it is about conversion,and not to a church,but to HIM who died at Calvary.The church is the creation,not the CREATOR!
Thank you for your post Pad, and you are so right on.

"The church is the creation,not the CREATOR!"

We are not to sing praise to a denomination or boost their doctrine, we are to sing praise to God, and boost the works of our Lord.
I totally believe what ever denomination a person sits in there is a realm of Gods True Church, born and taught by the Holy Spirit who leads us to all truths.
LTM

Sudbury, Canada

#417933 Jan 24, 2013
ReginaM wrote:
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Who are you kidding? You call names on here every single day.
It's you who needs to grow up.
So how many Catholics have you murdered so far today?
Regina, if you say I have, and believe it to be true please show me so I can apologize to that person.
Name calling and swearing at people is something I am totally against.
but we all have Our moments don't we.

Since: Nov 08

usa

#417934 Jan 24, 2013
Clay wrote:
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I don't have video of Ignatius being led to the Lions by the Roman Emperor or Clement being thrown into the ocean tied to an anchor...
What proof do you want?
unfortunately for iggy,he was around when feeding christians was ok with people,and clements story i'm not to familiar with except an emporer named trajan got mad at him for trying to convert people i believe so he got rid of him.interesting discovery,in the first century the anchor was the first sign of christianity before the cross.makes sense since the cross is of pagan origin.
LTM

Sudbury, Canada

#417935 Jan 24, 2013
ReginaM wrote:
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Who are you kidding? You call names on here every single day.
It's you who needs to grow up.
So how many Catholics have you murdered so far today?
Murdered Catholic's , Thats how brain washed you are Regina; you don't know who is for you and who is against you.
Your Catholic doctrine about Mary, praying to saints, idols is a death warrant , and you call me a murderer.
Remember what Jesus said do not be afraid of who can kill the body, but who will kill the body and the soul.
Regina wake up in the Name of Jesus who shed His blood to free you from the chains that hold you bondage.
I am not the killer here Regina.
Pad

Rockford, IL

#417936 Jan 24, 2013
Dust Storm wrote:
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Scott Hahn was educated at the conservative, evangelical Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary.
And his theology and core beliefs were PRESBYTERIAN.That is a foundation of confusion to start with,no matter what conservative influence he may have had.There is no respecter of persons with God.IT was said of a presbyterian minister that he rebuked a student for wanting to bring the salvation message to a foreign nation which was predominantly Buddhist.The minister said to the young man"If it is God's sovereign will,those buddhists will find salvation,you do not need to waste your time going there,for it may not be God's will to save them any way."

No Evangelical on this planet believes that way,we abhor such teaching,and it is anathema to us to even think in such a way. The gospel is for the whole human race,none excluded,Divine predistination in selection as the presbyterians teach via John Calvin is nothing less than obstinate heresey.

When I was in England,particularly Wales,there were presbyterians who would stand on the corner holding tracts,if someone wanted what they held,that person would have to take it from the man's hand,because to give it to someone who was not suppose to be saved was unthinkable.IT is no wonder today that presbyterianism is either a hodge podge of conservative theoloby,or a liberal faction promoting faithless jargle,and pushing a political agenda.
LTM

Sudbury, Canada

#417937 Jan 24, 2013
ReginaM wrote:
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When the Church adheres to these words in faith, she is not being triumphalistic but humbly recognizing in wonder and thanksgiving the victory of God over and through human weakness. Whoever deprives these words of their force for fear of triumphalism or of human usurpation of authority does not proclaim that God is greater but diminishes him, since God demonstrates the power of his love, and thus remains faithful to the law of the history of salvation, precisely in the paradox of human impotence. For with the same realism with which we declare today the sins of the popes and their disproportion to the magnitude of their commission, we must also acknowledge that Peter has repeatedly stood as the rock against ideologies, against the dissolution of the word into the plausibilities of a given time, against subjection to the powers of this world.
When we see this in the facts of history, we are not celebrating men but praising the Lord, who does not abandon the Church and who desired to manifest that he is the rock through Peter, the little stumbling stone:“flesh and blood” do not save, but the Lord saves through those who are of flesh and blood. To deny this truth is not a plus of faith, not a plus of humility, but is to shrink from the humility that recognizes God as he is. Therefore the Petrine promise and its historical embodiment in Rome remain at the deepest level an ever-renewed motive for joy: the powers of hell will not prevail against it …4
4. Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, Called to Communion: Understanding the Church Today, Ignatius Press (1996): 61-65, 72-74.
http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2012/08/the-...
That is the stupidest Idealogy I ever read, but of course it would be.
It came from none other then the enabler of the murderers, and rapists of Children .
Please post from some one with a little more credablity then that.
Even among the catholic's I know, he has none.
LTM

Sudbury, Canada

#417938 Jan 24, 2013
I think I better leave for now go and have a nice hot tea and calm down.
preston

Waverly, OH

#417939 Jan 24, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
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Scott Hahn is only the tip of the iceberg Pad. The number of highly educated converts from the evangelical ranks is stunning.
as I looked at the scholarship of Hahn, I saw that he had attended three different schools at different levels, achieving high marks at all three and he should be commended for ths work.and as I looked at his degrees, I thought that he is somewhat like my brother, tho he doesnt possess as many different degrees as my brother.
saying that I will say this. my brother even with his many degrees belongs to the JW's, so education doesnt protect us from following false religions, for it is written;For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:

Since: Nov 08

usa

#417940 Jan 24, 2013
reposting,left out a word "lion":Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't have video of Ignatius being led to the Lions by the Roman Emperor or Clement being thrown into the ocean tied to an anchor...
What proof do you want? JETHRO:
unfortunately for iggy,he was around when feeding christians"to the lions" was ok with people,and clements story i'm not to familiar with except an emporer named trajan got mad at him for trying to convert people i believe so he got rid of him.interesting discovery,in the first century the anchor was the first sign of christianity before the cross.makes sense since the cross is of pagan origin.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#417941 Jan 24, 2013
896
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
You've done enough damage to our Holy Bible. Now you want to venture into our writings from the Apostolic Fathers?
The truth is the truth and needs to be revealed...

Christ found His church (Christian communities of members on earth or saints in heaven or both).

Today we refer to that as Christianity...which identifies denominations that follow His teachings...which excludes the Catholics...they teach from "traditions" and the "magnastiurm" and the"catechism" which they freely admit are not based on Scripture..

Men, not Christ, founded the catholic denomination.....(Denomination : A large group of religious congregations united under a common faith and name and organized under a single administrative and legal hierarchy.)
Pad

Rockford, IL

#417942 Jan 24, 2013
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
Thank you for your post Pad, and you are so right on.
"The church is the creation,not the CREATOR!"
We are not to sing praise to a denomination or boost their doctrine, we are to sing praise to God, and boost the works of our Lord.
I totally believe what ever denomination a person sits in there is a realm of Gods True Church, born and taught by the Holy Spirit who leads us to all truths.
God can sort through our human logic and mis information also,the Holy Spirit is able to penetrate all error.I know of a ONE-NESS church that was a very strong bastion for the false teaching that comes from that type of Pentecostalism(Jesus Only)(NO Godhead or Trinity)(You cannot be saved unless you speak in tongues). It was located in my city.A minister died and he was replaced with another.The new minister was very exhuberant and loved his congregation,but he felt that although his theology was fundamentally unchallengeable, he wondered about other Christians he had met in his city who loved Christ but never spoke in tongues.

He purposed to find out what was truly the Scriptural truth on salvation and so on,he fasted prayed and spent time alone with the Lord,even to the point of letting another preacher take the pulpit for a time,which was okayed by the church board.He of course did not tell his congregation why,but said he needed to pray.

AFTER two years of doing that returning of course to the pulpit,he started bringing Scriptures to his congregation and just presenting them to them,he prayed ,but he did not try to expound on those Scriptures,but he would ask the people to take those home and pray over them.The main teachers of bible classes all were secretly arguing over the passages,and some would come to him and ask him why he wanted them to study them in depth?Finally after another year,the whole congregation was confronted with either remaining with that false one-ness teaching or going to the evangelical orthodox teaching of most evangelical churches even those that were not necessarily pentecostal.

The whole congregation stayed with the pastor who decided to forsake one-ness theology and go to the TRUTH of Evangelical teaching found in non-oneness churches.They are now part of the Evangelical Fellowship of Churches,we are talking about a church that had over 2,000 members.The One-ness churches in our city were astounded,but there is much more communication with them these days,and unique things are happening.

But God is not troubled by our theology,He is troubled by our forsaking of the LOVE He gives to us when we come to Him and become born-again through faith in Him.Although our theology does need to be confronted,and eventually the Holy Spirit challenges it,like many choices,we need to even give our theology to Him.
Dust Storm

Pennock, MN

#417943 Jan 24, 2013
ReginaM wrote:
<quoted text>
When the Church adheres to these words in faith, she is not being triumphalistic but humbly recognizing in wonder and thanksgiving the victory of God over and through human weakness. Whoever deprives these words of their force for fear of triumphalism or of human usurpation of authority does not proclaim that God is greater but diminishes him, since God demonstrates the power of his love, and thus remains faithful to the law of the history of salvation, precisely in the paradox of human impotence. For with the same realism with which we declare today the sins of the popes and their disproportion to the magnitude of their commission, we must also acknowledge that Peter has repeatedly stood as the rock against ideologies, against the dissolution of the word into the plausibilities of a given time, against subjection to the powers of this world.
When we see this in the facts of history, we are not celebrating men but praising the Lord, who does not abandon the Church and who desired to manifest that he is the rock through Peter, the little stumbling stone:“flesh and blood” do not save, but the Lord saves through those who are of flesh and blood. To deny this truth is not a plus of faith, not a plus of humility, but is to shrink from the humility that recognizes God as he is. Therefore the Petrine promise and its historical embodiment in Rome remain at the deepest level an ever-renewed motive for joy: the powers of hell will not prevail against it …4
4. Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, Called to Communion: Understanding the Church Today, Ignatius Press (1996): 61-65, 72-74.
http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2012/08/the-...
Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you; he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is real food, and my blood is real drink. He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him. As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so he who eats me will live because of me. This is the bread which came down from heaven, not such as the fathers ate and died; he who eats this bread will live forever" (John 6:53–58).

"Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of profaning the body and blood of the Lord. Let a man examine himself, and so eat of the bread and drink of the cup" (1 Cor. 11:27–28).

Pad another in a long list of self proclaimed authorities on what the Word really says. He says its only the Catholics who mock Protestants. lol Apparently he doesnt read these threads. Its a world of complete delusion. And I would bet not a service goes by where someone in the crowd whether an ex catholic including himself doesnt have a good catholic bashing session. Do you notice after he attends a session of love at his gathering that he blasts out a new line of folly? Yeah the hate festivals of love in his spirit filled gatherings shines through. But as HE says God put unity in their hearts that is why he feels it necessary to bash on Presbytrians and a host of others he deems who are clueless to the real deal. King of delusional statements.
Pad

Rockford, IL

#417944 Jan 24, 2013
Full of Love wrote:
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I agree,I know of many ministers that are faithful to God and are not ashamed to preach His word.
We all know of many ministers of the gospel who have walked with God,and continue to keep pure their walk,staying true to their wives,and not ever touching a child in a foul way.

There are no doubt many priests who are the same,and we have to be careful not to judge the whole priesthood by a few either.Nevertheless the scandal affects us all,if we love Christ we are concerned about those who labor for Him as priests do.Laboring for Christ requires no reproach,but being single men,the priests carry an extra burden of fighting daily with like passions.

We have to be understanding,but never to condone anyone who takes the liberty of defiling a young person.Those that do such,can only face what society has for them,and if they do not repent,God who destroys both body and soul is their JUDGE!

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