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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 693148 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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#418161 Jan 25, 2013
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Fun Facts wrote:
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Look again...
9 You, however, live not by your natural inclinations, but by the Spirit, since the
Spirit of God
has made a home in you. Indeed, anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ
does not belong to him
http://www.catholic.org/bible/book.php...
"The Spirit of Christ"...
not..
The Spirit 'Given to' Christ...
Questions?
http://www.scripturecatholic.com/jesus_christ...
Last call..

120

You evidently did not understand my request..

The Holy Trinity: God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
Show me this Trinity that expresses your belief that God is Christ and that Christ is God.
Hit And Run

Piedmont, OK

#418162 Jan 25, 2013
You sheeple don't get it do you......

MAN CHANGED HIS NAME AND MADE HIM A GOD THE LAWS WERE NEVER DONE AWAY WITH.

Just another lie told by the church Because the laws are not kept we live in the most sinful nation on the earth.

YAHWEH IS NOT A GOD AND NONE OF YOU CAN PROVE THIS WRONG BUT YOU CONTINUE YOUR GOD WORSHIP

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#418163 Jan 25, 2013
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Robert Dye wrote:
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???
You seem to be taking two opposing views at the same time ...
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???
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Is it possible ... you are committing (unconsciously) the common American error of saying (thinking) "God" when you really mean "the Father?"
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(To everyone else: No. I am NOT saying "The Father is not God." What I am saying is that for many Americans, when we say the word "God," we are really thinking of "God he Father."
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As in "Jesus died on th cross in obedience to God's will."
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That should more correctly be : "Jesus died on the cross in obedience to the will of the Father."
(ALSO ***not*** saying that the will of Jesus or the Holy Spirit was somehow different.)
If Oxbow is reading "Jesus is God" to mean "Jesus is God the Father," then his objection becomes obviously correct.
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Jesus is ONE WITH the Father, but is NOT the Father, nor is He the Holy Spirit, yet He is ONE WITH the Holy Spirit.
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ONE God.
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THREE Persons.
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(Notice I did not say "THREE distinct Persons.")
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You could probably say it that way, but you would have to be very cautious about what you mean ... since they are in fact One, which in English does not jibe well with the connotations of "distinct."
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The Father did not die on the Cross.
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The Holy Spirit did not rise from the dead.
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God DID DO both of these things, in the Person of Jesus, who is God the Son.
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There.
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That's as much as I can guess as to the source of the confusion with Oxbow.
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If he means something ELSE, I have no idea how it would fit with Christianity ...
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Rob
What else needs to be said???

090 070 065

You, evidently, have not been following this thread. Catholics on this forum have said, over and over, that Christ is God and God is Christ...including Clay..They have provided tons of Scripture that they insist supports their belief!!!!!???? Hello!!!!!

I hope that every Catholic who denies that Christ is the Incarnate Son of God, reads this absolute truth...

"If you don't subscribe to the Teaching that Jesus Christ is the Incarnate Son of God, you are NOT Catholic. You cannot be.
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In rejecting that Teaching, you place yourself outside of the Church."

Thank you for your support...
Hit And Run

Piedmont, OK

#418164 Jan 25, 2013
That was just stupid Yahshua Is the son And Yahweh is the father they are not the same and anyone who thinks they are the same might need to find a mental facility and quick.
ReginaM

Lakehurst, NJ

#418165 Jan 25, 2013
Robert Dye wrote:
<quoted text>
???
You seem to be taking two opposing views at the same time ...
.
???
.
Is it possible ... you are committing (unconsciously) the common American error of saying (thinking) "God" when you really mean "the Father?"
.
(To everyone else: No. I am NOT saying "The Father is not God." What I am saying is that for many Americans, when we say the word "God," we are really thinking of "God he Father."
.
As in "Jesus died on th cross in obedience to God's will."
.
That should more correctly be : "Jesus died on the cross in obedience to the will of the Father."
(ALSO ***not*** saying that the will of Jesus or the Holy Spirit was somehow different.)
If Oxbow is reading "Jesus is God" to mean "Jesus is God the Father," then his objection becomes obviously correct.
.
Jesus is ONE WITH the Father, but is NOT the Father, nor is He the Holy Spirit, yet He is ONE WITH the Holy Spirit.
.
ONE God.
.
THREE Persons.
.
(Notice I did not say "THREE distinct Persons.")
.
You could probably say it that way, but you would have to be very cautious about what you mean ... since they are in fact One, which in English does not jibe well with the connotations of "distinct."
.
The Father did not die on the Cross.
.
The Holy Spirit did not rise from the dead.
.
God DID DO both of these things, in the Person of Jesus, who is God the Son.
.
There.
.
That's as much as I can guess as to the source of the confusion with Oxbow.
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If he means something ELSE, I have no idea how it would fit with Christianity ...
.
Rob
I'd also thought that's what he meant, but with him you can never tell.

I often use the word "distinct" to describe the three divine persons because that's how it was taught to me by the good Sisters.

254 The divine persons are really distinct from one another. "God is one but not solitary."86 "Father", "Son", "Holy Spirit" are not simply names designating modalities of the divine being, for they are really distinct from one another: "He is not the Father who is the Son, nor is the Son he who is the Father, nor is the Holy Spirit he who is the Father or the Son."87 They are distinct from one another in their relations of origin: "It is the Father who generates, the Son who is begotten, and the Holy Spirit who proceeds."88 The divine Unity is Triune.
http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p1s2c1p2.htm
Fun Facts

Midland, MI

#418166 Jan 25, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
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6 As proof that you are children,* God sent the spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying out,“Abba, Father!”d
http://www.usccb.org/bible/galatians/4

9 But you are not in the flesh; on the contrary, you are in the spirit, if only the Spirit of God dwells in you. Whoever does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him.g
http://www.usccb.org/bible/romans/8
LTM

Longlac, Canada

#418167 Jan 25, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
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What a completely asinine question!!!! Quote: Is the deity of Christ biblical? You, evidently, live so far back in the woods, there is not enough pipe to pipe in some sunshine to you!!!!
Christ is the Son of God...He is the Second Person in the Holy Trinity...He is the Incarnate Son of God....
I, evidently, have been mistaken in thinking that all Christians knew this!!!...I was wrong!!!!
The question was Oxbow is Jesus God, the answer is yes He is God .
Very much so. The Father is God, the son is God, and the Holy Spirit is good.
3 persons but one Holy God.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#418168 Jan 25, 2013
Dan wrote:
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Um, He was fully man and fully God.
A supposition that was decided upon by men.

No proof to such occurence.
Dan wrote:
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His conception was miraculous.
No proof of such occurence.

BTW - if you think "faith" is the answer - then you have now brought into the mix - Self.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#418169 Jan 25, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
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Let's make a deal NASaL. You stop trying to blow gnosticism up everyone's behind, and I'll stop making fun of it.
Conjecture.

You mistaken truth for some fantasy.

Grow-up.
Fun Facts

Midland, MI

#418170 Jan 25, 2013
LTM wrote:
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The question was Oxbow is Jesus God, the answer is yes He is God .
Very much so. The Father is God, the son is God, and the Holy Spirit is good.
3 persons but one Holy God.
Amen...

The Commissioning of the Disciples.*
16f The eleven* disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain to which Jesus had ordered them.
17* When they saw him, they worshiped, but they doubted.
18* g Then Jesus approached and said to them,“All power in heaven and on earth has been given to me.

19h Go, therefore,* and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the holy Spirit,

20i teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you.* And behold, I am with you always, until the end of the age.”
http://www.usccb.org/bible/matthew/28
LTM

Longlac, Canada

#418171 Jan 25, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>THIS MATTER CAN BE RESOLVED VERY EASILY.
all OXBOW has to say is this; God, the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Ghost, nothing more has to be added, however if he wants to be bullheaded, who on here would wish for him to be otherwise, if he so chooses.
One can not be Seperated from the other. when I first got saved, even to think of the Name of Jesus would give me Blessings and i wondered about that since I felt that God the Father would be jealous, but he soon let me know that He was well pleased and proud of His Son.
that settled it in my Heart and I have never looked at this dilemma(in my mind,anyway) any other way, since it isnt.
I agree Preston, Jesus is God in the Flesh . there is power in the name of Jesus and demons flee at the mention of His name.
When I first was saved, someone told me that Jesus was God , Jesus was the name of God; because Father isn't a name Holy Spirit isn't a name and I believed that for awhile. Tell My Pastor's wife set me straight.
MICHAEL

Canada

#418172 Jan 25, 2013
Dan wrote:
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Well, Oxbow isn't saying that.
Why are you all so anxious to bail Oxbow out of his heresy?
I'm Catholic and believe in the Trinity and you guys have condemned me to the nether regions a thousand times.
So! Dan, are you a catholic because at an adult age you looked over all belief systems and determined yourself catholicism was for you, or are you like the vast majority of roman catholics, or were you born into the faith by chance, like most other religious people, to become what your parents wanted you to become and believe.........just like them.

Do you believe in the Trinity because you determined it to be your way, or again is the trinity ALL you learned about while growing up from childhood?

Which is it?

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#418173 Jan 25, 2013
ReginaM wrote:
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I'd also thought that's what he meant, but with him you can never tell.
I often use the word "distinct" to describe the three divine persons because that's how it was taught to me by the good Sisters.
254 The divine persons are really distinct from one another. "God is one but not solitary."86 "Father", "Son", "Holy Spirit" are not simply names designating modalities of the divine being, for they are really distinct from one another: "He is not the Father who is the Son, nor is the Son he who is the Father, nor is the Holy Spirit he who is the Father or the Son."87 They are distinct from one another in their relations of origin: "It is the Father who generates, the Son who is begotten, and the Holy Spirit who proceeds."88 The divine Unity is Triune.
http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p1s2c1p2.htm
Would someone be so kind as to show me the teaching in the following that Christ is God and God is Christ...

254 The divine persons are really distinct from one another.

"God is one but not solitary."86 "Father", "Son", "Holy Spirit" are not simply names designating modalities of the divine being, for they are really distinct from one another: "He is not the Father who is the Son, nor is the Son he who is the Father, nor is the Holy Spirit he who is the Father or the Son."87 They are distinct from one another in their relations of origin: "It is the Father who generates, the Son who is begotten, and the Holy Spirit who proceeds."88 The divine Unity is Triune.

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#418174 Jan 25, 2013
166
Fun Facts wrote:
<quoted text>
6 As proof that you are children,* God sent the spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying out,“Abba, Father!”d
http://www.usccb.org/bible/galatians/4
9 But you are not in the flesh; on the contrary, you are in the spirit, if only the Spirit of God dwells in you. Whoever does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him.g
http://www.usccb.org/bible/romans/8
Show me the teaching in the following that Christ is God and God is Christ...

254 The divine persons are really distinct from one another.

"God is one but not solitary."86 "Father", "Son", "Holy Spirit" are not simply names designating modalities of the divine being, for they are really distinct from one another: "He is not the Father who is the Son, nor is the Son he who is the Father, nor is the Holy Spirit he who is the Father or the Son."87 They are distinct from one another in their relations of origin: "It is the Father who generates, the Son who is begotten, and the Holy Spirit who proceeds."88 The divine Unity is Triune.

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#418175 Jan 25, 2013
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LTM wrote:
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The question was Oxbow is Jesus God, the answer is yes He is God .
Very much so. The Father is God, the son is God, and the Holy Spirit is good.
3 persons but one Holy God.
Uh-uh...your words: Is the deity of Christ biblical?....

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#418176 Jan 25, 2013
Fun Facts wrote:
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Amen...
The Commissioning of the Disciples.*
16f The eleven* disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain to which Jesus had ordered them.
17* When they saw him, they worshiped, but they doubted.
18* g Then Jesus approached and said to them,“All power in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
19h Go, therefore,* and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the holy Spirit,
20i teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you.* And behold, I am with you always, until the end of the age.”
http://www.usccb.org/bible/matthew/28
All power in heaven and on earth was given to Jesus Christ, the incarnate Son of God. That did not make Him God!!!!

The source for the Holy Trinity (the Father, and of the Son, and of the holy Spirit) does not say Christ is God nor that God is Christ...
ReginaM

Lakehurst, NJ

#418177 Jan 25, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
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Would someone be so kind as to show me the teaching in the following that Christ is God and God is Christ...
254 The divine persons are really distinct from one another.
"God is one but not solitary."86 "Father", "Son", "Holy Spirit" are not simply names designating modalities of the divine being, for they are really distinct from one another: "He is not the Father who is the Son, nor is the Son he who is the Father, nor is the Holy Spirit he who is the Father or the Son."87 They are distinct from one another in their relations of origin: "It is the Father who generates, the Son who is begotten, and the Holy Spirit who proceeds."88 The divine Unity is Triune.
Remember that old song, "You can't have one, you can't have one, you can't have one without the ooooother!" "Love and Marriage", I believe it's called. It's all about relationship! Same with God.

The dogma of the Holy Trinity

253 The Trinity is One. We do not confess three Gods, but one God in three persons, the "consubstantial Trinity".83 The divine persons do not share the one divinity among themselves but each of them is God whole and entire: "The Father is that which the Son is, the Son that which the Father is, the Father and the Son that which the Holy Spirit is, i.e. by nature one God."84 In the words of the Fourth Lateran Council (1215), "Each of the persons is that supreme reality, viz., the divine substance, essence or nature."85

254 The divine persons are really distinct from one another. "God is one but not solitary."86 "Father", "Son", "Holy Spirit" are not simply names designating modalities of the divine being, for they are really distinct from one another: "He is not the Father who is the Son, nor is the Son he who is the Father, nor is the Holy Spirit he who is the Father or the Son."87 They are distinct from one another in their relations of origin: "It is the Father who generates, the Son who is begotten, and the Holy Spirit who proceeds."88 The divine Unity is Triune.

255 The divine persons are relative to one another. Because it does not divide the divine unity, the real distinction of the persons from one another resides solely in the relationships which relate them to one another: "In the relational names of the persons the Father is related to the Son, the Son to the Father, and the Holy Spirit to both. While they are called three persons in view of their relations, we believe in one nature or substance."89 Indeed "everything (in them) is one where there is no opposition of relationship."90 "Because of that unity the Father is wholly in the Son and wholly in the Holy Spirit; the Son is wholly in the Father and wholly in the Holy Spirit; the Holy Spirit is wholly in the Father and wholly in the Son."91
http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p1s2c1p2.htm

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#418178 Jan 25, 2013
ReginaM wrote:
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Who is she, the board monitor? Put the baby's picture back up.
Btw, he does resemble you. He's already got a bit of a ticked off look on his little face (or is that gas?). I just want to eat him up, he's so cute.
he certainly blesses us, do you remember me speaking of my grandaughter that had to be fed by a tube until she was over a year old?she is over 3 now and a beauty, Chris is going to put a picture online and I will place it on my profile pic.she has a great sense of humor. I told her that I would buy her anything that she wanted for Christmas and then her great grandfather mentioned about buying her something and she started saying, NO ,No ,Papaw, Papaw.
she didnt want anyone to buy her anything but me. and a few weeks ago, chris asked her if she wanted to stay with me and she says. NO, papaw is ornery. and then she laughs. chris thought that was so funny as he no doubt got her to say that.

God has blessed us so much with these children

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#418179 Jan 25, 2013
Whaddabootit Full of Love.....I have not seen your response...

037 897 783

Full of Love wrote:
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I did answer your question Oxbow.
You just didn't see it.
I'm not going to argue with you over it.
I'm really surprised that you are being this way with me.
I'll still be be praying for you.

It is possible I didn't see it....please give me the post number where you did answer my question to:

Does this verse say Christ is God and God is Christ?

Ro 8:34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

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#418180 Jan 25, 2013
Am waiting to see your belief applied to the Holy061

Clay wrote:
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eh ox. you bring a different perspective. On one hand you claim to be a Christian (or used too)
Now you appear to be a Jehovah Witness or something else... because you deny that Jesus Christ is God made manifest?
This to me, is the casualty of Sola Scripture.
You and all the other non Catholics feel good when reading our Bible and Praying. Amen!
Somehow, during the feel good moments...y'all went goofy and thought you could change the Holy Scriptures to mean opposite of what the Apostles taught.
Jesus is God Ox.

The Holy Trinity: God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

Show me this Trinity that expresses your belief that God is Christ and that Christ is God. Trinity..

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