Roman Catholic church only true churc...

Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 599536 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#417841 Jan 23, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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Yeah right.
Your ignorance is only outweighed by your patriotism to a false doctrine.
http://www.remnantofgod.org/criminals.pdf
Where does this implicate the pope and the bishops?
Dust Storm

Pennock, MN

#417842 Jan 23, 2013
Clay wrote:
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He was a Minister at Trinity Presbyterian Church in Fairfax, VA
Are you saying this Church questioned the Trinity??
Scott Hahn and his wife Kimberly claim they were former EVANGELICAL Presbyterians.
Scott Hahn was educated at the conservative, evangelical Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary.
preston

Waverly, OH

#417843 Jan 23, 2013
Full of Love wrote:
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If I may?
Clay,I am a child of God,so I am part of His church.
I'm not going to argue with you about it.
No one taught me about the trinity,I read the scriptures and can see the trinity.
I didnt wish to argue with clay either,sometimes it is necessary to take a stand. God has lots of Good ministers that have no tint of scandal in their lives.

even tho I dont particularly care for Graham, there has never been a scandal in his life, and there are many more "career ministers" that are just as faithful to God or even more so.

and like you, I know that I belong to the King of Kings, the Lord and Master of my Soul. I know that I am Saved and I know that God has Called me into His Ministry of Preaching the Good News about Jesus Christ, and I am not ashamed of that role that I play in His Kingdom
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#417844 Jan 23, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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So only rituals conducted by Jesus, are not heretical?
You called the Liturgy of the Eucharist a 'ritual'. Any other 'ritual' which purports to be the Lord's supper is, well yes, heretical.
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#417845 Jan 23, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
Anthony MN wrote:
"but since the Pope is involved witht he cover-up, and all his subordinates are as well"
Total fabrication without merit.
Prove that I am wrong or keep to your Self.
You move.
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Incorrect.
I made the statement, but you think it is a fabrication. That would now place the onus on you to prove I am wrong.
Besides, I already provided documentation that show I am correct.
Live with it Anthony.
Go hug a pedophile priest if it makes you feel better, but don't tell them where you got teh document from, because it is supposed to be "Confidential" and "eyes only" - per the Vatican.
What a loser.
Nice.

You made the charge. Prove it.
preston

Waverly, OH

#417846 Jan 23, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
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I know you've toned it down Preston and I appreciate your effort. Your personal testimony is just that, personal, and sharing it here in this particular forum, even though you believe it with all your heart, doesn't necessairly have the effect you desire, especially when compared to sharing it with someone in person. That's all I'm going to say about that.
But your views on the Blessed Virgin are wrong. And they are insulting. And they are totally unbiblical. And in light of the fact that you take so much pride in standing up for the written Word, I think it diminishes your reputation as such. I wish you would stop.
I ahve NEVER been interested in a reputation, I have always been in what I percevie is the Truth, however.

and for me to even consider that God had intercourse with Mary is unfathomable. God gave me this a few hours ago, so you can ponder on it.

For God to have fertilized the egg of Mary would then mean that Jesus was half man/half God, and as a Christian, I dont believe that. I beleive that He was fully human/fully God..

and the concept of God placing an embryo in her womb covers all of the bases(at least for me). It takes nothing away from Mary, in fact, go back to genesis and read about the "seed". a woman has no "seed", therfore she ,at the beginning, contributed nothing but her womb.
several times, I have given you an article dealing with an embryo and how it attaches itself to the womb, and then takes from the woman, human characteristics.

I apologize for ONLY ONE THING, this was over the head of you and reg. for that I apologize.I thought that I was discussing Truth with adults, I was Wrong.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#417847 Jan 23, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
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Where does this implicate the pope and the bishops?
Just by having it written.

I've given you the details, maybe you should ask the Vatican why they ordered it not to be published or why they even had to create such a document.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#417848 Jan 23, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
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Nice.
You made the charge. Prove it.
Nah - I've moved on. If you want it proved further, you'll have to go look for the documents yourself.

I gave you an answer, it is now your own Self that needs to reconcile it.

Good luck.
preston

Waverly, OH

#417849 Jan 23, 2013
Clay wrote:
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I don't have video of Ignatius being led to the Lions by the Roman Emperor or Clement being thrown into the ocean tied to an anchor...
What proof do you want?
1099 Crusaders (European Christians) capture Jerusalem and massacre tens of thousands of the city's Jews.

I just lifted that one out of this article. there are a whole list more

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#417850 Jan 23, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
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You called the Liturgy of the Eucharist a 'ritual'. Any other 'ritual' which purports to be the Lord's supper is, well yes, heretical.
Only in your eyes.

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#417851 Jan 23, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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I did catch it, and I don't agree it to be a fumble at all.
Self.
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You are right, it isn't, but understanding the mechanisms of why we do things, through a true in-depth search (meditation and prayer) of our actions (works), we can learn and become better people toward others and in 'faith', hope to make positive changes in the world around us. It also allows one to begin to see the things in the world that can be appreciated, and appreciate what they do for us and us for them.
Self.
<quoted text>
I agree.
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I disagree. A person can have the best results when understanding all the negative aspects as well. If they refuse to acknowledge and seek out the correct information, then they really can't assume anything, because they don't know if it is true or not.
Saying something is true without accurate details or information to validate it factually is, is a ruse not only to yourself, but also to others. "One should not stop seeking.(Jesus)"
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In what regard?
Lots of things are given and taken away, that have no relevance on salvation. You are thinking of only things in the material world.
Material issues and things have no bearing in a spiritual realm, if and when salvation occurs. According to Jesus, we feel no pain, harm, or other "demons" that we are apportioned to in this world.
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Only to those who think they "know" the inner workings of "God", which I may add, was given to you by men ("Job").
Self.
NASL

"Robert F wrote:
<quoted text>Likewise, If one is given the opportunity to assume, then it is better to assume, than to know(because one may know incorrectly.)"

NASL replied:

"I disagree. A person can have the best results when understanding all the negative aspects as well. If they refuse to acknowledge and seek out the correct information, then they really can't assume anything, because they don't know if it is true or not."

It is better to act on an assumption, than to act on something incorrect.

This may be where we disagree. You would rather continue in acting on a known incorrect,(hoping to accumulate enough negatives, that eventually a positive will be found).

(I think it goes to the foundation of Gnosticism in that it unites self with all things.)

Two wrongs don't make a right....Continuing in sin, one does not eventually come to the end, and make a conclusion that there is a righteous act.

Instead one may be given, or make the assumption that one is doing a righteous act, that may be proven righteous or sinful.

This leaves room for the mind to become enlightened, rather than declaring the mind is enlightened, when in fact it is operating on an incorrect known(That is darkness.).
7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#417852 Jan 23, 2013
Full of Love wrote:
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Beans and cornbread are a staple down here.
Like most down here,I was raised on them.
Of course,fried taters is also a must.
I remember putting ketchup in my beans when I was a youngin.
Also,chow chow is good with them.
Would that be Dog Chow by chance ?......lol........
7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#417853 Jan 23, 2013
jethro8 wrote:
<quoted text>beans,sauerkraut,sausa ges?? get the tums and keep the window open after that combination rotflmao.
Lord have Mercy !!!!
ReginaM

Jackson, NJ

#417854 Jan 23, 2013
Opening Mass National Prayer Vigil for Life

Thursday, 6:30 p.m.

Basilica of the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception
Washington, D.C.

http://www.nationalshrine.com/site/c.osJRKVPB...

http://www.usccb.org/about/pro-life-activitie...

http://www.catholictv.com/National-Prayer-Vig...

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#417855 Jan 23, 2013
jethro8 wrote:
<quoted text>where is down here?love cornbread myself,not good though for sauce slopping,best cornbread i ever had was when i was out in indianapolis, went to a park where an old fashion mill still operated, bought some and it was the best,bought two 5lb bags of cornmeal and brought it home with me...what is chow chow???
Down here in the mountains of East Tennessee.

There is a mill close to where we live.It's the best.

Chow chow is a pickled relish made of different veggies.

Some are made with cabbage or corn,green tomatoes,etc.

My Mamaw made it and it was really good.

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#417856 Jan 23, 2013
preston wrote:
<quoted text>I didnt wish to argue with clay either,sometimes it is necessary to take a stand. God has lots of Good ministers that have no tint of scandal in their lives.
even tho I dont particularly care for Graham, there has never been a scandal in his life, and there are many more "career ministers" that are just as faithful to God or even more so.
and like you, I know that I belong to the King of Kings, the Lord and Master of my Soul. I know that I am Saved and I know that God has Called me into His Ministry of Preaching the Good News about Jesus Christ, and I am not ashamed of that role that I play in His Kingdom
I agree,I know of many ministers that are faithful to God and are not ashamed to preach His word.
LTM

Sudbury, Canada

#417857 Jan 23, 2013
Roman Catholicism

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The bishops, with the Pope as their head, rule the universal Church.

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God has entrusted revelation to the bishops.

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The Pope is infallible in his teaching.

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Scripture and Tradition together are the Word of God.

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Mary is the co-redeemer, for she participated with Christ in the painful act of redemption.

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Mary is the co-mediator, to whom we can entrust all our cares and petitions.

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Initial justification is by means of baptism.

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Adults must prepare for justification through faith and good works.

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Grace is merited by good works.

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Salvation is attained by cooperating with grace through faith, good works, and participation in the sacraments.

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No one can know if he will attain to eternal life.

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The Roman Catholic Church is necessary for salvation.

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Christ's body and blood exist wholly and entirely in every fragment of consecrated bread and wine in every Roman Catholic church around the world.

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The sacrifice of the cross is perpetuated in the Sacrifice of the Mass.

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Each sacrifice of the Mass appeases God's wrath against sin.

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The sacrificial work of redemption is continually carried out through the sacrifice of the Mass.

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LTM

Sudbury, Canada

#417858 Jan 23, 2013
Biblical Teaching

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Christ, the head of the body, rules the universal church (Colossians 1:18).

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God has entrusted revelation to the saints (Jude 3).

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God alone is infallible (Numbers 23:19; Acts 17:11).

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Scripture alone is the Word of God (John 10:35; 2 Timothy 3:16,17; 2 Peter 1:20,21; Mark 7:1-13).

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Christ alone is the Redeemer, for He alone suffered and died for sin (1 Peter 1:18,19).

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Christ Jesus is the one mediator to whom we can entrust all our cares and petitions (1 Timothy 2:5; John 14:13,14; 1 Peter 5:7).

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Justification is by faith alone (Romans 3:28).

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God justifies ungodly sinners who believe (Romans 4:5). Good works are the result of salvation, not the cause (Ephesians 2:8-10).

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Grace is a free gift (Romans 11:6).

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Salvation is attained by grace through faith apart from works (Ephesians 2:10).

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The believer can know that he has eternal life by the Word of God and the testimony of the Holy Spirit who indwells believers(1 John 5:13; Romans 8:16).

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There is salvation in no one but the Lord Jesus Christ,“for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved”(Acts 4:12).

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The bread and wine are symbols of the body and blood of Christ, and He is bodily present in heaven (1 Corinthians 11:23-25; Hebrews 10:12,13).

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The sacrifice of the cross is finished (John 19:30).

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The once-for-all sacrifice of the cross fully appeased God's wrath against sin (Hebrews 10:12-18).

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The sacrificial work of redemption was finished when Christ gave His life for us on the cross (Ephesians 1:7; Hebrews 1:3).

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These doctrines don't date back all the way to Constantine, except for perhaps in seed form, but were slowly adopted over many years as various popes issued decrees. In many cases, the doctrines are not even based on Scripture, but on a document of the church. Most Roman Catholics consider themselves to be Christians and are unaware of the differences between their beliefs and the Bible. Sadly, the Roman Catholic Church has fostered that ignorance by discouraging the personal study of the Bible and making the people reliant on the priests for their understanding of the Bible.
Clay

United States

#417859 Jan 23, 2013
Dust Storm wrote:
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Scott Hahn was educated at the conservative, evangelical Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary.
I was going to mention that too.
preston

Waverly, OH

#417861 Jan 23, 2013
Clay wrote:
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I was going to mention that too.
judas started on the Right Road too.

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