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LTM

Sudbury, Canada

#417563 Jan 22, 2013
The Consequences of the Flesh

The Bible says that living in the flesh produces a number of unfortunate consequences. First, Scripture states that those who live according to the flesh, and who never desire change or repent from their sinful behavior, will experience separation from God both in this life and the next:

• "Therefore what benefit were you then deriving from the [sinful practices] of which you are now ashamed? For the outcome of those things is death"(Romans 6:21)

• "For if you live according to the sinful nature, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live"(Romans 8:13)

• "Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, this he will also reap. For the one who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption, but the one who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life"(Galatians 6:7-8)

Further, a person also becomes a slave to his/her fleshly nature:“Do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin resulting in death, or of obedience resulting in righteousness?”(Romans 6:16). This slavery always leads to a destructive lifestyle and deteriorated living. As the prophet Hosea said, "For they sow the wind and they reap the whirlwind”(Hosea 8:7).

The fact of the matter is that obeying the flesh always results in breaking God’s moral law. Nevertheless, in a very real sense, a person can never break God’s moral law, although he can certainly disobey it. For example, a person can climb up on a roof, tie a cape around his neck, and leap off the roof in hopes of breaking the law of gravity. However, he will quickly learn that he cannot fly; he cannot break the law of gravity, and the only thing he breaks in the end is himself, while proving the law of gravity in the process. The same is true of moral actions: a person may disobey God’s moral law through fleshly living, but he will only prove the moral law of God true by breaking himself in some way via his own behavior.

Overcoming the Flesh
The Bible provides a three-step process for overcoming the flesh and restoring oneself to a right relationship with God. The first step is a walk of honesty where a person acknowledges his sinful behavior before God. This involves agreeing with what the Bible says about everyone born of human parents: people are sinners and enter the world in a broken relationship with the God who made them:

• "If You, Lord, should mark iniquities, O Lord, who could stand?”(Psalm 130:3)

• "If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us.... If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us”(1 John 1:8, 10)

The next step is a walk in the Spirit, which involves calling out to God for salvation and receiving His Holy Spirit that empowers a person to live rightly before God and not obey the flesh’s desires. This transformation and new walk of life is described in several places in Scripture:

•“I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me." (Galatians 2:20)

• "Even so consider yourselves to be dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus."(Romans 6:11)
LTM

Sudbury, Canada

#417564 Jan 22, 2013
cont

"But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh."(Galatians 5:16)

• "For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.”(Galatians 3:27)

• "But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh in regard to its lusts."(Romans 13:14)

• "And do not get drunk with wine, for that is dissipation, but be filled with the Spirit"(Ephesians 5:18)

• "Your word I have treasured in my heart, that I may not sin against You." (Psalm 119:11)

The last step is a walk of death, where the flesh is starved of its desires so that it eventually dies. Even though a person is born again through the Spirit of God, he must understand he still possesses the old nature with its desires that war with the new nature and the desires that come from the Spirit. From a practical standpoint, the Christian purposely avoids feeding the old, fleshly nature and instead practices new behaviors that are driven by the Spirit:

• "But flee from [sinful actions], you man of God, and pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, perseverance and gentleness”(1 Timothy 6:11)

•“Now flee from youthful lusts”(2 Timothy 2:22)

• "But I discipline my body and make it my slave, so that, after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified.“(1 Corinthians 9:27)

• "Therefore consider the members of your earthly body as dead to immorality, impurity, passion, evil desire, and greed, which amounts to idolatry."(Colossians 3:5)

• "Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires."(Galatians 5:24)

• "Knowing this, that our old self was crucified with Him, in order that our body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin;"(Romans 6:6)

• "But you did not learn Christ in this way, if indeed you have heard Him and have been taught in Him, just as truth is in Jesus, that, in reference to your former manner of life, you lay aside the old self, which is being corrupted in accordance with the lusts of deceit, and that you be renewed in the spirit of your mind, and put on the new self, which in the likeness of God has been created in righteousness and holiness of the truth."(Ephesians 4:20-24)
7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#417565 Jan 22, 2013
marge wrote:
<quoted text>
your nuts the rest is 24/7 for those in Christ Jesus and no other believer is to judge you or anyone about any sabbath days.
Colossians 2:16-23

King James Version (KJV)


16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

[.....The above is talking about what God ordained and set aside as Holy not what man pick and chooses.......]

18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

19 And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.

20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,

21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;

22 Which all are to perish with the using;)[.... after the commandments and doctrines of men?.......]

23 Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body: not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.

Note: what the scriptures are really syaing:

20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,

Which all are to perish with the using;)[.... after the commandments and doctrines of men?.......]

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#417566 Jan 22, 2013
442
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, I could say that you've just declared yourself a polytheist-that you believe in more than one deity.
We don't get many polytheists here. Welcome to the board.
240 184

Scripture clearly shows Christ and God are not one and the same......Scripture erroneously interpreted that supposedly shows God and Christ as the same, makes the Bible infallible...which it is not.

What else is there to say?????
7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#417567 Jan 22, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
442
<quoted text>
240 184
Scripture clearly shows Christ and God are not one and the same......Scripture erroneously interpreted that supposedly shows God and Christ as the same, makes the Bible infallible...which it is not.
What else is there to say?????
Ox i still believe if Nature teaches us. That when Mary concieved it would have been as a Woman who is carrying an embryo and the egg split and becomes identical twins leaving one God the Father and God the Son who took on the flesh and became sin thoough he never did sin inorder that manking may be saved.

Therefore yes you are correct in that they are Two yet still as one.

In My Opinion that is the only example I can come up with.

They both carry the same SPIRIT of Truth and why Jesus is correct in saying he is the beginning and the end the alpha and omega.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#417568 Jan 22, 2013
472 240 184
Full of Love wrote:
<quoted text>
Again Oxbow,
1 John 5:7
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost:
>>>>>and these three are one.<<<<<
Oxbow,are you denying Christ is Lord?
If what you say is true,then you are saying that the Holy Bible is contradicting it's self.
So many verses say that they are one.
God was manifest in the flesh.
This,speaking of Jesus say's;
Philippians 2:6
Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
1Joh 5:7 speaks of the Holy Trinity....which is the foundation of Christianity...

Parallel verse to Phil 2:6
Joh 5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

He is said what Scripture I quoted says...that God is His Father...not that He is God!!!!!!

There it is again...in plain sight..."but said also that God was his Father".....

Thanks for your support....

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#417569 Jan 22, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
"Earth is the "Devil's realm"."
Why do you live in fear?
Have you ever seen this entity?
Is he in your neighborhood today?
Why doesn't the news media and social networks have information on this entity.
A: because this entity only exists in someone who is in fear.
Live in love, and you will never see any "bad guys".
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
The Manifestation and Struggle with the Flesh
How does the flesh manifest itself in human beings? The Bible answers the question this way: "Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God”(Galatians 5:19-21).
Examples of the flesh’s outworking in the world are evident. Consider a few sad facts taken from a recent survey on the effect of pornography in America. According to the study, every second in the U.S.:
•$3,075.64 is being spent on pornography
• 28,258 Internet users are viewing pornography
• 372 Internet users are typing adult search terms into search engines
And every 39 minutes, a new pornographic video is being created in the United States. Such statistics underscore the statement made by the prophet Jeremiah who mourned that “the heart is more deceitful than all else and is desperately sick; who can understand it?”(Jeremiah 17:9).
You avoided answering any of my questions, and you continued to post nonsense that you think is related.

Humans carry many traits that are beneficial to living a good life or a bad life. Our choices [Self/free will/being/consciousness] all play a major role in that behavorior or action.
- when one tries to play the card, "it wasn't me, it was the Devil", you know, it just doesn't fit well, in court or with the honesty of a person.

Why don't you just try to answer the questions through a bit of honesty instead of diversion or the manipulation of things that exist in this world, to become what your delusional mind is processing.

Can you prove that pornography is the product of the "devil"?

What about the smoke you intake. Many conservative fundamentalist call it "the Devil's weed". How do we know that you aren't already possessed by this entity, and all you are doing is trying to throw out a ruse to others?

As you can see from that last statement, your comments are justa s foolish as you think that they are true.

Why do you think "Paul" was more enlightened than Jesus?

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#417570 Jan 22, 2013
496
Full of Love wrote:
<quoted text>
Romans 10:11-13
For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for >>>>the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Acts 20:28
Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God,
>>>which he hath purchased with >>his own blood
John 10:30 I and my Father are one.
John 12:45 And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me.
John 14:7-10 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip?
he that hath seen me >>>>hath seen the Father;
240 184

The first parallel verse to 1Ti 3:16 is: And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: And is followed by: And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

Scripture that clearly shows Christ and God are not one and the same......Scripture erroneously interpreted that supposedly shows God and Christ as the same, makes the Bible infallible...which it is not.

What else is there to say?????

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#417571 Jan 22, 2013
7th Day Catholics Rock wrote:
<quoted text>Ox i still believe if Nature teaches us. That when Mary concieved it would have been as a Woman who is carrying an embryo and the egg split and becomes identical twins leaving one God the Father and God the Son who took on the flesh and became sin thoough he never did sin inorder that manking may be saved.
Therefore yes you are correct in that they are Two yet still as one.
In My Opinion that is the only example I can come up with.
They both carry the same SPIRIT of Truth and why Jesus is correct in saying he is the beginning and the end the alpha and omega.
Key words in your post:

"if"

"IMO"

Got any facts to back up the speculation? Physical evidence is the best - like a video, a written account that has been dated through scholarship to be of the same time period, or a contemporary source of the same time period.

Whatcha got?
7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#417572 Jan 22, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Key words in your post:
"if"
"IMO"
Got any facts to back up the speculation? Physical evidence is the best - like a video, a written account that has been dated through scholarship to be of the same time period, or a contemporary source of the same time period.
Whatcha got?
The Fact that we exist and yes Nature does teach us.

I don't like you so none of my post will ever be directed at you period. Should have made that clear the last encounter.

You put man over God/Jesus ?
Jen

Lancaster, PA

#417573 Jan 22, 2013
Oxbow...

Jesus was in the beginning with God and the Holy Spirit, they are all one, Triune God, the Holy Trinity...

Yes, when Christ was on earth, His Father was in heaven, as Christ was made man for our deliverance, He became the Lamb that was slaughtered on our behalf, and took on the sins of the entire world, past, present, future...

Then the Holy Spirit was sent here for us to be able to even have any spiritual awakening at all...the Holy Spirit is here...He wont be here for the tribulation though, so for those left it will be totally hard for them to come to know God...

the Word is infallible

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#417574 Jan 22, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Imagine that.....huh!
:o)
You don't spend your life knowing yourself, right?
I just want to make sure we are on the same page.
I call what you state - Self.
What do you call it?
NASL

lol....I knew it was risky writing that, and you would catch it.

But I won't admit it was a fumble yet.

To know oneself is not a oneness, of self with Self.

If one is given the opportunity to know, then it is better to know, than to assume.

Likewise, If one is given the opportunity to assume, then it is better to assume, than to know(because one may know incorrectly.)

What one is given, can be taken away.

The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away. Blessed be the Name of the Lord.(Job)

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#417575 Jan 22, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
442
<quoted text>
240 184
Scripture clearly shows Christ and God are not one and the same......Scripture erroneously interpreted that supposedly shows God and Christ as the same, makes the Bible infallible...which it is not.
What else is there to say?????
Revelation 2:8

8 And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith
>>>the first and the last,
>>>which was dead,
>>>and is alive;

Cross references;
Isaiah 48:12
Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he;>> I am the first, >>I also am the last.

Revelation 22:13
I am Alpha and Omega, >>the beginning and the end, <<the first and the last

Revelation 21:6
And he said unto me, It is done.
I am Alpha and Omega,
the beginning and the end.
I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

John 4:10
Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.

John 4:14
But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life

Oxbow,there is even more than these scriptures that shows they are one.

Out of love I ask you,
please study them.
7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#417576 Jan 22, 2013
2 Peter 1

King James Version (KJV)


1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:

2 Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,

3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:

4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

5 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;

6 And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;

7 And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.

8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.

9 But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.

10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

12 Wherefore I will not be negligent to put you always in remembrance of these things, though ye know them, and be established in the present truth.

13 Yea, I think it meet, as long as I am in this tabernacle, to stir you up by putting you in remembrance;

14 Knowing that shortly I must put off this my tabernacle, even as our Lord Jesus Christ hath shewed me.

15 Moreover I will endeavour that ye may be able after my decease to have these things always in remembrance.

16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.

17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.

19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:

20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#417577 Jan 22, 2013
Full of Love wrote:
<quoted text>
Not by all the scriptures I posted.
I'm not going to fuss with you Dan.
Are the scriptures you presented Oxbow not in his Bible?
I don't need your "fussing"-I'm not the one who says the Bible denies the Trinity. You fellow protestant is making this assertion. Tend to him.
preston

Waverly, OH

#417578 Jan 22, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
My mistake.
A "pew call".
every step you take is a false step.Dan.lol. I was 12 miles from the church when God spoke to me and told me to "come".

it is a shame that all you are doing is mocking the Work of the Holy Spirit.AND YOU DONT EVEN REALIZE IT.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#417579 Jan 22, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
No the Assumption is not infallible teaching.
There is nowhere in recorded history, except for the story in the Bible, of Mary "ascending in bodily form".
It could be true, if one had witnessed an alien abduction.
That would mean Mary was not of this Earth to begin with. Some call that type of being - extraterrestrial.
Do you have something that can validate the Assumption occurred, outside of the Bible? You know another contemporary source?
Another odd thing about this is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assumption_of_Ma...
"This doctrine was dogmatically defined by Pope Pius XII on November 1, 1950, in his Apostolic Constitution Munificentissimus Deus by exercising papal infallibility."
- 1950?
- It took 1900 years to make this infallible - by a man?
But enough of the points that make your claim false.
Let's have something from you that you can provide that shows differently.
thanks!
I'm fairly certain that you don't decide what is or isn't an infallible (or not infallible) teaching of the Catholic Church.

As you asked me earlier, you CAN make a disticntion between what you believe and what is fact, can you not?
Dan

Omaha, NE

#417580 Jan 22, 2013
Jen wrote:
Oxbow...
Jesus was in the beginning with God and the Holy Spirit, they are all one, Triune God, the Holy Trinity...
Yes, when Christ was on earth, His Father was in heaven, as Christ was made man for our deliverance, He became the Lamb that was slaughtered on our behalf, and took on the sins of the entire world, past, present, future...
Then the Holy Spirit was sent here for us to be able to even have any spiritual awakening at all...the Holy Spirit is here...He wont be here for the tribulation though, so for those left it will be totally hard for them to come to know God...
the Word is infallible
Oxbow believes the Word is infallible and draws a different conclusion.

Who's right?
Dan

Omaha, NE

#417581 Jan 22, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
442
<quoted text>
240 184
Scripture clearly shows Christ and God are not one and the same......Scripture erroneously interpreted that supposedly shows God and Christ as the same, makes the Bible infallible...which it is not.
What else is there to say?????
That you're a polytheist-same thing I said before.

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#417582 Jan 22, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
496
<quoted text>
240 184
The first parallel verse to 1Ti 3:16 is: And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: And is followed by: And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
Scripture that clearly shows Christ and God are not one and the same......Scripture erroneously interpreted that supposedly shows God and Christ as the same, makes the Bible infallible...which it is not.
What else is there to say?????
Again Oxbow,that was a witness of all three being one.

They are all tied into together.
Jesus,the Holy Spirit and God the Father.

Isaiah 45:18
For thus says the LORD that created the heavens; >>>God himself that formed the earth and made it; >>he has established it,
>>> he created it not in vain,
>>>he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else

Cross references;
John 1
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him;
and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Oxbow,I have posted enough to show they are one.

Colossians 2:9
For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily

I don't know what else to tell you.

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