Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 20 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at CBC News.

Since: Nov 08

usa

#417554 Jan 22, 2013
Clay wrote:
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Constantine had no authority on Catholic teachings!!
Man, you think after 300 yrs of being killed and tortured by the Roman Empire; when 30 + Popes were slaughtered, that they would suddenly hand Constantine the keys? Heck no.
There is no evidence Constantine influenced Catholicism in such a way. None. The whole idea is made up by fanatics a couple hundred yrs ago. They have zero evidence..
after going through countless websites you get a lot of different answers,constantine was christian (not catholic),and he influenced the catholic church to include pagan traditions within it's church to help keep peace in his kingdom,that is one explanation of many,and it's the most believable since the church adopted pagan symbols and dates,and as far as a key goes,what keys? it's mythical keys,have you seen it? has any pope seen them? peter had them,he is buried in rome (supposedly)the key should be there,it is an actual key or just a eufinism? as expected,all catholic sites deny any involvement by constantine,which i don't believe,the truth lies with in the archives of the church and they will not allow anyone to see them,plus the books that were burned by constantine and his collegues he put together.and most important no one has established a god does truly exist,it's all theory still at this point.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#417555 Jan 22, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
"garnish"?
"garner", I think.
Yep - my error.

Oh well.

Good catch.

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#417556 Jan 22, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
The number is not specific.
Please list the "at least three books" you think exist.
Please be specific.
Thanks!
<quoted text>
Yes, one is called the "Book of Life"....and the "others" are not listed.
In honesty, you are correct, you cannot speculate on them, because you do not know the specifics.
Why would "God" leave out these specifics, if indeed "John" is "inspired"?
It doesn't have any logic to it at all, yet many will wrap their lives around the "Book of Life", speculating this and that.
Can you be honest enough to say, "there isn't enough information to justify that there are multiple books, so I really don't know what to believe in this regard.
But, on the other hand, you promote the "Book of Life" as if you are/will be part of it.
Book of Life - as men have determined
"In Christianity and Judaism, the Book of Life (Hebrew: &#1505;&#1508;&#15 12; &#1492;&#1495;&#14 97;&#1497;&#1501;, transliterated Sefer HaChaim) is the book in which God records the names of every person who is destined for Heaven or the World to Come. According to the Talmud it is open on Rosh Hashanah, as is its analog for the wicked, the Book of the Dead. For this reason extra mention is made for the Book of Life during Amidah recitations during the Days of Awe, the ten days between Rosh Hashanah, the Jewish new year, and Yom Kippur, the day of atonement (the two High Holidays, particularly in the prayer Unetaneh Tokef)."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Life
Don't you just love how men can dictate what others are to believe?
Why don't you believe Jesus when he says:
(3) Jesus says:
(1) "If those who lead you say to you:‘Look, the kingdom is in the sky!’
then the birds of the sky will precede you.
(2) If they say to you:‘It is in the sea,’ then the fishes will precede you.
(3) Rather, the kingdom is inside of you, and outside of you."
(4) "When you come to know yourselves, then you will be known,
and you will realize that you are the children of the living Father.
(5) But if you do not come to know yourselves, then you exist in poverty, and you are poverty."
Don't you think doing this, will ensure your spot in the "Book of Life"?
How does any human know that "God" even has this book, if:
a. No.
- The Book of Life is mentioned throughout the Scriptures: Exodus 32:32; Daniel 12:1; Luke 10:10; Philippians 4:3; Revelation 3:5; 13:8; 17:8; 20:12; 20:15.
- Luke 10:10 - has no reference to such a book, nor is it spoken of by Jesus
Why do you believe men over Jesus?
NASL

Good questions and observations.

The Revelation of John is not detailed, nor did he copy down all the names in the Book of Like and cross-reference them to another book....

Visions in an of themselves are not a tangeable reality, but are descriptive, figurative, and conceptual. When a person starts to understand them, they are given to some degree that ability, but that does not mean the vision is transferable to the tangeable.

One cannot assume they are written in the Book of Life because they have a special understanding, or feeling of knowing scriptures....Although it is better to live a life of knowing oneself, than not knowing.(If that life is beatudinous in nature, there is assurance.)
Dan

Omaha, NE

#417557 Jan 22, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Nope - all I saw was the Catechism link you posted.
The Catechism is man-made, and since man is fallible, then those surely aren't the ones.
There are infallible teachings, right?
All I've done is ask you to post just one.
And you can't even do that. Sounds to me like ?honesty" is standing in your way.
You should have it-I sent it over-

The Assumption.

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#417558 Jan 22, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
Sure I believe in the Trinity.
Oxbow's seen the same scriptures you have and concluded as he has written using those self-same scriptures.
He's made his own proof.
Not by all the scriptures I posted.

I'm not going to fuss with you Dan.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#417559 Jan 22, 2013
Robert F wrote:
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....Although it is better to live a life of knowing oneself, than not knowing.
Imagine that.....huh!

:o)

You don't spend your life knowing yourself, right?

I just want to make sure we are on the same page.

I call what you state - Self.

What do you call it?

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#417560 Jan 22, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
You should have it-I sent it over-
The Assumption.
No the Assumption is not infallible teaching.

There is nowhere in recorded history, except for the story in the Bible, of Mary "ascending in bodily form".

It could be true, if one had witnessed an alien abduction.

That would mean Mary was not of this Earth to begin with. Some call that type of being - extraterrestrial.

Do you have something that can validate the Assumption occurred, outside of the Bible? You know another contemporary source?

Another odd thing about this is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assumption_of_Ma...
"This doctrine was dogmatically defined by Pope Pius XII on November 1, 1950, in his Apostolic Constitution Munificentissimus Deus by exercising papal infallibility."
- 1950?
- It took 1900 years to make this infallible - by a man?

But enough of the points that make your claim false.

Let's have something from you that you can provide that shows differently.

thanks!
7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#417561 Jan 22, 2013
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
Rest in Christ...
"My soul finds rest in God alone; my salvation comes from Him. He alone is my rock and my salvation; he is my fortress, I shall never be shaken."
Not in the day of the week....
Revival and Resurrection. There is a scheduled time for our revival and resurrection after being punished.
Come, let us return to the Lord. For He has torn us, but He will heal us; He has wounded us, but He will bandage us. He will revive us after two days. He will raise us up on the third day, that we may live before Him.(Hosea 6: 1-2)

The Third day here is the Thousand Year Millinium.

It is also the Seventh Day ( Thousand Years as a day and day as a year) in which the land willl rest for polluting and violating of the SABBATHS of the previous 6 Thousand years.

Therefor the Land must REST every 7th Year as well.

Yes Christ IS our Rest however you need to quit confounding the TRUTH.

You and Percy in your attempt to pull up the tares are pulling wheat up with it. maybe it is time to become the student and not the teacher you and him confess to be.

Matthew 13:24-30

King James Version (KJV)


24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of

heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:

25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the

wheat, and went his way.

26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then

appeared the tares also.

27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir,

didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it

tares?

28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto

him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?

29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up

also the wheat with them.

30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of

harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares,

and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my

barn.
LTM

Sudbury, Canada

#417562 Jan 22, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
"Earth is the "Devil's realm"."
Why do you live in fear?
Have you ever seen this entity?
Is he in your neighborhood today?
Why doesn't the news media and social networks have information on this entity.
A: because this entity only exists in someone who is in fear.
Live in love, and you will never see any "bad guys".
The Manifestation and Struggle with the Flesh
How does the flesh manifest itself in human beings? The Bible answers the question this way: "Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God”(Galatians 5:19-21).

Examples of the flesh’s outworking in the world are evident. Consider a few sad facts taken from a recent survey on the effect of pornography in America. According to the study, every second in the U.S.:

•$3,075.64 is being spent on pornography
• 28,258 Internet users are viewing pornography
• 372 Internet users are typing adult search terms into search engines

And every 39 minutes, a new pornographic video is being created in the United States. Such statistics underscore the statement made by the prophet Jeremiah who mourned that “the heart is more deceitful than all else and is desperately sick; who can understand it?”(Jeremiah 17:9).
LTM

Sudbury, Canada

#417563 Jan 22, 2013
The Consequences of the Flesh

The Bible says that living in the flesh produces a number of unfortunate consequences. First, Scripture states that those who live according to the flesh, and who never desire change or repent from their sinful behavior, will experience separation from God both in this life and the next:

• "Therefore what benefit were you then deriving from the [sinful practices] of which you are now ashamed? For the outcome of those things is death"(Romans 6:21)

• "For if you live according to the sinful nature, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live"(Romans 8:13)

• "Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, this he will also reap. For the one who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption, but the one who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life"(Galatians 6:7-8)

Further, a person also becomes a slave to his/her fleshly nature:“Do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin resulting in death, or of obedience resulting in righteousness?”(Romans 6:16). This slavery always leads to a destructive lifestyle and deteriorated living. As the prophet Hosea said, "For they sow the wind and they reap the whirlwind”(Hosea 8:7).

The fact of the matter is that obeying the flesh always results in breaking God’s moral law. Nevertheless, in a very real sense, a person can never break God’s moral law, although he can certainly disobey it. For example, a person can climb up on a roof, tie a cape around his neck, and leap off the roof in hopes of breaking the law of gravity. However, he will quickly learn that he cannot fly; he cannot break the law of gravity, and the only thing he breaks in the end is himself, while proving the law of gravity in the process. The same is true of moral actions: a person may disobey God’s moral law through fleshly living, but he will only prove the moral law of God true by breaking himself in some way via his own behavior.

Overcoming the Flesh
The Bible provides a three-step process for overcoming the flesh and restoring oneself to a right relationship with God. The first step is a walk of honesty where a person acknowledges his sinful behavior before God. This involves agreeing with what the Bible says about everyone born of human parents: people are sinners and enter the world in a broken relationship with the God who made them:

• "If You, Lord, should mark iniquities, O Lord, who could stand?”(Psalm 130:3)

• "If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us.... If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us”(1 John 1:8, 10)

The next step is a walk in the Spirit, which involves calling out to God for salvation and receiving His Holy Spirit that empowers a person to live rightly before God and not obey the flesh’s desires. This transformation and new walk of life is described in several places in Scripture:

•“I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me." (Galatians 2:20)

• "Even so consider yourselves to be dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus."(Romans 6:11)
LTM

Sudbury, Canada

#417564 Jan 22, 2013
cont

"But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh."(Galatians 5:16)

• "For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.”(Galatians 3:27)

• "But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh in regard to its lusts."(Romans 13:14)

• "And do not get drunk with wine, for that is dissipation, but be filled with the Spirit"(Ephesians 5:18)

• "Your word I have treasured in my heart, that I may not sin against You." (Psalm 119:11)

The last step is a walk of death, where the flesh is starved of its desires so that it eventually dies. Even though a person is born again through the Spirit of God, he must understand he still possesses the old nature with its desires that war with the new nature and the desires that come from the Spirit. From a practical standpoint, the Christian purposely avoids feeding the old, fleshly nature and instead practices new behaviors that are driven by the Spirit:

• "But flee from [sinful actions], you man of God, and pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, perseverance and gentleness”(1 Timothy 6:11)

•“Now flee from youthful lusts”(2 Timothy 2:22)

• "But I discipline my body and make it my slave, so that, after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified.“(1 Corinthians 9:27)

• "Therefore consider the members of your earthly body as dead to immorality, impurity, passion, evil desire, and greed, which amounts to idolatry."(Colossians 3:5)

• "Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires."(Galatians 5:24)

• "Knowing this, that our old self was crucified with Him, in order that our body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin;"(Romans 6:6)

• "But you did not learn Christ in this way, if indeed you have heard Him and have been taught in Him, just as truth is in Jesus, that, in reference to your former manner of life, you lay aside the old self, which is being corrupted in accordance with the lusts of deceit, and that you be renewed in the spirit of your mind, and put on the new self, which in the likeness of God has been created in righteousness and holiness of the truth."(Ephesians 4:20-24)
7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#417565 Jan 22, 2013
marge wrote:
<quoted text>
your nuts the rest is 24/7 for those in Christ Jesus and no other believer is to judge you or anyone about any sabbath days.
Colossians 2:16-23

King James Version (KJV)


16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

[.....The above is talking about what God ordained and set aside as Holy not what man pick and chooses.......]

18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

19 And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.

20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,

21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;

22 Which all are to perish with the using;)[.... after the commandments and doctrines of men?.......]

23 Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body: not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.

Note: what the scriptures are really syaing:

20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,

Which all are to perish with the using;)[.... after the commandments and doctrines of men?.......]

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#417566 Jan 22, 2013
442
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, I could say that you've just declared yourself a polytheist-that you believe in more than one deity.
We don't get many polytheists here. Welcome to the board.
240 184

Scripture clearly shows Christ and God are not one and the same......Scripture erroneously interpreted that supposedly shows God and Christ as the same, makes the Bible infallible...which it is not.

What else is there to say?????
7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#417567 Jan 22, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
442
<quoted text>
240 184
Scripture clearly shows Christ and God are not one and the same......Scripture erroneously interpreted that supposedly shows God and Christ as the same, makes the Bible infallible...which it is not.
What else is there to say?????
Ox i still believe if Nature teaches us. That when Mary concieved it would have been as a Woman who is carrying an embryo and the egg split and becomes identical twins leaving one God the Father and God the Son who took on the flesh and became sin thoough he never did sin inorder that manking may be saved.

Therefore yes you are correct in that they are Two yet still as one.

In My Opinion that is the only example I can come up with.

They both carry the same SPIRIT of Truth and why Jesus is correct in saying he is the beginning and the end the alpha and omega.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#417568 Jan 22, 2013
472 240 184
Full of Love wrote:
<quoted text>
Again Oxbow,
1 John 5:7
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost:
>>>>>and these three are one.<<<<<
Oxbow,are you denying Christ is Lord?
If what you say is true,then you are saying that the Holy Bible is contradicting it's self.
So many verses say that they are one.
God was manifest in the flesh.
This,speaking of Jesus say's;
Philippians 2:6
Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
1Joh 5:7 speaks of the Holy Trinity....which is the foundation of Christianity...

Parallel verse to Phil 2:6
Joh 5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

He is said what Scripture I quoted says...that God is His Father...not that He is God!!!!!!

There it is again...in plain sight..."but said also that God was his Father".....

Thanks for your support....

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#417569 Jan 22, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
"Earth is the "Devil's realm"."
Why do you live in fear?
Have you ever seen this entity?
Is he in your neighborhood today?
Why doesn't the news media and social networks have information on this entity.
A: because this entity only exists in someone who is in fear.
Live in love, and you will never see any "bad guys".
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
The Manifestation and Struggle with the Flesh
How does the flesh manifest itself in human beings? The Bible answers the question this way: "Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God”(Galatians 5:19-21).
Examples of the flesh’s outworking in the world are evident. Consider a few sad facts taken from a recent survey on the effect of pornography in America. According to the study, every second in the U.S.:
•$3,075.64 is being spent on pornography
• 28,258 Internet users are viewing pornography
• 372 Internet users are typing adult search terms into search engines
And every 39 minutes, a new pornographic video is being created in the United States. Such statistics underscore the statement made by the prophet Jeremiah who mourned that “the heart is more deceitful than all else and is desperately sick; who can understand it?”(Jeremiah 17:9).
You avoided answering any of my questions, and you continued to post nonsense that you think is related.

Humans carry many traits that are beneficial to living a good life or a bad life. Our choices [Self/free will/being/consciousness] all play a major role in that behavorior or action.
- when one tries to play the card, "it wasn't me, it was the Devil", you know, it just doesn't fit well, in court or with the honesty of a person.

Why don't you just try to answer the questions through a bit of honesty instead of diversion or the manipulation of things that exist in this world, to become what your delusional mind is processing.

Can you prove that pornography is the product of the "devil"?

What about the smoke you intake. Many conservative fundamentalist call it "the Devil's weed". How do we know that you aren't already possessed by this entity, and all you are doing is trying to throw out a ruse to others?

As you can see from that last statement, your comments are justa s foolish as you think that they are true.

Why do you think "Paul" was more enlightened than Jesus?

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#417570 Jan 22, 2013
496
Full of Love wrote:
<quoted text>
Romans 10:11-13
For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for >>>>the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Acts 20:28
Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God,
>>>which he hath purchased with >>his own blood
John 10:30 I and my Father are one.
John 12:45 And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me.
John 14:7-10 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip?
he that hath seen me >>>>hath seen the Father;
240 184

The first parallel verse to 1Ti 3:16 is: And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: And is followed by: And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

Scripture that clearly shows Christ and God are not one and the same......Scripture erroneously interpreted that supposedly shows God and Christ as the same, makes the Bible infallible...which it is not.

What else is there to say?????

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#417571 Jan 22, 2013
7th Day Catholics Rock wrote:
<quoted text>Ox i still believe if Nature teaches us. That when Mary concieved it would have been as a Woman who is carrying an embryo and the egg split and becomes identical twins leaving one God the Father and God the Son who took on the flesh and became sin thoough he never did sin inorder that manking may be saved.
Therefore yes you are correct in that they are Two yet still as one.
In My Opinion that is the only example I can come up with.
They both carry the same SPIRIT of Truth and why Jesus is correct in saying he is the beginning and the end the alpha and omega.
Key words in your post:

"if"

"IMO"

Got any facts to back up the speculation? Physical evidence is the best - like a video, a written account that has been dated through scholarship to be of the same time period, or a contemporary source of the same time period.

Whatcha got?
7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#417572 Jan 22, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Key words in your post:
"if"
"IMO"
Got any facts to back up the speculation? Physical evidence is the best - like a video, a written account that has been dated through scholarship to be of the same time period, or a contemporary source of the same time period.
Whatcha got?
The Fact that we exist and yes Nature does teach us.

I don't like you so none of my post will ever be directed at you period. Should have made that clear the last encounter.

You put man over God/Jesus ?
Jen

Lancaster, PA

#417573 Jan 22, 2013
Oxbow...

Jesus was in the beginning with God and the Holy Spirit, they are all one, Triune God, the Holy Trinity...

Yes, when Christ was on earth, His Father was in heaven, as Christ was made man for our deliverance, He became the Lamb that was slaughtered on our behalf, and took on the sins of the entire world, past, present, future...

Then the Holy Spirit was sent here for us to be able to even have any spiritual awakening at all...the Holy Spirit is here...He wont be here for the tribulation though, so for those left it will be totally hard for them to come to know God...

the Word is infallible

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