Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#417523 Jan 22, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
Done a few minutes ago for another poster.
The Church makes the decisions via the Magisterium, etc. No, they do not take a popular vote. What's the "conundrum"? A popular vote on doctrine assures an intrinsically "better" outcome?
Keep asking the questions you don't understand Dan.

Better yet - go research those questions.

Magisterium - originates with men

"Catholic theology divides the functions of the teaching office of the Church into two categories: the infallible sacred magisterium and the fallible ordinary magisterium. The infallible sacred magisterium includes the extraordinary declarations of the pope speaking ex cathedra and of ecumenical councils (traditionally expressed in conciliar creeds, canons, and decrees), as well as of the ordinary and universal magisterium. Despite its name, the "ordinary and universal magisterium" falls under the infallible sacred magisterium, and in fact is the usual manifestation of the infallibility of the Church, the decrees of popes and councils being "extraordinary". "

Dan, why do you think believe men over Jesus?

*lifts up a flaming hoop*

I betcha you can jump through this too, if you believe you can.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#417524 Jan 22, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
Done a few minutes ago for another poster.
The Church makes the decisions via the Magisterium, etc. No, they do not take a popular vote. What's the "conundrum"? A popular vote on doctrine assures an intrinsically "better" outcome?
BTW - that isn't what I asked.

I asked you to provide an infallible teaching.

But again, you chose to divert.

You are good at that.

Runaway.

You and Oxbow have more in common than what you realize.

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#417525 Jan 22, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
I disagree.
The number is not specific.
Please list the "at least three books" you think exist.
Please be specific.
Thanks!
NASL

REV 20:14

And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Since there were "books" and "another book"...., that means there were at least 3 books.....It could have been more....

One of the books was called the book of life. The others, I wouldn't speculate on....

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#417526 Jan 22, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
Better question-
Why do you think that I'm subject to your interpretation of scripture?
Are you chuck?
Diversion. But you seem to do this with every poster.

Why?

You aren't subject to anyone, Dan. Those just shows you are using and itilizing your "Self" - something your supposed belief doesn't accept.

Welcome to my world "heretic".

Why don't you beleive Jesus?

Why do you think "Paul" was more enlightened than Jesus?

Why do you only accept less than six of the original 13 Apostles?

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#417527 Jan 22, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, it is a process of recognition.
Should they abandon it?
Yes, because the title is only applicable here in this plane of existence.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#417528 Jan 22, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
You do know the difference between stating a fact, versus stating a belief, right?
Do you have proof for your claim?
I didn't think so either.
Please stop misleading others with unfounded claims.
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, if they are people who believe in God, they are among the faithful. They'd self-identify as such.
This isn't at issue, is it?
No proof, just more diversions.

*sighs*

Is this how you go through life?
marge

Ames, IA

#417529 Jan 22, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
What part fo "His word" places you or me in charge of limiting God's power to do things?
That's not what I meant, what you can and should do if you claim to be His follower is tell others about God's power according to the written Word without adding or taking away from it.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#417530 Jan 22, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
The "heaven" part,
I get it.
I'm operating on the assumption that no one on the board has been to haaven and come back to report.
I'll be clear henceforth.
This is a start.
LTM

Sudbury, Canada

#417531 Jan 22, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
The altar call story. Thrilling. Christ, reduced to some schoolboy suitor knocking on the door of your heart and you finally let Him in.
I asked "what day do you go to Heaven", assuming we're corresponding on the temporal plane.
I didn't mention an alter call Dan, I was sitting in my seat in church.
It was the Holy Spirit working on the inside of me.
I hadn't cried in years held everything inside. Sat by myself never talked to anyone etc.
I was very much aloner never trusted anyone.
I got upset about something in church, and started to cry .
Once I started to cry I cried for a month steady, that day in church was just the start of it.
Did you know the Holy Spirit pursues us Dan, for me it started from the time I was 3 years old and up till I was 34 before I made Jesus my Lord and Savior, when God's time was right he knew what the out come would be. He knew before time began.
I know you believe what your church says Dan, I believe what the Bible says.
It took me years before I could sit in a church and look at the man in the pulpit to make an alter call hardly, I don't like the idea of someone putting their hands on me that I don't know.
God took a hold of me right in my pew,very sinner on this earth has got to learn to love themselves Dan its a command of Gods.
2nd commandment.
"Love your neighbour! as yourself."
It doesn't say your neighbour has to be perfect, nor does it say you have to be perfect.
'YET WHILE WE WERE SINNERS JESUS DIED FOR US, BECAUSE GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD' that means everyone.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#417532 Jan 22, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
I never said that non-Catholis can't get to heaven.
Ever.
Not in so many words.

"come home" seems to be a likable saying with you Catholics.

Your home is not where Jesus placed his heart - neither should anyone else.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#417533 Jan 22, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Claiming he cured someone of Parkinsons, which allowed him to be part of the beatification process.
Unless, he surgically removed the person's brain cells, and revamped them, then placed them back into the person's head.
http://rense.com/general8/park.htm
I doubt JP2 had any medical training at all, let alone brain surgery.
To claim such a feat, is bullshite.
When did the Pope claim this miracle himself?

That would be the citation I'm looking for from chuck.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#417534 Jan 22, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, because the title is only applicable here in this plane of existence.
OK.

They operate in the temporal plane, but fine.
Clay

United States

#417535 Jan 22, 2013
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
Anthony, you have been shown proof of just the opposite of what you just posted from bibcal scriptures God's true Holy Word.
God declare no human leader over His church .
That is not bibical, we are lead by the Holy Spirit, Jesus Himself said He would never leave nor forsaken us.
The problem is not mine it is yours Anthony, don't try and make it mine.
If your Bishop is not born from above through the power of the Holy Spirit, he is not of God and can not know the things of God.
Which makes him spiritual dead.
Is John Paul II in hell I don't know, that is none of my business that is between him and God.
I hope not, I don't wish hell on anyone Dan, but neither has your Pope have the right to say who goes to hell or heaven, and not amount of money can buy a person into heaven.
I'm honored you think Anthony wrote my post.

Tell me LTM, why do you think Jesus gave Peter the keys? Why did He tell Peter to feed His sheep?

We obviously know from the Bible, there was at least one Vicar of Christ. You guys just disagree that the keys were passed to the next generation.
right?
You keep saying you're led by the Holy Spirit. But none of you lead the same. That doesn't add up..

also, no Pope has ever declared someone to be in Hell.. not even Hitler.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#417536 Jan 22, 2013
Full of Love wrote:
<quoted text>
What I am trying to do out of love is show him that they are the same.
I care about Oxbow and everyone else.
Instead of saying what you just said,why not agree with me on the subject of the trinity?
You do believe they are the same right?
If so,then don't you think he needs to be shown proof in the scriptures?
The scriptures that I have posted are what the RCC uses to prove they are one.
I can read and see proof in God's Holy Word.
Sure I believe in the Trinity.

Oxbow's seen the same scriptures you have and concluded as he has written using those self-same scriptures.

He's made his own proof.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#417537 Jan 22, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Not in so many words.
"come home" seems to be a likable saying with you Catholics.
Your home is not where Jesus placed his heart - neither should anyone else.
Not in any words.

It IS a likeable saying. I particularly like the Lou Holtz ad.

"Come home" hardly seems an indictment of those not "home", does it?
Dan

Omaha, NE

#417538 Jan 22, 2013
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
I didn't mention an alter call Dan, I was sitting in my seat in church.
It was the Holy Spirit working on the inside of me.
I hadn't cried in years held everything inside. Sat by myself never talked to anyone etc.
I was very much aloner never trusted anyone.
I got upset about something in church, and started to cry .
Once I started to cry I cried for a month steady, that day in church was just the start of it.
Did you know the Holy Spirit pursues us Dan, for me it started from the time I was 3 years old and up till I was 34 before I made Jesus my Lord and Savior, when God's time was right he knew what the out come would be. He knew before time began.
I know you believe what your church says Dan, I believe what the Bible says.
It took me years before I could sit in a church and look at the man in the pulpit to make an alter call hardly, I don't like the idea of someone putting their hands on me that I don't know.
God took a hold of me right in my pew,very sinner on this earth has got to learn to love themselves Dan its a command of Gods.
2nd commandment.
"Love your neighbour! as yourself."
It doesn't say your neighbour has to be perfect, nor does it say you have to be perfect.
'YET WHILE WE WERE SINNERS JESUS DIED FOR US, BECAUSE GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD' that means everyone.
My mistake.

A "pew call".
LTM

Sudbury, Canada

#417539 Jan 22, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
"Earth is the "Devil's realm"."
Why do you live in fear?
Have you ever seen this entity?
Is he in your neighborhood today?
Why doesn't the news media and social networks have information on this entity.
A: because this entity only exists in someone who is in fear.
Live in love, and you will never see any "bad guys".
"GOD" throw satan out of Heaven and made him god of the earthly realm.
I have seen a man possessed by demons NASL .
Dan

Omaha, NE

#417540 Jan 22, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
BTW - that isn't what I asked.
I asked you to provide an infallible teaching.
But again, you chose to divert.
You are good at that.
Runaway.
You and Oxbow have more in common than what you realize.
I sent a list to chuck.

Today I did it.

Did you not see it?

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#417541 Jan 22, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
The number is not specific.
Please list the "at least three books" you think exist.
Please be specific.
Thanks!
Robert F wrote:
<quoted text>
NASL
REV 20:14
And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Since there were "books" and "another book"...., that means there were at least 3 books.....It could have been more....
One of the books was called the book of life. The others, I wouldn't speculate on....
Yes, one is called the "Book of Life"....and the "others" are not listed.

In honesty, you are correct, you cannot speculate on them, because you do not know the specifics.

Why would "God" leave out these specifics, if indeed "John" is "inspired"?

It doesn't have any logic to it at all, yet many will wrap their lives around the "Book of Life", speculating this and that.

Can you be honest enough to say, "there isn't enough information to justify that there are multiple books, so I really don't know what to believe in this regard.

But, on the other hand, you promote the "Book of Life" as if you are/will be part of it.

Book of Life - as men have determined
"In Christianity and Judaism, the Book of Life (Hebrew: &#1505;&#1508;&#15 12; &#1492;&#1495;&#14 97;&#1497;&#1501;, transliterated Sefer HaChaim) is the book in which God records the names of every person who is destined for Heaven or the World to Come. According to the Talmud it is open on Rosh Hashanah, as is its analog for the wicked, the Book of the Dead. For this reason extra mention is made for the Book of Life during Amidah recitations during the Days of Awe, the ten days between Rosh Hashanah, the Jewish new year, and Yom Kippur, the day of atonement (the two High Holidays, particularly in the prayer Unetaneh Tokef)."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Life

Don't you just love how men can dictate what others are to believe?

Why don't you believe Jesus when he says:
(3) Jesus says:

(1) "If those who lead you say to you:‘Look, the kingdom is in the sky!’
then the birds of the sky will precede you.
(2) If they say to you:‘It is in the sea,’ then the fishes will precede you.
(3) Rather, the kingdom is inside of you, and outside of you."
(4) "When you come to know yourselves, then you will be known,
and you will realize that you are the children of the living Father.
(5) But if you do not come to know yourselves, then you exist in poverty, and you are poverty."

Don't you think doing this, will ensure your spot in the "Book of Life"?

How does any human know that "God" even has this book, if:

a. No.
- The Book of Life is mentioned throughout the Scriptures: Exodus 32:32; Daniel 12:1; Luke 10:10; Philippians 4:3; Revelation 3:5; 13:8; 17:8; 20:12; 20:15.
- Luke 10:10 - has no reference to such a book, nor is it spoken of by Jesus

Why do you believe men over Jesus?
LTM

Sudbury, Canada

#417542 Jan 22, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm honored you think Anthony wrote my post.
Tell me LTM, why do you think Jesus gave Peter the keys? Why did He tell Peter to feed His sheep?
We obviously know from the Bible, there was at least one Vicar of Christ. You guys just disagree that the keys were passed to the next generation.
right?
You keep saying you're led by the Holy Spirit. But none of you lead the same. That doesn't add up..
also, no Pope has ever declared someone to be in Hell.. not even Hitler.
The Gospel of Jesus Christ was given to us all not just Peter.
Without the Baptism of the Holy Spirit Clay re-birth you will not get into the KIngdom of Heaven.
What do you know of the keys of heaven can only be learned through the Holy Spirit who teaches us all things.
Because everyone who worships God must walk in the Spirit not in the Flesh.
The Spirit is willing but the flesh is weak because it is of this earth, the Spirit is from above.

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