Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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marge

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Jan 21, 2013
 
Ephesians 1:13-14

And now you Gentiles have also heard the truth, the Good News that God saves you. And when you believed in Christ, he identified you as his own by giving you the Holy Spirit, whom he promised long ago.

The Spirit is God's guarantee that he will give us the inheritance he promised and that he has purchased us to be his own people. He did this so we would praise and glorify him.

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#417140
Jan 21, 2013
 
Oxbow wrote:
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"..and yet - Jesus never called himself "God", but you believe that."
If I could understand what you are trying to say I would respond....
PLAIN AND SIMPLE for you Rabbi.

Jesus never called himself "God", so why should you.

We've gone over all of this before.
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Jan 21, 2013
 
Clay wrote:
Good info.
These goofballs keep saying "Inquisition Crusades Inquisition Crusades .. "
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But they don't have a clue about actual history. They are only repeating what their fanatical websites slander us with.
"Actual history"?
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The Crusades were medieval wars. I believe there was a total of 9?
"medieval wars"?
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The first was launched because Muslims conquered Jerusalem and slaughtered thousands of Catholics.
"The FIRST was launched ..."
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This concept of *first* means a lot to you, doesn't it, Clay?
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"...Muslims conquered Jerusalem and slaughtered thousands of Catholics."
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But YOU seem to forget that Catholics were there *first*- in the Holy Land - murdering and fomenting war throughout the region! So, just who was *first*? Does Constantine ring a bell?
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They occupied the Church at the site of the Crucifixion.
They were tired of the Catholic Church *first* murdering their people so they fought back.
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This was the final straw for the Church and 10,000 Catholics volunteered to counter attack.
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"This was the final straw for the Church..."
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The final straw for the native people of the region - 300 years AFTER Constantine *first* waged war in God's Name - came in the form of Muhammad who created Islam to fight back against the Catholics who had been shedding innocent blood there *first*- for 300 years.
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I've posted these links before, but you ignore them; look at the birth dates of these two individuals to see who was born *first*:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantine_the_...
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad
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Anyway, there is no comparison in what Protestants have done to Catholics.
No. There is no comparison! The Catholics have been at it 1500 years longer since they were there *first*.
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They've slaughtered millions of innocents.
They fought back against the Catholics who *first* did the slaughtering! It's instinct to fight back against murderers; it is the *first* thing normal victims do.
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England banned Catholicism as a whole and killed anyone caught celebrating the Mass!
They fought back against the religion that had *first* been killing and murdering in God's Holy Name.
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Untold numbers of Priests went missing all over the British colonies and Ireland.
Maybe the priests went missing because they had *first* molested altar boys?
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The Catholic church is *first* in a lot of things ... but it is not *first* in following Jesus Christ in TRUTH!
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To prove this to yourself, simply go to your concordance and look up Jesus' use of the word *first*

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Jan 21, 2013
 
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And what bible is that?????
I gave you link to the Codex Sinaiticus.

Which is the earliest known bible in the hands of humans. The Codex Vaticanus is also fromt he 4th C.

Sianiaticus --
"The codex is an Alexandrian text-type manuscript written in the 4th century in uncial letters on parchment."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codex_Sinaiticus

Vatcinus --
"It is written on 759 leaves of vellum in uncial letters and has been dated palaeographically to the 4th century"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codex_Vaticanus

Circa 4th C.

KJV = circa 17th century.

Are you this ignorant of your religion?
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Jan 21, 2013
 
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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....and yet - Jesus never called himself "God", but you believe that.
You are confused on what the Bible means.
Well, considering it is incomplete, I can see your error. The same one made by many others before you.
Psalm 82:6-7
6 “I said,‘You are “gods”;
you are all sons of the Most High.’
7 But you will die like mere mortals;
you will fall like every other ruler.”
You may have overlooked...

http://bible.cc/john/8-58.htm
http://bible.cc/luke/10-18.htm
Questions?
http://avemariaradio.net/catholic-online-radi...
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The only way for Catholics to even think they refute the truth -- chant and attack all others. But above all, ignore the facts on the ground.
zzzzzzzzzzz
The "only reason" that you Protestant "bible only buffoons" are on this Catholic Forum is to attack our personal faith and Salvation in Jesus Christ and His One (and only) True Apostolic Catholic, PROVEN, AUTHENTICATED AND VERIFIED for over 2000 years, both biblically and historically.---You came here (with vengeance) searching for Catholics to condemn, pass your personal opinionated judgement, hate and hostile "venom" against Jesus' ONLY True Church which was, is and will (always) be One Universal Catholic Church. The fact is that there is "not one Catholic" on this forum,(or ANYWHERE) that would "go searching" for a Protestant topix forum with the "one and only intent" of trying to attack the faith of Protestants. WHY?? Because there is "no need too"! We ALREADY have the TRUTH of the TRUE INTERPRETATION of the bible and of the words of Jesus HIMSELF--in Matthew 16:13-21 regarding HIS One True Church and the TRUE WORDS of Jesus in the Eucharist __John 6:47-59 regarding His "true body" and "true blood". AGAIN---we already "have the TRUTH" and you Protestants have been "rejecting "the TRUTH"" over and over again,(using your own "personal appointed" Popes for over 500 years. We, as Catholics< already "KNOW, possess, and adhere to the FULLNESS OF THE FAITH and the FULLNESS OF THE TRUTH, in and through Jesus Christ, in the Church that Our Lord (formed, and initiated) which is HIS One True Catholic Church. Until you come to TRUE SALVATION in Jesus Christ (in and through His One True Church, you will (continue) to remain on the outside of the TRUTH "always looking in"!!!!!

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Disciple wrote:
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Wrong!
The biggest charity is the US federal government with 50M followers on food stamps alone. Not counting free medical and education for illegals and too many other entitlements to list.
BIG D, You are incorrect again! Read my post again, I said Christian Charity. You do know that the government is not a Christian origination, right?

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(LOL) Maybe you should go back a little further in religious history than 2,000 years ago and learn about pagan trinities. Learn that the core belief of many man/gods was the same core beliefs that christianity teaches today.
...What Pagan beliefs shared with each other and with Christianity was not myths but religious ideas—basic notions about the shape of the universe, the existance and relevance of stars, the human soul and its eternal destiny, and about Gods and their powers and place in the universe. The Christian and Pagan myths are similar because they were made up to fit religious ideas that are very similar.
A thousand years before Jesus, pagan believers were practicing the very same customs and core beliefs that christianity copied from them 10 centuries later.
Heaven, hell, prophechies, trinities, baptisms, sacrificial meal

with a man/god, eternal salvation, god dying and returning, are all customs/traditions that were practiced long before Jesus was a twinkle in the eye of St Paul.
Christianity is NOT THE FIRST religion that had a trinity.
http://www.sabbathcovenant.com/doctrine/pagan...
For a pagan like you, you would believe all this.[LOL]
Maybe you should go back to Catholic School and try to learn the real Truth!!

They might have had other gods but not Divine!!! gods that could nothing for them.

Christ converts pagans!!

Michael there is ONLY ONE TRUE GOD in The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Chuck wrote:
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Normal folks who believed and accepted what the apostles taught, and normal folks, who if they rejected it, were cast out of the Church and called heretics unless they repented.
**yeah just what I said...normal folks like you and me.
Tell me how I'm wrong?
**you're a catholic
Cute.

According to your beliefs David Koresh is in heaven. No? Why not?

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March for Life - Washington DC 1.25.13

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Anthony MN wrote:
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Cute.
According to your beliefs David Koresh is in heaven. No? Why not?
I don't know if he's in Heaven. If I had to say one way or the other I would say no. I really don't think you're sincere about wanting to know why but we both know why he's probably not so we'll leave it at that...k
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Anthony MN wrote:
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Cute.
According to your beliefs David Koresh is in heaven. No? Why not?
so we agree the saints Paul spoke of were folks like you and I so why aren't they on the catholic saint list?

Do you think someone who denies Christ 3 times is a better Christian than say a Christian of today?

**You ever told someone 3 times in a row you don't know Christ Tony??
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<quoted text>"goofballs"?
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"Actual history"?
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"medieval wars"?
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"The FIRST was launched ..."
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This concept of *first* means a lot to you, doesn't it, Clay?
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"...Muslims conquered Jerusalem and slaughtered thousands of Catholics."
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But YOU seem to forget that Catholics were there *first*- in the Holy Land - murdering and fomenting war throughout the region! So, just who was *first*? Does Constantine ring a bell?
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They were tired of the Catholic Church *first* murdering their people so they fought back.
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"This was the final straw for the Church..."
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The final straw for the native people of the region - 300 years AFTER Constantine *first* waged war in God's Name - came in the form of Muhammad who created Islam to fight back against the Catholics who had been shedding innocent blood there *first*- for 300 years.
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I've posted these links before, but you ignore them; look at the birth dates of these two individuals to see who was born *first*:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantine_the_...
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad
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No. There is no comparison! The Catholics have been at it 1500 years longer since they were there *first*.
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They fought back against the Catholics who *first* did the slaughtering! It's instinct to fight back against murderers; it is the *first* thing normal victims do.
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They fought back against the religion that had *first* been killing and murdering in God's Holy Name.
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Maybe the priests went missing because they had *first* molested altar boys?
Ok, I didn't ignore your links this time. I read them and I didn't see anything that backs up your baseless opinion that Muslims were retaliating against Catholic violence, before the Crusades.

I didn't see anything about Constantine waging war on behalf of Catholicism either. Did he go to war? Yup. for religion or politics? Politics.
Against Muslims? No.

You're nuts Guest.
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RCC Superior BS - BUSTED wrote:
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Hey Jethro, sorry I was not clear.
I don't think offering opinion backed by links -- all relevant to the board topic is "bashing" anyone.
If the complainers don't want facts and opinion 100% on board topic, they really should not be here. All their talk of "bashing and hatred" is just one more form of denial. For example, if you were to post this link:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/pope-be...
It addresses your statement directly and is 100% on board topic.
But the whiners will cry "hatred."
No problem. The Pope is welcome to forget diplomatic immunity and to allow a full and independent investigation. The whiners will be vindicated and the world will move on.
I am told that will happen when pigs learn to fly.
Oh My and here Peanut aka as ReginaM was concerned about the Baptist just a day or two ago. Looks like she better consult with Pope Benny first on how he is going to deal with his brother before she cast stones at others. Oh My My My !!!!

Peanut let us know what kind of advice he gives will you PLEASE ?
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Chuck wrote:
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I don't know if he's in Heaven. If I had to say one way or the other I would say no. I really don't think you're sincere about wanting to know why but we both know why he's probably not so we'll leave it at that...k
I agree that we don't know, but the precepts you hold says HE IS. So you're not really OSAS are you?

My theology says he's not, unless he was somehow able to make things right with the Lord before the flames got him.

There was another protestant poster here, disciple I think, who changed his mind about OSAS. I hope you consider it.
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Jan 21, 2013
 
Oxbow wrote:
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You have no way of knowing how many, if any, Catholics use this Bible.
It is pope approved...are you saying the pope does not speak for the church?????
It's approved for private use only...it's not approved for the Mass and is not the translation from which the Church teaches.

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Jan 21, 2013
 
Fun Facts wrote:
Oh, I didn't overlook these passages - but you did.

You overlooked the point that these were written by John and Luke, not Jesus.

Do you have something written exclusively by Jesus?

Do you have anything, with him saying - "I am God."

Why do you have to mislead others?

Why don't you beleive Jesus when he stated:

(3) Jesus says:

(1) "If those who lead you say to you:‘Look, the kingdom is in the sky!’
then the birds of the sky will precede you.
(2) If they say to you:‘It is in the sea,’ then the fishes will precede you.
(3) Rather, the kingdom is inside of you, and outside of you."
(4) "When you come to know yourselves, then you will be known,
and you will realize that you are the children of the living Father.
(5) But if you do not come to know yourselves, then you exist in poverty, and you are poverty."

http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/gth_pat_rob.htm

You do believe what Jesus said, right?
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Only Clay's mind is closed.
2013...
Cash only at the Vatican now.
http://rendezvous.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/01/0...
"Since Wednesday, museums and businesses in the Holy See have been declining credit card and debit card purchases following a decision by the Bank of Italy that is reportedly linked to concerns over inadequate money-laundering controls.
Cash machines have also been shut down after the Italian central bank refused authorization for Deutsche Bank’s Italian unit to continue operating services it provided within the Vatican’s walls."
2012....
http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/a-...
2010...
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/12/12/money-l...
This goes on and on, back to the 1980s at least.
Goofy Catholics in denial again.
2013 -- BUSTED
2012 -- Busted
2010 -- Busted
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1980 -- Busted
The Roman Catholic Church is well known for their CREATIVE WRITTING so it should be no big deal for them to cover up the money launding and get rid of any paper trails etc.
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Chuck wrote:
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so we agree the saints Paul spoke of were folks like you and I so why aren't they on the catholic saint list?
Do you think someone who denies Christ 3 times is a better Christian than say a Christian of today?
**You ever told someone 3 times in a row you don't know Christ Tony??
Actually "folks like you and me" means they were human beings subject to sin and temptation like us. They were not like you and me living the same comfortable and carefree 21st century lives.

When was the last time someone held a gun to your head and told you if you admit to being a Christian he'd pull the trigger? Pretty easy feeling secure in your faith while sitting in your comfy chair with no threat to your life isn't it?

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Fun Facts wrote:
Christianity 101 for Fun Facts:

John 8:58 - Jesus is talking about the Spirit.
"I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!"
- the Spirit is eternal. Yours, mine, Jesus'

Strike one.

Luke 10:18
"He replied, "I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven."
- nothing to do with Jesus.

Strike two.

Why did you think that these passages had anything to do with Jesus being "God", when they clearly have no bearing at all.

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