Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ. Full Story
Clay

United States

#417245 Jan 21, 2013
chuck wrote:
<quoted text>
how about the Christian who was killed a couple days ago in Hong Kong because he proclaim
Christ as his savior?
not a saint because he wasn't crucified upside down for Christ?
You're a clown
You don't have to be Catholic to be a Saint. You just have to be in Heaven. There are plenty of non Catholics up there.
hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#417246 Jan 21, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
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WE EVANGELICALS DID NOT CREATE THIS FORUM.
IF YOU ROMAN CATHOLIC ATTACKS WERE NOT DAILY AGAINST US
For "once" (and only once) you are correct!! You did not create this forum---but the fact is that you "came on" this Catholic forum, for "one purpose only"!! To attack, condemn and pass your (bible only) anti-catholic heretical judgment against (not only us Catholics) but against OTHER CHRISTIANS (even Protestants) who disagree with your interpretation (or better yet MISINTERPRETATION of the bible........Any Catholic attacks against you Protestants, have been intitiated and instigated by Protestants like you, who live and preach your "half-truth, half-heresy" Christianity (not to preach the (ecumentical) Gospel of Jesus, but to "degrade, rip, condemn and attack other Christians. I know the Protestant judgmental "game" (against Catholics) ALL TO WELL!...It is the "major part" of your bible only teaching, indoctrination and propaganda beliefs!!You CANNOT EXIST without it!!! Which has been proven, over and over and over again, on this forum by the comments you make.
7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#417247 Jan 21, 2013
The WLC Team firmly believes that the end of all things will be in the next few years. In Daniel and Revelation we have been given many details warning about the end to prevent any from being taken by surprise. Revelation 17:13 foretells that when John Paul II appears again (impersonated by one of Satan’s devils), all world leaders will grant him their power and authority. Sovereignty will be superseded by necessity. All nations will agree to global governance because of severe economic hardship and general chaos. This is why the current economic global crisis will continue to worsen, setting the stage for the beast power to extend its control as never before in its long history. After the re-emergence of Pope John Paul II, the revived beast power will employ every power within its reach to prevent Yahuwah’s people from observing the true seventh-day Sabbath. To this end, news is published which highlights the fulfillment of prophecies around us. We pray that this will help to awaken His people from their stupor, so that the needed repentance and conversion will be pursued

http://www.worldslastchance.com/prophecy-in-n...
Clay

United States

#417248 Jan 21, 2013
7th Day Catholics Rock wrote:
<quoted text>Nope theses folks said so. Never read dear Ellens books but maybe I should.
We celebrate Sunday instead of Saturday, because the Catholic Church has transferred the sacredness from Saturday to Sunday at the council of Laodicea in the year of 364 AD." The Converts Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, from P. Geiermann, the work of Pope Pius X, on 1-25-1910
According to the Roman Catholic Church 'Sunday' is their distinct and distinguished mark of authority.
"Sunday is our mark of authority. The church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact." The Catholic Record, London, Ontario, September 1, 1923
"The observance of Sunday by Protestants is an homage they pay, in spite of themselves, to the authority of the (Catholic) Church." Plain Talk About the Protestantism of Today, by Monsignor Segur, p. 213
"But the Protestant mind does not seem to realize that in...observing the Sunday... they are accepting the authority of the spokesman for the church, the pope." Our Sunday Visitor, Catholic weekly, Feb. 5, 1950
"Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change was her act... a mark of her ecclesiastical power and authority in religious matters." Office of Cardinal Gibbons, through Chancellor C. F. Thomas, Nov. 11, 1895
But I just showed you a direct quote from an early Church father who describes gathering on Sunday for the Mass in 155 AD?
Why do you insist it was established in 364 AD?
preston

Waverly, OH

#417249 Jan 21, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
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If we look at the ring and the fancy duds ...there is no one on earth (that supposed to represent God ) the has more fanfare and showmanship then the pope..
I have not witnessed any one kissing The ring that Benny Hinn is wearing, or bowing down to him.
Neither have I seen him dressed in a as flashy-er garb as the pope and
the cardinals wear.
Rev Hinn doesn't wear a duck bill hat either., nor does he have the zillions of $000000000 at his disposal.
He has to depend upon freewill offerings and gifts from his followers, for His support.
The expenses of His ministry runs into the millions monthly..
Evidently there are those that believe Rev Hinn is for real, or they
would not support Him as they do...
He does not have all his expenses paid by a global organization..as the pope does...and he evidently does a far greater work and wins more souls that are saved and healed than the pope...
get off of your soap box. ben hen never says anything about people getting Saved and you know it. his shows(which are all they are)are a farce and are contemptible to REAL Christians. he needs those millions to cover his large ego, and it is a shame for someone who claims to be a minister to support this charlatan.

now jump on me all you wish, you gave your biased opinion of him because he speaks with a forked tongue, I give my unbiased opine because of that forked tongue of his.

Benny Hinn: Charging to Hear Him Preach
Posted on July 2, 2009 by Chrystal Whitt Benny Hinn maintains that while people may not like to hear him talk about money, money is necessary to do “God’s work.”

Hinn recently lost $2 million on his crusades to Uganda. In the article you can read by clicking here, Hinn apparently has no qualms about charging an entrance fee to get in, which amounts to fifty American dollars. Does this show that Hinn’s passion is God’s Word, or turning a profit?

He laments a loss of revenue, not need of the gospel. When God commissioned the disciples to preach, He didn’t ask that they starve. The Apostle Paul even said that if you preach the gospel, you should make your living from the gospel (1 Corinthians 9:14), meaning they were given support by the church. God didn’t expect them to go without food or clothing. However, Paul did not always excercise this right for fear of hindering the gospel.

What a far cry is the contrast between Benny Hinn and the Apostle Paul. Benny Hinn’s motivation is to make money…the Apostle Paul’s passion was the gospel and edifying the church. Benny Hinn has no problem with taking money from people to turn a profit; the Apostle Paul took nothing for the sake of the gospel. See the contrast?

It is never okay to charge an entrance fee and justify it by saying it takes money to spread the gospel. The face of greed is an ugly sight, isn’t it?

http://slaughteringthesheep.wordpress.com/200...
Clay

United States

#417250 Jan 21, 2013
7th Day Catholics Rock wrote:
The WLC Team firmly believes that the end of all things will be in the next few years. In Daniel and Revelation we have been given many details warning about the end to prevent any from being taken by surprise. Revelation 17:13 foretells that when John Paul II appears again (impersonated by one of Satan’s devils), all world leaders will grant him their power and authority. Sovereignty will be superseded by necessity. All nations will agree to global governance because of severe economic hardship and general chaos. This is why the current economic global crisis will continue to worsen, setting the stage for the beast power to extend its control as never before in its long history. After the re-emergence of Pope John Paul II, the revived beast power will employ every power within its reach to prevent Yahuwah’s people from observing the true seventh-day Sabbath. To this end, news is published which highlights the fulfillment of prophecies around us. We pray that this will help to awaken His people from their stupor, so that the needed repentance and conversion will be pursued
http://www.worldslastchance.com/prophecy-in-n...
Are you F#*%in kidding me??
Pope John Paul comes back to Earth as the Anti Christ??

wow.
preston

Waverly, OH

#417251 Jan 21, 2013
and a very good response from Denise.

Denise says:
July 3, 2009 at 12:01 pm
Very sad, and pathetic really, that anyone should charge a fee to hear Truth. However, I suppose the flip side is that since ol’ Hinn isn’t giving the gospel (he hasn’t a clue what that is), then his charging them is really for entertainment (a night of magic).*wink*

I think there is some merit to the notion that there should be NO CHARGE when Scripture is being taught…not at conferences, not at seminars, not at “special” evenings at church with a guest speaker, not at debates. Either feed the sheep without charge, or take the label hireling, you know?

Taking care of pastors is biblical (even then, they need to be careful of expectations and not be a burden to the sheep), but charging people to get into the door to hear Truth is absolutely atrocious.

Keep standing for Biblical Truth!=)

Perhaps its time Americans stop expecting bells and whistles and get down to the simplicity and purity of the Gospel. Demanding entertainment (aka “Christian” worship), and “famous” Christians, is not biblical Christianity. Perhaps if Christians valued the local church more than it does, he’d have less of this nonsense.

creflo dollar; the word of God aint free.

he is right,however the price was paid on the cross of Calvary. the laborer is worthy of his hire, but that doesnt give them the authority to beg for millions of dollars every week on TV.

GIF, you are wrong, very wrong to defend this idiot like you do publicly ALL of the time.

why dont you man up and speak out against this charlatan? for is milking millions off of ignorant and illadvised people who probably cant afford it but do so in the false hope that he gives to those who are gullible
preston

Waverly, OH

#417252 Jan 21, 2013
this is so pathetic that any person could be so STUPID to listen and/or follow this creap.

"My, you know, whoosh! The Holy Ghost is just showing me some stuff. I'm getting dizzy! I'm telling you the truth - it's, it's just heavy right now on me... He's [Jesus] in the underworld now. God isn't there, the Holy Ghost isn't there, and the Bible says He was begotten. Do you know what the word begotten means? It means reborn. Do you want another shocker? Have you been begotten? So was He. Don't let anyone deceive you. Jesus was reborn. You say,'What are you talking about?'... He was reborn. He had to be reborn... If He was not reborn, I could not be reborn, I would never be reborn. How can I face Jesus and say,'Jesus, You went through everything I've gone through, except the new birth?'" (Benny Hinn, Our Position 'In Christ,' Part 1 (Orlando, FL: Orlando Christian Center, 1991), videotape #TV-254.)

"He [Jesus] who is righteous by choice said,'The only way I can stop sin is by Me becoming it. I can't just stop it by letting it touch Me; I and it must become one.' Hear this! He who is the nature of God became the nature of Satan where He became sin! " (TBN, 12/1/90).
http://www.endtime-prophets.com/wofanothergos...

didnt Karen speak out against someone claiming teh other day that jesus was "reborn"?

Karen are u still on here?
preston

Waverly, OH

#417253 Jan 21, 2013
I think that I would start on cleaning my own house(doctrine and beliefs) before I started on another group of people.

If I were some people.hint, hint
ReginaM

Jackson, NJ

#417254 Jan 21, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
But I just showed you a direct quote from an early Church father who describes gathering on Sunday for the Mass in 155 AD?
Why do you insist it was established in 364 AD?
Because he's not a Christian so he's ignorant of the history of Christianity. Come to think of it, he's pretty ignorant in general. That's why the folks here give him so many 'nuts'.

He doesn't think Jesus is God. He thinks He's the archangel Michael or some such nonsense. He's SDA, pretty much the same as JWs. He informs his faith from internet whore sites, crazy cult junk, LOL! He's a nut job.
preston

Waverly, OH

#417255 Jan 21, 2013
Yahuwa...

WHO IN THE WORLD IS THIS SUPPOSED TO BE?

AbraUW" or "YAHUWan" is the original language and Wordful (righteous) People of the Scriptures. It means "the language/People/Seed of Abraham who follow YAHUWAH". It is misnamed "Paleo-Hebrew" or "Jewish" by most scholars since the words "Hebrew" and "Jew" are only 400 years old and are both actually "curse words" (breaking the 3rd Commandment), vanatizing (treating it as unimportant, useless) and belittling the Almighty's Eternal Saving Name--"YAHUWAH!"

http://www.kingdomofyah.org/
preston

Waverly, OH

#417256 Jan 21, 2013
ReginaM wrote:
<quoted text>
Because he's not a Christian so he's ignorant of the history of Christianity. Come to think of it, he's pretty ignorant in general. That's why the folks here give him so many 'nuts'.
He doesn't think Jesus is God. He thinks He's the archangel Michael or some such nonsense. He's SDA, pretty much the same as JWs. He informs his faith from internet whore sites, crazy cult junk, LOL! He's a nut job.
I think he might be even more looney that the sda's. I googled a name from that link that he used and saw this name"Yahuwa...".

I think that I might not wish to visit that kingdom.lol
ReginaM

Jackson, NJ

#417257 Jan 21, 2013
preston wrote:
<quoted text>I think he might be even more looney that the sda's. I googled a name from that link that he used and saw this name"Yahuwa...".
I think that I might not wish to visit that kingdom.lol
It's probably a spelling error on his part. It helps when posting on these boards to have at least a rudimentary grasp of the English language. Third grade ought to do it. He's a little twerp.
preston

Waverly, OH

#417258 Jan 21, 2013
ReginaM wrote:
<quoted text>
Because he's not a Christian so he's ignorant of the history of Christianity. Come to think of it, he's pretty ignorant in general. That's why the folks here give him so many 'nuts'.
He doesn't think Jesus is God. He thinks He's the archangel Michael or some such nonsense. He's SDA, pretty much the same as JWs. He informs his faith from internet whore sites, crazy cult junk, LOL! He's a nut job.
eventually flakes like guest, oxbox, orville et al reveal themselves to be just that, flakes, and they know nothing about God, His creation, Jesus, His salvation.
Clay

United States

#417259 Jan 21, 2013
ReginaM wrote:
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Because he's not a Christian so he's ignorant of the history of Christianity. Come to think of it, he's pretty ignorant in general. That's why the folks here give him so many 'nuts'.
He doesn't think Jesus is God. He thinks He's the archangel Michael or some such nonsense. He's SDA, pretty much the same as JWs. He informs his faith from internet whore sites, crazy cult junk, LOL! He's a nut job.
I did not know that. I thought SDAs considered Christ to be God.
I vote they get their own Bible and leave ours alone. The Mormons probably have some prophetic Apocalyptic stuff in theirs..
ReginaM

Jackson, NJ

#417260 Jan 21, 2013
preston wrote:
<quoted text>eventually flakes like guest, oxbox, orville et al reveal themselves to be just that, flakes, and they know nothing about God, His creation, Jesus, His salvation.
Agreed. And it's amazing how many of them are from Missouri. Have you noticed that?
preston

Waverly, OH

#417261 Jan 21, 2013
ReginaM wrote:
<quoted text>
Because he's not a Christian so he's ignorant of the history of Christianity. Come to think of it, he's pretty ignorant in general. That's why the folks here give him so many 'nuts'.
He doesn't think Jesus is God. He thinks He's the archangel Michael or some such nonsense. He's SDA, pretty much the same as JWs. He informs his faith from internet whore sites, crazy cult junk, LOL! He's a nut job.
I googled this from their home page and when guest claims not to be a sda, he is correct if he belongs to this group who left them.

We do not belong nor lead to any denomination. We are dissatisfied with the watered-down truths preached in churches and thirst for Yahuwah’s undiluted word. We used to be members of the Seventh Day Adventist Church until we realized that this church also rejected and subverted many Bible truths. The decision to withdraw our membership and separate was not easy and was made only after much prayer and research. You can read some of this research in the following links:

http://www.worldslastchance.com/about-us/back... .

so he leaves one satanic group to belong to another group that is even more satanic in its nature.

NOW WHY AM I NOT SURPRISED THAT SINCE HE HAS BEEN ON HERE, I HAVE KNOWN THAT HE WAS NOT A CHRISTIAN NOR EVEN CLOSE TO BEING ONE?
ReginaM

Jackson, NJ

#417262 Jan 21, 2013
Clay wrote:
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I did not know that. I thought SDAs considered Christ to be God.
I vote they get their own Bible and leave ours alone. The Mormons probably have some prophetic Apocalyptic stuff in theirs..
Some of them might, but not all. I know this one doesn't. They're generally considered a cult. This particular article says they do believe in the Trinity and the divinity of Christ, but I don't think that's accurate. However, the rest of the article is spot on:

Adventist Anti-Catholicism

As is clear from some of the beliefs listed above, Adventist theology is intensely anti-Catholic. Many Catholics who do not frequently come in contact with Adventists or their literature do not realize just how hostile they can be toward the Church.

Trying to give others the benefit of the doubt, Catholics may suppose that anti-Catholicism is part of Adventism’s radical fringe. Unfortunately, this is untrue. Adventists who are moderate on Catholicism are a minority. Anti-Catholicism characterizes the denomination because it is embraced in White’s "divinely inspired" writings.
http://www.catholic.com/tracts/seventh-day-ad...

You have to be careful with them, especially the do-it-yourself crowd that comes to this board. As Preston said, they make real SDAs look normal.
:)

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#417263 Jan 21, 2013
217 197
Anthony MN wrote:
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I just did. Don't they? Do you know any that don't?
I have never taken a survey of Christians' beliefs on the matter..And a survey would be unreliable....no way to prove their replies...
preston

Waverly, OH

#417264 Jan 21, 2013
ReginaM wrote:
<quoted text>
It's probably a spelling error on his part. It helps when posting on these boards to have at least a rudimentary grasp of the English language. Third grade ought to do it. He's a little twerp.
no, that is how they are spelling Yahweh. they have linguists that have "CORRECTED" THE HEBREW.lol.

An Introductory Study for SDAs on Separation
SDA Church: God’s Remnant Church or Part of Babylon Fallen?
Chronology of SDA Apostasy

We believe that Yahuwah's honest children will come out from the fallen (Babylonian) churches. They will gladly receive the truth and take their stand with the remnant, because Yahuwah does not want His people to partake of the corporate sins of the churches who have rejected His truth. This final warning of mercy is found in Revelation 18:1-5. We only care to be recognized by the King of Kings and be part of His church in heaven (Hebrews 12:22, 23). We find that neither Yahushua nor the apostles of the early church belonged to the organized church of that time.

We pray World's Last Chance encourages you to search your Bible to find out the truth.

To learn more, you are welcome to read About World’s Last Chance.

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