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“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#417126 Jan 21, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
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I don't use the NABRE....I refer to it to show Catholics what they are not following that is being taught by their pope approved Bible...
I use the KJV....
Like I said, maybe you should use a bible that is more nearer to the events, instead of 1600 years later.
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#417127 Jan 21, 2013
marge wrote:
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They don't believe what is written.
We do. We don't believe what you think the Word says.

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#417128 Jan 21, 2013
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Robert F wrote:
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Oxbow
The Hebrew name Immanuel occurs twice in the Old Testament, both times in Isaiah, both in prophesies concerning the Messiah. In Isaiah 7:14, the prophet writes, "Behold, a virgin will be with child and bear a son, and she will call His name Immanuel." In 8:8 he writes, "...and the spread of [the Euphrates', see v 7] wings will fill the breadth of your land, O Immanuel."
Seven centuries later, Joseph finds Mary, his wife to be, with child and is understandably disgruntled. But an angel from God visits him in a dream and quotes Isaiah, saying that Joseph's little family is the target of a famous, seven hundred year old prophesy. The Child will be called Immanuel eventually, but for now he should be named Jesus (Matthew 1:19-25).
Where, in this context, exactly the name Jesus (=Joshua) came from is not immediately clear, but Immanuel is not the only name Isaiah pinned on the Messiah. In 9:6 he writes, "And his name will be called Palayaas (Wonderful Counselor), Elgebur (Mighty God), Abiad (Eternal Father), Sarshalom (Prince of Peace). Jesus, of course, became known by all those names.
The name Immanuel consists of two parts:
1a) The Hebrew preposition (im), meaning 'with'. It comes from the unused root ('mm) that also yields ('am), a people; (me'im), from or with; ('am), paternal kinsman; ('umma), against, beside (see the name Ammi).
1b) The nu-part in Immanu comes from the plural form in which the Im-part is put. The Hebrew language only very sparsely utilizes the verb 'to be,' and when it should be obvious that some form of that verb should be somewhere in the sentence, it's simply omitted. In English the plural goes to the pronoun ('with me' becomes 'with us'), and that makes the plural of the preposition 'with' impossible to translate literally. The word (im) means 'with me' and the word (immanu) means 'with us.'
2) The Hebrew word (El), the common abbreviation of the word Elohim, denoting the genus God.
Right after Isaiah names Immanuel for the second time (8:8), he says, "Devise a plan but it will be thwarted; state a proposal, but it will not stand, for God is with us" (v10). The Hebrew of the last two words of this sentence is ; an exact replica of the name Immanuel.
The name Immanuel means God (Is) With Us. However, we've already said that the verb 'to be' is usually omitted in Hebrew but actually something more nuanced is going on. Hebrew uses the verb 'to be' only when a behavior is specified that defines whatever is doing the behaving. In Hebrew a sentence like "the dog is outside" does not reflect a dog dozing in the shade, but a dog displaying behavior by which we recognize that it's a dog. Perhaps it's running after a squirrel and barking like there's no tomorrow; whatever, when the Hebrew says that the dog is, the dog is busy being a dog.
And that means that when God calls Himself I AM, He means that He's very busy doing His thing. The name Immanuel, however, lacks the verb to be, and denotes a passive presence of the Most High.
Immanuel means God Resides Among Us
That does not change the fact: Note: Emmanuel, a name of Christ

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#417129 Jan 21, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
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Do you believe Jesus is divine?
Do you believe in what Jesus said?

“OneLordOneFaith Eph4:5”

Since: Apr 08

Saint John Paul II Pray forUS.

#417130 Jan 21, 2013
Chuck wrote:
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It's more sad than funny...
Christ is in Heaven seated at the right hand of the Father and not in a bowl at the local catholic church.
Jesus said
“ I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world."

John 6:51
http://bible.cc/john/6-51.htm
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#417131 Jan 21, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
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It depends on what definition of divine is being considered:
divine [d&#618;&#712;va&# 618;n]
adj
1.(Christian Religious Writings / Theology) of, relating to, or characterizing God or a deity
2. godlike
3.(Christian Religious Writings / Theology) of, relating to, or associated with religion or worship the divine liturgy
4. of supreme excellence or worth
5. Informal splendid; perfect
n
1.(Christian Religious Writings / Theology)(often capital; preceded by the) another term for God
2.(Christianity / Ecclesiastical Terms) a priest, esp one learned in theology
vb
1. to perceive or understand (something) by intuition or insight
2. to conjecture (something); guess
3. to discern (a hidden or future reality) as though by supernatural power
4.(Mining & Quarrying)(tr) to search for (underground supplies of water, metal, etc.) using a divining rod
Let's keep it simple.

"1.(Christian Religious Writings / Theology) of, relating to, or characterizing God or a deity."

How many divine entities are there?

Since: Jun 10

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#417132 Jan 21, 2013
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ReginaM wrote:
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The fact remains that *you* are using it in an attempt to pass it off as the version used by the Church. It isn't. It isn't even used by most Catholics for private study.
You have no way of knowing how many, if any, Catholics use this Bible.

It is pope approved...are you saying the pope does not speak for the church?????
Chuck

Dublin, OH

#417133 Jan 21, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
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Normal folks who believed and accepted what the apostles taught, and normal folks, who if they rejected it, were cast out of the Church and called heretics unless they repented.
"David Koresh read and taught the Bible...think he was really saved...me either."
My theology says no.
Your theology says he must be accpeted by you (and therefore God) as a Christian who is eternally saved.
Tell me how I'm wrong?
Normal folks who believed and accepted what the apostles taught, and normal folks, who if they rejected it, were cast out of the Church and called heretics unless they repented.
**yeah just what I said...normal folks like you and me.

Tell me how I'm wrong?
**you're a catholic

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#417134 Jan 21, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
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Mt 19:6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
Does that mean that a man and woman whom God has joined together are the same person????!!!!! Is that person the man...or is that person the woman???!!!!
Spirit.

Self.

Why do you think "Paul" was more enlightened than Jesus?

Since: Dec 06

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#417135 Jan 21, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
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Mt 19:6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
Does that mean that a man and woman whom God has joined together are the same person????!!!!! Is that person the man...or is that person the woman???!!!!
Oxbow

The joining is the marriage. Marriage (syzeúgnymi) is for two to be commonly yoked together. They share in common a common yoke of marriage.

I really am wondering what sort of understanding you have of the Bible? Are you coming from a point of not knowing anything, or has someone taught you?

Since: Jun 10

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#417136 Jan 21, 2013
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New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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Like I said, maybe you should use a bible that is more nearer to the events, instead of 1600 years later.
And what bible is that?????

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#417137 Jan 21, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
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???
The saints referred to in the epistles are those who believed and accepted what the apostles taught and were part of the Church, and those who didnt't were not called saints nor part of the Church.
You facts are skewed.

"The saints referred to in the epistles are those who believed and accepted what the apostles taught and were part of the Church"

- Saints came after the Apostles - DUH!!
- you only believe in less than six of the original Apostles, so from this point forward, I will expect you and all so-called "Christians" to NO LONGER USE "the Apostles", because in fact, it doesn't included ALL of them, just the ones your heirarchy thought they should include.

So why do you only believe in less than six of the original 13 Apostles.

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#417138 Jan 21, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
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That does not change the fact: Note: Emmanuel, a name of Christ
Oxbow

Jesus Christ is the Person of "God Resides With Us"(Emmanuel).

Shorter: Jesus is God.
marge

Ames, IA

#417139 Jan 21, 2013
Ephesians 1:13-14

And now you Gentiles have also heard the truth, the Good News that God saves you. And when you believed in Christ, he identified you as his own by giving you the Holy Spirit, whom he promised long ago.

The Spirit is God's guarantee that he will give us the inheritance he promised and that he has purchased us to be his own people. He did this so we would praise and glorify him.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#417140 Jan 21, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
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"..and yet - Jesus never called himself "God", but you believe that."
If I could understand what you are trying to say I would respond....
PLAIN AND SIMPLE for you Rabbi.

Jesus never called himself "God", so why should you.

We've gone over all of this before.
guest

United States

#417141 Jan 21, 2013
Clay wrote:
Good info.
These goofballs keep saying "Inquisition Crusades Inquisition Crusades .. "
"goofballs"?
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Clay wrote:
But they don't have a clue about actual history. They are only repeating what their fanatical websites slander us with.
"Actual history"?
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Clay wrote:
The Crusades were medieval wars. I believe there was a total of 9?
"medieval wars"?
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The first was launched because Muslims conquered Jerusalem and slaughtered thousands of Catholics.
"The FIRST was launched ..."
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This concept of *first* means a lot to you, doesn't it, Clay?
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"...Muslims conquered Jerusalem and slaughtered thousands of Catholics."
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But YOU seem to forget that Catholics were there *first*- in the Holy Land - murdering and fomenting war throughout the region! So, just who was *first*? Does Constantine ring a bell?
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They occupied the Church at the site of the Crucifixion.
They were tired of the Catholic Church *first* murdering their people so they fought back.
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This was the final straw for the Church and 10,000 Catholics volunteered to counter attack.
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"This was the final straw for the Church..."
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The final straw for the native people of the region - 300 years AFTER Constantine *first* waged war in God's Name - came in the form of Muhammad who created Islam to fight back against the Catholics who had been shedding innocent blood there *first*- for 300 years.
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I've posted these links before, but you ignore them; look at the birth dates of these two individuals to see who was born *first*:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantine_the_...
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad
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Anyway, there is no comparison in what Protestants have done to Catholics.
No. There is no comparison! The Catholics have been at it 1500 years longer since they were there *first*.
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They've slaughtered millions of innocents.
They fought back against the Catholics who *first* did the slaughtering! It's instinct to fight back against murderers; it is the *first* thing normal victims do.
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Clay wrote:
England banned Catholicism as a whole and killed anyone caught celebrating the Mass!
They fought back against the religion that had *first* been killing and murdering in God's Holy Name.
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Untold numbers of Priests went missing all over the British colonies and Ireland.
Maybe the priests went missing because they had *first* molested altar boys?
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The Catholic church is *first* in a lot of things ... but it is not *first* in following Jesus Christ in TRUTH!
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To prove this to yourself, simply go to your concordance and look up Jesus' use of the word *first*

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#417142 Jan 21, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
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And what bible is that?????
I gave you link to the Codex Sinaiticus.

Which is the earliest known bible in the hands of humans. The Codex Vaticanus is also fromt he 4th C.

Sianiaticus --
"The codex is an Alexandrian text-type manuscript written in the 4th century in uncial letters on parchment."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codex_Sinaiticus

Vatcinus --
"It is written on 759 leaves of vellum in uncial letters and has been dated palaeographically to the 4th century"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codex_Vaticanus

Circa 4th C.

KJV = circa 17th century.

Are you this ignorant of your religion?
Fun Facts

Freeland, MI

#417143 Jan 21, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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....and yet - Jesus never called himself "God", but you believe that.
You are confused on what the Bible means.
Well, considering it is incomplete, I can see your error. The same one made by many others before you.
Psalm 82:6-7
6 “I said,‘You are “gods”;
you are all sons of the Most High.’
7 But you will die like mere mortals;
you will fall like every other ruler.”
You may have overlooked...

http://bible.cc/john/8-58.htm
http://bible.cc/luke/10-18.htm
Questions?
http://avemariaradio.net/catholic-online-radi...
hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#417144 Jan 21, 2013
RCC Superior BS - BUSTED wrote:
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The only way for Catholics to even think they refute the truth -- chant and attack all others. But above all, ignore the facts on the ground.
zzzzzzzzzzz
The "only reason" that you Protestant "bible only buffoons" are on this Catholic Forum is to attack our personal faith and Salvation in Jesus Christ and His One (and only) True Apostolic Catholic, PROVEN, AUTHENTICATED AND VERIFIED for over 2000 years, both biblically and historically.---You came here (with vengeance) searching for Catholics to condemn, pass your personal opinionated judgement, hate and hostile "venom" against Jesus' ONLY True Church which was, is and will (always) be One Universal Catholic Church. The fact is that there is "not one Catholic" on this forum,(or ANYWHERE) that would "go searching" for a Protestant topix forum with the "one and only intent" of trying to attack the faith of Protestants. WHY?? Because there is "no need too"! We ALREADY have the TRUTH of the TRUE INTERPRETATION of the bible and of the words of Jesus HIMSELF--in Matthew 16:13-21 regarding HIS One True Church and the TRUE WORDS of Jesus in the Eucharist __John 6:47-59 regarding His "true body" and "true blood". AGAIN---we already "have the TRUTH" and you Protestants have been "rejecting "the TRUTH"" over and over again,(using your own "personal appointed" Popes for over 500 years. We, as Catholics< already "KNOW, possess, and adhere to the FULLNESS OF THE FAITH and the FULLNESS OF THE TRUTH, in and through Jesus Christ, in the Church that Our Lord (formed, and initiated) which is HIS One True Catholic Church. Until you come to TRUE SALVATION in Jesus Christ (in and through His One True Church, you will (continue) to remain on the outside of the TRUTH "always looking in"!!!!!

“OneLordOneFaith Eph4:5”

Since: Apr 08

Saint John Paul II Pray forUS.

#417145 Jan 21, 2013
Disciple wrote:
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Wrong!
The biggest charity is the US federal government with 50M followers on food stamps alone. Not counting free medical and education for illegals and too many other entitlements to list.
BIG D, You are incorrect again! Read my post again, I said Christian Charity. You do know that the government is not a Christian origination, right?

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