Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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I think the problem is that priests have had to much power thrust upon them, and their duties have had to take on epic proportions. This has sort of changed with the re-establishment of deacons.
A priest is called to be a servant. But he has duties such as administrative, being a counselor, and organizer, etc., that he cannot perform his primary duties. He is spread to thin.... In an idealic world, I think priests should be older, experienced with people, with a known backround.(Fortunately, my church has a priest who is like this. This is his "second" calling late in life.)
Agreed;it seems that your church is making good strides to curb the very strong figure of leadership that is in the priesthood.He is just a man,and with like passions.In the past the church may have failed in continuing to remind its priests that they are biological beings with passions,who daily fight the passions of the flesh.Those same men have to guide whole congregations,that also is a factor being celibate,never enjoying the company of a woman,or children also.

Brief encounters with congregants do not suffice for the loneliness some priests must experience espeically in large parishes.Although they have many duties,they also have times alone,and even the most married of men are tempted with sexual thoughts and desires for just pleasure.Married couples battle with sexuality,look at the Pornography amongst married men,it is ridiculous.

We have to be on the alert even in our age as it creeps upon us.Often men who are in their sixties wrestle with sexual desires,and are prone to giving into some opportunity to commit adultery or some form of fornication.

All men struggle with this not just Christians.We read daily about adulteries,and know of them amongst people we know,and unfortunately we are aware of everyother type of infraction with sex.We human beings are tempted daily with many things that ultimately harm us!
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I and my three brothers were altar boys in our parish over a period of about 12 years. There were probably a hundred other boys over the years as well. There was never ONE SINGLE incident of abuse or anything thing that would be remotely contstrued as sexual in nature by the founding pastor or any of the many associate priests who came and went.
Dan, you more than anyone on this board has the right to be angry, but your charity really shines forth on this issue. All I can say is how sorry I am for what you endured and I'm glad you have found peace. Fortunately the Church has made HUGE strides in eliminating this scourge and getting rid of the "filth" as Pope Benedict called them, as is evident by the last number I saw, about 7 credible accustions in 2011, out of over 40,000 priests.
And Anthony that is what we need as responsible humans,to see that when justice is needed to fulfill it. The Pope publicly calling those priests "Filth" makes a declaration to the whole world,that he intends to stop the plague of abuse in its tracks.I can't see that he should not be taken at his word,along with every Cardinal and bishop who follows through on ensuring that their parishes will not succumb to the predators,and hide them,but to expose what is wrong.

Nevertheless, on the other hand people outside of the Church will continue to use it as a ploy to agitate and irritate all,who know full well that things of this nature are very hard to deal with.Innocent priests are under scrutiny.Young priests are very courageous,as far as I am concerned,knowing that any woman or even a child can accuse them of inpropriety,because of some fantasy,or because tey are angry with them.It is a hard road for any clergyman and woman these days.God help them all!

Woe to the offender,especially now that all has been virtually exposed!
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LMAO at the rhetorical spin.
"..... so-called "private" revelations, some of which have been recognized by the authority of the Church."
"Private" Revelations...
FACT: Fatima, every Pope since 1917 makes the pilgrimage.
FACT: Called by Popes "the most important" in church history.
But it does NOT really "belong, however, to the deposit of faith."
What???
OK, when Catholic-in-denial stops spinning -- please tell us where we can find a list of the "infallible teachings" of this deposit of faith?
In short, it helps the spin and BS when things are made overly complicated and above all -- no one can provide specifics.
OK, now "deposit of faith's" infallible teachings. Where?
Fatima had nothing to do with the deposit of faith.
In fact, the deposit of faith is so sacred and built on rock, that nothing can change it. Not even a 'secret' hand delivered to our Pope from a person who said its from the Virgin Mary can change it.
EVEN if there was a supernatural event attached to the claim, as in the case of the Miracle of the Sun at Fatima.
This is why the Catholic Church is unique. Nothing can undo what the Apostles taught.

pick any 42,000 Protestant sect and you will find out every single one has reversed what was originally taught. Whether its sola scripture or sola fide or worse... Jesus is not God!

You can't provide any info (without lying) to show otherwise.

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Continued to RobertF. It is not that JESUS is not God when He is placed in the womb of Mary by the Holy Spirit,but it is that Jesus must become M a n.Mary's part physiologically speaking has to contribute totally to His humanity,that is the greatest mystery of our faith.
Jesus becoming man when in fact and truth He is the Son in the Godhead=Father/Son and Holy Spirit.
It is the sole purpose of God in placing His holy Son as a human sperm connecting with Mary's egg,the embryo is Jesus,and so goes the gestation of development in the womb.Jesus takes on humanity from His Mother Mary.Her egg with the seed of the Holy Spirit forms that human being.
Virgin Birth protects the embryo from the taint of sin,because sin is a product of the Male sperm or seed from Adam.Jesus has no earthly father who sired H i m.
But His mother totally human gives to Him humanity.It is a mystery of faith.We all as believers should be aware of that fact.It is not an easy thing to comprehend.
Mary was chosen from all the rest of human women to bear in her the Holy Child Jesus."Let it be done unto me"That fiat unto her person,she gave permission to release her physiology for the Creator's master design,and in her virginity a child was conceived,and we all know the results.
Mother of the Son of Man Jesus,Mary's total contribution to the Plan of God for the salvation of all the human race.
She is Blessed,and no one can deny it.She is not the Mother of any being but the Son of Man,Jesus,who obtains His total humanity from her.Joseph is called His father,also because He is not denied the protection and covering of a father.God wanted Joseph to be totally a caregiver to His Son,that also enjoins Mary's contribution of physiology with the human development of a son,who needs both a father and a mother.
There is nothing in Scripture that gives us the permission to place Mary in any other realm of glory than what God has already allowed.
1.Mary is the only woman who had a virgin birth.
2.Mary is the only woman who would fulfill the humanity of the Person of Jesus Christ,through her virginity,and fiat.
3. Mary called G o d(the Father-Son and Holy Spirit) her Savior.
4. Mary is blessed because she gave birth and contributed physiologically to the Incarnate Jesus,Messiah and Lord.
5. Mary in no way form or otherwise is anything but a Mortal being born of human parents.She is not an angel,nor is she a celestial being,and most of all she is a Created being,which even moreso gives mystery to the Incarnation.
God took a woman created,and placed His only begotten Son in her womb,where by her He took on human flesh and blood,and He became Man.
I do not see anything in the Scriptures or in the life of Mary,her virginity or what she was called to do by God as any reason to call her the Mother of God,and later declare her as the Spouse of the Holy Spirit.
Sorry Robert but yes we may be a spouse as to being connected with Christ the Son,who gave Himself for the church,and we are as a bride of Christ,but the Holy Spirit is not our spouse,we are not married or betrothed to Him,but to Christ the GOD-Man.There is a difference to saying Mary is Spouse to either the Father,the Son or the Holy Spirit.naturally she cannot be spouse of her son,nor can she be spouse of the Father or Holy Spirit,either.
The Catholics consider a relationship of husband and wife when calling Mary the Spouse of the Holy Spirit.YES,Catholics on EWTN have talked about it,especially from that Saint from France who termed Mary as such.it is error,simple as that.
Mary is not in some special marriage bond with the Holy Spirit.Excessive theology is as destructive as heresy.
Dan

I agree with all of your first post.
I have some points on this post.

Concerning the sperm/egg issue. We don't know. It is a mystery. But I think in general(at least for me) the RCC views that the overshadowing was not fertilization, but that the egg was 100% of Mary, and there was no sperm.
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Because God is Life. He gave Life to the egg within Mary....Now I cannot prove this. But it is more a spiritual intuition....

EWTN....You are probably thinking about St. Louis de Montfort. He has a very developed Mariology, and some of the words when translated to English, do go over the edge.(What is meant is not correctly understood and then translated.) But I read his work, and find nothing wrong with it.

But yes, glad you see the Bride and Bridgroom analogy. That is God and the Church, and Jesus Christ to us on an individual. Likewise it can be said of Israel to God. So why not Mary, who had God's Son?

What ends up happening is that Mary becomes the Mother of Jesus, and also Mary becomes a sister to Jesus(as she is in need of salvation, as we do.) So Mary becomes mother and sister to us by extension that Jesus is brother....

Mariology is extensive, as it is still pondered. It is a mystery. So there is a lot to write about her, and her relationship with the Trinity. The more we understand that relationship, the more we understand the relationship of each of us to God.

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<quoted text>Agreed;it seems that your church is making good strides to curb the very strong figure of leadership that is in the priesthood.He is just a man,and with like passions.In the past the church may have failed in continuing to remind its priests that they are biological beings with passions,who daily fight the passions of the flesh.Those same men have to guide whole congregations,that also is a factor being celibate,never enjoying the company of a woman,or children also.
Brief encounters with congregants do not suffice for the loneliness some priests must experience espeically in large parishes.Although they have many duties,they also have times alone,and even the most married of men are tempted with sexual thoughts and desires for just pleasure.Married couples battle with sexuality,look at the Pornography amongst married men,it is ridiculous.
We have to be on the alert even in our age as it creeps upon us.Often men who are in their sixties wrestle with sexual desires,and are prone to giving into some opportunity to commit adultery or some form of fornication.
All men struggle with this not just Christians.We read daily about adulteries,and know of them amongst people we know,and unfortunately we are aware of everyother type of infraction with sex.We human beings are tempted daily with many things that ultimately harm us!
Dan

Knowing that all men are tempted is an admission of our nature.

It is in knowing what is sin, we can avoid sin....It takes discipline.

I have found particularly helpful the Desert Father's writings in the early Church. They really define sin and temptation well, and ways to combat it, on physical, mental, and spiritual levels.

One of the best ways is to live the Beatitudes. Especially the first one. Blessed are the poor of spirit...., actually it come to giving up the pleasuresof the flesh, and blessed are those who mourn....Jesus gave us the directions and destination, we just need to follow them.
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This is why the Catholic Church is unique. Nothing can undo what the Apostles taught.

pick any 42,000 Protestant sect and you will find out every single one has reversed what was originally taught. Whether its sola scripture or sola fide or worse... Jesus is not God!
You can't provide any info (without lying) to show otherwise.

The few hundred Protestant denominations and individual Christians around the world all have many things in common - Jesus, the Bible, all Christian. Unlike Rome's universal pagan voodoo sun cult that does not follow the Bible - Apostles. This is why Rome has added books!
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Oh, No! Heckle doesn't know the difference between the Incarnation and the Immaculate Conception! LOL!!
They're batting a 1,000 today!
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http://www.bobkwebsite.com/egyptianmythvjesus...

Its too bad you won't allow yourself to learn what went on before 2,000 years ago. Very sad. The church DOES NOT control my mind.

....Show me in the gospels where Jesus said he was born of a MIRACULOUOS BIRTH?

Show me where Paul writes about the virgin birth? Show me where Paul mentions any miracles? Show me in Pauls writings the story of the crucifixion?

Know why Pauls very early writings don't mention any of these stories about Jesus? Because they were not INVENTED/CREATED yet, until the 4 gospels were written, and we don't even know who the actual writers of the gospels were. BUSTED!

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.....Jesus paternal genealogy, claimed by Matthew and Luke in the gospels, completely confounds Jesus virgin birth.

.... They both trace Jesus lineage through Joseph, which they could only do if Joseph was his father. RIGHT?.. Right Michael! BUSTED!

.....You believe Joseph wasn't the father of Jesus, so why do Matthew and Luke trace Jesus family tree through Joseph, if Joseph wasn't even married yet to Mary, and Joseph wasn't even his father.......as you believe?

.....something is terribly wrong! sister REGINA M.

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<quoted text>Why would those young men want to be priests if they in fact were molested by a priest when they were altar boys? Of course you can't answer that question.I don't understand why they tell you of their desire to be priests,knowing that they were once sexually assaulted by a priest.The other factor is that WHEN were these boys assaulted? After mass,before mass? It is beyond us to figure these things out.
It is a dasterly criminal act by men who claim to be shepherds of Christ's flock.Such strong emotions to deceive children and to guide them at the same time to the Lord,is a disparity of justice. Whether a minister,priest or whatever.Who can figure such strong drives to both destroy and build up?
I do find it hard to believe that the priest pedophiles are a majority,and not a very small minority.Since you live in Canada,are we seeing a lot of scandal there as well?
Well they are all men now but the one who became a priest testified at a trail of a bishop he was one of many who did.
Maybe an idea put in their head by a devoted catholic mother put the idea in a young boys head to be a priest and to please her went along with it.

If you talk to some of the children who were molested it was priest who visited a family , had dinner at their homes .
Priest invited children to stay over night at their place with the parents blessing.

One boy told a Mom that the priest molested him the Mother beat him for talking like that against a [get this] holy man.

Maybe they thought they would be among the many priest who didn't molest chlidren and for that reason want to be a priest.
I use to be a social worker Pad, I have met a lot of people in my work. Heard many stories saw many things, maybe that is why I am like I am against child abuse.

My grandson is a youth worker, he worker in half way houses with young teens. He crys alot he had to take sick leave , He may have to quite, I had to quiet also couldn't take it.

A lot of people end up hating God because of abuse that has happened to them but you and I haven't, Pad. I trust no one but I love God.

This abuse is more likely to happen in a childs home then any where else, by a close relative., and never talked about.

I have offended people Pad I know but whats that compared to what some children have suffered.

When the Pope, suppositly a man of God; gets up and makes a speech and says children abuse is excepted in some countries.
To explain away, the cover ups and lies that he him self has told to save face, I think he has lost touch with all reality all together.
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That's what happens when organizations and institutions keep the traditions of the Catholic Church.

Come out of her My People !!!!

The two witnesses John the Apostle and Elijah will set you all straight returning the hearts of the son's to the father.
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Knowing that all men are tempted is an admission of our nature.
It is in knowing what is sin, we can avoid sin....It takes discipline.
I have found particularly helpful the Desert Father's writings in the early Church. They really define sin and temptation well, and ways to combat it, on physical, mental, and spiritual levels.
One of the best ways is to live the Beatitudes. Especially the first one. Blessed are the poor of spirit...., actually it come to giving up the pleasuresof the flesh, and blessed are those who mourn....Jesus gave us the directions and destination, we just need to follow them.
To be poor in spirit is to recognize your utter spiritual bankruptcy before God. It is understanding that you have absolutely nothing of worth to offer God. Being poor in spirit is admitting that, because of your sin, you are completely destitute spiritually and can do nothing to deliver yourself from your dire situation. Jesus is saying that, no matter your status in life, you must recognize your spiritual poverty before you can come to God in faith to receive the salvation He offers
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The John Jay report says you're wrong Jeckle.
Obssession with child sex is not good Jeckle. Maybe you should check with your marriage counselor and see if she treats your other problem too.
MOTHER ANTHONY!

..You are telling me that collectively around the world for many years, EVERY catholic bishop miraculously USED THE EXACT SAME METHOD OF OPERATION (without knowing each other) in "lets call the PHYCHIATRIST" not the police.

You are never going to change my mind MOTHER ANTHONY that the thousands of catholic bishops did not get support from the vatican of how to SQUASH all these victims and their accusations.

The safeguards in place now were not as a result of GOOD WORK by the clergy. It was solely by the brave victims and their families who went to the police and the number of cases were so OVERWHELMING that the church had no other recourse than to cave in and ......guess what......DIAL 9-1-1! for the first time.

The bishops who lied, and covered up these crimes to protect their abusive clergy, have NOW! been put in charge of blowing the whistle on the very clergy they covered up for in the first place.

Who puts the wolf in charge of the henhouse? ONLY THE CATHOLIC DOES!

UNBELIEVABLE!

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Mary isn't worshipped.
We pray for her intercession.
Old news.
I am not discussing divine worship. Am saying that Catholics are taught to pray to Mary...which is opposite of what Christ taught..
The Catechism does teach to pray to her. It lists no Scripture to support this erroneous teaching...because there is none...

You say "We pray for her intercession". For whatever reason you pray to her, be it for her intercession, or for answers to a novena...you pray to her.
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No moron, 50 years ago women did NOT always call the police when they were raped.
Hey Jeckle, still haven't figured out that seal of confessional thingy yet have you?
Anthony says....... 50 years ago women did NOT always call the police when they were raped.

Michael says.......THATS RIGHT! Anthony they called a psychiatrist, or maybe they called a catholic bishop and he reccommended a psychiatrist. UNBELIEVABLE!

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No moron, 50 years ago women did NOT always call the police when they were raped.
Hey Jeckle, still haven't figured out that seal of confessional thingy yet have you?
ANTHONY SAYS.........the seal of the confessional.

MICHAEL SAYS......NOT ANYMORE! All the clergy have now been taught how to DIAL 9-1-1.....whenever there is a wiff of one of them doing wrong.

What a difference a day makes.......(lol)UNBELIEVABLE!

The seal of the confessional is just a ......"hide yourelf from the police" tool.

No wonder crime is rampant in america. Commit the worst crime immaginable, head to the confession.........and MOMS the word.

what a CROC!......and you are OK with it! OMG!

You are an enabler of crime. Jesus would not be impressed one bit..........if he existed.

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Dan....Catholics pray to Mary...

Excerpt:

Prayers to Virgin Mary

From the Church's beginnings, prayers to Virgin Mary have held a place of honor for Catholics.

Here are some of the most fundamental and majestic.

These prayers prayers to Virgin Mary take varied forms. Most of them combine:

Prayers to God, modeled after the faith of Mary.
Meditations on the Incarnation, Mary's unique role in salvation history, or her perfect examples of virtues like faith, humility, and charity.
Prayers to Mary, asking for her help and protection.

Like all prayers to Saints, our prayers to Virgin Mary rely on the Saints' special power to intercede for us before Christ and the Father. But since Mary has a unique role in salvation, and a unique relationship to the Trinity, our prayers to the Blessed Virgin also rely on her special power of intercession.

NOTE: "PRAYERS TO VIRGIN MARY''PRAYERS TO MARY' "our prayers to the Blessed Virgin (TWICE SAID)"

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To be poor in spirit is to recognize your utter spiritual bankruptcy before God. It is understanding that you have absolutely nothing of worth to offer God. Being poor in spirit is admitting that, because of your sin, you are completely destitute spiritually and can do nothing to deliver yourself from your dire situation. Jesus is saying that, no matter your status in life, you must recognize your spiritual poverty before you can come to God in faith to receive the salvation He offers
LTM

You have the literal interpretation of what being poor in spirit is most commonly seen in commentaries and accepted teachings. And I am not dismissing it. But lets get a little more into being poor in spirit....

"And so Jesus says:“Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven”(Matthew 5:3). This is neither a romanticizing of economic poverty nor a demonization of wealth, but rather a formula for detachment. Might I suggest a somewhat variant rendition: how blessed are you if you are not attached to material things, if you have not placed the goods that wealth can buy at the center of your concern? When the Kingdom of God is your ultimate concern, not only will you not become addicted to material things; you will, in fact, be able to use them with great effectiveness for God’s purposes."

http://payingattentiontothesky.com/2011/10/06...

"The poor in spirit, of course, are not the weak-spirited; they are exactly the opposite. They are strong enough to be detached from riches, that is, from the whole world. They are those who are strong enough not to be enslaved to their desires for the things of this world.

http://payingattentiontothesky.com/category/h...
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The few hundred Protestant denominations and individual Christians around the world all have many things in common - Jesus, the Bible, all Christian. Unlike Rome's universal pagan voodoo sun cult that does not follow the Bible - Apostles. This is why Rome has added books!
The have Jesus and the Bible??

What good is that when you've tampered with Our Lords will?
You say you have Jesus but reject His Church?
You'd agree that Christ started a Church. Right?

If its not the Catholic Church, then who is it?

Not all of you 42,000 could be the correct one.

If I'm new to Christianity, I'm going to find out which Church was there from the beginning. Then and only then, would I be in the correct group.
All others can and do experience Christ, because He is love. But you do not have the fullness of His teachings.. you only have some of it. And that is by using the books that the Catholic Church says is the Bible.
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You have the literal interpretation of what being poor in spirit is most commonly seen in commentaries and accepted teachings. And I am not dismissing it. But lets get a little more into being poor in spirit....
"And so Jesus says:“Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven”(Matthew 5:3). This is neither a romanticizing of economic poverty nor a demonization of wealth, but rather a formula for detachment. Might I suggest a somewhat variant rendition: how blessed are you if you are not attached to material things, if you have not placed the goods that wealth can buy at the center of your concern? When the Kingdom of God is your ultimate concern, not only will you not become addicted to material things; you will, in fact, be able to use them with great effectiveness for God’s purposes."
http://payingattentiontothesky.com/2011/10/06...
"The poor in spirit, of course, are not the weak-spirited; they are exactly the opposite. They are strong enough to be detached from riches, that is, from the whole world. They are those who are strong enough not to be enslaved to their desires for the things of this world.
http://payingattentiontothesky.com/category/h...
I was going to ask you if that was Fr. Barron, and then I clicked on the link, lol! He's so good, he always hits the mark.

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I was going to ask you if that was Fr. Barron, and then I clicked on the link, lol! He's so good, he always hits the mark.
ReginaM
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lol...Yes he is quite good. He really defines things well. A great communicator.

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