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Since: Nov 08

usa

#416887 Jan 20, 2013
Clay wrote:
The Catholic Church has had problems in every decade since Christ. There was bad Priests, Bishops and laity since day one. They all violated Catholic teachings and sinned.
It will be that way for the next 2,000 yrs too. This is the reality when you're involved in spiritual warfare. Thankfully, the Church is infallible in her teachings on faith and morals so we will always have that unbreakable pillar to guide us.
you left out popes,the church had a lot of bad self indulging popes,you have to be kidding when you say the church is infallible in it's teachings? in lies yes i would have to agree with you there.

Since: Nov 08

usa

#416888 Jan 20, 2013
TheBlackSheep wrote:
Explain.

First, the abusers and those who protected the abusers, must be brought to justice. You cannot demand forgiveness, whilst committing the crime.
Second, the catholics must admit to the crime, the cover up and do their best to make amends. So far, the catholic church has cried that they do not have the money to pay the victims; then they turn around and buy the crystal cathedral for $58 million!
The catholic church is not asking for forgiveness.
wow,i knew they bought the church didn't think it was that much though,pretty good for a church that says it's bankrupt,also they spent 2 million on a new church somewhere in the midwest,can't remeber name of the state.there is no way they can declare bankruptcy,with all the gold and silver statues,and assorted objects they have that are considered priceless,sell one statue and they could rebuild the oh lets say haiti from the ground up,and with 1.6 billion+ members donating money every week to the church,and throw in the money they are making from all realestate holdings,and idol sales,they are very well off,their just not going to admit it,and lets remember a lot of victims were paid from an insurrance policy the church had just in case they got caught at molesting children. by taking out this policy that basically says they knew they would get caught one day of the wrong doing like in past indiscretions they were caught for.

Since: Nov 08

usa

#416889 Jan 20, 2013
MICHAEL wrote:
<quoted text>
Claypool says.....The Catholic Church has had problems in every decade since Christ. There was bad Priests, Bishops and laity since day one. They all violated Catholic teachings and sinned.
It will be that way for the next 2,000 yrs too.
MICHAEL says..... If the Catholic church was a business, it would have gone out of business 1,990 years ago, according to your description.
...Is the church that dysfunctional that it can't learn from its mistakes?......and according to you, the same mistakes will continue for another 2,000 years.
What a poor track record. Is no one in the church correcting mistakes as they happen?
UNBELIEVABLE!
they sweep it under the rug and hope no one notices,and what makes you think the church will be around another 2000 yrs? islam is allready blowing up their churches,3 so far as i have read about,could be more.

Since: Nov 08

usa

#416890 Jan 20, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
Fear not.
The prayers are to God. We believe in intercessory prayer.
JETHRO:if this is what your doing to are defying god,no one except jesus can interceed on your behalf the bible clearly states that 1 timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one "mediator" between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;....to break this rule is to defy god,so in essence catholics defy god every time they pray to anyone outside of jesus.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#416892 Jan 20, 2013
Free MInd wrote:
<quoted text>
OK...
You could easily find it for yourself (Second Secret of Fatima), but here's another one for you to run from.
How does an individual claim diplomatic immunity unless invoked by an institutional authority.
Roman Catholic Church 101...
Q... What institutional authority uses diplomatic immunity to keep individuals from testifying in court cases involving sexually abused orphans?
A... Jesus only appointed Church, Perfect teachings on morals.
You can find that too if you tried.
But somehow, they never lift a finger to find the actual facts. Shocker!!!!!!
I asked you to cite the quote from Mary. Find it and cite it.

Find and cite the instances of diplomatic immunity and who it's extended to.

Just back something, anything up with a fact. Once.
Clay

Chicago, IL

#416893 Jan 20, 2013
guest wrote:
<quoted text>
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Clay: "If I'm new to Christianity, I'm going to find out which Church was there from the beginning. Then and only then, would I be in the correct group."
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There was so much confusion during the early days of the church.
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Make sure the one you are in IS NOT a CULT.
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The catholic Church has all the marks of a cult and its leaders order torture and murder of heretics ...
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It doesn't matter if it was *there first* as you say ... if it FIRST does NOT follow Jesus! Because if it is NOT following Jesus ... it wasn't **there** in the first place.

The Catholic church does NOT follow Jesus.
Oh bigoted one, the first Church is all that matters. Christ promised to be with them til the end; the gates of hell will never prevail against it; its built on rock;
I don't care what they eventually called themselves.. its the same structural organization in an unbroken line. And you have to admit, the Catholic Church - despite having all their first Popes murdered; upwards of 70 million martyrd since Christ; scandals in the clergy; tyrants and kings waging war against her; countless bigots like you spreading lie after lie ..... and they are still here.
When will you learn? You have the biggest disadvantage known to man, Guest. You're going up against Jesus Christ and the Church He established. You can't win!
Dan

Omaha, NE

#416894 Jan 20, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
Dan....Catholics pray to Mary...
Excerpt:
Prayers to Virgin Mary
From the Church's beginnings, prayers to Virgin Mary have held a place of honor for Catholics.
Here are some of the most fundamental and majestic.
These prayers prayers to Virgin Mary take varied forms. Most of them combine:
Prayers to God, modeled after the faith of Mary.
Meditations on the Incarnation, Mary's unique role in salvation history, or her perfect examples of virtues like faith, humility, and charity.
Prayers to Mary, asking for her help and protection.
Like all prayers to Saints, our prayers to Virgin Mary rely on the Saints' special power to intercede for us before Christ and the Father. But since Mary has a unique role in salvation, and a unique relationship to the Trinity, our prayers to the Blessed Virgin also rely on her special power of intercession.
NOTE: "PRAYERS TO VIRGIN MARY''PRAYERS TO MARY' "our prayers to the Blessed Virgin (TWICE SAID)"
We pray to her for her intercession on our behalf to God.

God gets the worship. Pray for intercession.

Nothing new here, Oxbow.

Since: Nov 08

usa

#416895 Jan 20, 2013
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
It is ALL recorded, authenticated and verified over and over again in TRUE Apostolic Church History, handed down nearly 2000 years ago from the documented writings of the Early Church Fathers, the biographical Lives of the Saints and the Apologistic Historian authors (both Catholic and Protestant.........(Read it Jethro8!!!!.... You might learn something!!!!...... The problem with you Jethro8 is that your "bogus heretical history writers" are (permanently) stuck on as much "anti-catholic hate & hostility" as you are and will "dig up" as many "myths and history legends" ---they can "make up" and will "SAY AND WRITE ANYTHING" in order to distort and twist the truth of TRUE CHURCH HISTORY.---- "BLOWING (contaminated & perverted history) SMOKE" is about the only thing that you Protestants, atheists and agnostics can rely upon , in order to keep up their vindictive hearts, minds and souls (heated up) in attacking the REAL TRUTH of the Catholic Church.
your early church fathers were nothing more than learned men put together by a pagan/christian emporer named constantine,they were not assembled by jesus or god to create the catholic religion,if it were it would be in the scriptures and you find nothing.anything that puts a bad light on the church you deny as being "bogus heretical history writers",are you going to tell me the crusades never took place? you going to tell me they didn't use sadistic tactics to get people to follow the church? you going to deny the abuse cases? or the money laundering for the mafia? which they were found guilty of,also comitted bank fraud themselves,they killed in the name of god,would gods actual church really do that? i don't think so,people would willingly follow gods true church without the threats of violence,the church used starvation,torture,inprisonmen t,even death threats,and the actual killing of people to get them to follow the church,that's unexceptable behavior for a god that supposedly created us out of love,wouldn't you agree?......they are guilty of crimes of unimaginal proportions,there is factual mulitiple sources that support the history i posted,you have posted nothing,that supports your belief that the catholic church is the church you state is mentioned somewhere somehow in the book of mathew which you constantly mention,yet the word catholic is not in there,and your excuse is that not every word is not written,if it is not written how can you take it as truth and factual? nice attempt of dodging the truth,the real truth is your church is of pagan/christian origin,how could it be anything else? all dates used are of pagan origin,they changed the sabbath,they changed the commandments for profit from the sale of idols/statues. which is clearly against gods wishes,it says so in the very bible the church itself put together but do not follow, how come? do as we say, not as we do,that definately applies to the church. it does not practice what it preaches. as i have posted many times 1 timothy clearly states there is no mediator between man and god except jesus,yet the church teaches confessing to a priest (who in reality is just a man)will absolve you from your sins,that's a lie if "timothy" is to believed,wouldn't you agree? and the most obvious fact is why would a jewish king create a religion opposite of his own? and why build it in a country he never went to? "MY CHURCH" that is all he states in the bible,nowhere do you find the word catholic or it's traditions mentioned in scripture,it is all of mans creation,to make the church so grand people would believe in it,that's how p.t. barnum became rich. and lets look at what you posted here,hojo:It is ALL recorded" jethro,here to contradict yourself,you say all is recorded but many many times you state not every word is written,which is it? is all recorded or not?
Clay

Chicago, IL

#416896 Jan 20, 2013
jethro8 wrote:
<quoted text>you left out popes,the church had a lot of bad self indulging popes,you have to be kidding when you say the church is infallible in it's teachings? in lies yes i would have to agree with you there.
Only a couple 'bad Popes' Jethro, not a lot.
Perhaps 3 out of 265, and only God knows if they were truly bad and not the victims of vicious rumors.
But, lets just say they were really bad... that's less than 1%.. if 10 were corrupt, that's around 3%

Now, if you say the Church lies in her teachings, I ask which ones?
You can't provide any evidence because its not there. However, all Protestants need to lie to prove the CC wrong. That's exactly why I know I'm in the correct Church. You guys rely on deception in order to function as a religious group.
Clay

Chicago, IL

#416897 Jan 20, 2013
jethro8 wrote:
<quoted text>your early church fathers were nothing more than learned men put together by a pagan/christian emporer named constantine,they were not assembled by jesus
Snipped for slander, propaganda, rumors, deception and violation of the 9th commandment.

Try posting an argument without bearing false witness. Can you guys function without being deceitful???

Jethro, are you Christian?
hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#416898 Jan 20, 2013
DWWashburn wrote:
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Now one damn thing about the raped children and how your priests are covering up the crimes!
I wonder if Jesus raped boys, too?
You can read about (all the exaggerated- blown-up and out-of-proportion "hype") and "so-called abuse cover-up" in the "National Inquirer weekly or just ask Confrinting, Michael, PAD, jethro8, LTM or any other, Catholic bashing (heretic and hypocrit) on this forum.
.....ANY of them will "fill you in" on their "anti-catholic" obscure and remote trash articles that they (dig-up)written by "hack writers" who lay away at might, trying to come up with some more of their "distorted and perverted" copy as they "unsuccessfully" attempt to undermine Jesus Christ and His One True Apostolic Catholic Church.....The fact is that "bible only Protestants" "throw out more whoppers than burger king" and are as "desperate as ever" and will "say anything and everything" resorting to more and more lying, manipulating, and distorting, by exaggerating and twisting the truth, in order to keep their 42,000+ bible only (boats) from sinking deeper and deeper into oblivian.
!!
RCC Superior BS - BUSTED

Melbourne, FL

#416899 Jan 20, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
I asked you to cite the quote from Mary. Find it and cite it.
Find and cite the instances of diplomatic immunity and who it's extended to.
Just back something, anything up with a fact. Once.
Dan, it's strange reading a Catholic asking for links as back-up. Everything is easily found with a simple Google search. No problem. Wouldn't it be nice if BOTH sides used the same standards?!

Mary's words at Fatima, 1917:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Secrets_of...

"You have seen hell where the souls of poor sinners go. To save them, God wishes to establish in the world devotion to my Immaculate Heart. If what I say to you is done, many souls will be saved and there will be peace. The war is going to end: but if people do not cease offending God, a worse one will break out during the Pontificate of Pope Pius XI."

Again, a simple search will show pages of supporting links, plus everything is footnoted.

RCC and diplomatic immunity:

Wikileaks caused a lot of press, especially in Ireland.

http://www.rationalresponders.com/forum/27593

Of course you mmay view many sources as "anti-Catholic," but you can easily research to verify info. This link provides some history:

http://www.concordatwatch.eu/showtopic.php...

Look, it's already Monday in Australia!

"Archbishop used immunity in civil suit"

http://www.smh.com.au/world/archbishop-used-i...

Again, this is easy to confirm. You'll find news stories worldwide. Heck, I even provided a link from tomorrow (Australia).

Now for the excuses and denial -- exactly the opposite of what the RCC claims is needed for a "true confession."
RCC Superior BS - BUSTED

Melbourne, FL

#416900 Jan 20, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Snipped for slander, propaganda, rumors, deception and violation of the 9th commandment.
Try posting an argument without bearing false witness. Can you guys function without being deceitful???
Jethro, are you Christian?
Try addressing what you claim is false. Be a man -- be specific. Maybe provide some links to back your claims.(Oops, sorry, Catholics don't do that, I forgot.)

"Snipped for slander" -- You have learned denial and censorship well. Your spiritually superior church is a good teacher.

I never imagined that God would require so much censorship for his 'superior church.'

("... for ye shall know them by their deeds.")

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#416901 Jan 20, 2013
Free MInd wrote:
<quoted text>
Poor Mary was barely mentioned in the Gospels. She was completely omitted from the very first Nicene Creed ordered up by Constantine.
Glad you are making up for lost time.
Ironic isn't it -- that Mary's status would be the beginning of the great East-West Schism (Filioque controversy, late 500's)
Why couldn't the Gospel writers made it clear in the first place? Many Catholics killed each other during the heydays of the Schisms.
BUSTED
"Ironic isn't it -- that Mary's status would be the beginning of the great East-West Schism (Filioque controversy, late 500's)"

tells the tale.....

http://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Wars-Patriarchs-E...
RCC Superior BS - BUSTED

Melbourne, FL

#416902 Jan 20, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Fatima had nothing to do with the deposit of faith.
In fact, the deposit of faith is so sacred and built on rock, that nothing can change it. Not even a 'secret' hand delivered to our Pope from a person who said its from the Virgin Mary can change it.
EVEN if there was a supernatural event attached to the claim, as in the case of the Miracle of the Sun at Fatima.
This is why the Catholic Church is unique. Nothing can undo what the Apostles taught.
pick any 42,000 Protestant sect and you will find out every single one has reversed what was originally taught. Whether its sola scripture or sola fide or worse... Jesus is not God!
You can't provide any info (without lying) to show otherwise.
FACT: Catholics talk about all kinds of level;s of faith. And they slide back and forth in order to avoid truth and reality.

"Deposit of faith - nothing can change it" -- baloney. It changes so much you can't even tell us what the "infallible teachings" are!

FACT: Fatima, every Pope since 1917 makes the pilgrimage.

FACT: Called by Popes "the most important" in church history.

OK, when Catholic-in-denial stops spinning, I ASK AGAIN -- please tell us where we can find a list of the "infallible teachings" of this deposit of faith?

In short, it helps the spin and BS when things are made overly complicated and above all -- no one can provide specifics.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#416903 Jan 20, 2013
ReginaM wrote:
THE THEOTOKOS
by Archbishop Dmitri of Dallas and the South
The piety of the Church gives a rather prominent place to the one whom we call the Theotokos, she who gave birth to God, the ever-virgin Mary. On August 15th, we celebrate the major feast day known as the Dormition or Falling-asleep of the Mother of God. Three weeks from that date, on September 8th, we celebrate her birth. There are, of course, other feasts in her honor, and no service of the Church fails to make reference to her. Prayers are addressed to her and hymns to her glorification are sung. In them we call her "more honorable than the cherubim and without compare more glorious than the Seraphim "
It is difficult to understand a Christian piety that does not include the most Holy Theotokos.
http://www.orthodoxresearchinstitute.org/arti...
Are you Orthodox?

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#416904 Jan 20, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Only a couple 'bad Popes' Jethro, not a lot.
Perhaps 3 out of 265, and only God knows if they were truly bad and not the victims of vicious rumors.
But, lets just say they were really bad... that's less than 1%.. if 10 were corrupt, that's around 3%
Now, if you say the Church lies in her teachings, I ask which ones?
You can't provide any evidence because its not there. However, all Protestants need to lie to prove the CC wrong. That's exactly why I know I'm in the correct Church. You guys rely on deception in order to
function as a religious group.
Dream on.
I don't bother posting much here any more due to the constant childishness and politics here.
However, THIS Christian will not allow your ridiculous comments to go unchallenged.
"Tell us where we're wrong', you said... Well:

praying to Mary is WRONG. Jesus never authorized anyone to pray to her.

"Mary is the Co-redeemer" WRONG. JESUS IS THE REDEEMER.

"Mary saves all whom Jesus rejects" WRONG. Jesus CLEARLY expressed that those who are ashamed of Him (unbelievers) He will cast out. Those who identify with Him (believers) He will in no wise cast out.
Mary saves no one.
JESUS SAVES.

"Mary was crowned queen of Heaven by God" WRONG. In fact, God detests the very term.

Purgatory is the first place Roman Catholics go upon their death to be cleansed of unconfessed sins before being allowed to enter Heaven" WRONG.
The Bible God gave us CLEARLY states, "It is appointed once for men to die, then the judgement".
Purgatory does not exist, either as a place, or a 'state of mind'... It is merely romanist fiction, invented by pope 'innocent 3d', and enforced in belief with threats of excommunication, imprisonment, and burning to death as heretics anyone who refused to believe his lies.

"The Church has seven sacraments" ... WRONG. Firstly, that term is not even mentioned in the Bible God gave us. ORDINANCES are, and there are TWO... the Lord's Table, and Baptism.

"Statuary is recognized and permitted in the Church".. WRONG.
God detests statuary, and in fact, the bible clearly warns against erection of them in the church or elsewhere, for the purposes of worship, adoration, etc... They are false gods, and no one is to kneel before them. The Bible tells us, Exo_20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Lev_26:1 Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the LORD your God.
Deu_29:17 And ye have seen their abominations, and their idols, wood and stone, silver and gold, which were among them
Psa_106:36 And they served their idols: which were a snare unto them.
Psa_115:4 Their idols are silver and gold, the work of men's hands.
Psa_135:15 The idols of the heathen are silver and gold, the work of men's hands.
Isa_2:8 Their land also is full of idols; they worship the work of their own hands, that which their own fingers have made:
Isa_2:18 And the idols he shall utterly abolish.
Isa_45:16 They shall be ashamed, and also confounded, all of them: they shall go to confusion together that are makers of idols.
Hab_2:18 What profiteth the graven image that the maker thereof hath graven it; the molten image, and a teacher of lies, that the maker of his work trusteth therein, to make dumb idols?
Zec_10:2 For the idols have spoken vanity, and the diviners have seen a lie, and have told false dreams; they comfort in vain: therefore they went their way as a flock, they were troubled, because there was no shepherd.
Rev_9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:

I could go on for months on end discussing this and how WRONG romanism is. You are simply refusing to see the truth.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#416905 Jan 20, 2013
ReginaM wrote:
III. CHRIST JESUS -- "MEDIATOR AND FULLNESS OF ALL REVELATION"25
God has said everything in his Word
...yet you only believe in what men have designated?

Why don't you believe Jesus?
RCC Superior BS - BUSTED

Melbourne, FL

#416906 Jan 20, 2013
OK goofballs -- "deposit of faith" -- "perfect teachings" -- from 1600 to 200 years -- "Nothing has changed."

Super! So where the list of "perfect, infallible teachings?"

PS..........

It's interesting that after Martin Luther, Popes "infallibly" taught that Protestants were outside the Church and doomed to Hell.

Has anything changed that?

In the early 1300's, a Pope declared infallibly that no one outside the RCC could be saved.

Has that changed "infallibly?"

No problem, just show us an official unchanging list.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#416907 Jan 20, 2013
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
Well you enjoy your little tin gods, As for me and my house hold we will worship the Lord God Almighty. THE MOST HIGH GOD .
What kind of 'demon' runs away from Jesus' words, but worships "God"?

Definitely not "Christian". Are you Jewish?

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