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Pad

Rockford, IL

#416632 Jan 18, 2013
Robert F wrote:
<quoted text>
Pad
I have been putting more time in the Bible. There is a time to sow and a time to reap. I read slow, there is much to see....
The more I read, the more beautifully it reflects the Light of God's thoughts for us. It penetrates and illuminates. I will be finishing Matthew, and look forward into taking my time in Peter....
AMEN,and the Lord confirms His Word,especially as we see changes in our own spirit,mind and lives.Have a great day,have to run!Time to get ready for work,and so on.Most of the time I work evenings.I do not share what I do,so please don't ask. And I will not expect that information from you either. Praise the Lord! D a n.
LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#416633 Jan 18, 2013
Cont Matthew 8:28-34

What effect this had upon the owners. The report of it was soon brought them by the swine-herds, who seemed to be more concerned for the loss of the swine than any thing else, for they went not to tell what was befallen to the possessed of the devils, till the swine were lost, Matt. 8:33. Christ went not into the city, but the news of his being there did, by which he was willing to feel how their pulse beat, and what influence it had upon them, and then act accordingly.
commentary by Matthew Henry.
Now,(1.) Their curiosity brought them out to see Jesus. The whole city came out to meet him, that they might be able to say, they had seen a man who did such wonderful works. Thus many go out, in profession, to meet Christ for company, that have no real affection for him, nor desire to know him.

(2.) Their covetousness made them willing to be rid of him. Instead of inviting him into their city, or bringing their sick to him to be healed, they desired him to depart out of their coasts, as if they had borrowed the words of the devils, What have we to do with thee, Jesus thou Son of God? And now the devils had what they aimed at in drowning the swine; they did it, and then made the people believe that Christ had done it, and so prejudiced them against him. He seduced our first parents, by possessing them with hard thoughts of God, and kept the Gadarenes from Christ, by suggesting that he came into their country to destroy their cattle, and that he would do more hurt than good; for though he had cured two men, yet he had drowned two thousand swine. Thus the devil sows tares in God’s field, does mischief in the Christian church, and then lays the blame upon Christianity, and incenses men against that. They besought him that he would depart, lest, like Moses in Egypt, he should proceed to some other plague. Note, There are a great many who prefer their swine before their Saviour, and so come short of Christ, and salvation by him. They desire Christ to depart out of their hearts, and will not suffer his word to have a place in them, because he and his word will be the destruction of their brutish lusts—those swine which they give up themselves to feed. And justly will Christ forsake those that thus are weary of him, and say to them hereafter, Depart, ye cursed, who now say to the Almighty, Depart from us.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#416635 Jan 18, 2013
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>No Michael,sounds like God knew the outcome before it happened,and did not interfere,because He sent His only Son to not only live for 33 years,but to die a cruel death.
It was planned from the courts of heaven in that inner SANCTUM where the Father, Son and Holy Spirit commune.That Jesus would come to us in the form of Human flesh and blood,Incarnate,and be the EMMANUEL,God with us,to live a short time,be crucified and die.
Those Jewish leaders who took part in planning the demise of Jesus,were not just acting on their own,but aided by the forces of Hell,which purposed long before the earth was created to destroy anything God does,even though for the DEVIL it was futile.
You who do not believe there is EVIL,and it being represented by a celestial being, fail to see the Dichotomy in heaven,battling for Good or Evil.We human beings are caught in the conflict,because we are created by the ONE who is all[-powerful and G O O D. Satan hates everything God creates,and he tries relentlessly to demerit[-debase,devalue all that is of God.Why such a futile task for Satan? That I cannot fully answer.
But I can say that Jesus coming to earth and giving to us the plan of God's eternal salvation was not just a CAUSE to be fought for in the realm of politics.But it was God's Kingdom coming down to us here on earth who are alienated from that Kingdom due to sin and the tireless efforts of the god of this world(Satan) to keep us from receiving that kingdom.
It is beyond all of us Michael,and you forget that in life somethings are just to big to fathom or dissect into our space of reasoning and understanding.
"sounds like God knew the outcome before it happened,and did not interfere,because He sent His only Son to not only live for 33 years,but to die a cruel death."

This is only an opinion - meaning you have no facts to back this up, yet you believe it to be true thru "faith".

Clearly you understand that this can apply to every one. right?
Pad

Rockford, IL

#416634 Jan 18, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
Fear not.
The prayers are to God. We believe in intercessory prayer.
It is probably better if it were made clearer that Catholics pray for the intercession of Mary and the Saints,not t o them.But actions speak louder than words!
LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#416636 Jan 18, 2013
Matthew 8 :28-34
commentary was from Matthew Henry
LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#416637 Jan 18, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
"I agree demons want nothing to do with Jesus they flee at the mention of His name."
Odd you say this, because when I mention what Jesus said, many of you run away from what he said.
Are you and others, demons?
NASL--- You mocker nothing more.

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#416638 Jan 18, 2013
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree demons want nothing to do with Jesus they flee at the mention of His name. Because they know who He is and understands the Judgement they are already under their is no escape for them.
First of all Jesus never did anything for nothing, He freed a man from demon possession, proved to people He is who He said He is and has the power to do what only God Himself can do.
And also proved there are some people willingly follow after the things of satan.
there is more going on here then just Jesus casting legions (numerious devils) into a bunch of swines.
The demons drove the swines into the sea to flee from Jesus.
LTM

Yes. I agree.

There is much much more to this whole series of events with the demoniac. It is on a personal level, and large scale end-times level as well....

The territory they were in was Gentile, under the Roman Empire....
The man represents all who come to faith in Jesus, especially the Gentiles here.
The man was cured, but Jesus upsets the economy of the world in his vicinity, as he did in the Temple, and in the endtimes as well.
Jesus left the man to spread the gospel around the Gentiles. He did, and he did it well, for when Jesus returned to the territory latter, rather than getting cast out, he was welcomed by crowds....

There are lots of things to ponder in this teaching....
Dan

Omaha, NE

#416639 Jan 18, 2013
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>It is probably better if it were made clearer that Catholics pray for the intercession of Mary and the Saints,not t o them.But actions speak louder than words!
How much clearer can they make it? Should we wear sandwich signs?

They have a voluminous Catehchism that anyone on Earth can read online in their own language.

Not a single syllable in there about according divine worship to anyone but God.

Perhaps those who think otherwise and choose to opine same should do their own research, yes?

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#416640 Jan 18, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Because I want to make sure you are honest with me and really know what you are talking about.
This is the first time, I'm wondering if you will continue.
<quoted text>
"Symbolically" - nothing more, nothing less.
But, IMO, and based upon your posts, you think it is a place where demons are collected for eternity.
Of course - like many times in the past - you only have a speculative presumption by other men to believe in.
Any video evidences of demons swimming about?
I didn't think so, either.
<quoted text>
Like I said, I ask, to see how honest you really are.
So far, you haven't been.
"Don't you think it makes you look stupid?"
- Not at all. FYI - the only stupid answer is the one not asked.
<quoted text>
Funny - a so-called Catholic using a Jewish link.
"John referred to the Abyss often in his Revelation (9:1,11, 11:7, 17:8). It is clearly the abode of the one who is the epitome of evil, Satan (Rev. 20:1-3)."
- which is not a sea
"The depths of the sea are seen as the home of demons, a place called the Abyss, the home of evil spirits, according to Jewish tradition."
- ACCORDING TO JEWISH TRADITION
- you aren't Jewish
But thanks for the link.
NASL

Sorry I have no photos for you. They appear bright in the mind, but in the environment are so dark, no light reflects off of them.

Kind of like black holes in space. Thats scientific tradition.(smile).

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#416641 Jan 18, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Prove that you "know God".
Why do you continue with this charade?
Is this how you acquire followers? Through misleading them with lies?
NASL

God left me His calling card. It describes what His Business is, and His Qualifications. Its called the Bible. If you find one, read it.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#416642 Jan 18, 2013
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>It is probably better if it were made clearer that Catholics pray for the intercession of Mary and the Saints,not t o them.But actions speak louder than words!
Pad-

Here's a scenario I'll write using logic employed by many protestants on this board. I'm in quotation marks here.

"Pad's church sacrifices poodles and prays to the entrails".

You might ask where I'd heard such a thing.

"I read it on a website from John Blogger"

You-Is John Blogger a member of my church?

"No".

Where did he tell you he heard that?

"Another non-member of your church on the radio"

Here's what my church believes-see (cites source actaully FROM your church)? It doesn't say that. We don't do that.

"Oh-I never thought to actually look at the source".

Well, I better do a better job of telling people I don't do what I don't do already.
----------

See what I mean?

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#416643 Jan 18, 2013
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
NASL--- You mocker nothing more.
"Mocker"?

What is this title?

Is this something you know for sure? How is this, when you and I have never met?

Why are you making up things about me and causing yourself to lie?

According to Jesus or "God", lying is bad, and Jesus will say "I've never known you."

Are you sure you want to go through life with this applied to you?

Of course you do, because an apology is out fo the question, huh?

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#416644 Jan 18, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:

"I agree demons want nothing to do with Jesus they flee at the mention of His name."
Odd you say this, because when I mention what Jesus said, many of you run away from what he said.
Are you and others, demons?
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
NASL--- You mocker nothing more.
BTW LTM - you didn't answer my question, but only diverted from it, and pushed that diversion back to me.

Well are you? You have run away from the words of Jesus that I've presented?

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#416645 Jan 18, 2013
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>AMEN,and the Lord confirms His Word,especially as we see changes in our own spirit,mind and lives.Have a great day,have to run!Time to get ready for work,and so on.Most of the time I work evenings.I do not share what I do,so please don't ask. And I will not expect that information from you either. Praise the Lord! D a n.
Dan

Do have a blessed day.

The changes are of course growth, and trimming to be like Jesus.

The fruit and gifts of the Holy Spirit make the labor joyful.

Our Father is pleased, in doing His Good Will.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#416646 Jan 18, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
How much clearer can they make it? Should we wear sandwich signs?
They have a voluminous Catehchism that anyone on Earth can read online in their own language.
Not a single syllable in there about according divine worship to anyone but God.
Perhaps those who think otherwise and choose to opine same should do their own research, yes?
....yes I agree...like Robert F, LTM, preston, and even FoL.

All of whom have said they "know" what "God" does and doesn't do.

In the least, you have admitted that you can't attain that knowledge, which is honesty.

Thanks you for that portion.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#416647 Jan 18, 2013
Robert F wrote:
<quoted text>
NASL
Sorry I have no photos for you. They appear bright in the mind, but in the environment are so dark, no light reflects off of them.
Kind of like black holes in space. Thats scientific tradition.(smile).
Of course you don't.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#416648 Jan 18, 2013
Robert F wrote:
<quoted text>
NASL
God left me His calling card. It describes what His Business is, and His Qualifications. Its called the Bible. If you find one, read it.
Bullshite.

Man created the Bible.

Strike 1.

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#416649 Jan 18, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
Robert F wrote:
I can't make you time travel back to Jesus' time, and have you talk to him or anyone else about what the Jewish people symbolically thought of the Sea of Galilee(Gennesaret).
New Age writes:
Robert - BTW - this is also from your link about the "abyss" - in the NOTES sectiona t the bottom.
"2. The disciples thought Jesus was a ghost ( Mark 6:49), consistent with the view that the sea harbored demonic forces.
Please notice even this individual is stating that Jesus was already in Spirit form, when this episode occurred.
- Either establishing he was already dead, and this was a vision someone had, or a made up story altogether.
Mark 6:49:
"49 But seeing him walking on the sea they thought that it was a specter, and cried out; "
http://www.codexsinaiticus.org/en/manuscript.... Query&book=34&chapter= 6&lid=en&side=r&ve rse=49&zoomSlider=0
NASL

Like so many other times, what the disciples thought was wrong, and Jesus made a teaching on faith out of their misconceptions. You are reading incorrectly. It is what they thought, and not what actually was real.

Jesus was not dead, or a spectre when he walked on the water. Neither was Peter when he got out of the boat, and Jesus pulled him up.
Free MInd

Melbourne, FL

#416650 Jan 18, 2013
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>It is probably better if it were made clearer that Catholics pray for the intercession of Mary and the Saints,not t o them.But actions speak louder than words!
Why would the Creator of the Universe need intercession or advice -- from anyone about anything?

Absurd.

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#416651 Jan 18, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Of course you don't.
I don't have a camera fast enough to take their picture. They move faster than the speed of light....

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