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“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#416590 Jan 18, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
As an ex-Catholic, you need to get over it too. Don't they have some good shrooms in your neck if the woods? Maybe that would help.
Yes I am an ex-Catholic, that much is true.

As for me getting over it....oh I have. I've accepted the apologists as they are, and sadly regret the life you have chosen.

As for mushrooms in my part of the states - I'm not sure, I only eat muchrooms I buy from the grocer.

Sorry to disappoint you.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#416591 Jan 18, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah right, non Catholics are never guilty of using a double standard. Your poor parents....
Again, you are making a suppostion without support.

You Catholics do this often. Why?

Why don't you provide support for your far-fetched claims?

Afraid of the truths, huh?

It's okay, I know where you are in that regard.

Is this why you don't believe Jesus?

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#416592 Jan 18, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:

Citation please - of your comparative atatement. One that includes this comparison.
"The Sea of Galilee was known as the Abyss."
Citation please of this "truth" you supply.
"The swine did not decide to run into the Abyss. This was the only place reserved for demons to exist....(Not some invention of mine.)"
- After all,you have stated that it is '(Not some invention of mine.)'
Thanks!
Robert F wrote:
<quoted text>
NASL
Fight or flight(citation enough)....The demon infested pigs could not prevail/fight against the Truth, and the demons fled/returned from where they came from, the Sea of Galilee, the Abyss.
Note also while in a storm, the disciples thought they saw a "ghost" walking on the water, when it was Jesus. Beneath the troubled surface was where the demons "lived".
I gave two sites to read concerning Galilee as being the Abyss.
Maybe now you see the analogy of the Titanic going down to the deep cold Atlantic?
Again you divert from providing your citation. Why?

Making up things that are not true is misleading and causes misunderstanding.

Please provide the citation to your claims.

Thanks!

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#416593 Jan 18, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't think Michael (or others) have ever expressed an interest in trying to convince anyone "to lose faith and hope".
IMO - he (like those others) posts facts that many Catholics refuse to acknowledge as truths, especially when they relate to those known problems and issues which ARE present in the RCC today.
He also agrees that with these problems and issues in the RCC, there are very few followers who have stood up and organized against those involved in those situations.
You and the other so-called "Catholics" as far as I can say (based upon your posts) you don't get involved.
In other words, you support and help pay for the abuse - through your donations and so-called 'service'. Which leads to a point that you have never answered through honesty - that you don't. Those are the semantics that you and many of those followers refuse to admit.
You aren't honest with yourself or with others in these regards.
"to know yourself is to know the kingdom of God." - Jesus
MICHAEL wrote:
<quoted text>
Thankyou.... NASL!
All catholics should read your post, and ask themselves why they too have been so SILENT! when the victims needed them most.
I hope my characterisation was somewhat accurate. I apologize if I was incorrect.

Cheers!

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#416594 Jan 18, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
I know you say 'no'.
I say 'I don't care what you say, as an ex-Catholic your opinions and suggestions for the Church are meaningless, you should find a more relaxing past time, like paying attention to your wife.'
Not true.

We are still part of the "Church." Thus we get a say, whether you think otherwise.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#416595 Jan 18, 2013
Robert F wrote:
<quoted text>
NASL
Well, coming from someone that is programmed to think absolutely everything is relative, and relatively everything is absolute, I can see your point. But you certainly have a hard time proving anything....
I've proven my posts.

This is something I cannot say for you.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#416596 Jan 18, 2013
Robert F wrote:
<quoted text>
NASL
You called my post prophetic....That it may be. Only time will reveal it.
All I can add is that things will deteriorate more in the U.S., until/unless there is a return to faith in God.
Your prophecy is heresy whether you think it is or not.

No, "a return to faith in God" is not the answer.

Knowing yourself, using honesty, will bring one closer to "God" than anything else.

Why don't you believe Jesus?

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#416597 Jan 18, 2013
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
SORRY PRESTON HAD TO ERASE SOME OF YOUR POST
I was just reading about this today.
The story of Jesus casting the legion of demons into a herd of pigs is found in Matthew 8:30-37; Mark 5:1-20; and Luke 8:27-38. Only Matthew mentions the more prominent of the two demoniacs involved. Demoniacs were persons whose minds came under the control of an evil spirit or spirits. That such phenomena were especially prominent during the days of Christ’s earthly ministry is consistent with Satan’s efforts to counteract God’s program. It also allows us to witness the spiritual warfare in which our Savior was constantly engaged. Demons knew exactly who Jesus was—"Son of God"—and were aware of their ultimate doom (Matthew 8:28-29).
As Jesus was traveling in the hilly region east of the Jordan River, the path of this man who was controlled by demons and lived among the tombs crossed that of Jesus. Because of the physical strength the demons gave the man, he was able to break and throw off the chains with which people tried to bind him. When the demons begged Jesus to let them go into a herd of pigs, He gave them permission. They entered the pigs, rushed down the steep bank into the lake, and were drowned. Jesus thereby made known His authority and thwarted whatever evil purpose the demons had.
Why the demons begged to be allowed to enter the swine is unclear from the account. It could be because they didn’t want to leave the area where they had been successful in doing their mischief among the people. Perhaps they were drawn to the unclean animals because of their own filthiness. The demons may have made this strange request because it was their last chance to avoid confinement in the Abyss, the place of confinement to which evil spirits are doomed (Revelation 9:1-6). Whatever their reasoning, it is clear from the account that demons had little power of their own and were unable to do anything without Jesus’ permission. As Christians, we can take comfort in the knowledge that the forces of the enemy of our souls are under the complete control of God and can only act in ways He allows.
The Bible doesn’t explain to us Jesus’ reasoning, but displaying His sovereign power over demons could be one reason why Jesus sent them into the pigs. If the pigs’ owners were Jews, Jesus could have been rebuking them for violating Mosaic law which forbids Jews from eating or keeping unclean animals such as swine (Leviticus 11:7). If the swineherds were Gentiles, perhaps Jesus was using this miraculous event to show them the malice of evil spirits under whose influence they lived, as well as displaying His own power and authority over creation. In any case, the owners were so terrified to be in the presence of such spiritual power that they made no demand for restitution for the loss of their property and begged Jesus to leave the region. The people were awe-struck but unrepentant—they wanted no more of Jesus Christ. This shows the hardness of their hearts and their desire to remain in sin. The healed demoniac, on the other hand, demonstrated the true faith and repentance of a changed heart and begged to be allowed to follow Jesus. Perhaps the unmistakable difference between the saved and the unsaved was an object lesson for the disciples and all who witnessed the event.
(shortened for a response...)
www.gotquestions.org - Bible Questions Answered
LTM

Commentary by Matthew Henry "The devils have nothing to do with Christ as a Saviour; they neither have, nor hope for any benefit from him. Oh the depth of this mystery of Divine love; that fallen man has so much to do with Christ, when fallen angels have nothing to do with him! Heb 2:16."

This is the reason the swine/demons ran into the Sea of Galilee, known as the Abyss....I am glad this writer mentions it, but didn't understand the whole spiritual intent of this teaching in context.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#416598 Jan 18, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
You, like Mike and Freemind, left the Church long before the abuse scandal came to light. You lost your faith and hope and want us to join you. It's not gonna happen, sorry. Tilt at some other windmill.
Not true again.

I've lost faith in men trying to define "God".

You haven't. In other words, you prefer to listen to fallible men, instead of "that little voice inside you".

Since I've chosen to listen to that voice and utilize what Jesus tried to teach, that puts me right where everyone should be - honest with myself and others, which puts fear outside my world.

Why are you continuing to make things up about me that are untrue?

If you think I;m shaking up your faith, you have a lot to learn about what Jesus actually taught and what your heirarchy teaches.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#416599 Jan 18, 2013
preston wrote:
<quoted text>I certainly dont agree with hismpremise that this water was the only place reserved for demons.
but here is a Bible vese that might clarify WHY they junped into the water.
When an unclean spirit goes out of a man, he goes through dry places, seeking rest, and finds none.
so they must need water at one time or another.
and we oftimes hear of "sea monsters' such as Loch Ness and more mythical or legendary creatures than are or have been spoken of.
How are men to know what an unclean or clean spirit feels like?

Literally, if one is to research the "spirit", one will find evidence of both good and bad types, but not all bad are "bad" and seem to be trying to make amends. Of course this is speculative by all means, but there is eveidence to support boths sides.

Which would also negate this passage completely.

Cheers!

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#416600 Jan 18, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
Citation please - of your comparative atatement. One that includes this comparison.
"The Sea of Galilee was known as the Abyss."
Citation please of this "truth" you supply.
"The swine did not decide to run into the Abyss. This was the only place reserved for demons to exist....(Not some invention of mine.)"
- After all,you have stated that it is '(Not some invention of mine.)'
Thanks!
<quoted text>
Again you divert from providing your citation. Why?
Making up things that are not true is misleading and causes misunderstanding.
Please provide the citation to your claims.
Thanks!
NASL

citation, citation....Why do you ask for them since you don't believe anything that is not direct firsthand to/of yourself?

I can't make you time travel back to Jesus' time, and have you talk to him or anyone else about what the Jewish people symbolically thought of the Sea of Galilee(Gennesaret). So why ask? Don't you think it makes you look stupid? I don't want that....

Can't you just Google it....Sea of Galilee Abyss?
Oh well, I guess I will start you off...,just start with this article, it ties in well with Sea of Galilee, Abyss, Satan, demons......

http://followtherabbi.com/guide/detail/sea-of...

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#416601 Jan 18, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
I've proven my posts.
This is something I cannot say for you.
NASL

lol. Yes you have proven your posts..., creation/creature is your god. Self/self you call it.

Hmmmm. Oh well, I am not trying to prove anything anyway....
Free MInd

Melbourne, FL

#416602 Jan 18, 2013
MICHAEL wrote:
<quoted text>
Does Anthony think only church going people are generous with their time and money?
"The Bubble boy" needs to get into the real world where everyday good people live and do good deeds everyday.
I think he has told me now maybe 15-20 times that he isn't going to post to many anymore. What a phoney!
He cannot defend absurdity with reason. His assumed spiritual superiority has its drawbacks.

Truth and reality can be especially pesky.

His having to take the side of a big bully against sexually-abused orphans can't be easy for him either.

Of course he replies. He is calling for help. He needs your understanding.
Free MInd

Melbourne, FL

#416603 Jan 18, 2013
MICHAEL wrote:
<quoted text>
Claypool says.....The Catholic Church has had problems in every decade since Christ. There was bad Priests, Bishops and laity since day one. They all violated Catholic teachings and sinned.
It will be that way for the next 2,000 yrs too.
MICHAEL says..... If the Catholic church was a business, it would have gone out of business 1,990 years ago, according to your description.
...Is the church that dysfunctional that it can't learn from its mistakes?......and according to you, the same mistakes will continue for another 2,000 years.
What a poor track record. Is no one in the church correcting mistakes as they happen?
UNBELIEVABLE!
If Jesus died on the Cross to save 5% of humanity, then it might begin to make sense.

Otherwise, this church is a social, moral, and ethical failure.

That's why Catholics immigrate TO REFORMATION societies and AWAY FROM totalitarian Catholic societies.

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#416604 Jan 18, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Your prophecy is heresy whether you think it is or not.
No, "a return to faith in God" is not the answer.
Knowing yourself, using honesty, will bring one closer to "God" than anything else.
Why don't you believe Jesus?
NASL

Why don't you believe in Jesus?

I abide by faith, in love, because God first loved me, and sent Jesus to be my Saviour. Now since God has shown me his Love first,
I hear his Voice, because I know Him.
Pad

Rockford, IL

#416605 Jan 18, 2013
ReginaM wrote:
<quoted text>
Those sites are bogus.
Hey, did you hear? Evangelical ecclesial gathering groups are charging $25k per altar call! And they're not giving anyone a break either. If someone can't afford it, tough noogies. They should be ashamed (if they had any shame)!
Sounds like a Catholic FABRICATION to me.Besides Regina,there is no way that any person visiting a church would give one penny to that church to pay for their time at the altar. Collections are made usually right after the singing,and most of the time,BEFORE the main sermon.In most churches the altars are open to those who want to pray for whatever reason.

People go forward for prayer and to have united prayer for healing,of which guess what? We get sick,have many maladies and suffer the same things the rest of the planet suffers.

No one pays money for prayers of healing,nor do they pay when they go forward to receive the King of Kings. OFTEN,and in the majority of evangelical churches,hands are raised as to making a decision to accept Christ after a SERMON. The Pastor does not even invite them to the altar at that point,but says if they want to come forward and pray,fine,but to charge them money,LIE<LIE<LIE, and a typical non[-evangelical move to distort the truth,like so many things you claim we distort about RCism.
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#416606 Jan 18, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Not true again.
I've lost faith in men trying to define "God".
You haven't. In other words, you prefer to listen to fallible men, instead of "that little voice inside you".
Since I've chosen to listen to that voice and utilize what Jesus tried to teach, that puts me right where everyone should be - honest with myself and others, which puts fear outside my world.
Why are you continuing to make things up about me that are untrue?
If you think I;m shaking up your faith, you have a lot to learn about what Jesus actually taught and what your heirarchy teaches.
"fallible men"?

"He who hears you hears Me"

"I will give you the keys..."

"whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven."

"feed my sheep..."
Free MInd

Melbourne, FL

#416607 Jan 18, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
I would word it like this:
"The truth shows that Free is crazy"
Is that what you were trying to say?
I defend Mary.

You defile her.

Only a narcissistic slut would threaten humanity with World War because she didn't get enough devotion.

You are the Vatican put these shameful words in her mouth:

"You have seen hell where the souls of poor sinners go. To save them, God wishes to establish in the world devotion to my Immaculate Heart. If what I say to you is done, many souls will be saved and there will be peace. The war is going to end: but if people do not cease offending God, a worse one will break out during the Pontificate of Pope Pius XI."

But that wasn't enough. Next you stand with a giant bully against sexually-abused orphans.

I stand with Mary and orphans.

You stand with Cardinal Law and the devil.

Amen
Free MInd

Melbourne, FL

#416608 Jan 18, 2013
Clay wrote:
The Catholic Church has had problems in every decade since Christ. There was bad Priests, Bishops and laity since day one. They all violated Catholic teachings and sinned.
It will be that way for the next 2,000 yrs too. This is the reality when you're involved in spiritual warfare. Thankfully, the Church is infallible in her teachings on faith and morals so we will always have that unbreakable pillar to guide us.
Tell us Clay -- how do one or two "bad Priests" protect themselves with diplomatic immunity?

I thought only the Church as an institution could do that.

Please explain.

(This should be good :o)
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#416609 Jan 18, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't think Michael (or others) have ever expressed an interest in trying to convince anyone "to lose faith and hope".
IMO - he (like those others) posts facts that many Catholics refuse to acknowledge as truths, especially when they relate to those known problems and issues which ARE present in the RCC today.
He also agrees that with these problems and issues in the RCC, there are very few followers who have stood up and organized against those involved in those situations.
You and the other so-called "Catholics" as far as I can say (based upon your posts) you don't get involved.
In other words, you support and help pay for the abuse - through your donations and so-called 'service'. Which leads to a point that you have never answered through honesty - that you don't. Those are the semantics that you and many of those followers refuse to admit.
You aren't honest with yourself or with others in these regards.
"to know yourself is to know the kingdom of God." - Jesus
<quoted text>
I hope my characterisation was somewhat accurate. I apologize if I was incorrect.
Cheers!
You did good!

...How could catholics COLLECTIVELY standby,do and say nothing to offending clergy in their parish or diocese, when the followers learned that their clergy covered up the worst despictable crimes and sin, that other clergy had committed, yet still shouting from the pulpit at every mass to the followers, to never! commit the same sins and crimes they themselves the clergy were hiding, and on top of that these lying, coverup clergy just 5 minutes later, give themselves holy communion, instructing the followers they could NEVER receive communion, with such sins on their souls.

makes no common sense.

...Instead of doing the right thing and questioning their church leaders, they attack anyone who brings the topic up.

makes no common sense.

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