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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 595849 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Since: Dec 06

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#416351 Jan 17, 2013
LTM wrote:
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Isn't re-creation an East India belief.
Paul said absent from the body is present with the Lord.
those who are not present with the Lord go to hell.
What is the differnce between hell and hells fire.
As there is no time in Heaven once we pass on all the above has already happened.
LTM

A note here. I don't think of hell as being a "hot" place in the sense we think of as hot. Rather, as an abyss.

It is the place that the swine ran when the Legion and demons when Jesus cast them out....

Also in Rev 9. It speaks of the abyss....

My opinion is that it is a dimly lit isolation, of self-torment. It is described well in Dante's Inferno. The deeper one goes, one becomes so frozen in that isolation, that one is unable to be aware of anything except personal torment.
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#416352 Jan 17, 2013
Free MInd wrote:
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Mexico City is a backward cesspool, just as Jesus intended.
......and in the middle east, God gave the Muslims all the camels, and the underground OIL that WE! need.

Life is just not fair!
Free MInd

Melbourne, FL

#416353 Jan 17, 2013
MICHAEL wrote:
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The roman catholic church is a mans world.
The church leaders ALWAYS dumps on women.
... The american catholic nuns.....DUMPED ON!
...Women having abortions, DUMPED ON!, but no action against their husbands or boyfriends who are 50% responsible.
.....Women are NOT allowed to have any policy making abilities in the church.....DUMPED ON!
.....The use of contraception is always directed towards women. DUMPED ON!
....If women are good enough to be baptized, why are women not good enough to be ordained clergy? DUMPED ON!
.....Women must wear hats in church, men don't have to. DUMPED ON!
It has been stated several times that the Bishops/Cardinals in Rome are women haters!
Need I say more?
The status of women and slaves have both changed since the early Iron Age.

Today the Church says slavery was wrong but simply a product of ancient culture.

On the other hand, discrimination against women is divinely inspired -- and certainly not a product of ancient culture.

Guess who is being left behind in the dustbin of history?
ReginaM

Jackson, NJ

#416354 Jan 17, 2013
TheBlackSheep wrote:
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How many days of prayer for the abused children?
How many days of prayer for hiding the abusers?
How many days of prayer for outing all those involved?
Do you consider murder a greater or lesser evil than abuse?
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#416355 Jan 17, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
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That's an old story. The sexual revolution starting in the late '60's resulted in a lot of new age hippies running the seminaries in the '70's and '80's. They're being run out and are all but gone now. Sorry to burst your bubble.
And actually the Vatican has been very aggressively behind cleaning up the slime in the seminaries.
From the NYT;
"Investigators appointed by the Vatican have been instructed to review each of the 229 Roman Catholic seminaries in the United States for "evidence of homosexuality" and for faculty members who dissent from church teaching, according to a document prepared to guide the process."
Good info here;
http://wdtprs.com/blog/2009/01/released-vatic...
Of course Mikey, we know that you really don't have a problem with dissenting gay priests. In fact, we know you think the Church should embrace active homosexual priests. We also know that your only interst in these issues is for the purpose of attacking the Church and faithful Catholics. You should get some counselling for your obssession.
Anthony, Thanks for reading my posts!

You tell us you own and operate 2 businesses during the day, yet you seem to post on this forum all morning/afternoon. When you go home, how do you tell your wife you had a hard day at work when nothing actually got done?

If you belong to the church, and you help pay the bills of the church, shouldn't you know all the good and all the bad ......of the church?

I would want to know.



Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#416356 Jan 17, 2013
Free MInd wrote:
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Thanks Rob.
I know what the Church says. Many church websites make it very clear.
http://www.archny.org/pastoral/faq---annulmen...
I know it pains you how matter-of-fact it has become. I believe most Priests feel the same way.
Is it a money-maker? On the surface, it seems easy and cheap. So certainly not.
In my experience, I had two friends go through the process and both needed to appeal. Both were ultimately granted, but at a cost far higher than "cheap." In fact, many thousands.
But is that really the point?
Whether it's for money or another reason, like bolstering RCC membership -- the rhetorical question is -- are 60,000 annulments/year in the USA "perfect teachings on morals?"
Free Mind

I was writing on justice for child abuse....

But I think you have a valid point with respect to annulments.

There are to many of them.

Around 3000 in the 1960s
Around 60,000 now!

Why?

This society has become barbaric. And those who think we are so advanced....Jeesh....The children are not able to think, because they are not taught how to think....

The results are that this nation's descent is all around but few see. The Church can do little against the wind of these times, but hold on to its faith.

It appears the problem is just starting as the barbaric culture in which we live, and now is the New Dark Age, will take a long time from which the Church teachings will reawaken, and be able to re-establish a moral base to build a new society....

I suspect that other societies will arise sooner than this one. On a societal level resistance to accepting there is even a problem here is evidence that the slide downhill will continue. I think it is the result of being dual-minded in our approach.
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#416357 Jan 17, 2013
ReginaM wrote:
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Do you consider murder a greater or lesser evil than abuse?
The abusers took away the lives of untold thousands of the very children they sexually abused, mostly CATHLOLIC boys. Many committed suicide, many needed psycological help, but you wouldn't tell us that. These victims screamed for help, yet no one responded, INCLUDING the bishops who had first hand knowledge SHAMEFUL!

Why didn't you walk with placards in front of your bishops mansion when abuses were going on in your own dioceses to stop the pain and agony of children? SILENCE!

I am pro-life, but abortions will go on in hospitals or back alleyways as they once did. Its a terrible situation.



Anthony MN

Eden Prairie, MN

#416359 Jan 17, 2013
MICHAEL wrote:
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Anthony, Thanks for reading my posts!
You tell us you own and operate 2 businesses during the day, yet you seem to post on this forum all morning/afternoon. When you go home, how do you tell your wife you had a hard day at work when nothing actually got done?
If you belong to the church, and you help pay the bills of the church, shouldn't you know all the good and all the bad ......of the church?
I would want to know.
To date you have not posted a single negative issue about the Church that I'm not already aware of. What amazes you is that people have enough faith Jesus to accept the failings of men and believe that His Church will not succumb to the unrelenting attacks from outside AND inside.

I think you're jealous and resentful of people that have that strong faith which you clearly lack. I think it's important for me to tell you that. I certainly would want to know.
ReginaM

Jackson, NJ

#416358 Jan 17, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
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That's an old story. The sexual revolution starting in the late '60's resulted in a lot of new age hippies running the seminaries in the '70's and '80's. They're being run out and are all but gone now. Sorry to burst your bubble.
And actually the Vatican has been very aggressively behind cleaning up the slime in the seminaries.
From the NYT;
"Investigators appointed by the Vatican have been instructed to review each of the 229 Roman Catholic seminaries in the United States for "evidence of homosexuality" and for faculty members who dissent from church teaching, according to a document prepared to guide the process."
Good info here;
http://wdtprs.com/blog/2009/01/released-vatic...
Of course Mikey, we know that you really don't have a problem with dissenting gay priests. In fact, we know you think the Church should embrace active homosexual priests. We also know that your only interst in these issues is for the purpose of attacking the Church and faithful Catholics. You should get some counselling for your obssession.
He not only doesn't have a problem with them, he supports them wholeheartedly. Let's face it, anyone who's on this board 24/7 the way he and his tootsie-pie are doesn't have a wife, at least not one who's a female. That kind of anger against the Church comes almost exclusively from the 'gay' community. It's pretty obvious that those two are flaming!
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#416360 Jan 17, 2013
Free MInd wrote:
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The status of women and slaves have both changed since the early Iron Age.
Today the Church says slavery was wrong but simply a product of ancient culture.
On the other hand, discrimination against women is divinely inspired -- and certainly not a product of ancient culture.
Guess who is being left behind in the dustbin of history?
Most educated YOUNG catholic women today have no interest in an organization that descriminates women from men. Women have empowered themselves (rightfully so)

I have stated before, I believe many of the hirearchy of the church have no use for women in the church, and they would never entertain the belief that a woman could equal a bishop or cardinal in any sense. That is why the hirearchy are dumping on the nuns. Nuns went out and educated themselves running hospitals and nursing homes with degrees in sociology etc. and NO bishop or cardinal would ever believe any nun could equal them in intelligence.

It was only 95 years ago when women weren't even allowed to vote in america, and at that time men thought that to be just fine.

Give it a couple generations and there will be married priests and women priests and catholics then will say "WHAT A GREAT IDEA"



Since: Dec 06

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#416361 Jan 17, 2013
MICHAEL wrote:
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Why do more american catholic women have abortions per 1,000 than do protestant women?
Maybe you should be asking that question?
....According to the Alan Guttmacher Institute, which tracks reproductive health data, non-Hispanic Catholic women of childbearing age are 29% more likely than their Protestant counterparts to have abortions (full study*). The rate is even higher--33%--if Hispanics are factored in. Another way of looking at it: while Protestant women make up about 54% of the population, they account for only 37% of the abortions. Catholic women make up 31% of the population and account for 31% of the abortions.
....Given the Catholic Church's longstanding position against abortion, one would think the abortion rate would be far lower than the population as a whole -- and yet, if anything, it seems to be higher.
....This paradox puzzles Catholic leaders on both sides of the issue--like Helen Alvare, the former chief pro-life strategist and spokeswoman for the National Conference of Catholic Bishops, and Frances Kissling, president of Catholics for Free Choice.
I myself am pro-life.
Michael

I have heard this from you too many times to respond anymore.

Why do you want it explained, if you don't listen?

Ah, I forgot. You just want to keep posting it. Its good anti-christ, anti-God material....

You are not pro-life. You are pro status-quo.
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#416362 Jan 17, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
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That's an old story. The sexual revolution starting in the late '60's resulted in a lot of new age hippies running the seminaries in the '70's and '80's. They're being run out and are all but gone now. Sorry to burst your bubble.
And actually the Vatican has been very aggressively behind cleaning up the slime in the seminaries.
From the NYT;
"Investigators appointed by the Vatican have been instructed to review each of the 229 Roman Catholic seminaries in the United States for "evidence of homosexuality" and for faculty members who dissent from church teaching, according to a document prepared to guide the process."
Good info here;
http://wdtprs.com/blog/2009/01/released-vatic...
Of course Mikey, we know that you really don't have a problem with dissenting gay priests. In fact, we know you think the Church should embrace active homosexual priests. We also know that your only interst in these issues is for the purpose of attacking the Church and faithful Catholics. You should get some counselling for your obssession.
Anthony says....... The sexual revolution starting in the late '60's resulted in a lot of new age hippies running the seminaries in the '70's and '80's.

Michael says......and these "SEXUAL REVOLUTION" priests from the 60s/70s/80s are NOW! the bishops and cardinals who run the catholic church TODAY!!.


Below from the end November 2010. Bishops conference.

http://culturecampaign.blogspot.ca/2010/11/us...

BUSTED! again!
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#416363 Jan 17, 2013
Robert F wrote:
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Michael
I have heard this from you too many times to respond anymore.
Why do you want it explained, if you don't listen?
Ah, I forgot. You just want to keep posting it. Its good anti-christ, anti-God material....
You are not pro-life. You are pro status-quo.
If abortions are on the front burner of the church, why not start addressing the issue where they are most prevalent? Catholic women.

Yes I have posted this before, not sure who I posted it to.

I am sure the over 400,000 posts on this forum have covered every facet of the catholic church hundreds of times over.

Why is my topic any different? You started the thread about abortion and I am sure this is not your first time posting about it.

MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#416364 Jan 17, 2013
ReginaM wrote:
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He not only doesn't have a problem with them, he supports them wholeheartedly. Let's face it, anyone who's on this board 24/7 the way he and his tootsie-pie are doesn't have a wife, at least not one who's a female. That kind of anger against the Church comes almost exclusively from the 'gay' community. It's pretty obvious that those two are flaming!


ReginaM. says the GAY COMMUNITY!

Michael says where is that? The Gay community? Is it in New Jersey? Is it in Minnesota? Tell us where the Gay community resides?(lol)

Did I ever call you a lesbian? Maybe you are. Maybe you are using reverse phsycology on us.

Do you watch Ellen?

unbelievable!



MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#416365 Jan 17, 2013
ReginaM wrote:
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He not only doesn't have a problem with them, he supports them wholeheartedly. Let's face it, anyone who's on this board 24/7 the way he and his tootsie-pie are doesn't have a wife, at least not one who's a female. That kind of anger against the Church comes almost exclusively from the 'gay' community. It's pretty obvious that those two are flaming!
Let me see. Catholic women cannot be ordained priests, bishops, cardinals or pope, and at the very bottom rung they can't become a deacon either. Can women have any policy making ability in the church other than be relegated to baking muffins for the bake sale?

Maybe old catholics like yourself are OK with this, you follow orders, you always do what you are told, but ask many of the young catholic women coming along. Baking cookies is not their forte, they have much more to offer but the church says........sorry! men only. Women are not qualifiers.

preston

Waverly, OH

#416366 Jan 17, 2013
Robert F wrote:
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LTM
A note here. I don't think of hell as being a "hot" place in the sense we think of as hot. Rather, as an abyss.
It is the place that the swine ran when the Legion and demons when Jesus cast them out....
Also in Rev 9. It speaks of the abyss....
My opinion is that it is a dimly lit isolation, of self-torment. It is described well in Dante's Inferno. The deeper one goes, one becomes so frozen in that isolation, that one is unable to be aware of anything except personal torment.
robert , dont try and teach something when you dont know what you are talking about.

THE BIBLE;
And forthwith Jesus gave them leave. And the unclean spirits went out, and entered into the swine: and the herd ran violently down a steep place into the sea,(they were about two thousand;) and were choked in the sea.

YOU;I don't think of hell as being a "hot" place in the sense we think of as hot. Rather, as an abyss.
It is the place that the swine ran when the Legion and demons when Jesus cast them out....

an abyss is what seperates us from hell, not hell itself
ReginaM

Jackson, NJ

#416367 Jan 17, 2013
MICHAEL wrote:
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The abusers took away the lives of untold thousands of the very children they sexually abused, mostly CATHLOLIC boys. Many committed suicide, many needed psycological help, but you wouldn't tell us that. These victims screamed for help, yet no one responded, INCLUDING the bishops who had first hand knowledge SHAMEFUL!
Why didn't you walk with placards in front of your bishops mansion when abuses were going on in your own dioceses to stop the pain and agony of children? SILENCE!
I am pro-life, but abortions will go on in hospitals or back alleyways as they once did. Its a terrible situation.
No, you're not pro-life. You just want some here to think you are.

You posted *against* the Church on another thread where the topic was about the Church being pro-life. If you were really pro-life, you would have supported the Church in that regard at least. Nope, you're the same old phony you always were.

You've gotten enough attention for one day. Get back behind your "wife's" apron, LOL!
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#416368 Jan 17, 2013
ReginaM wrote:
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No, you're not pro-life. You just want some here to think you are.
You posted *against* the Church on another thread where the topic was about the Church being pro-life. If you were really pro-life, you would have supported the Church in that regard at least. Nope, you're the same old phony you always were.
You've gotten enough attention for one day. Get back behind your "wife's" apron, LOL!
.....Everyone who is pro-life is not catholic. DUH! I have never stated against pro-life, and I don't know what forum you are talking about that I posted on.

Why would I support the church, when I quit the church, as many even on this forum have done? Pro life is not exclusive to the catholic church.

Maybe I am wrong, but what great strides has the catholic church done to stop abortions?


I remember when abortions were illegal, and many young women died along with their babies (fetus) by themselves in a dark alley because they had no where to turn and no one to help them. There is no clear cut answer. Abortions have always gone on and always will.

Abortion is a terrible thing, but there is no clear cut answer if women want to have them.

What is your answer? More placarding in front of hospitals? What good has that done?







disciple

Temecula, CA

#416369 Jan 17, 2013
Robert Dye wrote:
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Wull ... there is a bit of a point here. Not that I agree that the Church is selling annulments, but I think there IS a perception that this happens.
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Just looking at some of the Kennedy cases makes me shake my head.
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When my diocese was founded in 1972, the priests pushed for a policy that there would be absolutely NO document or processing fee for annulments.(The process is kind of expensive, what with all the Xerox costs, postage, and time for the priests who serve on the tribunal.) Rather, annulments would be funded through the Diocesan Development Fund, SPECIFICALLY to avoid the appearance that we were "selling annulments."
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As for disciple calling this "simony," you've got me. It makes no sense.
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Simony is the sale of a religious office, and is prohibited by Canon Law (specifically BECAUSE it had happened in the past. You generally don't prhibit something no one has ever done. You don't even think about it.)
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Most of the folks who spend time attacking the CC on the board are not worth the time. They don't WANT to know what the CC actually teaches ... they just want to make an attack.
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Meh.
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Rob
Show me annulment in the Bible.
I can't find simony in it but I can tell why it is call that way.
Again annulment is simony.
Free MInd

Melbourne, FL

#416370 Jan 17, 2013
MICHAEL wrote:
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ReginaM. says the GAY COMMUNITY!
Michael says where is that? The Gay community? Is it in New Jersey? Is it in Minnesota? Tell us where the Gay community resides?(lol)
Did I ever call you a lesbian? Maybe you are. Maybe you are using reverse phsycology on us.
Do you watch Ellen?
unbelievable!
Yes Michael, you and I are now "gay" --- because that's all they have.

If you or I were on a Catholic Forum, they might have a point. But they fail to remember the TOPIC of this board.

Is their "ONE-TRUE" Church spiritually superior... or not?

Obviously NOT, because their only come-backs are "gay," idiot," etc.

That make me proud.

We are persecuted by creeps - for defending TRUTH, JUSTICE, and AMERICA.

Keep up the great work sir.

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