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LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#416311 Jan 17, 2013
preston wrote:
<quoted text>he is probably disagreeing with this statement of yours.
Once a person soul leaves the body they are either in heaven with the Lord or they are in Hell, and will remind there for all eternity.
I certainly agree with the first part of this statement. when my grandfather died and soon came back to life, he had been in the Presence of what he called the "greats in heaven". andd I certainly would neve disagree with him words and what he saw, and in 1982, as I asked God when i was going to do the job that He told me about, the Lord answered.
as far as hell is concerned, the Bible says that hell and the grave gave up the dead that are in them and they are cast into the lake of fire.
Yes it does say that my mistake.
Do you believe the the story of Lazarus and the rich man was a true or just a story.
Jesus told to show how things are going to be.
Because it is clear that Lazarus was in Heaven and the rich man was in hell.
Free MInd

Melbourne, FL

#416312 Jan 17, 2013
MICHAEL wrote:
<quoted text>
What would Jesus think about this?
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/...
This story was from 10 years ago but fits exactly as things have unfolded the past few years.
Catholics need to wake up and know whats really going on in their church.
Shocker :o) Fundamentalist Religion is a means of sexual self-denial.

From your link (thank you);

"Like the gay underground in the British Foreign Office of the past where for scores of years the road to advancement was open only to homosexuals, the Lavender Mafia has been the gatekeeper determining who will be admitted to seminaries and ultimately to the Roman Catholic priesthood. In Goodbye! Good Men: How Catholic Seminaries Turned Away Two Generations of Vocations From the Priesthood," author Michael S. Rose quotes a former Mundelein seminarian, Joseph Kellenyi, as saying: "The issue was never one of my suitability for ordination. Rather it was that the gay clique had been given veto power over who got ordained."

You saw it, I saw it, 99% of movie and comedy club audiences saw it.

But no Catholic here did?

Ahhhh, the "perfect only-true" church thing. I get it.
LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#416313 Jan 17, 2013
Sherlayne wrote:
<quoted text>
Back in '78 my annulment cost me $350. Not bad. They never told me what it was based on. I don't care, I got it.
NOW one reason for annulment is whether or not a person was psychologically "mature enough" at the time of the marriage. That is ridiculous, as I doubt anybody is ever fully psychologically mature.
I never did believe in the annulment process as I see it as a loophole, nothing more. I wasn't even going to apply for it, but I was an active Catholic at the time and the guilt and fear did me in. Powerful control mechanisms.
The really disgusting part is that the priest who got it for me turned out to be gay and having an affair with another man. How could he tell me getting an annulment was extremely important when he was doing something totally against what he preached? At least this affair was with an adult male and not an underaged kid. He's listed on, I forget what they call it, and it says he never came forward. He has since passed on. I really hope God forgave him. I'm not against gays at all, everybody knows that, but priests such as he really come down hard on them. This guy was one hell of a hypocrite.
Hi Sharlayne, It cost me $750.00 for a divorce but it was to a lawyer. Worth every penny.
But I was not allowed to remarry in a church of my choosing
preston

Waverly, OH

#416314 Jan 17, 2013
MICHAEL wrote:
<quoted text>
HOJO says......I NEVER SAID that I approve of ANY sin--- IN or OUT of the Church...... You have become an "expert" at "making things up and distorting the truth" which is typical of most bible only Protestants.
Michael says.....Its time you learned about the SINFUL UNDERGROUND Network of your own church leaders.
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/...
Catholic bishops battle over "lavender Mafia"
http://culturecampaign.blogspot.ca/2010/11/us...
Read what this priest from Columbia says about the Lavender Mafia.
http://www.examiner.com/article/taking-on-the...
Isn't it time you stopped allowing yourself to be made a fool?
GOOGLE.....priests bishops lavender mafia......
I guess the next foolish thing that you will try and lay on us is that there is an Amish Mafia.

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#416315 Jan 17, 2013
Free MInd wrote:
<quoted text>
Robert writes that -- "I present what appears to be a moral dilemma."
Not "appears to be" Robert good friend, it is a moral dilemma -- because what the RCC is doing with its power of diplomatic immunity is IMMORAL, plain and simple.
I have faith in a higher power, but nothing that forces me to make feeble excuses for such IMMORALITY.
I don't claim to have a source for the all the answers, as you claim. Making absurd claims of "perfection" paints your faith into a corner. So you are forced to defend the indefensible.
So of course you say I have a war in my mind that makes me weak.
If standing up for justice for sexually abused orphans -- against one of the richest and most powerful organizations on earth -- makes my mind weak, then you are confused Robert good friend.
Free Mind

You are confused. When seeking justice, one must be prudent and temperate.

By your logic. Everyone involved in a religion must pay for the crimes of a few. In a sense this is true. But then also, because there are crimes in the U.S., we must all be imprisoned and pay fines for every criminal. And the U.S. government must be responsible for its citizens, therefore the U.S. government must be dismantled.

What I am saying is that your justice is not prudent and temperate. It is driven by rage.

In the nature of government, it is rather inherent for its existence to protect the people it governs. The same is true for religion. Within each system, both are to work within moral laws for justice,and do so with prudence and temperance with courage.
Free MInd

Melbourne, FL

#416316 Jan 17, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Free,
Words can't describe how big of an idiot you are.
I'm enjoying skipping over you and mikes post. You guys have lost all credibility man.
Of course, I happened to read your last post, so forgive me.
but trust me free of brain cells, I heard the first 2,500 times that you mentioned Mary and Fatima. You really don't need to repeat it every day....as if you're saying something fresh!
We heard it. We get it.
I explained how Catholics view Marys role. You decided to tell us what we believe her role is. Fine, who cares? You're nothing but a bigot. You and Mike will fade away one day and the Church will still be standing. There was Free Minds in every decade since Christ, like you, they failed to bring down the Church.
So cheer up, although you lost, we will forgive the daily slander from you. ;-)
Clay, you play the victim so well.

But posting exact RCC words is not slander. The ONLY ONE who is slandered is Mary -- by you.

1... You "explain how Catholics view Mary's role."

2... I post Mary's EXACT Words as reported by the RCC in 1941.

Why do FACTS bother you. Why is my posting Mary's exact words so horrible?

You are bothered because all reason tells you the RCC made up those absurd "3 Secrets." You hide through your victim-hood.

Forget what Clay "explains." Here again are Mary's exact Words, or a BIG ROMAN CATHOLIC LIE.

"You have seen hell where the souls of poor sinners go. To save them, God wishes to establish in the world devotion to my Immaculate Heart. If what I say to you is done, many souls will be saved and there will be peace. The war is going to end: but if people do not cease offending God, a worse one will break out during the Pontificate of Pope Pius XI. "

Yes... BUSTED
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#416317 Jan 17, 2013
Free MInd wrote:
<quoted text>
Shocker :o) Fundamentalist Religion is a means of sexual self-denial.
From your link (thank you);
"Like the gay underground in the British Foreign Office of the past where for scores of years the road to advancement was open only to homosexuals, the Lavender Mafia has been the gatekeeper determining who will be admitted to seminaries and ultimately to the Roman Catholic priesthood. In Goodbye! Good Men: How Catholic Seminaries Turned Away Two Generations of Vocations From the Priesthood," author Michael S. Rose quotes a former Mundelein seminarian, Joseph Kellenyi, as saying: "The issue was never one of my suitability for ordination. Rather it was that the gay clique had been given veto power over who got ordained."
You saw it, I saw it, 99% of movie and comedy club audiences saw it.
But no Catholic here did?
Ahhhh, the "perfect only-true" church thing. I get it.
I do feel sorry for catholics. They know their faith and practice their belief, but have no idea whats going on in the "ENGINE ROOM" of mother church that many catholic seminaries across america often only accepted gay men to the seminary, and cliques were formed to keep straight men out.

The story I posted, includes dialogue from 6 roman catholic priests who tell their stories.

The most important entity in the church is TRUST. Lance Armstrong lost his trust to america, but is not even close to being compared to the mistrust of whats been going on behind the scenes in catholic seminaries across the nation and around the world.

Until catholics stand up and demand answers, mistrust will only grow more prevalent. Very sad indeed.
preston

Waverly, OH

#416318 Jan 17, 2013
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes it does say that my mistake.
Do you believe the the story of Lazarus and the rich man was a true or just a story.
Jesus told to show how things are going to be.
Because it is clear that Lazarus was in Heaven and the rich man was in hell.
I beleive that what Jesus said was completly true. when He used the name of Lazarus, He made the story more convincing. imo.

many people will use Scripture verses to prove or try to prove the body and soul/spirit just sleeps unti the last resurrection, but I dont believe that at all.I have seen people that have cried out by a glimpse of Hell and the flames, while they were on their death bed. and vice versa of people that have experienced Heaven or a place where they felt great peace.

I think that 1 thing is clear. a person should live like there is a hell, and prepare themselves to avoid that place, by accepting Jesus as their Savior
Robert Dye

Tulsa, OK

#416319 Jan 17, 2013
Free MInd wrote:
<quoted text>
1... The site in question talks about BOTH annulment and divorce and explains the difference.
2... The site makes money on the annulment process.
There is no way in Hell that the RCC "carefully investigates" 60,000 annulments per year in the USA.
It's all semantics, because if the RCC didn't play the easy annulment game, it would lose even more members.
In the real world, most people know Catholics who have paid for a "$250 annulment." For some reason, the ANNULMENTS of which I am aware cost much, much more.
You play the RCC semantics game. Others live in the real world. There is an obvious disconnect.
Kind of like the RCC uses diplomatic immunity for morally defensable reasons. LMAO.
.
The site you talk about (the one which mentions divorce and annulment both) is a mix of fact and error, and if it's sponsored by anyone officially connected with the Church, I'll eat my shoe.
.
The first link looks like a fellow who is offering to do the grunt work that would normally be done by a priest or deaco. Since the number of priest-less parishes is growing, we will probably have to have more laity helping in case prep in the future. How they would be paid for their work is anyone's guess. Could be via the tribunal, or they could be told to charge for their work, with a set fee from the bishop's office.
.
I *wish* I had someone to do this stuff ... I *hate* doing it. The endless questions, and gathering of documents, and the evasiveness of people when you try to do the interview. Ugh.
.
For the Catholics on the board, there is an excellent discussion of annulments and about the critics of the "high numbers" at this site:

http://www.canonlaw.info/a_annulments.htm

It does a pretty good job of explaining some of the criticisms, such as how DOF cases amount to nearly a third of cases, and should be granted at a rate of 100%, providing the Advocate has done his job properly, and why Ligamen cases should ALSO be granted at a rate of 100%.

I found it very interesting reading.(For one, I would like to know why defect-of-form cases were not being granted in high numbers a LOOOOONG time ago.)

Rob

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#416320 Jan 17, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Correct - why fear anything?
I'll tell ya what.....when I die, I will stand tall for my life's work, and give the proper respect to whom I encounter as I do with all strangers I come in contact - even you.
I will speak as well as I can in respect of the moment and place.
All the while, I'll watch you, kneel before Jesus and me standing there in front of you. I'll nudge him, "Hey I know that guy, he's okay!" Then I'll nudge you and say, "Hey dude, get up and stand, there is no need for that here."
And then I'll give Jesus some high fives, and take him over to John and Jimi's cloud and we'll check out how they have been doing.
;o)
You are more than welcome to tag along if you so choose.
NASL

No thanks. I tore up my ticket on the Titanic. I didn't know John and Jimi were playing there. Listening....I thought you were dancing. My mistake.
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#416321 Jan 17, 2013
preston wrote:
<quoted text>I guess the next foolish thing that you will try and lay on us is that there is an Amish Mafia.
You have seen the show! At least the Amish Mafia are not about gay men controlling the amish community.

Living in Ohio your just down the road. Have you got a black buggy and a couple horses? GIDDYUPP!

So you Preston are saying, the 6 roman catholic priests who wrote part of the article are liars?

__________

Read below what the bishops conference stated, and catholic theologens in 2010 about the lavender priest mafia in america.

http://culturecampaign.blogspot.ca/2010/11/us...

Normand Guay

Winnipeg, Canada

#416322 Jan 17, 2013
Normand Guay wrote:
<quoted text>--- Clay, is that the reason that the romans killed the Saints so that the church could grow...---To kill the Saints is very sad...
---Repeat, Quote,From The Book; [ The Blood of the Martyrs ["Saints"] is the seed of the church by the Roman Catholic Fathers [Tertullian}...
preston

Waverly, OH

#416323 Jan 17, 2013
MICHAEL wrote:
<quoted text>
You have seen the show! At least the Amish Mafia are not about gay men controlling the amish community.
Living in Ohio your just down the road. Have you got a black buggy and a couple horses? GIDDYUPP!
So you Preston are saying, the 6 roman catholic priests who wrote part of the article are liars?
__________
Read below what the bishops conference stated, and catholic theologens in 2010 about the lavender priest mafia in america.
http://culturecampaign.blogspot.ca/2010/11/us...
down the road? I live around 150 miles from Holmes Co. and yes, there really is a man named Merlin(dont know about levi in Pa)according to a mennonite that I asked last week. he told me that his relative said that merlin was Crazy. he acts like he is on TV.

yes, I do have a buggy (fringe top surrey)but it is in a local museum, and around 9 horses now but none pull a buggy.

Now as far the article, I seldom read any links that you might post. so I dont know if it is true or not. nor do I care since I am not catholic, so why should you care either?
LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#416324 Jan 17, 2013
preston wrote:
<quoted text>I beleive that what Jesus said was completly true. when He used the name of Lazarus, He made the story more convincing. imo.
many people will use Scripture verses to prove or try to prove the body and soul/spirit just sleeps unti the last resurrection, but I dont believe that at all.I have seen people that have cried out by a glimpse of Hell and the flames, while they were on their death bed. and vice versa of people that have experienced Heaven or a place where they felt great peace.
I think that 1 thing is clear. a person should live like there is a hell, and prepare themselves to avoid that place, by accepting Jesus as their Savior
I believe the referrance to lazarus and the rich man is true also,
Preston I have had people try and convince me it was a fictional story.
I don't believe in soul sleep either.

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#416325 Jan 17, 2013
U.S. Bishops Call For ‘Nine Days Of Prayer, Penance And Pilgrimage’ Surrounding 40th Anniversary Of Roe V. Wade

http://www.usccb.org/news/2013/13-017.cfm
preston

Waverly, OH

#416326 Jan 17, 2013
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
I believe the referrance to lazarus and the rich man is true also,
Preston I have had people try and convince me it was a fictional story.
I don't believe in soul sleep either.
Soul sleep is the teaching that when a person dies, his soul "sleeps" until the time of the future resurrection. In this condition, the person is not aware or conscious. The Jehovah's Witnesses and the Seventh-day Adventists hold to this doctrine. But the Jehovah's Witnesses teach annihilation. This means that after death a person ceases to exist. At the future resurrection they maintain that the soul is made again. Basically, it is a re-creation of the individual. The Seventh-day Adventists teach at the soul is simply inert and resides in the memory of God.

The primary verses used to support soul sleep are found in Ecclesiastes:

•Eccl. 9:5, For the living know they will die; but the dead do not know anything, nor have they any longer a reward, for their memory is forgotten."
•Eccl. 12:7, "then the dust will return to the earth as it was, and the spirit will return to God who gave it."
Ecclesiastes must be understood in the context of its own commentary, which says at the opening of the book, "The words of the Preacher, the son of David, king in Jerusalem. 2 “Vanity of vanities,” says the Preacher,“Vanity of vanities! All is vanity.” 3 What advantage does man have in all his work which he does under the sun?" (Eccl. 1:1-3). The writer is telling us how things are from the human perspective, from "under the sun." He is not telling us doctrinal statements about whether or not the soul continues after death. Besides, it's a mistake to use the Old Testament to interpret the New Testament. It is the New Testament that sheds light on the Old Testament.

http://carm.org/soul-sleep

so when you see this doctrine being pushed on this forum, then you can tell who has influenced their doctrine.
the sda or the jw's, both are cults taught by satan, guest and aviela both good examples of that.
LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#416327 Jan 17, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
You also might be interested in the fact that the third Jewish Temple- as described in Ezekiel chapter 40 and 42 - will have graven images throughout.
What do you think of that LTM? Are the Jews Pagan too for obeying what God commanded?
I'm not trying to be a smart alic. We deserve an honest explanation.

The Third Temple will not be built, till after the Grace period of the Gentile is fulfilled.
I do know that much, to make any comments on this subject one must understand Truly understand about the first and second temple.
Eziekel and Daniel both prophecy on this subject I believe.
A lot of the conflict in the middle east is because of this Temple Mount.
If you are referring to the Red Hiefer as an idol I assure you it isn't it is a living animal ready to be sacraficed when the Third Temple is built.
Prophecy also talks about a Holocost for the Jews
in the future Clay.
As I said you need an expert to understand all this and I am not an expert.
I have some things mixed up. But if the Red Heifer is of a pure line so much the Jewish nation that service in the Temple.

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#416328 Jan 17, 2013
Robert F wrote:
U.S. Bishops Call For ‘Nine Days Of Prayer, Penance And Pilgrimage’ Surrounding 40th Anniversary Of Roe V. Wade
http://www.usccb.org/news/2013/13-017.cfm
How many days of prayer for the abused children?

How many days of prayer for hiding the abusers?

How many days of prayer for outing all those involved?
LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#416329 Jan 17, 2013
preston wrote:
<quoted text>
Soul sleep is the teaching that when a person dies, his soul "sleeps" until the time of the future resurrection. In this condition, the person is not aware or conscious. The Jehovah's Witnesses and the Seventh-day Adventists hold to this doctrine. But the Jehovah's Witnesses teach annihilation. This means that after death a person ceases to exist. At the future resurrection they maintain that the soul is made again. Basically, it is a re-creation of the individual. The Seventh-day Adventists teach at the soul is simply inert and resides in the memory of God.
The primary verses used to support soul sleep are found in Ecclesiastes:
•Eccl. 9:5, For the living know they will die; but the dead do not know anything, nor have they any longer a reward, for their memory is forgotten."
•Eccl. 12:7, "then the dust will return to the earth as it was, and the spirit will return to God who gave it."
Ecclesiastes must be understood in the context of its own commentary, which says at the opening of the book, "The words of the Preacher, the son of David, king in Jerusalem. 2 “Vanity of vanities,” says the Preacher,“Vanity of vanities! All is vanity.” 3 What advantage does man have in all his work which he does under the sun?" (Eccl. 1:1-3). The writer is telling us how things are from the human perspective, from "under the sun." He is not telling us doctrinal statements about whether or not the soul continues after death. Besides, it's a mistake to use the Old Testament to interpret the New Testament. It is the New Testament that sheds light on the Old Testament.
http://carm.org/soul-sleep
so when you see this doctrine being pushed on this forum, then you can tell who has influenced their doctrine.
the sda or the jw's, both are cults taught by satan, guest and aviela both good examples of that.
Isn't re-creation an East India belief.
Paul said absent from the body is present with the Lord.
those who are not present with the Lord go to hell.
What is the differnce between hell and hells fire.
As there is no time in Heaven once we pass on all the above has already happened.
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#416330 Jan 17, 2013
preston wrote:
<quoted text>down the road? I live around 150 miles from Holmes Co. and yes, there really is a man named Merlin(dont know about levi in Pa)according to a mennonite that I asked last week. he told me that his relative said that merlin was Crazy. he acts like he is on TV.
yes, I do have a buggy (fringe top surrey)but it is in a local museum, and around 9 horses now but none pull a buggy.
Now as far the article, I seldom read any links that you might post. so I dont know if it is true or not. nor do I care since I am not catholic, so why should you care either?
Preston says......so why should you care either?

Michael says.......Why should people care about Lance Armstrongs story, yet millions of americans do.

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