Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ. Full Story
Pat

Granby, CT

#415629 Jan 14, 2013
Dan wrote:
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Holy crap
You're worse than a non-smoker-only they rival agnostics and atheists for their pathological need for affirmation.
Learn to be an honest man Dan only then will you know what it feels like to have some self respect.
LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#415630 Jan 14, 2013
Conclusion

So the Catholic Church describes itself in its documents as engaged in the act of worshipping the Eucharist, which is also called adoration or veneration. Isn't it amazing how the Catholic Church justifies bowing down before images of the sun, as depicted by the monstrance and a round wafer, by claiming the bread has actually become God! God's commandment is cleverly made of no effect by the Traditions of men, by mixing error and truth.

This church is not only a cult it is a pagan ancient religion, it is not a christian church not one part of it.
ReginaM

Jackson, NJ

#415631 Jan 14, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
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LTM, the author of the website where you're stealing this information asks that you get permission before pasting their stuff;
".. but I specifically request that complete articles of mine not be duplicated or posted online verbatim (such as on another web page) without first obtaining my explicit permission.
That sounds fair doesn't it?... Michael Scheifler."
http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/
Should you not be worrying that you might get sued for theft?
That's okay, she doesn't understand it anyway. She's biblically illiterate.

Bible Lite! That's about right.

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#415632 Jan 14, 2013
marge wrote:
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Sorry buddy your venerations of creation that pleases your eye Is worshipping creation and does not glorify God.
'pleases the eye' come on you know that's wrong.
No hate here but truth in love.
marge

Here is the center of the problem and that is prudence with temperance.

Temperance is not absolute ascetism. It is self-control in a situation.

God created and made all things good, including man, which includes man's artistry(as a part of God's Image, being the Master Artist).

The Master Artist makes His Creation Beautiful, because it is good.

Humanity makes art beautiful, when it is good.

It is good to make beautiful art.

Art that helps one worship God is good and beautiful.

(You are holding to the idea that art is evil and ugly. And this is why you reject statues and pictures that help one worship God. This is not prudent. And it is not temperate.)
Clay

Chicago, IL

#415633 Jan 14, 2013
LTM wrote:
Conclusion
So the Catholic Church describes itself in its documents as engaged in the act of worshipping the Eucharist, which is also called adoration or veneration. Isn't it amazing how the Catholic Church justifies bowing down before images of the sun, as depicted by the monstrance and a round wafer, by claiming the bread has actually become God! God's commandment is cleverly made of no effect by the Traditions of men, by mixing error and truth.
This church is not only a cult it is a pagan ancient religion, it is not a christian church not one part of it.
What if Jesus Christ is fully present in the Eucharist like the Apostles taught? Then would you still say its idolatry?
hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#415634 Jan 14, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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"hojo" doesn't understand.
Just let him keep believing in the lie. Maybe one day, he'll see it for himself.
Sorry to disappoint you New Age!!! But I saw--and lived in--- the (Protestant) bible only "lie" for over 35 years, before coming to the TRUTH and the FULLNESS of the Faith and the TRUTH in Jesus Christs Historically and Biblically PROVEN One True Catholic Church...... Bible only Protestantism (and all 42,000 conflicting beliefs), are a blatant (prodigal son) rebellious and defiant, "rejection" of the TRUTH of the TRUE INTERPRETATION of the Bible and a "distorting" of TRUE Church History. Plain and simple, it is "half-truth, half-heresy" Christianity, based "primarily" on attacking, judging and condemning the TRUTH of the Catholic Church and the faith and salvation of "any and all" Christians that disagree with them, especially Catholics.....Bible Only followers on this forum have (proven over and over and over again) that it CANNOT STAND ON ITS OWN BELIEFS---"without" attacking the TRUE FAITH, the TRUE CHURCH and especially Jesus Christ Himself---who initiated and established His (one and only) One True Apostolic Catholic Church, the bride of Christ!!!
Clay

Chicago, IL

#415635 Jan 14, 2013
LTM wrote:
The size and shape of manna
Exodus 16:14 tells us manna was small, small like the frost on the ground. We are also told in Exodus and Numbers that manna was
Snipped for idiocy.

LTM, do you ever post anything that is NOT copied slander and propaganda?

Btw, I bow down and worship the Eucharist. Because Jesus held it up and said "this is my body".
LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#415636 Jan 14, 2013
Pat wrote:
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You thiests are the dregs of society. Dishonest low IQ fools. Evidence proves that a turning away from god is the best thing for a society.
"If this often-touted religious theory were correct-that a turning away from God is at the root of all societal ills-then we would expect to find the least religious nations on earth to be bastions of crime, poverty, and disease and the most religious nations to be models of societal health. A comparison of highly irreligious countries with highly religious countries, however, reveals a very different state of affairs. In reality, the most secular countries-those with the highest proportion of atheists and agnostics-are among the most stable, peaceful, free, wealthy, and healthy societies. And the most religious nations-wherein worship of God is in abundance-are among the most unstable, violent, oppressive, poor, and destitute."
http://www.secularhumanism.org/index.php...
Well you don't want someone to talk to you about God.
I want who the mind-less wonder is who willing come on a thread where they are talking about God . Then cry's foul
Go take a long walk off a short pier. Stupid is as stupid does.

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#415637 Jan 14, 2013
LTM wrote:
Here are additional pictures of monstrances online-
Museum of Monte Cassino, Italy.
The Eucharistic Miracle of Lanciano.
The last item is quite extraordinary. In the 8th century, it is alleged that the host and wine turned into actual living flesh and blood during a Mass, which it is said, remain well preserved in a monstrance in Italy to this day.
On the right is a photo of a stele from Ur of the Chaldees, with the symbol of the Babylonian sun god Shamash within the crescent of the moon goddess Nanna.
Stele of Ur-Nammu, detail
At right is a close-up of a monstrance, and inside the glass enclosure is a crescent, upon which the round wafer god host is placed, a virtual duplication of the symbology of the Canaanite and Chaldean stele shown above. Many monstrances use this crescent, which is officially called a "lunette" or "luna" (moon), to hold the round wafer host. The sun disk in the crescent moon is a quite common symbol for pagan religions, to include Babylon, Syria, and India.
From the video "666 and the Mark" by James Arrabito,
Copyright © LLT Productions - Used by Permission
Worshipping the Eucharist as God
Images from the video "666 and the Mark" by James Arrabito,
Copyright © LLT Productions - Used by Permission
Above on the left you see the pagan sunburst wafer god, inscribed with IHS and the cross, is portrayed above the cup of wine. This is the door to a place where the wine and wafers are stored. Above on the right, you see a similar carving depicting angels kneeling in idolatrous adoration or worship of the wafer god and wine.
In case you think the word "worship" is an exaggeration on my part, please note this paragraph from the new Vatican Catechism of the Catholic Church:(Italics present in the original text)
1378 Worship of the Eucharist. In the liturgy of the Mass we express our faith in the real presence of Christ under the species of bread and wine by, among other ways, genuflecting or bowing deeply as a sign of adoration of the Lord. "The Catholic church has always offered and still offers to the sacrament of the Eucharist the cult of adoration, not only during Mass, but also outside of it, reserving the consecrated host with the utmost care, exposing them to the solemn veneration of the faithful, and carrying them in procession."
Source: Catechism of the Catholic Church, published by Ligouri Publications, English translation © 1994 by the United States Catholic Conference, Inc.--Libreria Editrice Vaticana, bearing the Imprimi Potest of Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, page 347.
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LTM

Rev 12:1

"And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:"

So you are saying "...from Ur of the Chaldees, with the symbol of the Babylonian sun god Shamash within the crescent of the moon goddess Nanna." is from where Christianity has its origin.

I would say you stand on the line of absolute rejection of the Bible. You have so polluted yourself with hatred of Catholicism that you will condemn even the Bible in order to make yourself known....

The people you are quoting. Do you know their intent? These are fanatics. This verse in Rev. condemns them already. Please do not add to them your soul.

Please bear in mind, you are polluting yourself. I am not doing this to you. It is your choice to pursue the direction of your journey. The more you condemn, the more you will be condemned....The more you judge, the more you will be judged....
Pat

Granby, CT

#415638 Jan 14, 2013
LTM wrote:
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Well you don't want someone to talk to you about God.
I want who the mind-less wonder is who willing come on a thread where they are talking about God . Then cry's foul
Go take a long walk off a short pier. Stupid is as stupid does.
You don't like being proved a liar and idiot do you? Boo hoo
Pat

Granby, CT

#415639 Jan 14, 2013
Clay wrote:
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What if Jesus Christ is fully present in the Eucharist like the Apostles taught? Then would you still say its idolatry?
Then I would say you are a bonafide cannibal. But your not, your a lets pretend cannibal.
LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#415640 Jan 14, 2013
Clay wrote:
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What if Jesus Christ is fully present in the Eucharist like the Apostles taught? Then would you still say its idolatry?
The Apostles never taught that, one of your Popes did Clay that is the thing. Keep reading you will come to it.
And notice it is taken from the catholic encyclopetia, not Protestant.
The catholic pagan religion has changed the incorruptable things of God in to corruptable things. Use common sense Clay how can Jesus be in a wafer, your not that dunce are you.
ReginaM

Jackson, NJ

#415641 Jan 14, 2013
LTM wrote:
And note this decree concerning the Most Holy Sacrament of the Eucharist from the thirteenth session of the Council of Trent, October 11th, 1551:
Chapter V
THE WORSHIP AND VENERATION TO BE SHOWN TO
THIS MOST HOLY SACRAMENT
There is, therefore, no room for doubt that all the faithful of Christ may, in accordance with a custom always received in the Catholic Church, give to this most holy sacrament in veneration the worship of latria, which is due to the true God.
Source: The Canons and Decrees of the Council of Trent, Translated and introduced by Rev. H. J. Schroeder, O.P., Published by Tan Books and Publishers, INC., Rockford Illinois, 61105,© 1978, ISBN: 0-89555-074-1, page 76.
Here is the Thirteenth Session of Trent online. See Chapter V.
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Dominicae Cenae - On the Mystery and Worship of the Eucharist, promulgated by John Paul II On February 24, 1980 To All the Bishops of the Church.
I love Eucharistic Adoration! Will try to make it this week as there is a 24-Hour Adoration Chapel in a nearby parish. Oh, and when the Blessed Sacrament is exposed as it is for adoration, we don't simply genuflect or bow, we get down on both knees before taking our seat in the pew. Also, Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament is never to be left alone. Whenever the Blessed Sacrament is exposed, there is always someone present. Parishioners sign up for an hour at a time in parishes that have 24-hour adoration. Yes, that's right, there's someone with Jesus at every hour of the day and night. "Could you not watch one hour with me?"
ReginaM

Jackson, NJ

#415642 Jan 14, 2013
LTM wrote:
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The Apostles never taught that, one of your Popes did Clay that is the thing. Keep reading you will come to it.
And notice it is taken from the catholic encyclopetia, not Protestant.
The catholic pagan religion has changed the incorruptable things of God in to corruptable things. Use common sense Clay how can Jesus be in a wafer, your not that dunce are you.
The ( reserved ) Blessed Sacrament serves as a focal point of devotion.

Because, as Catholics, we believe that Christ is truly and substantially present in the Eucharist, the Blessed Sacrament is given the same adoration and devotion that is accorded to Christ.

At the beginning of the exposition of the Blessed Sacrament, a priest or deacon removes the sacred host from the tabernacle and places it in the Monstrance on the Altar for adoration by the faithful. "Monstrance" is the vessel used in the Church to display the consecrated Eucharistic Host, during Eucharistic adoration or benediction. The word monstrance comes from the Latin word monstrare, meaning "to expose". It is known in Latin as an Ostensorium. When a consecrated host is placed in the monstrance, It is said to be a solemn exposition.

When the Monstrance contains the Sacred Host, the priest does not touch it with his bare hands, but instead, holds it with a humeral veil, a wide band of cloth that covers his shoulders (humera) and has pleats on the inside in which he places his hands.

At all other times, the reserved Sacrament is kept locked in the Tabernacle, so that the faithful may pray in the presence of the Sacrament.

"Perpetual Adoration" is Eucharistic Adoration round the clock (that is, twenty-four hours a day). A "Holy Hour" is "Eucharistic Adoration of Reparation" which lasts for about an hour.

Adoration ceremonies traditionally include Scripture readings, hymns, prayers and time for silent adoration.
http://www.catholic-church.org/kuwait/euchari...
Clay

Chicago, IL

#415643 Jan 14, 2013
LTM wrote:
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The Apostles never taught that, one of your Popes did Clay that is the thing. Keep reading you will come to it.
And notice it is taken from the catholic encyclopetia, not Protestant.
The catholic pagan religion has changed the incorruptable things of God in to corruptable things. Use common sense Clay how can Jesus be in a wafer, your not that dunce are you.
You say the Apostles never taught that. Their students - who also wrote - say different.

Who should I believe? LTM? Or someone who sat at the dinner table with the Apostles and heard the Gospel directly?

Its a tough choice LTM, but I think I'm going to have to go with them.
Not to mention, I've partook in the Eucharist, so I know its legit.
ReginaM

Jackson, NJ

#415644 Jan 14, 2013
LTM wrote:
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The Apostles never taught that, one of your Popes did Clay that is the thing. Keep reading you will come to it.
And notice it is taken from the catholic encyclopetia, not Protestant.
The catholic pagan religion has changed the incorruptable things of God in to corruptable things. Use common sense Clay how can Jesus be in a wafer, your not that dunce are you.
Jesus waits for us in this Sacrament of Love
“In the sacred Host, He is present, the true treasure, always waiting for us.
Only by adoring this Presence do we learn how to receive Him properly.”

What is Eucharistic Adoration?

Understood simply, Eucharistic Adoration is adoring or honouring the Eucharistic Presence of Christ. In a deeper sense, it involves "the contemplation of the Mystery of Christ truly present before us".

During Eucharistic Adoration, we "watch and wait", we remain "silent" in His Presence and open ourselves to His Graces which flow from the Eucharist ... By worshiping the Eucharistic Jesus, we become what God wants us to be! Like a magnet, The Lord draws us to Himself and gently transforms us.

In its fullest essence ... Eucharistic Adoration is "God and Man reaching out for each other, at the same time!"

The Eucharist is: Jesus truly present - Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity!

At the moment of Consecration, during the Mass, the "gifts" of bread and wine are transformed into the actual Body and Blood of Christ, at the Altar. This means that they are not only spiritually transformed, but rather are actually (substantially) transformed into the Body and Blood of Christ. The elements retain the appearance of bread and wine, but are indeed the actual Body and Blood of Christ. This is what is meant by Real Presence: the actual, physical presence of Jesus in the Eucharist.

Christ instituted this Holy Sacrament of the Eucharist in order to remain with mankind until the end of time (Jn. 14:18).
http://www.catholic-church.org/kuwait/euchari...
ReginaM

Jackson, NJ

#415645 Jan 14, 2013
LTM wrote:
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The Apostles never taught that, one of your Popes did Clay that is the thing. Keep reading you will come to it.
And notice it is taken from the catholic encyclopetia, not Protestant.
The catholic pagan religion has changed the incorruptable things of God in to corruptable things. Use common sense Clay how can Jesus be in a wafer, your not that dunce are you.
Um, actually they did teach it:

1 Corinthians 11:27 Therefore whosoever shall eat this bread, or drink the chalice of the Lord unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and of the blood of the Lord.
Clay

Chicago, IL

#415646 Jan 14, 2013
Pat wrote:
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All you do is prove you have a malfunctioning brain.
"I think it easier to believe...."
Exactly, you are mentally very lazy and opt for what is easier to believe over what is rational to believe. Magic magic magic! That's your world simple man's world view. Evolution has left you theists behind.
Believe it or not... I love reading comments from Atheist. You guys are amusing. We can always count on a insult... its comical. It reminds me of the South Park episode with your Pope, Richard Dawkins. In the story, Mr Dawkins was a nice guy til he fell in love with Mrs. Garrison - who used to be a guy. Richard then learned from her, how to be a prick. Hilarious.

of course, you enjoy the anonymity of the internet and wouldn't say it to anyone's face. Not mine anyway..lol
Anthony MN

Andover, MN

#415647 Jan 14, 2013
ReginaM wrote:
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That's okay, she doesn't understand it anyway. She's biblically illiterate.
Bible Lite! That's about right.
And not just biblically.

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#415648 Jan 14, 2013
Chuck wrote:
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Preston...let me pick your brain
Last night in bible study we were talking about the two witnesses in Revelation 11. I heard Moses, Elijah, John the Baptist, Enoch, Abraham....
who do you think they are?
To be honest I'm not even sure
I dont believe it will be any of the above for the reason that they have already died, or in the case of Enoch, translated.

as it is written, it is appointed unto man once to die.

I use the words of jesus, when he spoke of John the Baptist, and all fo the jew were waiting for elijah to come back to usher in the Kingdom of the Messiah and he told them that John was Elijah, not litteraly but Figurtively.

now to my opinion, I dont know who it will be,to be honest.

I think it will be Two Christians, that God has chosen a long time ago, for this special work, that are left here on Heaven aften the Rapture, and I do beleive that Heaven knows who they will be.

I think one time, that I might have been told, and a name that was given to me was of a person named john, or jonah, but it could have been given me for another reason, I just dont know. I am sorry.

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