Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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#415598 Jan 14, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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Don't over-worry yourself about it, you aren't.
There are many so-called "Christians" on this forum, who like to make up things about others, "God", and who knows who else.
Shoot - they can't even be honest enough to admit that they only follow a portion of Jesus' teachings.
BTW - you won't receive any viable answer to your question, so just move on past it.
I've yet to still receive an answer on why I am "the spawn of the devil".
Ya see - illogical at best, but not to the one who is misguided by the lies of Christianity.
Cheers!
NASL

lol Somebody called you "the spawn of the devil"?

Is that as bad as being "unenlightened"? lol
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#415599 Jan 14, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
Um, yeah, I believe in the Holy Trinity.
Is this now controversial?
...There are very few actual customs/traditions and elements of christianity that weren't part of former beliefs. Most christians are not aware of this.

...The core belief of christinianity the worship of a walking talking God/man who brings or offers eternal salvation to those that believe in him, was also the core belief, of other ancient religions that started more than 1,000 years before Jesus arrived.

...Trinity, prophecy, demon possession, concepts of heaven and hell, baptism, communion with God through a Holy meal, animal and human sacrifice, the promise of eternal salvation, man/god dying and returning..........all elements and part of the ancient mediteranean culture, taught centuries before the Jesus story.

... As a young catholic growing up I was taught and believed all of what christianity taught was UNIQUE. Its obvious we were wrong!
Free MInd

Melbourne, FL

#415600 Jan 14, 2013
Robert F wrote:
<quoted text>
Free Mind
Paul extended his time on earth by declaring diplomatic immunity from the Jews in Jerusalem, by being a Roman citizen.
Therefore, diplomatic immunity can be used....
Your statement is a strawman of course. The RCC does not claim diplomatic immunity for the priests. Rather it seeks to protect its priests as it does for everyone living in these times of rampant crime in the world, oppressive nationalistic fervor, and unreasoned ignorance.
Robert good buddy...

Read your own words. You ran away.

1.. In no way was Paul under any type of diplomatic immunity. That's just plain silly. It's called civil law.

2... It is absurd to say the RCC somehow seeks to protect its priests. From what? From testifying under oath in a Court of Law.

3... "Everyone living in these times" are not charged with child sex-abuse, including abuse at orphanages on at least three continents, and international money laundering.

These are the exact purposes for which the RCC uses Diplomatic Immunity. Do you really equate Paul's situation with this?

You had nowhere to go, so you went off the deep end. Strawman?

Ireland...

http://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/diplomat...

More...

http://www.examiner.com/article/catholic-chur...

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/religionandethics/epi...

http://www.rationalresponders.com/forum/27593

-- all to avoid accountability and justice.

QUESTION: How can you equate any of Paul's actions with this?
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#415601 Jan 14, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
Pat's hung on past his time. He could use a break.
He's just pasting quotes from famous agnostics and calling everyone "lair" (his spelling, not mine).
You have to roll with it.

How many months, day after day did Preston/Attemcowboy call gif and kaymarie...... Mr. Fraud and Liars!(lairs)

Most catholic posters on this forum at one time or other have also called posters liars, or insulted them with name calling.

Everyone has an opinion. If we didn't this tent would have folded long ago.



Free MInd

Melbourne, FL

#415602 Jan 14, 2013
I love how Catholics defend the RCC on diplomatic immunity.

"In December 2002, Cardinal Law was forced to resign in disgrace as Archbishop of Boston because of his role in covering up clerical sex abuse. When it became clear that he might have to answer for this in the American courts, the Vatican shipped him to Rome, where he could hide behind its immunity as a sovereign state."

http://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/diplomat...

The RCC has also used diplomatic immunity to avoid testifying in court cases involving:

1.... orphanages

2.... schools for the deaf

3.... bank money laundering for the mafia

Isn't it great that Jesus gave the RCC diplomatic immunity!

Catholics can be very proud and proclaim -- ONLY TRUE CHURCH OF JESUS!
LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#415603 Jan 14, 2013
Robert F wrote:
<quoted text>
NASL
lol Somebody called you "the spawn of the devil"?
Is that as bad as being "unenlightened"? lol
Exo 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
Exo 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them:...

Acts 19:26 Moreover ye see and hear, that not alone at Ephesus, but almost throughout all Asia, this Paul hath persuaded and turned away much people, saying that they be no gods, which are made with hands:

Note that the commandment of God forbids making and bowing down to images. Among pagans, perhaps the most common form of idolatry is sun worship, and the above prohibition would clearly exclude bowing down before images of the sun or moon (things in the heaven above). But then God gets even more explicit:

Deu 17:2 If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant,
Deu 17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded;
Deu 17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and inquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel:
Deu 17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.

Jer 8:1 At that time, saith the LORD, they shall bring out the bones of the kings of Judah, and the bones of his princes, and the bones of the priests, and the bones of the prophets, and the bones of the inhabitants of Jerusalem, out of their graves:
Jer 8:2 And they shall spread them before the sun, and the moon, and all the host of heaven, whom they have loved, and whom they have served, and after whom they have walked, and whom they have sought, and whom they have worshipped: they shall not be gathered, nor be buried; they shall be for dung upon the face of the earth.
Jer 8:3 And death shall be chosen rather than life by all the residue of them that remain of this evil family, which remain in all the places whither I have driven them, saith the LORD of hosts.

With that in mind, lets look at solar and lunar images directly associated with the Catholic Mass.

Pope John Paul II eold what is called a Monstrance or Ostensorium. It is used to display a round wafer of bread, called the host, which is used in what is called the Mass, Lord's Supper, Communion or Eucharistic meal. The Catholic believes this wafer of bread turns into the actual body of Christ when consecrated during the Mass.
From the "Be Not Afraid" series of videos, Copyright 1992,
Apostolate for Family Consecration

The Roman Catholic Church even admits the Monstrance to be a sunburst:

"During the baroque period, it took on a rayed form of a sun-monstrance with a circular window surrounded by a silver or gold frame with rays."
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#415604 Jan 14, 2013
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
Maryism(not real name) is an old pagan religion Dan, some thought all forgotten but its not.
But its been resurracted Pope John II being one of its followers and who knows how many before him.
Since the 1950's the catholic Church has exalted her to a new level of worship.
Look around the world Dan and tell me people are not worshipping her they carry her through the streets and adore her with flowers gems and other perious stones, gold etc. Bowing and kissing her feet crying ripping at their clothes , if that isn't worship what would you call it. "Its Idol worship"
The wafers that the catholic Church claimm turns to the flesh of Jesus was made for the sungodess which has different names all depends on the language. Look at the imprint on them and tell me what you see on it.
Catholic better wake up soon or its going to be to late
YIKES!
Dan

Omaha, NE

#415605 Jan 14, 2013
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
Maryism(not real name) is an old pagan religion Dan, some thought all forgotten but its not.
But its been resurracted Pope John II being one of its followers and who knows how many before him.
Since the 1950's the catholic Church has exalted her to a new level of worship.
Look around the world Dan and tell me people are not worshipping her they carry her through the streets and adore her with flowers gems and other perious stones, gold etc. Bowing and kissing her feet crying ripping at their clothes , if that isn't worship what would you call it. "Its Idol worship"
The wafers that the catholic Church claimm turns to the flesh of Jesus was made for the sungodess which has different names all depends on the language. Look at the imprint on them and tell me what you see on it.
Catholic better wake up soon or its going to be to late
I'd love to read of Pope Benedict's actions on revival of this pagan religion. What a multitasker! If I were Pope, it'd be all I could do in a day just to shepherd the Catholic Church. I'd like to have his energy! Throw us a citation or a credible source for this news, LTM.

No worries on the communion wafers, LTM-it was actually Jesus Christ who told us that it's His flesh, so we're good there.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#415606 Jan 14, 2013
Free MInd wrote:
I love how Catholics defend the RCC on diplomatic immunity.
"In December 2002, Cardinal Law was forced to resign in disgrace as Archbishop of Boston because of his role in covering up clerical sex abuse. When it became clear that he might have to answer for this in the American courts, the Vatican shipped him to Rome, where he could hide behind its immunity as a sovereign state."
http://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/diplomat...
The RCC has also used diplomatic immunity to avoid testifying in court cases involving:
1.... orphanages
2.... schools for the deaf
3.... bank money laundering for the mafia
Isn't it great that Jesus gave the RCC diplomatic immunity!
Catholics can be very proud and proclaim -- ONLY TRUE CHURCH OF JESUS!
Um, the Vatican is a sovreign state and like it or not, they DO have diplomatic immunity.

Besides, the cases are adjudicated locally. You know that, silly!

Since: Dec 06

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#415607 Jan 14, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
And where is "God" why all this is occurring?
A: Kicking it back on Cloud 9 with Jimi, Janice, Jerry, Bonzo - and probably listening to some kick-ass jams!
It's people like you have love to circumvent the actualities and "hope" something comes about from it good - all the while, you still watch the same ol'-same ol'.
Again I ask, where is your "God" while all this is occuring?
Not as powerful as your team claims "Him" to be.
Shoot - "He" couldn't even give "His children" all the same information regarding which religion is accurate.
Here's a dollar - go and buy a clue.
NASL

Yes. Christianity grows up in the world, and gets knocked about....It isn't all a bed of roses, and contemplating our naval, and looking at the beautiful scenery....

Yes. God gives us each a dollar. Some bury it, some use it, some put it in the bank, some add to it, some invest and multiply it.
To those who don't do so well with the dollar, he will take away and give to those that know how to take care of a lot....

You ask, "Again I ask, where is your "God" while all this is occuring?
Not as powerful as your team claims "Him" to be."

Answer: He gives people right-will, and free-will. Thus he gives. Its our choice to follow virtue and not vice. When right-will is compromised then one becomes a slave to sin, and the free-will is impaired. God does not overide the will. You are asking God to do evil against evil....It just isn't going to happen that way. God is all good. The evidence is plain. The world is going into deeper darkness....You admit it yourself. Why?

I know that goes against Gnosticism God/self/Self(smile) As long as self/ Self is God, and God is Creation, you make God evil and good....

Gnosticism is the one sitting on the sidelines, contemplating their naval....(smile) It will just go along for the ride....
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#415608 Jan 14, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
Um, yeah, I believe in the Holy Trinity.
Is this now controversial?
RELIGIOUS HISTORY, before the advent of Jesus.......,

..... When Osiris is said to bring his believers eternal life in Egyptian Heaven, indescribable glory of God, we understand that as a myth. When Jesus said so, christians claim it to be true.

.......When the sacred rites of Demeter at Eleusis are described as bringing believers happiness in their eternal life, we understand that as a myth. But when Jesus claimed eternal salvation, happiness, christians claim it to be true.



....When ancient writers tell us that in general ancient people believed in eternal life, with the good going to the Elysian Fields and the not so good going to Hades, we understand that as a myth. But when christians teach their version, heaven/hell we understand that to be true.

..... When Vespatian's spittle healed a blind man, we understand that as a myth. When Jesus healed a blind man, we declared that to be true.

......When Apollonius of Tyana raised a girl from death, we understand that as a myth. When Jesus raised Lazerous from the dead we understand that to be true.

......When the Pythia , the priestess at the Oracle at Delphi, in Greece, prophesied, and over and over again for a thousand years, the prophecies came true, we understand that as a myth. When Jewish writers claim prophecies we declare them to be true.

.......When Dionysus turned water into wine, we understand that as a myth. When Dionysus believers are filled with atay, the Spirit of God, we understand that as a myth. When bible claims Jesus turned water into wine we understand that to be true.

...... When Romulus is described as the Son of God, born of a virgin, we understand that as a myth. When Jesus claims to be son of God we claim that to be true.

.....When Alexander the Great is described as the Son of God, born of a mortal woman, we understand that as a myth. Jesus the son of God, we claim that to be true.

How could so many elements, customs/traditions of former god/men end up as being the same customs/traditions and elements of christianity, 1,000 years later?

makes no common sense!
Pat

Granby, CT

#415609 Jan 14, 2013
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
<quoted text>I encourage you to stay on the level you are on with Mother Goose, Sponge Bob etc. Simply put you do not want to reach too far intellectually. You could easily get discouraged and end up in a refrigerator box condo in the slums, spouting incoherent phrases abou being molested by Orville Redinbocker.Leave Theology to the Big Dogs.
Don't apply your stupid onto me you mindless dishonest god dunce.
Mother Goose will fry you for that!
LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#415610 Jan 14, 2013
Proof in the Pudding.

1913 edition of the Catholic Encyclopedia-

The most appropriate form (for the monstrance) is that of the sun emitting its rays to all sides (Instructio Clement., 5).[See Altar Vessels: Ostensorium]

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Notice the letters SFS in the small sunburst blaze on the large close up of a Monstrance above? Each of the letters is a universal symbol for the number 6 in the pagan mysteries, so to the pagan it reads 666! The number 666 is also associated with what is called the "magic square of the sun". The practice of equating names and letters with numbers is called gematria.

The letter F:

The Hebrew letter Vau (V) has a value of 6. The English letter F is a descendant of Vau and retains the same value. The letter F is also the 6th letter of the English alphabet. In pagan numerology the letters F, O, and X have the value of 6.

The Greek symbol Digamma also looks like the letter F and has a value of 6.

The letter S:

The Greek equivalent of Vau is the letter Stau, which looks like an S, and it also has the value of 6.

Sources: The Modern Numerology by John King, published by Blandford, Copyright 1996, ISBN 0-7137-2560-5, page 121 / Behind Numerology, by Shirley Blackwell Lawrence, published by Newcastle Publishing Co., Inc., Copyright 1989, ISBN 0-87877-145-X, page 93 / Jesus Christ Sun of God, by David Fideler, Copyright 1993, published by Quest Books of Wheaton Illinois and Madras India, ISBN 0-8356-0696-1, page 27.

And the flaming Sacred Heart located just below the SFS is actually symbolic of Baal / Tammuz!
(See Consecration to Flaming Sacred Hearts)

The priest (here the Pope) sometimes holds up the sunburst monstrance with the host encased for the congregation to adore and venerate. Virtually any time the monstrance, a pagan sun symbol, is viewed by the congregation, they kneel in submission. A Catholic cannot walk past this sun symbol without acknowledging it by kneeling and or making the sign of the cross with their hands.

From the "Be Not Afraid" series of videos,
Copyright 1992,
Apostolate for Family Consecration


Remember God's commandment forbidding bowing down to images? How can the Catholic justify bowing down before a sun image in veneration? They will tell you that they are paying homage to the host, bread they believe has actually turned into the actual body and blood of Jesus after being consecrated by a priest. Since the wafer, they believe, has been transformed into God Himself, it is the round wafer god inside the sunburst monstrance that they bow down to in worship, not the sunburst monstrance. However, the round wafer of bread itself is also a sun symbol, which is sometimes made quite obvious in Catholic representations of the host in various forms of artwork.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#415611 Jan 14, 2013
MICHAEL wrote:
<quoted text>
RELIGIOUS HISTORY, before the advent of Jesus.......,
..... When Osiris is said to bring his believers eternal life in Egyptian Heaven, indescribable glory of God, we understand that as a myth. When Jesus said so, christians claim it to be true.
.......When the sacred rites of Demeter at Eleusis are described as bringing believers happiness in their eternal life, we understand that as a myth. But when Jesus claimed eternal salvation, happiness, christians claim it to be true.
....When ancient writers tell us that in general ancient people believed in eternal life, with the good going to the Elysian Fields and the not so good going to Hades, we understand that as a myth. But when christians teach their version, heaven/hell we understand that to be true.
..... When Vespatian's spittle healed a blind man, we understand that as a myth. When Jesus healed a blind man, we declared that to be true.
......When Apollonius of Tyana raised a girl from death, we understand that as a myth. When Jesus raised Lazerous from the dead we understand that to be true.
......When the Pythia , the priestess at the Oracle at Delphi, in Greece, prophesied, and over and over again for a thousand years, the prophecies came true, we understand that as a myth. When Jewish writers claim prophecies we declare them to be true.
.......When Dionysus turned water into wine, we understand that as a myth. When Dionysus believers are filled with atay, the Spirit of God, we understand that as a myth. When bible claims Jesus turned water into wine we understand that to be true.
...... When Romulus is described as the Son of God, born of a virgin, we understand that as a myth. When Jesus claims to be son of God we claim that to be true.
.....When Alexander the Great is described as the Son of God, born of a mortal woman, we understand that as a myth. Jesus the son of God, we claim that to be true.
How could so many elements, customs/traditions of former god/men end up as being the same customs/traditions and elements of christianity, 1,000 years later?
makes no common sense!
All really scintillating, but I'm really curious as to why believeing in the Trinity now is cause for alarm from LTM.
Pat

Granby, CT

#415612 Jan 14, 2013
Robert F wrote:
<quoted text>
Pat
Nations and civilizations come and go. Born live die. They do not promote evolution.
So if morality evolved from natural selection, and natural selection came from chemicals, and chemicals from atoms, atoms from sub-atomic particles, then you must think protons and electrons, and oxygen, and rocks, and plants, planets and suns are moral....
All these things come and go by natural processes. To say these processes are moral is illogical. Likewise to anthropomorphize these processes into the biological and natural world is more in line with a narcissistic attitude.
I think it easier to believe that God made man in his own image, and that human beings are moral creatures.
All you do is prove you have a malfunctioning brain.

"I think it easier to believe...."

Exactly, you are mentally very lazy and opt for what is easier to believe over what is rational to believe. Magic magic magic! That's your world simple man's world view. Evolution has left you theists behind.
LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#415613 Jan 14, 2013
Cathedral of Toledo, Spain, made of gilded solid silver and solid gold, being paraded through the streets for public display on the festival of Corpus Christi. It is said to contain 18 kg (40 pounds) of gold, and 183 kg (400 pounds) of silver, for a total weight nearing 1/4 ton of precious metals.

The great monstrance of the cathedral of Toledo, which is more than twelve feet high, and the construction of which occupied in all more than 100 years, is adorned with 260 statuettes, one of the largest of which is said to be made of the gold brought by Columbus from the New World.

Source: Catholic Encyclopedia Online, Ostensorium (Monstrance).

This is how the eucharistic adoration for World Youth Day 2011 was described: "The visual focal point when the pope leads the adoration and Benediction will be a monstrance set into a towering 16th-century gothic structure of silver and gold usually housed in the Toledo cathedral." (NEWS BRIEFS Jul-22-2011) At this event, Benedict XVI led the gathered pilgrims in kneeling down before the exposed round wafer to adore it as God.

Another very large monstrance has recently been made for St. Stanislaus Kostka Church in Chicago that stands 9 feet tall. It depicts the Ark of the Covenant, 2 Cherubim on either side with wings overspread, and Mary in place on the Ark's mercy seat! On her chest is the sunburst symbol that contains a one foot wide wafer host. This is blasphemy and idolatry, depicting Mary on the throne of God in the Holy of Holies of the Sanctuary!
The Sanctuary of the Divine Mercy.

At right is the general sunburst pattern used to symbolize the host, the supposed "true body" of Christ. This design has also been adopted by the Jesuits as their symbol. The IHS is thought by some to represent the first letters of each word in the Latin phrase Iesus Hominum Salvator (Jesus Saviour of Men), although according to the Catholics themselves they actually represent the first three letters of the name "Jesus" in Greek (spelled in Greek iota-eta-sigma-omicron-upsilon -sigma). The pagan though, would quickly see the same sun disk symbol associated with many pagan deities of Egypt, among them Isis, Horus, and Seb. In Egyptian mythology Seb (Geb) was the father of the goddess Isis (Aset), the mother and protectress of her divine son Horus (Harpocrates). Horus (the younger) is frequently depicted on Egyptian temples as a winged sun disk, representing the rays of the rising sun.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#415614 Jan 14, 2013
LTM wrote:
Proof in the Pudding.
1913 edition of the Catholic Encyclopedia-
The most appropriate form (for the monstrance) is that of the sun emitting its rays to all sides (Instructio Clement., 5).[See Altar Vessels: Ostensorium]
----------
Notice the letters SFS in the small sunburst blaze on the large close up of a Monstrance above? Each of the letters is a universal symbol for the number 6 in the pagan mysteries, so to the pagan it reads 666! The number 666 is also associated with what is called the "magic square of the sun". The practice of equating names and letters with numbers is called gematria.
The letter F:
The Hebrew letter Vau (V) has a value of 6. The English letter F is a descendant of Vau and retains the same value. The letter F is also the 6th letter of the English alphabet. In pagan numerology the letters F, O, and X have the value of 6.
The Greek symbol Digamma also looks like the letter F and has a value of 6.
The letter S:
The Greek equivalent of Vau is the letter Stau, which looks like an S, and it also has the value of 6.
Sources: The Modern Numerology by John King, published by Blandford, Copyright 1996, ISBN 0-7137-2560-5, page 121 / Behind Numerology, by Shirley Blackwell Lawrence, published by Newcastle Publishing Co., Inc., Copyright 1989, ISBN 0-87877-145-X, page 93 / Jesus Christ Sun of God, by David Fideler, Copyright 1993, published by Quest Books of Wheaton Illinois and Madras India, ISBN 0-8356-0696-1, page 27.
And the flaming Sacred Heart located just below the SFS is actually symbolic of Baal / Tammuz!
(See Consecration to Flaming Sacred Hearts)
The priest (here the Pope) sometimes holds up the sunburst monstrance with the host encased for the congregation to adore and venerate. Virtually any time the monstrance, a pagan sun symbol, is viewed by the congregation, they kneel in submission. A Catholic cannot walk past this sun symbol without acknowledging it by kneeling and or making the sign of the cross with their hands.
From the "Be Not Afraid" series of videos,
Copyright 1992,
Apostolate for Family Consecration
Remember God's commandment forbidding bowing down to images? How can the Catholic justify bowing down before a sun image in veneration? They will tell you that they are paying homage to the host, bread they believe has actually turned into the actual body and blood of Jesus after being consecrated by a priest. Since the wafer, they believe, has been transformed into God Himself, it is the round wafer god inside the sunburst monstrance that they bow down to in worship, not the sunburst monstrance. However, the round wafer of bread itself is also a sun symbol, which is sometimes made quite obvious in Catholic representations of the host in various forms of artwork.
Catholics do indeed bow in veneration to the Monstrance.

What's in the Monstrance, LTM?

God.

Catholics worship God, so we do indeed bow to God.

Guilty as charged.

Sorry the wafer is round-next time we'll make a square one to satisfy the extreme intellectual curiosity of the "Apostolate for Family Consecration".

Wow.
Pat

Granby, CT

#415615 Jan 14, 2013
Robert F wrote:
<quoted text>
Pat
Faith is humble enough to say it does not know(everything), and therefore is enough to know something.
Knowledge without faith understands(knows) nothing.
The saddest point is that the ignorance of this society as it is in decline does not recognize the necessity of faith, and thus like the other nations will die.
The view you express seeks to eliminate faith as unnecessary. It is and will shortlived, as this Age of Relativism sinks under its own weight.
You thiests are the dregs of society. Dishonest low IQ fools. Evidence proves that a turning away from god is the best thing for a society.

"If this often-touted religious theory were correct-that a turning away from God is at the root of all societal ills-then we would expect to find the least religious nations on earth to be bastions of crime, poverty, and disease and the most religious nations to be models of societal health. A comparison of highly irreligious countries with highly religious countries, however, reveals a very different state of affairs. In reality, the most secular countries-those with the highest proportion of atheists and agnostics-are among the most stable, peaceful, free, wealthy, and healthy societies. And the most religious nations-wherein worship of God is in abundance-are among the most unstable, violent, oppressive, poor, and destitute."

http://www.secularhumanism.org/index.php...
LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#415616 Jan 14, 2013
the Egyptian goddess Isis. Her headdress shows the sun disk within the horns of an Apis bull, symbology which is virtually identical to that of the sunburst monstrance. Also of note, in Isis lap is her infant son, Horus. In this one image you have the symbology of the Catholic monstrance and Mother / child worship which is so prominent in Catholicism.
The Egyptian pharaoh also claimed to be the embodiment of Horus on earth, much like the pope claims to be the infallible Vicar of Christ on earth.

The British Museum.



The Apis bull, as depicted in this Egyptian statuette, is likely to be the pattern used for the golden calf the Israelites made at Mount Sinai (Exo. 32), since they were undoubtedly quite familiar with it as a result of their long captivity in Egypt. Note that in front of the sun disk and horns, which looks virtually identical to some Catholic monstrances, there is the serpent poised to strike. In Scripture the serpent is symbolic of Satan.(Gen 3, Rev. 12:9)


The British Museum.


the reverse side of a medal commemorating the Catholic Eucharistic Congress held in Chicago in 1926 (On the front there is a bust of Pope Pius XI). Note that the round wafer host above the golden cup is portrayed as a radiant sunburst.

UBI PETRUS - IBI ECCLESIA
Where Peter is, there is the Church

LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#415617 Jan 14, 2013
The Worship of Baal is Sun Worship

an artifact unearthed in the holy of holies of the pagan temple in the Canaanite city of Hatzor / Hazor, in northern Israel. It is described as follows:

"Of special interest is a square basalt altar for burning incense. On one of its sides, a circle with a cross in the center the divine symbol of the Canaanite storm god is carved in low relief."
"... a basalt offering table, pillar-shaped, with a carved symbol of the storm god Baal on its side. That symbol was a circle with a cross in the center"


Sources:
Israel Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Hatzor: "The Head of all those Kingdoms"
University of Illinois, Religious Studies, Hazor (archived page)




2 Ki 23:3 And the king [Josiah] stood by a pillar, and made a covenant before the LORD, to walk after the LORD, and to keep his commandments and his testimonies and his statutes with all their heart and all their soul, to perform the words of this covenant that were written in this book. And all the people stood to the covenant.
2 Ki 23:4 And the king commanded Hilkiah the high priest, and the priests of the second order, and the keepers of the door, to bring forth out of the temple of the LORD all the vessels that were made for Baal, and for the grove, and for all the host of heaven: and he burned them without Jerusalem in the fields of Kidron, and carried the ashes of them unto Bethel.
2 Ki 23:5 And he put down the idolatrous priests, whom the kings of Judah had ordained to burn incense in the high places in the cities of Judah, and in the places round about Jerusalem; them also that burned incense unto Baal, to the sun, and to the moon, and to the planets, and to all the host of heaven.
2 Ki 23:6 And he brought out the grove from the house of the LORD, without Jerusalem, unto the brook Kidron, and burned it at the brook Kidron, and stamped it small to powder, and cast the powder thereof upon the graves of the children of the people.

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