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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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#415517 Jan 14, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>if you cringe because i told you the truth, that is your problem. you said that mary tok jesus to save him from herod, I said that you are wrong and i PROVED IT
yOU;The beginning of the Church in Acts..., Mary was there.
NOW YOU SAY THAT BUT AT FIRST YOU INFERRED THAT MARY WAS EVE at the beginning of the church. i proved you wrong by saying that the apostles and the 70 were the charter members not Mary, and also to bolster my stand, I pointed out that Mary was outside with her other children while Jesus was already preaching to the other beleivers. so she was not at the beginning of the church, which means that she was not a charter member. I will concede that many people beleive that that chapter is about the church, but that doesnt mean that they are right.
so even if it is the church, mary is in heaven, she couldnt lead anyone into the wilderness. so you are wrong on that point too. and since you dont know me at all, and just because i disagree with you over Scripture doesnt give you a reason to disrespect me just because you have traveled through "red neck" country.
I place Mary exactly where she belongs, she was Born, she accepted jesus as her savior, she died and is in heaven. that is praise of the Highest, to make her more is lying and does disrespect her and her Son.
preston

lol...,so be it.

You write, "I place Mary exactly where she belongs...."

Sounds like you have a God-complex.

I Cor 15:45 "And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit."

Well who is the last Adam?
Who is the mother of the last Adam?

Think, think, think. Put it together, faith and reason. I know you can do it. Just try....Its not written in the Bible who is the mother of the last Adam....That doesn't mean the last Adam did not have a mother....Come on....

And you still don't refute your chauvinism, especially towards women....At least it is so, by your writings. And it is by them that your thoughts are revealed. You fail to see that your thoughts reveal what you think, and what you think is connected to your heart, and it is out of your heart that comes the words you speak and write....(Very biblical, by the way.)

I don't like writing about the Blessed Mary with you, as it exposes her to your abuse. And so I pray for you instead.

And I don't like writing about scripture with you as your knowledge is excellent, but it is linear. Visions, dreams, prophecy, parables, indeed a great deal of the Bible has these, so discussing them is like a bird that flies, trying to make a rock fly....Yes you are solid in your faith and knowledge, but by your writings, don't take flight without reason, and so are earthbound.

In the end, it all depends upon God's Grace for our salvation, and our acceptance of Jesus as the sacrifice acceptable for expiation of our sins. No one knows the heart but God, so your assumption that I am not saved is like making a stone fly.

Don't believe that you are so special, thinking that God gave you some special mission, and not everyone else.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#415518 Jan 14, 2013
4GVN wrote:
<quoted text>The commands of God are to those who follow the teachings of God(obviously). The commands were not given to secular government leaders. They were to the 'church'.
It would seem quite clear that the prohibition was on 'religious' icons used by those who adhere to the teachings of God.
Can money be an 'idol'? Yes it can. But it was not created with religious intent.
You are still seeking to find a way NOT to follow God's clear command. WHY? Because that is what you have been taught.
And if there is any doubt, why not error on God's side? Why risk it? Are icons and statues something that the RCC MUST HAVE?
If I am wrong, I am 'safely' wrong. On the other hand if you are wrong you are guilty of mortal sin. It is an easy choice for me. What is your priority?
You use graven images. Money is comprised of graven images. It says "God" right on every coin and reserve note.

Why?

You said those who love the Lord are expressly forbidden to do so. You were abundantly clear. You made no distinction.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#415519 Jan 14, 2013
4GVN wrote:
<quoted text>The commands of God are to those who follow the teachings of God(obviously). The commands were not given to secular government leaders. They were to the 'church'.
It would seem quite clear that the prohibition was on 'religious' icons used by those who adhere to the teachings of God.
Can money be an 'idol'? Yes it can. But it was not created with religious intent.
You are still seeking to find a way NOT to follow God's clear command. WHY? Because that is what you have been taught.
And if there is any doubt, why not error on God's side? Why risk it? Are icons and statues something that the RCC MUST HAVE?
If I am wrong, I am 'safely' wrong. On the other hand if you are wrong you are guilty of mortal sin. It is an easy choice for me. What is your priority?
Statuary isn't required in the RCC, no.
Fun Facts

Freeland, MI

#415520 Jan 14, 2013
4GVN wrote:
Clay, can you explain to me exactly where is the line between veneration and worship? Do ANY catholics in all of the world EVER cross over that line? Is Mary ever 'worshipped' like God?
The literal Greek translation of the 2nd commandment does not say 'putting images in [lace of Him as deity'. The literal translation is 'Thou shalt have no other gods in My presence.'
Why do you think man's artistic ability in making images or icons somehow 'further glorifies Him.
If someone made a statue of Clay that looked nothing like Clay would you be pleased? Do you KNOW what Jesus looked like? And why do you feel that you need an image to 'hesp' you remember to worship God? Does He posses lso little of your heart and mind that you are always forgetting about Him?
And again you are ignoring the instructions regarding graven images. The scripture clearly says not to make unto thyself 'any graven images'. But why would you care what scripture says? You only care what the RCC says.
But someday you will give an account to God( not the magisterium) explaining why you chose to disregard His very detailed instructions.
A Consult explanation may help...
http://www.orthodoxresearchinstitute.org/arti...

Questions?
http://avemariaradio.net/catholic-online-radi...
truth

Perth, Australia

#415521 Jan 14, 2013
very funny..you don't have your head..o well i explain to you..you can have stupid head so what?..its mean you not compete to anyone for big pride chair..after all why should be.
Are you for sure Jesus sit in first chair?
Scripture explain perfect..o you scribe Pharisee this and that..where they are ..they are first..klap klap klap to smart people.
ookkkkkkk
now
what a about that
who is last will be first..
is that stupid for you..how can be so stupid be last oj oj oj..

Put one tiny hair in your water then what..its start as new life tiny cell start swim..stupid simple diploma is good..very weak..o you don't need bigger as well not fast history of evolution.

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#415522 Jan 14, 2013
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
Where was Mary before God ?? to be His Mother she would be His creator.
You forgot Abraham, Moses, and King David, are they not part of God's Church.
In Acts the Church was impowered by the Holy Spirit, He said he had to go away but would send a comforter who would teach us all things (Who Is the comforter It is God the Holy Spirit).
Mary has no Power, She is not Queen Of Heaven, She can not hear your Prayers neither other dead people can dead people.
Regina told me once no one knows who will go to heaven till they get there, so if people don't know who is in heaven its a good chance you could be praying to someone who is in Hell.
As satan can hear you pray its a good chance you could be
conjuring up demons like King Saul did.
He got a medium to bring Samuel back from the dead : He losts his life and so did His son Jonathon.
You will bring a curse on yourself and your family.
God said we are not to pray to the dead. weather they are in heaven or hell.
And there is no purgatory, that was made up to lout people pockets.
Catholic's plainly ignore what God says 'THOU SHALL NOT DO".
DO YOU THINK YOU ARE EXEMPT FROM THE WREATH THAT IS TO COME,
AGAINST ALL THOSE WHO THINK THEY CAN ADD AND SUBTRACT FROM GOD'S HOLY SCRIPTURE OR CHANGE THEM TO SUIT YOURSELF.
I WONDER HOW THE CATHOLIC'S ARE GOING TO EXPLAIN ALL THAT, ON JUDGEMENT DAY. WELL I AM NOT TO BOTHER MYSELF WITH THAT IT ISN'T MY BUSINESS. I HAVE TO WORK OUT MY OWN SALVATION WITH FEAR AND TREMBLING.
LTM good friend

Did Jesus take James, Peter, and John up a mountain and discussed with two dead people something?

So your prejudice is that your faith lacks understanding, that the living can be in the presence of the dead, and can know who they are....

And where Jesus is the Church living and dead are in His Presence, and things are discussed and revealed, this is possible for all believers. It is just that some deny by faith and do not understand.
Pat

Granby, CT

#415523 Jan 14, 2013
truth wrote:
its so simple
You are created on his image..do you liked that..i don't know..simple i am not to much care or i am going judge you about that..you have free will what you want from yourself up to you.
Please don't force anyone about love what others like or not.
We are deference in many aspect.
Are you for sure your God presented on your Altar in your temple?
noooooooooooooooooo
Simple is right. God loves stupid.

Only the very ignorant are perfectly satisfied that they know. To the common man the great problems are easy. He has no trouble in accounting for the universe. He can tell you the origin and destiny of man and the why and wherefore of things.
-- Robert Green Ingersoll, "Liberty In Literature" (1890)
Pat

Granby, CT

#415524 Jan 14, 2013
Christianity has such a contemptible opinion of human nature that it does not believe a man can tell the truth unless frightened by a belief in God. No lower opinion of the human race has ever been expressed.
-- Robert Green Ingersoll
truth

Perth, Australia

#415525 Jan 14, 2013
you are not honest
you asked
where is conciseness within not conciseness..
before you explain about ribs and creation from ribs its my last bone from that i will created woman and give as gift to man..are you for sure man don't love belonging of his rib..then how can be woman is wrong or ribs is wrong..

now i explain to you so tiny simple hair..
hair from what?
cat dog horse or what..

Did angels have hair?
Dan

Omaha, NE

#415526 Jan 14, 2013
Pat wrote:
Christianity has such a contemptible opinion of human nature that it does not believe a man can tell the truth unless frightened by a belief in God. No lower opinion of the human race has ever been expressed.
-- Robert Green Ingersoll
Pat-

You can believe as you wish, but how can you simply dismiss St. Paul as a "liar" while simultaneously exhorting all of us to take Robert Green Ingersoll at face?

A bit contradictory, yes?
disciple

Temecula, CA

#415527 Jan 14, 2013
Pat wrote:
Christianity has such a contemptible opinion of human nature that it does not believe a man can tell the truth unless frightened by a belief in God. No lower opinion of the human race has ever been expressed.
-- Robert Green Ingersoll
It looks like you found your god.
truth

Perth, Australia

#415528 Jan 14, 2013
so what you say my faith is zero..and you say Jesus can do anything..now..he don't liked us..its ok if not..are you very proud of that fra roberto..if yes good luck to you..we will wait another evolution with hair..maybe some funny gay can created us without you fra Roberto..don't fill sorry even if we belong to smelly worms.
Are you for sure Jesus never visited any graveyards with warms..by roberto don't lose yourself because of me..to be holy you can be we don't need.
its good be stupid

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#415529 Jan 14, 2013
jethro8 wrote:
<quoted text>you are out of line,why? what are you accomplishing here by throwing out these insults? you the forum bully?
hey jethro, how about you doing me afavor, step back take a flying leap and kiss. when i wrote that, several of us were using a little levity to have some fun talking about FOOD. nothing else.

you are completely out of line on this one, freak.
Pat

Granby, CT

#415530 Jan 14, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
Pat-
You can believe as you wish, but how can you simply dismiss St. Paul as a "liar" while simultaneously exhorting all of us to take Robert Green Ingersoll at face?
A bit contradictory, yes?
Because Ingersoll is not making any claims he can not support. If I claim I have won the lottery before checking my ticket am I a lair, yes or no? If you claim there is a god when you do not know if what you are caliming is true you are a lair, plain and simple. This is why honest people reject blind ignorant dishonest faith. To claim there is a god is no different than claiming there are aliens on Pluto and if you have no evidence to back up your claim you are guilty of falsehood.
Pat

Granby, CT

#415531 Jan 14, 2013
disciple wrote:
<quoted text>
It looks like you found your god.
I respect and admire honest rational thought. I don't worship anything, that submissive behavior is better suited to the mental slaves called theists.
LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#415532 Jan 14, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>he died a few years ago. I think the name of his ministry was worldwide church of god.
here are some views of that statement about the lost tribes which they now reject as being untrue
10. British Israelism/Anglo-Israelism.(und er Armstrong)-- Views the "lost ten tribes" of Israel as the key to prophecy. Claims that "Judah" and "Israel" always refer to the two separate nations, and that inhabitants of Great Britain are of the tribe of Ephraim, while the inhabitants of America are of the tribe of Manasseh.(Armstrong never did explain how a Britisher, by immigrating to the U.S., moves from the tribe of Ephraim to the tribe of Manasseh.) Claims that white Anglo-Saxons are the chosen people of God.
British Israelism/Anglo-Israelism.(und er Tkach)-- Late-1995, the church officially rejected the doctrine that the Anglo-Saxons descended from the tribes of Israel
The doctrinal foundation of the Worldwide Church of God was adopted from the Seventh-Day Adventists through the Church of God-7th Day. Armstrong added the Identity of Modern Israel theory which he obtained from J. H. Allen and the Jewish Feast Days
this is like the jw's"Also, the Holy Spirit is not a person, but an active force emanating from God. " marge would go bonkes on this statement.Armstrong taught that a believer could lose salvation by disobeying what Armstrong declared to be "God's command through His chosen Apostle." He wrote, "Do you want to let resentment against God's government over you NOW disqualify you -- snatch you from God's GRACE and PURPOSE for you, and cast you into a lake of fire?" (Dear Brethren Letter, May 2, 1974, p. 7).
http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Cults/arm...
This is a link to the 12 tribes and the History of them.
http://jewsandjoes.com/the-10-lost-tribes-of-...
Dan

Omaha, NE

#415533 Jan 14, 2013
Pat wrote:
<quoted text>
Because Ingersoll is not making any claims he can not support. If I claim I have won the lottery before checking my ticket am I a lair, yes or no? If you claim there is a god when you do not know if what you are caliming is true you are a lair, plain and simple. This is why honest people reject blind ignorant dishonest faith. To claim there is a god is no different than claiming there are aliens on Pluto and if you have no evidence to back up your claim you are guilty of falsehood.
Ingersoll woudl simply say there is no God and you'd take him at face. Why do you require greater rigor for others' beliefs than you do for your own?

BTW, "I can't see God so he doesn't exist" doesn't pass for rigor.

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#415534 Jan 14, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>hey jethro, how about you doing me afavor, step back take a flying leap and kiss. when i wrote that, several of us were using a little levity to have some fun talking about FOOD. nothing else.
you are completely out of line on this one, freak.
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atemcowboy wrote:
hey karen, have you ever sopped bean soup with corn bread and got it on your chin before?lol

her;
Do you even have to ask that?

I'm from the south man!

We live on that stuff.

Do y'all cook your's with fat back?
Dan

Omaha, NE

#415535 Jan 14, 2013
Pat wrote:
<quoted text>
Because Ingersoll is not making any claims he can not support. If I claim I have won the lottery before checking my ticket am I a lair, yes or no? If you claim there is a god when you do not know if what you are caliming is true you are a lair, plain and simple. This is why honest people reject blind ignorant dishonest faith. To claim there is a god is no different than claiming there are aliens on Pluto and if you have no evidence to back up your claim you are guilty of falsehood.
......and don't feel that I'm attempting to dissuade you from any beliefs you hold. I'm as interested in "converting" an agnostic as you are in being converted-that is, not at all.

I was simply inquiring as to how your posts presented themselves.
Pat

Granby, CT

#415536 Jan 14, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
Ingersoll woudl simply say there is no God and you'd take him at face. Why do you require greater rigor for others' beliefs than you do for your own?
BTW, "I can't see God so he doesn't exist" doesn't pass for rigor.
Stop lying. Ingersoll said the theists claim of a god is unproven, not that it has been proven false.

BTW, "I can't see God so he does exist" doesn't pass for rigor, hypocrite.

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