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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 687376 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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LTM

Longlac, Canada

#415738 Jan 14, 2013
ReginaM wrote:
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What? You think we're denying that we worship and adore Jesus Christ? We do worship and adore Him, it's not a secret and there's nothing new about it. Christians have believed in the Real Presence for the last 2,000 years. What non-Christians believe is anybody's guess.
You also have been shown Bibical truth on here many times,according to the Holy Scriptures.
You call them lies. You also are with out excuse. When the terrible day of the Lord shall come on all those who choose to deny them.

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#415739 Jan 14, 2013
Clay wrote:
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Are you saying we've become so smart now, that we can over rule the Apostles? ooh. I don't think I wanna go there Preston. That is asking for trouble.
Ignatius wanted to die a Martyr. He heard the gospel directly from the Apostle John.
I'm really not sure why you'd not care what this man had to say.
you have been taught to tell us that about igie, but people like me believe the Bible and the bible says nothing about this kook. does it?

the Bible records over 3200 different people in the Bible, so you would think that if your statement was true, his name would easily be found. wouldnt it?
even a person(but not by name) who is as obscure as myself, can be found mentioned in the Bible, but yet this VIP for catholicism cant be found, and so you ask me to beleive this type of person, thanks but no thanks.

By the 5th century, this authentic collection had been enlarged by spurious letters, and some of the original letters had been changed with interpolations,

{{{created to posthumously enlist Ignatius as an unwitting witness in theological disputes of that age,}}} ME; THIS MEANS THAT SOMEONE LIED ABOUT HIM FOR WHATEVER REASON

{{{while the purported eye-witness account of his martyrdom is also thought to be a forgery from around the same time.}}}

{{{ A detailed but spurious account}}}SEE THIS

of Ignatius' arrest and his travails and martyrdom is the material of the Martyrium Ignatii which is presented as being an eyewitness account for the church of Antioch, and as if written by Ignatius' companions, Philo of Cilicia, deacon at Tarsus, and Rheus Agathopus, a Syrian.

BETTER TO READ AND UNDERSTAND WHAT THE APOSTLES ACTUALLY TAUGHT.
Clay

Melrose Park, IL

#415740 Jan 14, 2013
LTM wrote:
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You also have been shown Bibical truth on here many times,according to the Holy Scriptures.
You call them lies. You also are with out excuse. When the terrible day of the Lord shall come on all those who choose to deny them.
We been shown the biblical opinion of some born agains.. NOT biblical truth.
Slander and Propaganda is all you guys got.

The thing is: once your church gets caught deceiving about one teaching, it really doesn't matter if you're right on another. Your whole reputation comes crumbling down because you lied about something. And with all of Protestant land, the universal lie is sola scripture. Therefore nothing you guys have to say matters as you're already built on sand because sola scripture is unbiblical. Its a lie.
If I found out the Catholic Church was using deceit in her teachings, id cease being a Catholic right now. They have never done it.
LTM, not one single evangelical pastor can exist, UNLESS he stands up at the pulpit and lies about Catholics... I guarantee it. You got no religion LTM without using deception. Its been proven to ya countless times on here.
LTM

Longlac, Canada

#415741 Jan 14, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Rituals of people, cultures and religions are so different than others, yet still represent the similarities.
Example:
LTM posts about the monstrances, yet more than likely, she too does monstrances. Whichever days she decides to worship on, and more than likely on that day, she will pretty herself up and all dollied out, to go and worship in fellowship.
Rituals of vanity are probably just as bad as monstrances, but will LTM ever go to church in dirty clothes, or in yesterday's attire?
Who am I to speculate what a ritual is, especially when I conduct none, huh?
"To know yourself is to know the kingdom of God" - Jesus
Every day is the Day the Lord has Made,
Every mornings His Grace and Mercy is fresh and new.
I worship the Lord my God every day. do you believe one day a week is good enough to thank God for all He has done.
I don't.
Those whose mind is on the Lord are in perfect peace.
Clay

Melrose Park, IL

#415742 Jan 14, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>you have been taught to tell us that about igie, but people like me believe the Bible and the bible says nothing about this kook. does it?
the Bible records over 3200 different people in the Bible, so you would think that if your statement was true, his name would easily be found. wouldnt it?
even a person(but not by name) who is as obscure as myself, can be found mentioned in the Bible, but yet this VIP for catholicism cant be found, and so you ask me to beleive this type of person, thanks but no thanks.
By the 5th century, this authentic collection had been enlarged by spurious letters, and some of the original letters had been changed with interpolations,
{{{created to posthumously enlist Ignatius as an unwitting witness in theological disputes of that age,}}} ME; THIS MEANS THAT SOMEONE LIED ABOUT HIM FOR WHATEVER REASON
{{{while the purported eye-witness account of his martyrdom is also thought to be a forgery from around the same time.}}}
{{{ A detailed but spurious account}}}SEE THIS
of Ignatius' arrest and his travails and martyrdom is the material of the Martyrium Ignatii which is presented as being an eyewitness account for the church of Antioch, and as if written by Ignatius' companions, Philo of Cilicia, deacon at Tarsus, and Rheus Agathopus, a Syrian.
BETTER TO READ AND UNDERSTAND WHAT THE APOSTLES ACTUALLY TAUGHT.
Ah yes, the convenient protestant strategy on documents that conflict with them.
...find a way to throw it out!
Or
shape, mold and form it til you have the Christianity you want.
7th Day Catholic Rocks

Poplar Bluff, MO

#415743 Jan 14, 2013
Disciple wrote:
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By definition you would have to have a personal relationship with someone to make that determination.
Do you know him personally?
AFTER 3 YEAR ON HERE WITH HIM AS PERSONAL AS I DARE.......lol
Pad

Fishers, IN

#415744 Jan 14, 2013
Aviela wrote:
<quoted text> Sorry buddy 3 does not equal 1. You keep saying father this and son that but you believe they are the same person. Now who's who confused?
The Father,the Son and the Holy Spirit are G O D.What is God? You should answer that question.But Moses was the first to come to know who God was,and IS. Did not God speak from the fiery bush and say 'I AM WHO I AM" "tell them"I AM has sent me"

God is CREATOR,and He has no beginning nor an End. We cannot imagine the extent of what is eternal.But God is Eternal,and it says in Genesis"Let Us make man in our image." God is Complete,self- contained,Almighty,and could have BEEN satisfied in H I S Person without creation.But He chose that because He sought to have relationship with beings that He would give the Pro-Creative ability to perpetuate life.

"This is My Son in Whom I am well Pleased." It is interesting that we human beings can have sons and daughters and enjoy their unique role with us as Blood relatives,yet God in the Father and the Son cannot by some reasoning on our own have that. The Father said to the Son"This day I have begotten Thee." He did not create the Son,but that the Son came from His Essence,and the fellowship they have is that of father and son,of the same BLOOD.

Only Jesus can know the extent of worshiping the Father in Spirit and in Truth,since He is called in Hebrews:"The Way,the Truth and the Life." No M a n can come to the Father above,unless he goes through the Son. As the same in many cases with human relationships.People who seek to meet a certain man may find a road block,in that the son or sons will keep them from meeting their father,without their permission or showing that the father is in their best interest.Certain cultures observe that.

JESUS is literally the:mind,body,soul and spirit of God the Father,in that He completely shares with the Apostles the reltionship of the INNER Circle as it were between the Father and the Son.Peter could not have known that Jesus was the Son of God,without the Holy Spirit,so it is the same with us.How can we know hte Son,as He continues to share the same glory with the Father,without a revelation of it by the Holy Spirit?
7th Day Catholic Rocks

Poplar Bluff, MO

#415745 Jan 14, 2013
LTM wrote:
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Since I have been born again I have been hearing about these two witnesses.
I have been told that the two messengers, one man from the Nation of Israel, and one man from the Gentile Church because they both are witnesses for God.
Who knows we all shall see who they are in God's timing
Believe it or not you have come closest to the truth so far. very Good.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#415746 Jan 14, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>lol, if you already have Him, why do you feel that you receive HIm every week.
do you lose Him as soon as you walk out of the church?
what happens if you make Him mad and He doesnt come back next Sunday(or whenever).
what happens if you start to choke on Him and you spit Him out on the floor?
Now see, we who are Born Again, dont have those worries.
He is living inside of us, because we Believe.
which is really what it is all about, in obediance of His Word, not a piece of grain.
We receive Him at Holy Communion.

He promised this and that His Church would last until the end of days on Earth, so He will be there-He promised. All in the Bible.

Very bad form on the choking and spitting out reference. Poor breeding on your part.

If you really did obey His word in John 6, you'd believe as Catholics do-that you receive Him in the Eucharist. Now, you're mocking Him and His real presence.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#415747 Jan 14, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>it is symbolic, clay, not reality.
if a person is living in sin, and yet takes this ritual, which is religious in nature, Partakes, then they are lying to the Holy Ghost and will receive the same judgement as annias and his wife.
I think that Paul is telling you exactly what I am telling you too.
as I just told dan using his chapter, it is BELIEF in Jesus himself, that saves a person.
that piece of grain and that grape has no Saving power.
Gof God so loved the world tha He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever BELEIVETH in Him, should not perish but have everlasting life.
that verse contains all the info that any person needs to be Saved,
and it contains no reference to a piece of grain nor a grape,
only a belief in Jesus Christ. and an acceptance.
no matter what you say, I am going to come back to one and only major theme of the Bible. beleif!
"beleif" except in what Christ actually SAYS about His body and blood, several times, in John 6.
ReginaM

Lakehurst, NJ

#415748 Jan 14, 2013
Disciple wrote:
<quoted text>
And they are expensive too along with divorces.
My father in law is trying to remarry and the church is charging him $3k for the divorce, and that's because he has connections otherwise it would be close to 10k
Wow, you protestants are raking in a fortune! I know you're not referring to the Catholic Church, because she doesn't grant divorces, nor does she sell indulgences.
Free MInd

Melbourne, FL

#415749 Jan 14, 2013
If their miraculous claims are true, then the Roman Catholic Church is the biggest failure in history.

Only about 5% of humanity are practicing Catholics.

Jesus suffered and died, gave the RCC perfect teachings on faith and morals, and so far, only saved 5% of humanity through this supposed "appointed" church.

Why bother with so much suffering to save mankind from sin -- when only 5% are saved through the supposed "one-true" path?

The child sex-abuse scandal is nothing.

The RCC has failed Jesus.

Ummm? Maybe there's a connection?
Pad

Fishers, IN

#415750 Jan 14, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
We been shown the biblical opinion of some born agains.. NOT biblical truth.
Slander and Propaganda is all you guys got.
The thing is: once your church gets caught deceiving about one teaching, it really doesn't matter if you're right on another. Your whole reputation comes crumbling down because you lied about something. And with all of Protestant land, the universal lie is sola scripture. Therefore nothing you guys have to say matters as you're already built on sand because sola scripture is unbiblical. Its a lie.
If I found out the Catholic Church was using deceit in her teachings, id cease being a Catholic right now. They have never done it.
LTM, not one single evangelical pastor can exist, UNLESS he stands up at the pulpit and lies about Catholics... I guarantee it. You got no religion LTM without using deception. Its been proven to ya countless times on here.
I am so glad that your guarantee it,is wrong Clay.

No Not true,some Evangelical pastors may preach from their pulpits the flaws of other denominations and groups,also churches.Especially pastors who often lead congregations solo,without being part of a denomination,out there starting some church in first a store front,or gymnasium of a school.

But the truth is Catholicism is not the focus of attacks by evangelical pastors in general.They are about the business of bringing light from the Scriptures.I have been in my church now 20 years,and under several different pastorships,NONE of which spent two seconds criticizing or attacking the doctrines of Roman Catholicism. Almost every pastor of our church has been part of city-wide events that included priests and ministers.Right[-to Life campaigns which included huge lines up and down major city streets in our city,were represented by evangelicals and Catholics.

I understand why you make such a statement,but you are wrong,sorry Clay!
Disciple

San Diego, CA

#415751 Jan 14, 2013
ReginaM wrote:
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Wow, you protestants are raking in a fortune! I know you're not referring to the Catholic Church, because she doesn't grant divorces, nor does she sell indulgences.
I do believe by the way you guys defend the church that you are living in a bubble here in the US. Things are a lot different in Latin America, and those things are normal practice there. All my relatives are catholic. Nice people by the way, very nice.
Free MInd

Melbourne, FL

#415752 Jan 14, 2013
Disciple wrote:
<quoted text>
I do believe by the way you guys defend the church that you are living in a bubble here in the US. Things are a lot different in Latin America, and those things are normal practice there. All my relatives are catholic. Nice people by the way, very nice.
What a scam -- "carefully investigated" annulments.

Who's fooling who?

Look at reality. How many annulments are denied?

A good guess is close to zero.
ReginaM

Lakehurst, NJ

#415753 Jan 14, 2013
Disciple wrote:
<quoted text>
I do believe by the way you guys defend the church that you are living in a bubble here in the US. Things are a lot different in Latin America, and those things are normal practice there. All my relatives are catholic. Nice people by the way, very nice.
The Church is the Church no matter the location. And the Church does not grant divorces, nor does she sell indulgences. Period. Being nice doesn't preclude their being ignorant of their faith. It's unfortunate, but it happens.

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#415754 Jan 14, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>guest first brought up the word "sop", and since I was eating some bean soup and since this is how we do it, grab a piece of corn bread, dip it in the beans and go to town, and if you drop the bread in the beans, not a biggie. use your own method to get it out. since I am civilized, I get it out the best way I can.
another piece of bread works, but a spoon is the easiest.
the point was, that even tho this word "sop" was centuries old, the practice is still the same as it was back at the Lords Supper.
Not only that,when we eat something that's really good,we call it good sop.

Soup beans cooked with fatback with onions,corn bread, and fried taters,mmmmm,now that's some good sop!
OH I forgot fried creases or fried poke.
Sock Puppy

Plattsburg, MO

#415755 Jan 14, 2013
Free MInd wrote:
If their miraculous claims are true, then the Roman Catholic Church is the biggest failure in history.
Only about 5% of humanity are practicing Catholics.
Jesus suffered and died, gave the RCC perfect teachings on faith and morals, and so far, only saved 5% of humanity through this supposed "appointed" church.
Why bother with so much suffering to save mankind from sin -- when only 5% are saved through the supposed "one-true" path?
The child sex-abuse scandal is nothing.
The RCC has failed Jesus.
Ummm? Maybe there's a connection?

The Pontifex Maximus is not the 'vicar of christ'

The Roman Harlot

www.youtube.com/watch...
LTM

Longlac, Canada

#415756 Jan 14, 2013
7th Day Catholic Rocks wrote:
<quoted text>Believe it or not you have come closest to the truth so far. very Good.
I read your post on this subject 7th and found it very interesting. I love the bible God's word is so a live , I am sorry to say I am on my own for now I have no church family anymore.
The Pastor we had left after many years, and haven't chosen a new one yet.
A lot of the older people have left the Church, and after 12 years Home Harvester our home church is no more.
I am praying for a new Home Church family. I love our church though, its just at my age change is hard I guess. LOL I am set in my ways .
LTM

Longlac, Canada

#415757 Jan 14, 2013
ReginaM wrote:
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The Church is the Church no matter the location. And the Church does not grant divorces, nor does she sell indulgences. Period. Being nice doesn't preclude their being ignorant of their faith. It's unfortunate, but it happens.
Go to Spain, Or Mexico, Brazil, and then come back and say that Regina.
They are not the same,

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