Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ. Full Story
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#415476 Jan 14, 2013
Pat wrote:
<quoted text>
It's amusing how the dishonest theist so often picks a dishonest user name like "truth" or "dr reality" etc. They are trying to convince themselves they are not not lying idiots is all.
What man has ever created himself?
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#415477 Jan 14, 2013
Pat wrote:
<quoted text>
If they believe in those things blindly, absent of evidence then theya re just as screwed up as any thiest who holds blind unsupported beliefs.
Atheists and theists generally do not argue over the merits of believing in aliens on Pluto, or in leprechauns. We rarely dispute what is or is not valid evidence for something outside the scope of religion (death denial). It is ONLY in matters that conflict with the theists cherished death denial mythology that these disagreements arise. This clearly proves the hypocrisy, dishonesty and ignorance of the theist. Theists prove every day they are capable of logical rational thought. They serve on juries every day using normal reasoning and logic. Theists do not all beleive in bigfoot, psychics, goblins and dragons. They use normal reasoning to reject all these other unsupported beliefs. The ONLY time the theists throw reason out the window is when it comes to facing their mortality, then they use no reason at all in order to adopt their irrational mythology and avoid facing death honestly.A theist is just a dishonest coward who refuses to face death like an adult, nothing more.
What man has ever created himself?
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#415478 Jan 14, 2013
Pat wrote:
<quoted text>
If they believe in those things blindly, absent of evidence then theya re just as screwed up as any thiest who holds blind unsupported beliefs.
Atheists and theists generally do not argue over the merits of believing in aliens on Pluto, or in leprechauns. We rarely dispute what is or is not valid evidence for something outside the scope of religion (death denial). It is ONLY in matters that conflict with the theists cherished death denial mythology that these disagreements arise. This clearly proves the hypocrisy, dishonesty and ignorance of the theist. Theists prove every day they are capable of logical rational thought. They serve on juries every day using normal reasoning and logic. Theists do not all beleive in bigfoot, psychics, goblins and dragons. They use normal reasoning to reject all these other unsupported beliefs. The ONLY time the theists throw reason out the window is when it comes to facing their mortality, then they use no reason at all in order to adopt their irrational mythology and avoid facing death honestly.A theist is just a dishonest coward who refuses to face death like an adult, nothing more.
Where did morality find its beginning?
Clay

United States

#415479 Jan 14, 2013
Pat wrote:
<quoted text>
If they believe in those things blindly, absent of evidence then theya re just as screwed up as any thiest who holds blind unsupported beliefs.
Atheists and theists generally do not argue over the merits of believing in aliens on Pluto, or in leprechauns. We rarely dispute what is or is not valid evidence for something outside the scope of religion (death denial). It is ONLY in matters that conflict with the theists cherished death denial mythology that these disagreements arise. This clearly proves the hypocrisy, dishonesty and ignorance of the theist. Theists prove every day they are capable of logical rational thought. They serve on juries every day using normal reasoning and logic. Theists do not all beleive in bigfoot, psychics, goblins and dragons. They use normal reasoning to reject all these other unsupported beliefs. The ONLY time the theists throw reason out the window is when it comes to facing their mortality, then they use no reason at all in order to adopt their irrational mythology and avoid facing death honestly.A theist is just a dishonest coward who refuses to face death like an adult, nothing more.
The difference is that we (Catholics anyway) do not claim that God can be scientifically proven in a lab- nor has the Church ever claimed God to be anything other than the mysterious, supernatural creator of all things.
Its you guys that turn and and demand us to prove God in a science lab - when that is not even our claim.
hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#415480 Jan 14, 2013
jethro8 wrote:
<quoted text>like i told you,constantine most likely told his group of men not to put every word in the bible,
"most likely"??? That sounds like the "majority of personal opinionated" answers, which you have become an "expert" at arriving at your distorted (so called) Church History facts and conclusions. You can believe ANYTHING and in ANYWAY you want! Makes "absolutely--no difference to me"!!I'll stick to the TRUTH of TRUE Church History with Jesus Christ and His One True Apostolic Catholic Church from the documented historical writings from those who "know the truth"---(the Apologistic History authors and writers (both Catholic and Protestant), the biographies and manuscripts from the Lives of the Saints (in the Church) and the
writings from the Early Church Fathers of the Catholic Church handed down for 2000 years, verified (overwhelmingly) by Church Historian Experts who spend their entire lives, confirming and researching TRUE Church History.----You can continue to rely on your (quote)----- "most likely"---- assumptions, suppositions and "crap-shoot" ---(anti-catholic) "hack" writers in order to keep your "hostility, vengeance and hate" (heated up) against the PROVEN TRUTH of Jesus Christ and His One True Apostolic Catholic Church!---
Pat

Granby, CT

#415481 Jan 14, 2013
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
What man has ever created himself?
Ever hear of sex?
hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#415482 Jan 14, 2013
Free MInd wrote:
RUN CATHOLICS, RUN!!
FACT: Matthew, Mark and Luke ALL agree.
There is no such thing as HOLY Diplomatic Immunity from justice for children.
Catholics here cannot look this reality in the eye.
A few Priests cannot invoke diplomatic immunity. It is the church that makes a claim of immunity on behalf of "a few priests."
There is no way in Hell that Jesus would guide such a travesty of justice.
BUSTED and deservedly so.
WHO CARES!! We as Catholic, quote frankly< don't give one "iota" as to what you believe, because when bible only Protestants,like you, have become "so ingrainly stuck" on attacking and spreading your "distorted heretical trash opinions) against the Catholic Church and 2000 years of the TRUTH of TRUE (Universal-Catholic) Church of Jesus Christ, no amount of dialogue or discussion will change the "bondage" that you have chosen to "shackle your mind, heart and soul in! We as Catholics will continue to pray that
God will lead you to the TRUTH and out of your bondage of vengeance and hate!!!
Pat

Granby, CT

#415483 Jan 14, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
The difference is that we (Catholics anyway) do not claim that God can be scientifically proven in a lab- nor has the Church ever claimed God to be anything other than the mysterious, supernatural creator of all things.
Its you guys that turn and and demand us to prove God in a science lab - when that is not even our claim.
You claim there is a god and you no more know this is true than you know if there are aliens on Pluto. You are guilty of a lie and the burden of proof is on you to back up your claim or accept that you are a liar no different from me where I to claim there are aliens on Pluto.

It is an established maxim and moral that he who makes an assertion without knowing whether it is true or false is guilty of falsehood, and the accidental truth of the assertion does not justify or excuse him.-- Abraham Lincoln
Pat

Granby, CT

#415484 Jan 14, 2013
Truth wrote:
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Where did morality find its beginning?
Morality are the rules of human group co-operation. They exist in us because they are a benefit to our survival. Civilization could not occur without these rules of co-operation. They evolved in us through natural selection like any other useful trait.
4GVN

Scott City, MO

#415485 Jan 14, 2013
Clay, can you explain to me exactly where is the line between veneration and worship? Do ANY catholics in all of the world EVER cross over that line? Is Mary ever 'worshipped' like God?
The literal Greek translation of the 2nd commandment does not say 'putting images in [lace of Him as deity'. The literal translation is 'Thou shalt have no other gods in My presence.'
Why do you think man's artistic ability in making images or icons somehow 'further glorifies Him.
If someone made a statue of Clay that looked nothing like Clay would you be pleased? Do you KNOW what Jesus looked like? And why do you feel that you need an image to 'hesp' you remember to worship God? Does He posses lso little of your heart and mind that you are always forgetting about Him?
And again you are ignoring the instructions regarding graven images. The scripture clearly says not to make unto thyself 'any graven images'. But why would you care what scripture says? You only care what the RCC says.
But someday you will give an account to God( not the magisterium) explaining why you chose to disregard His very detailed instructions.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#415486 Jan 14, 2013
4GVN wrote:
Clay, can you explain to me exactly where is the line between veneration and worship? Do ANY catholics in all of the world EVER cross over that line? Is Mary ever 'worshipped' like God?
The literal Greek translation of the 2nd commandment does not say 'putting images in [lace of Him as deity'. The literal translation is 'Thou shalt have no other gods in My presence.'
Why do you think man's artistic ability in making images or icons somehow 'further glorifies Him.
If someone made a statue of Clay that looked nothing like Clay would you be pleased? Do you KNOW what Jesus looked like? And why do you feel that you need an image to 'hesp' you remember to worship God? Does He posses lso little of your heart and mind that you are always forgetting about Him?
And again you are ignoring the instructions regarding graven images. The scripture clearly says not to make unto thyself 'any graven images'. But why would you care what scripture says? You only care what the RCC says.
But someday you will give an account to God( not the magisterium) explaining why you chose to disregard His very detailed instructions.
How on Earth would Clay or anyone know if anyone actually worships Mary?

Statuary or artwork is not more "idolatry" than a protestant church or person festooned with a cross.

The Bible doesn't forbid statuary anyway. You say so yourself:

"The literal Greek translation of the 2nd commandment does not say 'putting images in [lace of Him as deity'. The literal translation is 'Thou shalt have no other gods in My presence.'"

Put the tract down and think.
4GVN

Scott City, MO

#415487 Jan 14, 2013
The Catholic Church long ago began making allowances for the idolatrous use of images by the way they reference the Ten Commandments. In the Catholic catechism and in most official Catholic documents, the first and second commandments are combined and then summarized with “I am the Lord your God. You shall not have other gods beside Me.” Suspiciously absent is what comprises the second commandment in the Protestant numbering of the Ten Commandments:“You shall not make any graven images.”

While it is understandable for “you shall not make any graven images” to be considered an aspect of “you shall not have other gods beside me,” based on the history of idolatry involving graven images throughout biblical and extra-biblical history, it seems unwise to not include “you shall not make any graven images” in every listing of the Ten Commandments. The omission seems especially suspicious in light of the fact that the Roman Catholic Church has long been accused of the idolatrous use of graven images.

There are good reasons for not using images in worship. First of all, the use of physical images to “aid” worship violates the command to worship God “in spirit and in truth”(John 4:23-24). Also, no one knows what God looks like, and John 1:18 is clear concerning this truth:“No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.” And, because God is Spirit (John 4:24a), it is irreverent to delineate Him as an iconic representation. No one alive knows what Jesus Christ looked like in the flesh, and, since there were no cameras when He walked the earth, the only description of His appearance is found in Isaiah 53:2-3, which says that He had “no stately form or majesty.”
4GVN

Scott City, MO

#415488 Jan 14, 2013
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth..........
.....
The instructions are explicitly clear, and those who love the Lord do NOT seek to find a reason to disregard such clear teaching.
Pat

Granby, CT

#415489 Jan 14, 2013
God is a dunce cap worn by dishoenst death deniers.
disciple

Temecula, CA

#415490 Jan 14, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>Ok, I think that I know that answer.
guest and the jw may not think so, but i think I know.
I think that I know where the "true church" will be and also where the cc wil be, But I dont think that they are one and the same.imo.so how could I tell him and still be civil about it?
or can a person be civil and truthful at the same time? it does present a problem, but one that God could work out
You are a smart man.

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#415491 Jan 14, 2013
Full of Love wrote:
<quoted text>
Robert,just so you know,I am not condemning her.
Just trying get her to understand.
that God has more than one name and that her insisting that we should call our Lord a certain name is not right.
Only God know's her heart.
Full of Love good friend

I can see by your writing, that you are not hostile towards Aviela and her understanding.

It is very difficult, perhaps impossible to change another person's understanding. A friendly discussion will yield a better end...

Since God is outside of Creation, God is before and after all Creation, and beyond infinity in time, the name we use as God is of little importance. Language is going to be long forgotten before Creation ends....

God's Name is beyond our language.(We cannot capture God in our concepts, and hold Him captive in our thoughts by a name we give to God. This is idolatry.) And if a person depends upon their salvation on knowing God's Name, then their salvation is beyond(based in concepts of language) as well, rather than on God....
Dan

Omaha, NE

#415492 Jan 14, 2013
4GVN wrote:
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth..........
.....
The instructions are explicitly clear, and those who love the Lord do NOT seek to find a reason to disregard such clear teaching.
As you insist on pushing the total ban on statuary for those "who love the Lord", please tell the board what you and your fellows use instead of coins for currency. Coins contain the engraved relief images of US presidents and other things, and are thus unworthy of you.

Anxious to hear what work-around solution you've found for this.

Thanks in advance.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#415493 Jan 14, 2013
4GVN wrote:
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth..........
.....
The instructions are explicitly clear, and those who love the Lord do NOT seek to find a reason to disregard such clear teaching.
On second thought, all US currency incorporates graven images; paper money employs engraved images of US presidents and other things used to print the notes.

So again, let us know how you and your fellows work around this issue.

Thanks
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#415494 Jan 14, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
The difference is that we (Catholics anyway) do not claim that God can be scientifically proven in a lab- nor has the Church ever claimed God to be anything other than the mysterious, supernatural creator of all things.
Its you guys that turn and and demand us to prove God in a science lab - when that is not even our claim.
When science proves something to be true or false they have to back it up with evidence and facts. I am sure you are aware of this. As you know we could not exist today as we are, without ongoing medical science.

..... What would a God do about that? What would a God do about asteroids that will AGAIN one day crash into our planet destroying everything as we know it, and the cycle will start all over again as it has in the past.

There is no physical evidence that there is a God. That is why it is called a belief, and science is called a work in progress that brings us truths about ourselves that we can all verify with certainty.

Since the beginning of makind people have believed in their own Gods. Thousands of them. Single Gods, double headed gods, triple headed gods/goddesses, 3 persons in one God etc. In 2013 you just happen to be in a time in our history that you believe in the God of your choice, and as time progresses Gods will disappear and other Gods will take their place, as long as people have FEAR. Fear is the main contributor of why there are Gods.

Today science will provide you clean drinking water, food, your computer, tv, automobiles, your heat and your light.

What will your God do for you today?
Pat

Granby, CT

#415495 Jan 14, 2013
Robert F wrote:
<quoted text>
Full of Love good friend
I can see by your writing, that you are not hostile towards Aviela and her understanding.
It is very difficult, perhaps impossible to change another person's understanding. A friendly discussion will yield a better end...
Since God is outside of Creation, God is before and after all Creation, and beyond infinity in time, the name we use as God is of little importance. Language is going to be long forgotten before Creation ends....
God's Name is beyond our language.(We cannot capture God in our concepts, and hold Him captive in our thoughts by a name we give to God. This is idolatry.) And if a person depends upon their salvation on knowing God's Name, then their salvation is beyond(based in concepts of language) as well, rather than on God....
God this, god that... You like all others have no knowledge of any god, whether he exists, what he does, wants, thinks or is. This proves you to be a typical theist, an amoral liar.

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