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LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#415194 Jan 13, 2013
Full of Love wrote:
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Clear His name?
No one is saying anything against The Almighty.
Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller,
>>>>The mighty God,
>>>>The everlasting Father,
>>>>The Prince of Peace.
Who is our Father?
Matthew 1:23 "The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel"--which means, "God with us."
Their is a veil over their eyes they can't is the truly; which means they are not born of the spirit of Almighty God.
It is a false doctrine taught from a young age .
To be put out of your own family for not believing the J.W. doctrine is not christian. I read about what Preston said about his sister and her son.
It really makes me appreciate my children. "THEY LOVE THEIR MOM" LOL
LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#415195 Jan 13, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
Thanks Preston.

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#415196 Jan 13, 2013
LTM read 1 peter 1:1, and see where the Jews were scattered
hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#415197 Jan 13, 2013
MICHAEL wrote:
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HOJO says.......By-the-ways---do you work for a sanitation trash company?
MICHAEL says....do you have something against sanitation department workers, they haul away all the crap that you create?
When you have become as "blinded and decensitized to the TRUTH" as you are Michael, it is easy to understand why you have become (so confused) by "mixing up" the Catholic TRUTH with the Protestant, agnostic and atheist, worthless trash and useless rubbish) with your junk National Inquirer type anti-catholic articles!!!
LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#415198 Jan 13, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
Preston, I am crying, God is so faithful thank you for this link.
My sister-in-law is Jewish the wife of my only brother.
He was buried before the sunset the day he died, his wife prepared his body washed and dressed it before the hearse came.

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#415199 Jan 13, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>then explain this verse to me.
12:14 But the woman was given the two wings of a giant eagle so that she could fly out into the wilderness, to the place God prepared for her, where she is taken care of – away from the presence of the serpent – for a time, times, and half a time.
and look closely at this verse, before you answer.
atemcowboy

Since this is part of apocolyptic writings, and is highly symbolic, and visionary, I think it would be hard to prove anything about this scripture, except anyone that follows the likes of the Hal Lindsey's interpretting our very finite views into this vast domain a vision(apocolyptic and prophetic)of scripture is very deceived, and in the end will be disillusioned from their view....

This being the case I feel obliged to say that this single verse could represent Eve, Mary, and the Church when it speaks of the woman.

Perhaps it speaks more forcefully that it is Mary within the context of the whole Chapter. First because she is the Mother of Jesus as mentioned at the beginning of the Chapter.

Another aspect. Mary as the Mother of the Church. And also as she is our Mother, she is also our sister.
God in Jesus is our Father(if you have seen me, you have seen the Father), and Jesus is also our elder brother. Thus God is Father and brother. Mary can be our Mother(note she was at the beginning of the Church in Acts at Pentecost) and sister....

It would therefore be very difficult for you to seperate the Blessed Mary out of this verse....

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#415200 Jan 13, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>the lost tribes have nothing to do with england or any other nation. a few days ago, news from Israel was that many jews were returning from other countries such as India(where I beleive Andrew was martyered) and this group was considered one of the lost tribes that were taken into captivity by Babylon. Judah, the tribe where Jesus came from from, was not taken nor was Israel. with Benjamin being joined together with Judah, which is why Paul knew what tribe that he came from.
I will see if I can dig up that news about this tribe being returned to israel
for your reference,and to answer your question.

He said He was going to make a great nation out of one,

look at my reply to You and you will see that Israel was just at that time, one of the tribes, now that nation in its entirety,is called Israel.and some day, when jesus comes back, she will see her place as a great nation

tho today, people want to use the name of the "west bank", the jews call it Juda and sammaria
disciple

Temecula, CA

#415201 Jan 13, 2013
hojo wrote:
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I'm not going to "waste my time" answering questions about the Catholic faith to "Indoctrinated Protestants" who have their minds and hearts "ingrained and duped" with anti-catholic heresy, hypocricy and hate. If you want ANY of your questions answered, go and read the Catholic Catechism (that is "if you dare) and you will find the TRUTH of what the bible (actually). You will also find the TRUE interpretation of the bible which was handed down by the Early Church Fathers in 382, 393 and 397AD, who gave you Protestants the bible, which you mis-interpret and mis-use to your own "demise and destruction"!!!
When it comes to the word of God no time is wasted.
I get it that you don't know the answer. Perhaps 8 more years of Bible study you will know the answer.
But I know this much. If you ask the same question to any "born again" you will get the same answer.
Go ahead try cowboy he has been pretty civil with you.
hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#415202 Jan 13, 2013
As brothers and sisters in Christ, December 25th and the remembrance and celebration of the birth of Jesus Christ has "rapidly come and gone", but in the Catholic Church, Christmas is an on-going spiritual celebration, remembrance, worshipping and proclaiming (each and every day) at Daily Mass celebrating ------ CHRIST'sMASS -----with the Eucharist (John 6:47-59) Jesus Christs TRUE body and blood
Clay

Minneapolis, MN

#415203 Jan 13, 2013
4GVN wrote:
QUOTE who="Clay"<quoted text>
All Marian doctrine is rooted in this fact: her Son is God made manifest. Jesus is God.
"How does that in any way define "Marion doctrine"? It does not.
Once you realize who Christ is, its easy to understand who Mary is.
Why did Christ bring His Mother into Heaven without suffering death?
ANSWER: He did not. This is just a product of roman catholic fables. Nothing in all of scripture indictates any such thing.
Why did God (Christ) make His Mother without the blemish of sin?
Because He could. If anyone of us had the ability to make our Mother that way, we would have. But we couldn't. Jesus could and He did.
ANSWER: Again your belies are based on fables with no hint of scripurat evidence. In fact with no evidence from any where.
Your beliefs are quite simply fairy tales. And your devotion and worship of Mary detracts from the all suffciency of the SAVIOUR.
Sadly, I encourage you to keep proclaiming that 'Catholics worship Mary'.
This ridiculous accusation is bringing people out of your cult and into Catholicism.
It brought myself away from your doorstep and back into the Church because I recognized the lie and thanks be to God, I knew to steer clear of you guys..
hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#415204 Jan 13, 2013
disciple wrote:
<quoted text>
When it comes to the word of God no time is wasted.
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Correct the TRUTH of the Word of God is not wasted---however 42,000+ Protestant "personal "conflicting and contradicting" (opinions) of 42,000 different "inconsistent" (so-called) truths---ARE-(definitely)--A WASTE OF TIME!!!
LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#415205 Jan 13, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>the lost tribes have nothing to do with england or any other nation. a few days ago, news from Israel was that many jews were returning from other countries such as India(where I beleive Andrew was martyered) and this group was considered one of the lost tribes that were taken into captivity by Babylon. Judah, the tribe where Jesus came from from, was not taken nor was Israel. with Benjamin being joined together with Judah, which is why Paul knew what tribe that he came from.
I will see if I can dig up that news about this tribe being returned to israel
I found this on the internet,
I can't remember the name of the guy and I closed the link

5. End-time rise and fall of Israel and Judah

" Israel" was the new name God gave the biblical patriarch Jacob in Genesis 32. The 12 tribes of Israel were descended from his 12 sons. These tribes later formed a united kingdom.

It's been almost 3,000 years since the kingdom of Israel was split in two. Ten of the 12 tribes of Israel rebelled against King Rehoboam, the son of King Solomon and grandson of King David. The Bible continued to refer to these 10 tribes as Israel while the other two tribes (Judah and Benjamin) that remained loyal to David's descendants were known as the kingdom of Judah or simply Judah.

Sometimes Israel is referred to as the northern kingdom and Judah as the southern kingdom. Dominant among the northern tribes were to be the descendants of Jacob's son Joseph through his sons Ephraim and Manasseh—prophesied by Jacob to be the chief nations of the world in the last days (Genesis 49:1
, 22-26; compare Deuteronomy 33:13-17

Cont.
LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#415206 Jan 13, 2013
Atemcowboy- cont:
).
About 200 years after the kingdom split, the northern tribes of Israel fell to Assyria and were deported by the Assyrians to the northern parts of their empire. Often referred to now as the lost tribes, they later migrated northwest across Europe, eventually settling in new homelands far from the Middle East.
The kingdom of Judah fell to Babylon more than a century after Israel's deportation, but its people were not lost to history. We know them today as the Jews.
The name Ephraim is sometimes used representatively in Scripture for the entire northern kingdom, though it can also refer solely to the descendants of Joseph's son of that name—prophesied to become a "multitude of nations" (Genesis 48:19
). Remarkably, this promise to Ephraim was fulfilled in the British Empire and Commonwealth.
Ephraim's older brother Manasseh was also prophesied to become a great nation (same verse), separating himself from the multitude of nations. This prophecy would be fulfilled in the formation, growth and dominance of the United States of America.
In a revealing prophecy regarding the United States and Britain, Jacob (Israel) said, "Let my name be named upon them" (verse 16). References to " Israel" in end-time prophecy often refer to the United States or the English-speaking countries of the British Empire or both. Sometimes " Israel" can mean all 12 tribes. We have to look at specific verses in their context to see which is meant.
"Judah," however, always refers to the Jews, the descendants of the house or kingdom of Judah. We must also understand that the modern nation called Israel is really Judah, made up of Jews.(For much more detail, download or request our free booklet The United States and Britain in Bible Prophecy .)
Understanding this critical part of biblical history will help us more fully comprehend a passage of Scripture in the book of Hosea, which is a prophecy about Ephraim (the multitude of nations—Great Britain and some of those nations that came out of her). It warns of destruction to follow the end-time ascendancy of the Israelite nations.
In Hosea 5 we read a prophecy that mentions Israel, Ephraim and Judah: "The pride of Israel testifies to his face; therefore Israel and Ephraim stumble in their iniquity; Judah also stumbles with them" (verse 5). The prophecy continues: "With their flocks and herds they shall go to seek the Lord, but they will not find Him; He has withdrawn Himself from them. They have dealt treacherously with the Lord, for they have begotten pagan children. Now a New Moon shall devour them and their heritage" (verses 6-7).
New moons occur a month apart. A new moon "devouring" them would seem to mean that Israel, Ephraim and Judah will all fall within one month.
This prophecy was not fulfilled in ancient times. As already mentioned, ancient Judah fell to Babylon more than a century after Israel fell to Assyria. Yet in the end it appears they will fall together—within one month of each other. This prophecy remains to be fulfilled.
Remember that Israel gave his name to Ephraim and Manasseh, the ancestors in turn of the British and American peoples. As Ephraim is mentioned separately in this prophecy, the reference to " Israel" must apply to the United States, which is now the more dominant of the two nations.
For two centuries prior to World War II, the roles were reversed with the multitude of nations—the British Empire—a greater power than the single nation, the United States. But today America is the greater.
"Judah" refers to the Jewish people, particularly those who now constitute the modern nation in the Middle East that calls itself Israel.
Here then is a prophecy regarding all three nations—the United States, Britain and Israel (Judah). According to this prophecy, it appears that all three will fall within the span of a month. Verse 6 shows these nations turning back to God, but finding it's too late. Because of their sins, He will let them suffer defeat and collapse.
cont
LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#415207 Jan 13, 2013
Cont---

This prophecy could not have been fulfilled until after the rise of Britain and the United States as world powers in the 19th century and the formation of the Jewish state of Israel in the 20th.
Lest the idea seem outlandish, consider that Israel and the United States are perhaps the most maligned and criticized nations on earth. Among Muslim hard-liners, America is commonly called "the great Satan" and Israel and Britain "the little Satans."
disciple

Temecula, CA

#415208 Jan 13, 2013
Clay wrote:
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Sadly, I encourage you to keep proclaiming that 'Catholics worship Mary'.
This ridiculous accusation is bringing people out of your cult and into Catholicism.
It brought myself away from your doorstep and back into the Church because I recognized the lie and thanks be to God, I knew to steer clear of you guys..
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santuario_del_Ce...
Clay

Minneapolis, MN

#415209 Jan 13, 2013
guest wrote:
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All Marian doctrine is made up by the Catholic church (more accurately the pope) and there is no basis in scripture.
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Jesus Christ said, "The Father is greater than I am." John 14:28
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Christ realized who he is and he told everyone so they would also know. If you ignore the words of Christ himself and believe the pope instead, you are believing man rather than God.
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Again, Jesus Christ said, "The Father is greater than I am." John 14:28
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Why did the pope say Mary was without sin? Christ never did. Not once.
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Jesus did not make his mother without sin.
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for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, Romans 3:23
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Clay, there has to be a standard to follow. It doesn't need to be written in stone, like the 10 commandments (which the church tried to rewrite) but there has to be a record of what Jesus said. The church has tried to rewrite what Jesus said, too.
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The church has tried to add to the Word of God to suit itself. You can't do that.
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The reason is because you get an entirely different belief system that what Christ taught. You can't do that. You have to listen to God, rather than men. You don't get to make up stuff as you go along. It isn't Christian that way. You are not following Christ, that way. You are following the pope and he is not qualified to change the Word of God.
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Don't you understand? only God is qualified to change his word.
Actually, Marian doctrine is so deep rooted in scripture, that Evangelicals can't see it. You guys barely scratch the surface of scripture. Do you guys even study the Old Testament? Do you read the writings of the men the Apostles ordained?

You need to do those things to be a serious Christian.
Right now you fail to see things cuz you're so fixed on verse chapter verse of the New Testament. Heck, you think its all that's revealed about Jesus!
That tells me you don't have a clue.
LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#415210 Jan 13, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>for your reference,and to answer your question.
He said He was going to make a great nation out of one,
look at my reply to You and you will see that Israel was just at that time, one of the tribes, now that nation in its entirety,is called Israel.and some day, when jesus comes back, she will see her place as a great nation
tho today, people want to use the name of the "west bank", the jews call it Juda and sammaria
Wow I guess I am off , I am trying to remember that guys name where I got that piece from. Maybe you will know him from his work.
disciple

Temecula, CA

#415211 Jan 13, 2013
hojo wrote:
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Correct the TRUTH of the Word of God is not wasted---however 42,000+ Protestant "personal "conflicting and contradicting" (opinions) of 42,000 different "inconsistent" (so-called) truths---ARE-(definitely)--A WASTE OF TIME!!!
You need to post the contradiction to prove your point.
But this is the route you took, I merely asked you to tell us the role of your church in tribulation time and you decided to skid all the way to your point of the ever increasing number of denominations.
Post the question to cowboy and I'll prove to you that the interpretation we have is the same.
Clay

United States

#415212 Jan 13, 2013
4GVN wrote:
QUOTE who="Clay"<quoted text>
All Marian doctrine is rooted in this fact: her Son is God made manifest. Jesus is God.
"How does that in any way define "Marion doctrine"? It does not.
Once you realize who Christ is, its easy to understand who Mary is.
Why did Christ bring His Mother into Heaven without suffering death?
ANSWER: He did not. This is just a product of roman catholic fables. Nothing in all of scripture indictates any such thing.
Why did God (Christ) make His Mother without the blemish of sin?
Because He could. If anyone of us had the ability to make our Mother that way, we would have. But we couldn't. Jesus could and He did.
ANSWER: Again your belies are based on fables with no hint of scripurat evidence. In fact with no evidence from any where.
Your beliefs are quite simply fairy tales. And your devotion and worship of Mary detracts from the all suffciency of the SAVIOUR.
Catholics on this forum have spent yrs fending off accusation after accusation. We never even sweat. Truth is awesome when you're on its side.
Every question you ask us has a pre determined answer by you. You ain't budging.
I think its fair if you start answering some of our questions. You can't just keep on your ignorant march without any accountability!

So, why does a statue of Jesus make God Jealous?

"thou shall not make unto thee any graven images... "

If that is a blanket statement by God on the use of statues, then why did He command the Jews to make statues of angels in Ex 25 : 18-20

Evidently a statue of an angel does not make Him Jealous, but a statue of Mary does???

please explain.
Clay

United States

#415213 Jan 13, 2013
disciple wrote:
I don't speak Spanish so I don't know what your link says.
Maybe you can answer this sense 4gvn won't..

Why does an image of Mary offend you?

Why does it make God Jealous?

Why did God command the Jews to make religious carvings of Angels?

Why, after billions of Catholics testify to that we don't worship statues, do you STILL accuse us of it?

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