Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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Clay

United States

#415047 Jan 12, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>lol, threw in the white towel by indic ating that she can challenge those of us who have challenged you catholics for several.
Guess what, she cant, I have already shown that she doesnt know much about the bible, and her statemnt that a 12 y/o knows more Bible than your pope is very funny. they are taught to give answers to certain questions that the unlearned person might ask. to delve deeper and she is lost.
for instance, her saying that the name jevohah was changed over 7000 times in the KJV, a fact not known by the normal novice. when in reality the correct nuumer was LESS than 7000. and in relaity, what does that prove? it is a stat, nothing more. it certainly doesnt prove that she KNOWS God, and since they dont accept Jesus as the ONLY begotten Son of God, they dont know Him either.
Karen was making mincemeat out of jw's years ago on other forums.lol just as she will do to avie. and look at PAD twice asking ehr to give him and answer and she hasnt.
WHY NOT? for one simple reason and LTM has already hit on it, PAD got her out of her comfort level and if the answer isnt in that litle black book that LTM spoke about, jw's are lost.
she aint your savior, come to embarress us with her great store of knowledge, she will twist and deceive, that is the way of the devil
STICK AROUND AND DONT RUN OFF. YOU WILL SEE
I certainly would agree with any protestant doctrine over a Jw or SDA. But you have to admit Preston,'trinity' is not explicitly found in scripture.
a true sola scripturist technically can't believe it. Am I wrong? Wouldn't it take an Earthly authority to determine such a dogma? Well, that would be outside of scripture then.
LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#415048 Jan 12, 2013
Free MInd wrote:
<quoted text>
Great link
"...... the "Statue of Liberty" is nothing more than a mammoth idol of the Hecate goddess. In Ptolemaic Alexandria and elsewhere during the Hellenistic period, she appears as a three-faced goddess associated with magic, witchcraft, and curses. Today she is claimed as a goddess of witches and in the context of Hellenic Polytheistic Reconstructionism."
"She closely parallels the Roman goddess Trivia."
That is correct Free MInd I was going to say something before but its to deep for some on here. Read up on the The Washington Monument is the most prominent structure in Washington, D.C. The 555-foot, 5-1/8" marble obelisk , There is one at the vatican and others around the world you will be surprise what you will learn about it.
Free MInd

Melbourne, FL

#415049 Jan 12, 2013

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#415050 Jan 12, 2013
ReginaM wrote:
<quoted text>
Hello, Aviela! Waving....
So what do you think about no Catholic calling you a cultist or otherwise disrespecting your beliefs??
Any thoughts about that?
looks like you are playing that card too?lol

I aint gonna agree with the devil, just like I dont agree with mike and his buddy.

The Roman Catholic Church and the Jehovah's Witnesses

1. Both the Roman Catholic Church and the Jehovah's Witnesses believe that they are the one true church.

2. The Roman Catholic Church and the Jehovah's Witnesses have one church leader. The Roman Catholic Church has the Pope whom they claim is an apostolic succession from Peter who "holds the keys to heaven". The Jehovah's Witnesses have the President who rules with an iron hand.

3. The Roman Catholic Church and the Jehovah's Witnesses believe that their baptism in necessary for salvation. The Roman Catholic Church is born again not by their faith but through water initiation into the Roman Catholic Church. The Jehovah's Witness is baptized into the organization after a period of study, knocking on doors, attending meeting and answering questions. After proving their loyalty, they are then baptized in the name of the Jehovah's Witnesses and must submit to them only.

4. The Roman Catholic Church and Jehovah's Witnesses base their salvation on a complicated system of works and deny salvation by faith alone.

5. Both Christian cults deny the Biblical view of the Atonement. The Roman Catholic church doctrine dictates that one must go to Purgatory to have his sins purged, Jesus just paved the way. The Jehovah's Witnesses are much like the Roman Catholics in their teachings. Jesus paved the way to salvation but we must earn it through our works.

6. The Roman Catholic Church claims visions and apparitions in an effort to add false doctrine. The Jehovah's Witness founder, Charles Taze Russell was considered a prophet and "the Laodicean Messenger". The Watchtower Society claims that God used angels to communicate with their organization.

7. The Roman Catholic Church and the Jehovah's Witnesses believe the Bible cannot be understood today without their interpretation.

8. The Roman Catholic Church and the Jehovah's Witnesses forbid the use of the Bible alone.

9.*The Jehovah's Witnesses used Jesuits and Roman Catholic manuscripts to aid in the translation of the New World Translation.

10. Both the Roman Catholic Church and the Jehovah's Witnesses have a history of sexual abuse and child molestation activity in their organization.

11. Both church organizations believe that leaving their church will result in eternal damnation.

12. The Roman Catholic Church and the Jehovah's Witnesses were in secret support of Hitler and the hatred for the Jews.

13. The Roman Catholic Church and the Jehovah's Witnesses base some of their doctrine on pagan traditions. For The Roman Catholic Church the traditions of a goddess, rosary, pope, relics, purgatory, transubstantiation (Egyptian sun god), praying to dead people, and idol worship are all based on paganism. The Jehovah's Witnesses included a symbol of the Egyptian sun god, the zodiac sign, and pyramidology in it's doctrinal structure and teachings.

14. The Roman Catholic Church and the Jehovah's Witnesses have changed Bible verses to teach their doctrine.

The Roman Catholic Church formed it's changes in the Vulgate:

http://www.angelfire.com/de/knowledgeoftruth/...
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#415051 Jan 12, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>I do remember what some teacher said to walter martin on a tv show once.
words to the effect it was "satanic deceitfulness" or words close to that.the jws have no one intelligent enough to cipher koine Greek into English.
I myself only know two person that are able to do translate that obselete Language into English.
one is my Pastors nephew who is a prof at a univesity in Ky and my friend Atta who teaches in a East coast university,
if you remember a few years ago when the catholic from ca wrote something to me in garbled Latin, I went onto my other forum and aksed her to transalte as I was confused because it meant two different things. she came back and gave me a correct translation and signed off with some koine Greek to me.
but I am certain that there are more than just the two that I have mentioned but none are jw's.
and there are probably more than several in the RCC.
if I remember correctly, Martin asked a jw a question in Greek and also hebrew and the jw was dumbfounded, he knew neither Language
Yea, I cannot even tell you all that is wrong with the NWT....but people insist on following it.....

The Holy Spirit has already perfectly revealed the Word of God and Christians should reject entirely JW and the Watchtower translation.
ReginaM

Jackson, NJ

#415052 Jan 12, 2013
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
Clay, I remember talking about this with you , The post you are talking about was talking about what was in Rev, about the Harlot of Babylon , is not Mary. Its your church Rev 17
You think the lady with the 12 stars above her head is MAry, its not its referring to the 12 tribes of Israel.
Nope, that's not it. Different post entirely. If you don't know what you're talking about, keep out of it.

16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are certain things hard to be understood, which the unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, to their own destruction.
LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#415053 Jan 12, 2013
Egyptian

See also: List of obelisks in Rome


Pylon of the Temple of Luxor with the remaining obelisk (of two) in front (the second is in the Place de la Concorde in Paris).

Obelisk of Pharaoh Senusret I, Al-Maalla area of Al-Matariyyah district in Heliopolis, Cairo
Obelisks were prominent in the architecture of the ancient Egyptians, who placed them in pairs at the entrance of temples. The word "obelisk" as used in English today is of Greek rather than Egyptian origin because Herodotus, the Greek traveller, was one of the first classical writers to describe the objects. A number of ancient Egyptian obelisks are known to have survived, plus the "Unfinished Obelisk" found partly hewn from its quarry at Aswan. These obelisks are now dispersed around the world, and fewer than half of them remain in Egypt.

The earliest temple obelisk still in its original position is the 20.7 m / 68 ft high 120 tons[3] red granite Obelisk of Senusret I of the XIIth Dynasty at Al-Matariyyah part of Heliopolis.[4]

The obelisk symbolized the sun god Ra, and during the brief religious reformation of Akhenaten was said to be a petrified ray of the Aten, the sundisk. It was also thought that the god existed within the structure
ReginaM

Jackson, NJ

#415054 Jan 12, 2013
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
That is correct Free MInd I was going to say something before but its to deep for some on here. Read up on the The Washington Monument is the most prominent structure in Washington, D.C. The 555-foot, 5-1/8" marble obelisk , There is one at the vatican and others around the world you will be surprise what you will learn about it.
http://saintpetersbasilica.org/Exterior/Obeli...
LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#415055 Jan 12, 2013
The Ancient Romans were strongly influenced by the obelisk form, to the extent that there are now more than twice as many obelisks standing in Rome as remain in Egypt. All fell after the Roman period except for the Vatican obelisk and were re-erected in different locations.

The tallest Egyptian obelisk is in the square in front of the Lateran Basilica in Rome at 105.6 feet tall and a weight of 455 tons.[6]

Not all the Egyptian obelisks in the Roman Empire were set up at Rome. Herod the Great imitated his Roman patrons and set up a red granite Egyptian obelisk in the hippodrome of his new city Caesarea in northern Judea. This one is about 40 feet tall and weighs about 100 tons.[7] It was discovered by archaeologists and has been re-erected at its former site.
Free MInd

Melbourne, FL

#415056 Jan 12, 2013
MICHAEL wrote:
<quoted text>
No Clay, its about those that agree with you and those that don't. When someone has a different opinion you stomp off in a hissy fit, and declare you are not coming back.
I hope you learned your lesson while your tears dried up. Any more outbursts of anger and your time out will be two weeks in your room, and your computer will locked down.
Its not a catholic world, its a world of millions of opinions, and yours is no more important than anyone elses.
Well said.

Clay needs to understand that we are only here for him.

No one wants to be a creep.
Free MInd

Melbourne, FL

#415058 Jan 12, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
I have no clue what you're talking about. Really, Free. I have on clue.
Could you answer my question: Why do you care so much about the Catholic Church and her teachings? No ones forcing you to an Catholic..
How come you don't go after Mormonism, they also think they are the true church?
I am only here for you.

If you become Mormon, I'd still be there for you.

Your faith should not require that you support creeps who use diplomatic immunity against orphans.

Now you know.
hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#415059 Jan 12, 2013
Free MInd wrote:
<quoted text>
I didn't make up, anything, that's why you are so angry.
The RCC has used diplomatic immunity several times during the latest worldwide sex abuse scandal.
You KNOW that is 100% true, but you can't even admit this well known fact.
No number of news links will stop your denial. When faith requires such obvious lies and denial, then something is wrong with that faith.
FACT -- Only creeps have anything to do with using diplomatic immunity to avoid accountability and restitution for the widespread rape of Orphans.
Hojo, this is what your faith has made you become.
Yes, a creepy little man who stands against deaf children and orphans -- who have been raped and only ask for justice.
I am proud to stand with those victims against Catholic creeps.
I am proud that my words are here for all to see.
I am proud to the called names by creeps who don't want justice for thousands of deaf children and orphans who were raped for decades.
Thank you.
This is just more of your "same old" distorted and perverted "anti-Catholic" pollution and garbage" comments that you (and other Protestants) are so "famous for"! By-the-ways---do you work for a sanitation trash company? You must. because you "sure know how" to "dig up" junk!!!

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#415057 Jan 12, 2013
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey Preston,
I can't tell you how happy that I am for your son....sounds like he is doing a wonderful job and I know that you are VERY proud of him.....
Hopefully. somewhere, he can get some MEAT....as in where's the BEEF....lol.....I love vegetables but I, too, need a little meat...
Pale skin and blue eyes....yea, they will go crazy over that combination.....you might get a daughter-in-law out of all of this....lol....
Oh my, Cathie will get over there and might not want to come back....I have always wanted to go and visit China just for a little stay....maybe one day my wife and I can do that....
I can tell that you are a PROUD Daddy....lol...
in some ways, I am very proud of him, but he has hurt a young lady that loved him very much, and one that our family had come to care very much for.

so for that reason, I call him a big dummy. a woman that loves a man is a rare jewel and not to be tossed aside, and some day, he might wish that he had listened to dad.

and bessides that, regie wanted me to have little catholic babies running around
ReginaM

Jackson, NJ

#415060 Jan 12, 2013
August 18, 2012.( Romereports.com ) Rome has more obelisks than any other city in the world. There are thirteen of these tall monuments that help make up the history of ancient Rome. One of the most well known, stands in the middle of St. Peter's Square, measuring 82 feet tall and weighing 320 tons.

This obelisk was originally made in Egypt and transported to Rome in the year 37 AD by the Emperor Caligula. He then had it placed in the Circus of Nero. The Vatican obelisk remembers the martyrdom of many saints, but in particular the martyrdom of St. Peter.

In 1586 Pope Sixtus V decided to move it in front of St. Peter's Basilica.

At the top of the obelisk, there was originally a bronze sphere, which according to medieval legend, contained the remains of Julius Caesar. However, Pope Alexander VII replaced it with a cross that sits above a star.
http://www.romereports.com/palio/the-vatican-...
Clay

United States

#415061 Jan 12, 2013
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
Clay, I remember talking about this with you , The post you are talking about was talking about what was in Rev, about the Harlot of Babylon , is not Mary. Its your church Rev 17
You think the lady with the 12 stars above her head is MAry, its not its referring to the 12 tribes of Israel.
No this was a different post.

You're saying the woman in revelation- a Queen with a crown who bore a child - is Israel?

Interesting. Could you tell me when this dogma was revealed to you and when?
I think the Apostle John was seeing the Blessed Mother in Heaven.
Also, series of miraculous appearances by her in different parts of the world seem to validate this. Guadalupe, Lourdes, Fatima and possibly Medjugorje to name a few. A careful study of those events would reveal the evidence we all are looking for..
Clay

United States

#415062 Jan 12, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>looks like you are playing that card too?lol
I aint gonna agree with the devil, just like I dont agree with mike and his buddy.
The Roman Catholic Church and the Jehovah's Witnesses
1. Both the Roman Catholic Church and the Jehovah's Witnesses believe that they are the one true church.
2. The Roman Catholic Church and the Jehovah's Witnesses have one church leader. The Roman Catholic Church has the Pope whom they claim is an apostolic succession from Peter who "holds the keys to heaven". The Jehovah's Witnesses have the President who rules with an iron hand.
3. The Roman Catholic Church and the Jehovah's Witnesses believe that their baptism in necessary for salvation. The Roman Catholic Church is born again not by their faith but through water initiation into the Roman Catholic Church. The Jehovah's Witness is baptized into the organization after a period of study, knocking on doors, attending meeting and answering questions. After proving their loyalty, they are then baptized in the name of the Jehovah's Witnesses and must submit to them only.
4. The Roman Catholic Church and Jehovah's Witnesses base their salvation on a complicated system of works and deny salvation by faith alone.
5. Both Christian cults deny the Biblical view of the Atonement. The Roman Catholic church doctrine dictates that one must go to Purgatory to have his sins purged, Jesus just paved the way. The Jehovah's Witnesses are much like the Roman Catholics in their teachings. Jesus paved the way to salvation but we must earn it through our works.
6. The Roman Catholic Church claims visions and apparitions in an effort to add false doctrine. The Jehovah's Witness founder, Charles Taze Russell was considered a prophet and "the Laodicean Messenger". The Watchtower Society claims that God used angels to communicate with their organization.
7. The Roman Catholic Church and the Jehovah's Witnesses believe the Bible cannot be understood today without their interpretation.
8. The Roman Catholic Church and the Jehovah's Witnesses forbid the use of the Bible alone.
9.*The Jehovah's Witnesses used Jesuits and Roman Catholic manuscripts to aid in the translation of the New World Translation.
10. Both the Roman Catholic Church and the Jehovah's Witnesses have a history of sexual abuse and child molestation activity in their organization.
11. Both church organizations believe that leaving their church will result in eternal damnation.
12. The Roman Catholic Church and the Jehovah's Witnesses were in secret support of Hitler and the hatred for the Jews.
13. The Roman Catholic Church and the Jehovah's Witnesses base some of their doctrine on pagan traditions. For The Roman Catholic Church the traditions of a goddess, rosary, pope, relics, purgatory, transubstantiation (Egyptian sun god), praying to dead people, and idol worship are all based on paganism. The Jehovah's Witnesses included a symbol of the Egyptian sun god, the zodiac sign, and pyramidology in it's doctrinal structure and teachings.
14. The Roman Catholic Church and the Jehovah's Witnesses have changed Bible verses to teach their doctrine.
The Roman Catholic Church formed it's changes in the Vulgate:
http://www.angelfire.com/de/knowledgeoftruth/...
Now Preston, there was more than a few falsehoods you posted above. I can't speak for the J Dubs though.
You have things misrepresented about Catholicism however.

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#415063 Jan 12, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
I certainly would agree with any protestant doctrine over a Jw or SDA. But you have to admit Preston,'trinity' is not explicitly found in scripture.
a true sola scripturist technically can't believe it. Am I wrong? Wouldn't it take an Earthly authority to determine such a dogma? Well, that would be outside of scripture then.
I disagree with your assumption that the "trinity" is not found in the Bible. of course it is.

And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.

In this verse alone, we find the "trinity" as has been stated a zillion times for those who wish to exploit our doctrine about one little word.

here we see that John talking about God sending him, and God told him that he would see the Holy Ghost fall on the Messiah and Jesus himself being Baptised and to further prove the Trinty is a true doctrine and FACT.John "hears" the voice of God speak highly of His Son.contrary to what the cult of jws think, teach and beleive.

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#415064 Jan 12, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
No this was a different post.
You're saying the woman in revelation- a Queen with a crown who bore a child - is Israel?
Interesting. Could you tell me when this dogma was revealed to you and when?
I think the Apostle John was seeing the Blessed Mother in Heaven.
Also, series of miraculous appearances by her in different parts of the world seem to validate this. Guadalupe, Lourdes, Fatima and possibly Medjugorje to name a few. A careful study of those events would reveal the evidence we all are looking for..
it isnt dogma at all, it is fact discerned by the Dream that joseph had concerning the stars which God revealed to him representing his brothers(IE: the tribes of Israel).

Mary never gave us Jesus, and to say otherwise disagrees with the word of God, you do know that dont you.

John wasnt caring one bit about mary, she was dead and gone, his concern was about what Jesus was showing him, nothing more..

what evidence are you looking for? when jesus said "it is finished", what more does a person need?

for it is written, we walk after faith, not by sight. so these alleged sightings mean absolute nothing to a Christian.

I saw Jesus in 1965, what does that mean to you.NOTHING

read again about jacobs Ladder?

it isnt about mary

For God so loved the WORLD, that he gave(see that). John 3:16
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#415065 Jan 12, 2013
Aviela wrote:
<quoted text> Read... Rev 7: 4-8
These cannot be the tribes of natural Isreal because there never was a tribe of Joseph, the tribes of Ephraim and Dan are not included in the list here, and the levites were set aside for service in connection with the temple but were not reckoned as one of the 12 tribes. See numbers 1: 4-16.)
Exodus 23:19

19 “Bring the best of the firstfruits of your soil to the house of the Lord your God.

Aren't we suppose to trust God for the rest of the harvest???

Remember "firstfruits......" refers to the first of something that will be followed by many others.

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#415066 Jan 12, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Now Preston, there was more than a few falsehoods you posted above. I can't speak for the J Dubs though.
You have things misrepresented about Catholicism however.
I posted a link, you would be disagreeing with it, not me.and feel free, I will discuss it with you. I dont mind.

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