Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#414979 Jan 12, 2013
6. Jesus Christ is the Creator
The Bible teaches that God created everything that exists, whether spiritual or material. "God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands" (Ac. 17:24). "Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created" (Rev. 4:11). "[Him] that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein..." (Rev. 10:6). Yet the Bible also teaches that Jesus Christ created everything. This can only mean that Jesus Christ is God, for only God who is uncreated has the power to create from nothing. The Bible teaches that creation from nothing was an act of the God. That explains why Genesis 1:26 says, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness." Following are some verses of Scripture which teach that Christ is the Creator.
John 1:2-3-"He [Jesus Christ] was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him and without Him nothing was made" (NKJV).
John 1:10-"He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not."
1 Corinthians 8:6-"But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him."
Colossians 1:16-17-"For by him [Jesus Christ] were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist."
Hebrews 1:2-3-"...his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power...."
Hebrews 2:10-"For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things...."
Hebrews 3:3-4-"For this man [Jesus Christ] was counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch as he who hath builded the house hath more honour than the house. For every house is builded by some man; but he that built all things is God."
LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#414980 Jan 12, 2013
7. Jesus Christ is the Judge of all mankind
The Bible teaches that on the last day of this age God will judge all men who ever lived. "Then shall the trees of the wood sing out at the presence of the LORD, because he cometh to judge the earth" (1 Chr. 16:33). "And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened...and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works" (Rev. 20:12). Only God is capable of judging all men. God is all-knowing and therefore knows every act. He is all-powerful, and therefore can carry out His punishments. He is perfectly holy and therefore can judge every sin without injustice. Only God who is moral and just in character has the authority to judge the human race. Yet the Bible teaches that Jesus Christ will judge the world. Christ Himself claimed the total authority and jurisdiction over mankind on the final day that can only belong to God. In fact, the judgment seat of God Almighty and the judgment seat of Jesus Christ are one and the same seat. Jesus said, "Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord.... And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity" (Mt. 7:22-23). The fate of each and every person rests upon Christ's decision; He has the power and authority to render sentence and to cast men into hell-an authority reserved exclusively to God. Following are some biblical references which unmistakably establish that Jesus Christ is the Judge of all mankind.
Matthew 25:31-33, 41-"When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.... Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels."
John 12:48-"He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day."
Acts 10:42-"It is He [Jesus Christ] who was ordained of God to be Judge of the living and the dead" (NKJV).
Acts 17:31-"He hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man [Jesus Christ] whom he hath ordained."
Romans 2:16-"In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ...."
Romans 14:10-12-"For we shall stand before the judgment seat of Christ. For it is written:'As I live, says the LORD [Jehovah], Every knee shall bow to Me, and every tongue shall confess to God.' So then each of us shall give account of himself to God"
cont
LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#414981 Jan 12, 2013
cont
(NKJV). This passage of Scripture not only presents Christ as Judge, but clearly teaches that on the day of judgment everyone will bow to Christ; that is, everyone will acknowledge that Christ is the LORD God. By introducing his quotation of Isaiah 45:23 with the familiar prophetic formula, "As I live, saith the LORD" (cf. Num. 14:28, Isa. 49:18, Jer. 22:24, Ezek. 5:11, Zeph. 2:9, etc.), and applying it to Christ, the Apostle Paul self-consciously and deliberately calls Christ Jehovah. Note also that at the Judgment Seat of Christ, everyone will give account of himself to God. This passage is a powerful and unmistakable statement of Christ's deity.
2 Corinthians 5:10-"For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad."
2 Timothy 4:1, 8-"...the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom.... Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing."
Hebrews 10:30-"For we know Him who said,'Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,' says the Lord. And again,'The LORD [Jehovah] will judge His people'" (NKJV).
LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#414982 Jan 12, 2013
The Bible Teaches That God the Holy Spirit, Proceeds From Both the Father and the Son (Spiration)

Matthew 3:11-"I [John the Baptist] indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire." Jesus Christ not only has the authority to baptize believers with the Holy Spirit but also to baptize unbelievers into hell-fire. While this passage technically does not deal with spiration, it shows that Christ has the authority of God: only God can send the Holy Spirit to His church.

John 15:26-"But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me."

Romans 8:9-"But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his." Here Paul equates the Spirit of God with the Spirit of Christ.

Galatians 4:6-"And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father."

Revelation 5:6-"And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth." Seven in Scripture often represents completion and perfection. The perfect Holy Spirit of God proceeds from Jesus Christ unto the whole earth.

Jesus Christ is Worshiped as God

There is probably no sin more condemned in the Bible than that of idolatry. The Bible teaches that we are to worship God alone. Why? Because only God is worthy to be worshiped. God's law says, "Thou shalt have none other gods before me.... Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them" (Dt. 5:7-9). When tempted by Satan, Christ said, "Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve" (Lk. 4:8). When the Apostle John fell in worship before one of God's mighty angels, the angel rebuked him and told him to worship God. "And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which showed me these things. Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God" (Rev. 22:8-9). When Cornelius the centurion fell in worship before the Apostle Peter, Peter clearly rejected the offer of worship: "And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him. But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man" (Ac. 10:25-26).

The contrast with the Lord Jesus Christ is startling: from His birth (Mt. 2:1-2) to His ascension (Lk. 24:51-52), Christ is openly and continuously worshiped by His disciples. Did Jesus reject this worship, as Peter and the angel did? No, Jesus openly accepted and even commended such activity. What could this mean except that "That same person who is known to history as Jesus of Nazareth existed, before He became man, from all eternity as infinite, eternal and unchangeable God" ?
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#414983 Jan 12, 2013
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>What makes no sense to me Michael,is God the Father sending his Son to live,suffer,crucified,died,and resurrected for what? If that does not come clear as to why God would send Jesus to do this,than all religion makes no sense anyway. Common sense is not always what we think,it is only common sense, that Jesus should be recognized in some way IF in fact He lived,suffered,crucifed,died,w as buried and rose again to the Glroy of His Father in Heaven.Other wise all the common sense in the world does not mean a hill of beans in light of His being what the Scriptures say,and for this many centuries we humans through faith and living proof of our lives continue to witness of His great glory.
You will never be able to get that story of the Living God,and His dear Son out of the mind of consciousness of this world,it is here to stay,and it will not die.Thousands,literally millions have died to venerate with their lives the Lord Jesus,and His claims of being the Only begotten of the Father.
Martyrs are even as we type here.In many countries people are facing torture and death for believing in Jesus,reading His Word,and teaching their children about the Love of the Father.Their blood spilt,is either in vain or it is not? I cannot deny Him,and common sense tells me to place my hope and trust in Him who gave Himself for me.It is idiocy for me to reject Him,for what? Nothing! Opinions? Atheistic rhetoric that leads to nowhere? I have peace of mind,you claim you do,but yet you are on here every day to try and prove to me apparently I lack common sense and do not have peace of mind believing in Him who gave all for me,but someday I will be with Him and see Him as He really is. I have much to look forward to.
Jews do not believe in the trinity.

..If Mary was a Jew, and practiced her faith, how could Mary remain a Jew, if Jesus was the son of God, and Jews such as Mary do not believe in sons of God?

That would make Mary a heretic of her own faith. That would also disqualify Mary as belonging to one of the jewish tribes, again Jews do not believe in sons of God.

....makes no common sense.



makes no sense.....

“The Black Mermaid”

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#414984 Jan 12, 2013
LTM, some very interesting stuff. Also, many people who think they know the bible don't even know that neither Matthew, Mark, Luke nor John did not write the books attributed to them.

“The Black Mermaid”

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#414985 Jan 12, 2013
Oh, and LTM, your posts puts into perspective my objection to any Mary devotions. ONE Mediator, bible is clear on that. I do NOT bow down to her statues.
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#414986 Jan 12, 2013
ReginaM wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, it's not what the Bible says.
"Catholics worship statues!" People still make this ridiculous claim. Because Catholics have statues in their churches, goes the accusation, they are violating God’s commandment: "You shall not make for yourself a graven image or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: you shall not bow down to them or serve them" (Ex. 20:4–5); "Alas, this people have sinned a great sin; they have made for themselves gods of gold" (Ex. 32:31).
It is right to warn people against the sin of idolatry when they are committing it. But calling Catholics idolaters because they have images of Christ and the saints is based on misunderstanding or ignorance of what the Bible says about the purpose and uses (both good and bad) of statues.
Anti-Catholic writer Loraine Boettner, in his book Roman Catholicism, makes the blanket statement, "God has forbidden the use of images in worship" (281). Yet if people were to "search the scriptures" (cf. John 5:39), they would find the opposite is true. God forbade the worship of statues, but he did not forbid the religious use of statues. Instead, he actually commanded their use in religious contexts!
Continue reading at http://www.catholic.com/tracts/do-catholics-w...
In reality, does Jesus and Mary look like the images on the statues you pray in front of? If no is your answer, why have images at all?

If someone made a statue of a man, and told you this was your father would you believe it?

Why engrain images in your mind of statues of Jesus/Mary and the saints if you know in your heart and reality (I hope) that these characters would look nothing at all of what they WOULD REALLY LOOK LIKE if they ever did exist?

The church is playing with your mind, another way of them controlling you. ITs too bad you haven't got to the level yet to say, "I am in control of my being"
LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#414987 Jan 12, 2013
ReginaM wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, it's not what the Bible says.
"Catholics worship statues!" People still make this ridiculous claim. Because Catholics have statues in their churches, goes the accusation, they are violating God’s commandment: "You shall not make for yourself a graven image or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: you shall not bow down to them or serve them" (Ex. 20:4–5); "Alas, this people have sinned a great sin; they have made for themselves gods of gold" (Ex. 32:31).
It is right to warn people against the sin of idolatry when they are committing it. But calling Catholics idolaters because they have images of Christ and the saints is based on misunderstanding or ignorance of what the Bible says about the purpose and uses (both good and bad) of statues.
Anti-Catholic writer Loraine Boettner, in his book Roman Catholicism, makes the blanket statement, "God has forbidden the use of images in worship" (281). Yet if people were to "search the scriptures" (cf. John 5:39), they would find the opposite is true. God forbade the worship of statues, but he did not forbid the religious use of statues. Instead, he actually commanded their use in religious contexts!
Continue reading at http://www.catholic.com/tracts/do-catholics-w...
You have an image you say is Christ, but do you know what Jesus looks like. You pray to Mary or an idol of her, we are to pray to God alone in the name of Jesus .
Catholic's have exalted her to a place that belongs to Christ alone.
Every statue I have seen a large form Maryand a helpless baby in her arms, making Jesus small.(Jesus is God; He is not an infant )
You don't know what Marty looks like nor what baby Jesus looks like, they are false images you are Praying to.(FALSE gods OR SHOULD I SAY goddess)
the Catholic church made idols graven images of that is suppose to represent Jesus and Mary and display them in their church and people pray and knee to them that is worshipping idols.
Which makes this comment an out and out lie Regina. You are calling Jesus a liar .

{but he did not forbid the religious use of statues. Instead, he actually commanded their use in religious contexts!}

fools rush in where wise men fear to go.
Fun Facts

Freeland, MI

#414988 Jan 12, 2013
Aviela wrote:
<quoted text> Correct me if I'm wrong why are there hail Mary prayers? No one should be praying to Mary. I'm sure you've also seen candles with Mary's face on it. How do you think God feels about worshiping his creations instead of the creator?
Honor not worship...

A recognition
You may have overlooked...

http://www.ewtn.com/library/ANSWERS/HONOMARY....

Questions?
http://avemariaradio.net/catholic-online-radi...
LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#414989 Jan 12, 2013
Sherlayne wrote:
Oh, and LTM, your posts puts into perspective my objection to any Mary devotions. ONE Mediator, bible is clear on that. I do NOT bow down to her statues.
Sharlayne, I am glad you read that, it is long and some won't take the time I am glad you did.
Mary is a dear sister in the Lord and I love her; but she would not want all the attention she knows belongs to Jesus.
I plan on having a long conversation with her when I get to Heaven, The excitement that she was carrying the Christ child in her womb must have such a wonderful joy to her.
I want to hear all she has to say and experienced for the nine months. LOL She was blessed indeed.
ReginaM

Jackson, NJ

#414990 Jan 12, 2013
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
You have an image you say is Christ, but do you know what Jesus looks like. You pray to Mary or an idol of her, we are to pray to God alone in the name of Jesus .
Catholic's have exalted her to a place that belongs to Christ alone.
Every statue I have seen a large form Maryand a helpless baby in her arms, making Jesus small.(Jesus is God; He is not an infant )
You don't know what Marty looks like nor what baby Jesus looks like, they are false images you are Praying to.(FALSE gods OR SHOULD I SAY goddess)
the Catholic church made idols graven images of that is suppose to represent Jesus and Mary and display them in their church and people pray and knee to them that is worshipping idols.
Which makes this comment an out and out lie Regina. You are calling Jesus a liar .
{but he did not forbid the religious use of statues. Instead, he actually commanded their use in religious contexts!}
fools rush in where wise men fear to go.
I know you rushed in, you always do. We should call you "Speedy" from now on.
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#414991 Jan 12, 2013
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
You have an image you say is Christ, but do you know what Jesus looks like. You pray to Mary or an idol of her, we are to pray to God alone in the name of Jesus .
Catholic's have exalted her to a place that belongs to Christ alone.
Every statue I have seen a large form Maryand a helpless baby in her arms, making Jesus small.(Jesus is God; He is not an infant )
You don't know what Marty looks like nor what baby Jesus looks like, they are false images you are Praying to.(FALSE gods OR SHOULD I SAY goddess)
the Catholic church made idols graven images of that is suppose to represent Jesus and Mary and display them in their church and people pray and knee to them that is worshipping idols.
Which makes this comment an out and out lie Regina. You are calling Jesus a liar .
{but he did not forbid the religious use of statues. Instead, he actually commanded their use in religious contexts!}
fools rush in where wise men fear to go.
Maybe you guys should clarify what bothers you. I find it hard to believe, LTM, as a Christian, you'd actually be offended by a statue of the Mother of Christ. That's bizarre on any level.

You're saying its because the statue doesn't resemble Our Lord's Mother?

As for kneeling and praying in front of the statue, I think you should re-read the ten commandments again. This time act like you're reading it for the first time. Clear the ideology from your mind.
Its clear what God was talking about.

“The Black Mermaid”

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#414992 Jan 12, 2013
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
You have an image you say is Christ, but do you know what Jesus looks like. You pray to Mary or an idol of her, we are to pray to God alone in the name of Jesus .
Catholic's have exalted her to a place that belongs to Christ alone.
Every statue I have seen a large form Maryand a helpless baby in her arms, making Jesus small.(Jesus is God; He is not an infant )
You don't know what Marty looks like nor what baby Jesus looks like, they are false images you are Praying to.(FALSE gods OR SHOULD I SAY goddess)
the Catholic church made idols graven images of that is suppose to represent Jesus and Mary and display them in their church and people pray and knee to them that is worshipping idols.
Which makes this comment an out and out lie Regina. You are calling Jesus a liar .
{but he did not forbid the religious use of statues. Instead, he actually commanded their use in religious contexts!}
fools rush in where wise men fear to go.
LTM, all Catholics will insist that Mary was physically beautiful. Christ wasn't, according to the bible (He wasn't comely to anyone except to us who loved Him.) I once suggested it was possible Mary may have had a big nose or unattractive teeth, and you should have seen the stir THAT caused here :)

But NO, they don't "worship" Mary, LOL.
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#414993 Jan 12, 2013
4GVN wrote:
<quoted text>Why then is all of the emphasis on Mary? Why do you not have statues of Jesus in every yard? Think Clay. Driving through Catholic neighborhoods one would rightly assume that the emphasis is on Mary. That Mary is the most important person. That Mary is the objest of worship and devotion. WHY is this the message being portrayed? Why is there an abnormal amount of sinful problems within the Catholic Church. Why was there a sex abuse cover-up? If you can't trust the church with the truth about the sex abuse, why would you believe that you could trust them with other matters? Why are catholic priests dieing of aids at a rate of 4 times higher than the average public.(And they take VOWS of celibacy.)
Wow. Lots of questions you have.

Maybe you could answer mine:

Why does 4gvn think God is jealous of a depiction of Mary holding Jesus?

Does 4gvn get offended by this too?

You say you are a Christian - which would be a follower of the Christ. Yet, His Mother really really bugs you. In fact, you'll go as far to say that she wasn't a virgin til her death.
I say, if she was, like all of the first 1,800 yrs of Christianity understood, then you are guilty of spreading rumors about the Blessed Mother. I would think Jesus would like to have a word with you about this someday...
ReginaM

Jackson, NJ

#414994 Jan 12, 2013
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
Sharlayne, I am glad you read that, it is long and some won't take the time I am glad you did.
Mary is a dear sister in the Lord and I love her; but she would not want all the attention she knows belongs to Jesus.
I plan on having a long conversation with her when I get to Heaven, The excitement that she was carrying the Christ child in her womb must have such a wonderful joy to her.
I want to hear all she has to say and experienced for the nine months. LOL She was blessed indeed.
43 “But who am I, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?"

Since: Nov 08

usa

#414995 Jan 12, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
When you go to the hospital next time for your treatment, remember to thank the Roman Catholic Church for the whole hospital concept.
The Church created the idea of a building constructed for the sole purpose of caring for the sick and dying.
Prior to this, people like you Jethro, were brought out to the wilderness and left to die, because people were so terrified about contacting whatever illness was affecting their loved ones.
It was hard to feel that way once they observed Catholic Priest and nuns caring for cancer victims until their last breath.
.the earliest hospitals on record was founded in Ireland, 300 B. C., by Princess Macha.(pagan hospital),, The Romans in their treatment of the sick adopted many Greek usages.Æsculapius had a temple on the island in the Tiber (291 B. C.) Catholic hospitals were segregated with separate wards for black patients.
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#414996 Jan 12, 2013
Sherlayne wrote:
<quoted text>
LTM, all Catholics will insist that Mary was physically beautiful. Christ wasn't, according to the bible (He wasn't comely to anyone except to us who loved Him.) I once suggested it was possible Mary may have had a big nose or unattractive teeth, and you should have seen the stir THAT caused here :)
But NO, they don't "worship" Mary, LOL.
Actually Sherlayne, we have seen all sorts of mud being slung at Mary by people who claim to follow her Son.
So, if you're suggesting she was ugly, it wouldn't surprise me one bit. We have heard it all! One person even called her a slut.

We Catholics will stand up and defend Our Lords Mother. We'll even go to our deaths for it. The rest of ya will giggle at the ridicule of her.

“The Black Mermaid”

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#414997 Jan 12, 2013
Sherlayne wrote:
Oh, and LTM, your posts puts into perspective my objection to any Mary devotions. ONE Mediator, bible is clear on that. I do NOT bow down to her statues.
Those nasty icons mean I SHOULD bow down to her statues? LOL

NO!

“The Black Mermaid”

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#414998 Jan 12, 2013
Look everybody! Certain (Catholics, I'm sure) do NOT believe God said there's only ONE Mediator - they know better!

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